Speaker 1: We should just start the show by bitching about other
Speaker 1: car reviewers.
Speaker 2: It'd be a fucking long episode.
Speaker 3: By the way, we're on we record it, No, we
Speaker 3: really are.
Speaker 1: I'll let that person know who were just bitching about
Speaker 1: know that they're on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2: Two, we're doing this.
Speaker 1: Gordy and Paul Marrek from car expert dot com dot au.
Speaker 3: Paul Hollywood Marrick.
Speaker 2: I should say or marriage if you don't want to
Speaker 2: a bit of something in there. Yeah, that's it. Well,
Speaker 2: you know where I'm from, and I have to be
Speaker 2: careful here because I was technically born in Serbia, but
Speaker 2: my mum is Croatian, dad is Serbian, so I'm a
Speaker 2: bit of both. So don't hate me just because I'm
Speaker 2: Serbian or love me. But yeah, if you write my
Speaker 2: name back home, it actually has like a little thing
Speaker 2: on the seat. I don't know what they call it,
Speaker 2: but it makes it pronounce it. And here's a lesson
Speaker 2: for you. If you ever see an ic, almost all
Speaker 2: the time it's an itch.
Speaker 3: So basically, you've just changed your name to fit in
Speaker 3: with the bloody I was it culture exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, my first name is is Pavle, but I
Speaker 2: changed it to Paul because I grew up in you know,
Speaker 2: this really sort of third world town and they were
Speaker 2: all Australian and it was just too hard for people
Speaker 2: to say Pavlo. So I just went with Paul and
Speaker 2: that's just been easier ever since.
Speaker 1: I've got this image of like you growing up at
Speaker 1: the start of like at the start of borat.
Speaker 3: A little babler. This is my boy, a little babla,
Speaker 3: keep away, he bade.
Speaker 2: That was pretty much what it was like. And we
Speaker 2: we fled to Australia because there was a war. So
Speaker 2: we came to Australia with nothing, and my parents were
Speaker 2: Dad had an engineering degree, Mum was an economist and
Speaker 2: dad's engineering degree was not recognized here, so he basically
Speaker 2: got on the tools at Ford and worked on the
Speaker 2: on the floor there twelve hours a day for us
Speaker 2: to have a house. So wow, Yeah, so it was
Speaker 2: it was basically starting with nothing. So here you are,
Speaker 2: and here I am.
Speaker 3: Now with you working on a mediocre podcast.
Speaker 1: So far, can we tell we should tell everyone the
Speaker 1: news that you've signed with Channel seven?
Speaker 2: Yes, so've we've signed a content partnership with Channel seven.
Speaker 2: There will be some more stuff to come that I
Speaker 2: can talk about later, but for the moment where we're
Speaker 2: going to be their automotive partner, So all of our
Speaker 2: content will start appearing on Channel seven's assets, So that's newspapers, print,
Speaker 2: digital television, all that sort of stuff. So it's exciting times.
Speaker 2: I'll be maybe we can get Koschi on or the
Speaker 2: cash Cow.
Speaker 3: Well. Yeah. The other big announcement is Paul is now
Speaker 3: officially sleeping with Jennifer Kite. Is that what happens when
Speaker 3: you're own Channel seven? Here you have to go and
Speaker 3: this is so disturbing enter through that door.
Speaker 1: This has been a big week. We are going to
Speaker 1: talk gland Cruise to three hundred in a moment. It's
Speaker 1: a bit of a fanboy car, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is huge, absolutely huge, and it's I would like
Speaker 2: confidently say it's the biggest car launcher this year simply
Speaker 2: because the land Cruiser has so much heritage, especially in Australia,
Speaker 2: especially regional Australia. If you do a drive through the
Speaker 2: center of Oz or something, you'll see seventy series two
Speaker 2: hundred series cruises all over the place. So this car
Speaker 2: is not only important for them from an engineering standpoint,
Speaker 2: but it sells in huge numbers as well, so it
Speaker 2: is it is something that they need to get right,
Speaker 2: and it's landed in the middle of a pandemic when
Speaker 2: they can't actually build them. So yeah, the time makes perfect.
Speaker 3: There's a huge demand, but you just can't get them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1: But news this week, Foxcom, who are the peeps who
Speaker 1: make the iPhone, have put together an electric monstrosity of
Speaker 1: a car.
Speaker 2: I just I just don't get this. So fox Con is,
Speaker 2: like you said, the macro iPhones, and I don't know
Speaker 2: that they have now decided to get into manufacturing cars.
Speaker 2: And I don't know whether this is on the back
Speaker 2: of Apple announcing that they wanted to do a car
Speaker 2: as well, but they've quite imaginatively. They're doing a sedan,
Speaker 2: a bus, and an suv, and the suv is going
Speaker 2: to be known as the Model C. It's like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 2: I guess if you're going to copy it, you may
Speaker 2: as well cars copy it.
Speaker 3: This is my car from Wish. This is my Tesla
Speaker 3: from Wish.
Speaker 2: What do you reckon about the design?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bus looks kind of cool, but the actual
Speaker 1: car looks well. Watching the launch video just moments ago,
Speaker 1: it looks like just a bits and pieces car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. I don't know. The Chinese manufacturers
Speaker 2: have a habit of stealing designs or very much influencing designs,
Speaker 2: and this seems to be exactly that, and it's just unimaginative.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I don't understand as well is
Speaker 2: when you're making an electric car, why does it have
Speaker 2: to look stupid? Why can't it just look like other
Speaker 2: cars on the road. I don't want to buy an
Speaker 2: electric car that looks like a science project, and I
Speaker 2: think they've just gone down the path of full science
Speaker 2: project here. In terms of the specs, though, they're talking
Speaker 2: about battery packs that range from ninety three kilo what
Speaker 2: hours to one hundred and sixteen killer what hours. These
Speaker 2: are impressive numbers because the bigger the battery, the more
Speaker 2: the range, the better the acceleration, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: The downside to that is that it adds extra weight,
Speaker 2: and the heavier it is, the less efficient that it is.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of the same as you know, if
Speaker 2: you were to build a Hyundai thirty and fitted it
Speaker 2: with a five hundred liter fuel tank instead of a
Speaker 2: forty letter fuel tank. You're getting get more range, but
Speaker 2: it weighs more and it's going to become less efficient.
Speaker 2: So I'll be interested to see how that translates in
Speaker 2: terms of performance. The other thing that kind of worries
Speaker 2: me a little bit is the wheelbase. So the wheelbase
Speaker 2: is the length between the front and the rear wheels,
Speaker 2: and the longer the wheelbase, the more accommodation you can
Speaker 2: get inside the car. They're talking about a wheelbase of
Speaker 2: up to three thousand, one hundred millimeters. To put that
Speaker 2: into context, a Hyundai Palisade, which is that giant seven
Speaker 2: seat that Jande sells, has a wheelbase of just under
Speaker 2: three meters. The Ionic five, which I'm driving at the moment,
Speaker 2: has a wheelbase of three meters and that handles not great.
Speaker 2: The reason it being that the more distance you have
Speaker 2: between the wheels, the more it feels like a coaster
Speaker 2: bus as opposed to a nice car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one. The Ionic five. I looked
Speaker 1: at it and I thought, in photos and videos and whatnot,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look as big as it actually is. But
Speaker 1: when you are there and you're in front of it,
Speaker 1: it's a big car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's huge, and the size of it again
Speaker 2: sort of put it into context. And I put some
Speaker 2: pictures on my Instagram of it next to my Model
Speaker 2: three because I drive at Tesla and and it parked
Speaker 2: in front of a Hyundai Accent, and it literally looks
Speaker 2: like the Hyundai Accent could fit in the boot of
Speaker 2: this thing. It's longer and wider than Arab four, so
Speaker 2: it's it's huge on the road. But the problem is
Speaker 2: the packaging is terrible. Like the I put my pram
Speaker 2: in the back of it, and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: kind of actually fit anything else in this boot pretty much,
Speaker 2: whereas in my Tesla, if I put the PRAM in,
Speaker 2: I can actually fit heaps of stuff around it. It's
Speaker 2: got sub floor storage, whereas the Ionic five beneath the
Speaker 2: rear floor there's a massive subwoofer. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: if we have put this somewhere in thick Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: sick but not great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should be doing a review of that car
Speaker 3: at some point.
Speaker 2: Let's do that. Definitely, we'll do that for the next episode.
Speaker 2: But do you reckon, We'll do that.
Speaker 1: We'll do that next week. Give me the rundown. Give
Speaker 1: everyone the rundown on Zuzuki, right, So.
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong. They're importing cars here and
Speaker 3: there is no entertainment system. Instead, they're tacking on kind
Speaker 3: of like a stereo head you'd buy from super cheap order.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the best way to do it, to
Speaker 2: put it. So, Suzuki has said that we're producing all
Speaker 2: these cars. The only problem is we don't have semiconductors
Speaker 2: for the head unit and the entertainment system. So the
Speaker 2: car is complete except that little bit. And I think
Speaker 2: you'd know that when you're driving around it's great to
Speaker 2: actually listen to music and have nav and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So the cars are getting to Australia
Speaker 2: without the head units. And the good news about Suzuki,
Speaker 2: they're slightly old school, which means they have what's called
Speaker 2: a double Din head unit. The double Din head unit
Speaker 2: is a very universal shaped hole that you can fit
Speaker 2: any entertainment system too. So the earlier days, you know,
Speaker 2: when we used to go to auto sell on, you
Speaker 2: would sell all of these head units that would fit
Speaker 2: in every car on the market. And today most car
Speaker 2: brands have their own designs and they don't do this
Speaker 2: type of thing. Anymore. So what Suzuki has said is okay, well,
Speaker 2: when they arrive to Australia, what we'll do is fit
Speaker 2: a nine inch Chinese sourced infotainment unit that will fit
Speaker 2: into the screen. It comes with Apple car Play and
Speaker 2: Android Auto, so it services the nav and everything that
Speaker 2: you need. And it means that we can still sell cars.
Speaker 2: And they reckon, they'll sell an additional two to three thousand, sorry,
Speaker 2: three to four thousand cars between now in March twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two just by doing this. And I know the
Speaker 2: question you're about to ask is what if they run
Speaker 2: out of semiconductors for the head units. Well, they've made
Speaker 2: sure that there are enough head units actually install into
Speaker 2: these cars. So if you look at some of the
Speaker 2: new Suzukis that are lobbying at dealerships near you, you
Speaker 2: might see something different inside the cabin. And this is
Speaker 2: the reason for it. Wow.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, there's apparently like a twelve month wait,
Speaker 3: isn't there for the Jymney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've just released a new one called the
Speaker 2: Jimney Light, which is priced at the price that the
Speaker 2: full sort of normal Jimney was when it first arrived.
Speaker 2: So Jimney is in huge demand and if you go
Speaker 2: to car sales. In fact, I'm going to do this
Speaker 2: right now while we speak. I was blown away when
Speaker 2: I actually did an order by price, because you can,
Speaker 2: you know, the Jymney is a car that everyone wants,
Speaker 2: they're ordering them, but some people are just too impatient
Speaker 2: to wait, and they'll simply just go to car sales
Speaker 2: and go, Okay, I'm just going to buy whatever I can.
Speaker 2: So if I go now sought by price, they're currently
Speaker 2: and this is for a used example with ten thousand
Speaker 2: kilometers on the clock, fifty five thousand dollars. This is
Speaker 2: a twenty six thousand dollar car. Can you believe that?
Speaker 3: It's insane, isn't it? Consumers are shelling out double the
Speaker 3: price they're paying two Jymneys for one.
Speaker 2: It is just ridiculous. So some of these are modeled,
Speaker 2: which you can understand a slightly higher price, but a
Speaker 2: lot of these are just bog standard.
Speaker 3: With ten thousand clicks on it too.
Speaker 2: That's it. It is absolutely crazy. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it does show you that Australians just have so much
Speaker 2: money at the moment. And I was saying to a
Speaker 2: mate the other day that if you look at the auctions,
Speaker 2: and there were some crazy auction results a few weeks
Speaker 2: ago in the HSV territory where they sold a VSGTSR
Speaker 2: for a million bucks. Auctions are not car dealership, so
Speaker 2: you can't go to an auction and go, can I
Speaker 2: apply for finance and I'll pay it off over three years.
Speaker 2: At an auction, they need a bank deposit in like
Speaker 2: three days, so people are actually they have cash in
Speaker 2: their bank accounts for these overpriced cars at the moment.
Speaker 2: So it just shows you how much money we were
Speaker 2: spending on holidays and traveling and all that sort of
Speaker 2: stuff that people are now just dumping into cars that
Speaker 2: they've always wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're prepared to pay crazy amounts for it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you think about it for yourself, right,
Speaker 2: I mean you haven't gone on a holiday, have you
Speaker 2: found that you have more money? Or are you like
Speaker 2: me where you just spend it because it's there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about my financial situation. Let's
Speaker 1: just say I am very poor. I basically live on
Speaker 1: a couch eating chicken wings naked.
Speaker 3: That's how I spend A pandemic.
Speaker 2: If you had to toss up at the start of
Speaker 2: the year between buying a new car and going on
Speaker 2: a holiday. I mean, I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: would opt for the holidays unless they desperately needed the
Speaker 2: new car. I mean, you think about a holiday once
Speaker 2: you have kids. They get expensive and you want to
Speaker 2: stay somewhere nice. You've got to pay for a plane seat,
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to get an extra bloody room.
Speaker 2: You could spend like ten grand or something on a
Speaker 2: trip to.
Speaker 1: BALI imagine that. Sorry, kids, no trip to dream Well.
Speaker 1: But we got a bloody Jimney. We've got to wait six.
Speaker 3: Months for that's it.
Speaker 2: It's got a bull bar, it's got fifty thousand k's
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: But we've got a Jymney I hat and the third kid,
Speaker 3: you can't fit in it.
Speaker 2: Alorry, Sorry, but you'll stand at I'm desperate to get
Speaker 2: away from what we call weather in Melbourne, which is
Speaker 2: just rain or wind or both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul needs to take off his half zip jumper.
Speaker 2: And my god, can you imagine it would be It'd
Speaker 2: be like when you turn up to a photo studio
Speaker 2: and they get the reflector out. It's like if the
Speaker 2: sun hits my body, it will just like burn everything
Speaker 2: that reflects off it.
Speaker 3: My beautiful pale blue sea through complexion. What is going
Speaker 3: on my translucent skin? It's beginning to crackle. That's how
Speaker 3: I imagine you're talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ah, the cyber truck, bloody Elon, the
Speaker 1: whole PR moves around. How Tesla functions, I feel like,
Speaker 1: is just it's a Ponzi scheme. They almost are based
Speaker 1: on promises, and when they get cash based on those promises,
Speaker 1: then they put stuff in production.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's really weird. I think that I was
Speaker 2: just thinking on the way here and even before we
Speaker 2: spoke about it. But it is a company that is
Speaker 2: driven by PR guff and it's they don't spend money
Speaker 2: on marketing. But Elon has something like sixty million followers
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and when he says something, it is the
Speaker 2: equivalent of having a six month ad campaign because so
Speaker 2: many people see it. So many of those people then
Speaker 2: tell their friends. MY main concern is, though, that a
Speaker 2: lot of what he says is just complete bullshit, and
Speaker 2: you think about things like full self driving. He said
Speaker 2: in I think it was twenty seventeen or earlier that
Speaker 2: by twenty nineteen he would have a fleet of robo
Speaker 2: taxis where they drove on their own and earned their
Speaker 2: owner's income. And what he was doing was trying to
Speaker 2: get people to pay for the full self driving upgrade,
Speaker 2: which is currently a ten thousand dollars thing in Australia,
Speaker 2: and it's called full self driving, but it's not full
Speaker 2: self driving. It's actually it's false that that name is false.
Speaker 2: And and we're seeing now the beta of this and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are uploading videos of it, and
Speaker 2: any is terrible, Like it's just not very good. Some
Speaker 2: of it is great, but then other parts of it
Speaker 2: is just shockingly bad. And it troubles me that people
Speaker 2: are allowed to drive on the road around you and
Speaker 2: I with this technology, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's scary.
Speaker 1: It kind of is. I've seen videos of people in
Speaker 1: America setting their cast to self drive and they're having
Speaker 1: a nap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've also seen a porn video, yes for research purposes,
Speaker 3: of a couple doing it and the things set on
Speaker 3: self drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, When can I borrow your Tesla? Yeah? Hey,
Speaker 2: I wasn't stupid enough to pay ten grand for that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm just weary, and it is it has a market valuation.
Speaker 2: I was going to look it up right now to
Speaker 2: see what the current market valuation is. But last time
Speaker 2: I check it, so current market cap is eight hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty four billion Australian dollars. That is insane. And
Speaker 2: this is a company that does produce that many cars
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, like to put it
Speaker 2: into context, they produce around a million cars a year,
Speaker 2: and that is across the world, all cars.
Speaker 3: That's globally Ryan globally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ford produces a million f one fifties just in
Speaker 2: the US. So I think this shows you that there
Speaker 2: is a lot of hype between behind the stock price,
Speaker 2: even stuff like when he tweets about cryptocurrencies. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm into crypto. I like sort of following it.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in it. He tweeted probably three or four
Speaker 2: months ago about an old coin called the cum rocket,
Speaker 2: and that's your middle name, isn't it it is? So
Speaker 2: cum rocket is a cryptocurrency for the porn industry and
Speaker 2: it's basically an ability for you to tip porn stars.
Speaker 2: And the second he tweeted about it, and he didn't
Speaker 2: even say the words, he just did it with emojis,
Speaker 2: so it was a rocket. And then next to it
Speaker 2: was a little squirting icon, and then there was the moon.
Speaker 2: The share price went up like by seven hundred times,
Speaker 2: and it's now completely crashed. And my concern is that
Speaker 2: mum and dad investors see something that he tweets have
Speaker 2: seen previously, where the stock price or the crypto price
Speaker 2: goes up, they'll dump their life savings into this. And
Speaker 2: doge coin is a perfect example another stock that's crashed,
Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, these are mum and dad investors.
Speaker 2: They aren't people that are the richest people in the
Speaker 2: world that can afford to lose their life savings in
Speaker 2: a hope that what you tweet is going to help them.
Speaker 3: Imagine how that conversation would go down. What the bloody
Speaker 3: ells come rocket? I don't know, but I'm investing. I'm investing,
Speaker 3: so it's like a bar I visited on the weekend.
Speaker 2: But yet that's literally what would happen. My dad bought
Speaker 2: doge coined and made like twelve grand out of it,
Speaker 2: and my dad doesn't know anything about anything, So I
Speaker 2: think that people are stupid enough to do this, And
Speaker 2: it just concerns me when it goes bad, how bad
Speaker 2: it'll go.
Speaker 3: Isn't it crazy.
Speaker 1: The fact that one guy has so much I guess
Speaker 1: pull and influence he can he can just tweet out, yeah,
Speaker 1: dogecoin is rad and it's a com rocket. It's like
Speaker 1: it's just going completely nuts, you know, and he can
Speaker 1: shit on something too, and the same thing would happen exactly.
Speaker 2: Well that's what happened with bitcoin right so again on
Speaker 2: the on the crypto discussion, he basically came out and said,
Speaker 2: Tesla will accept bitcoin. Tesla bought like two billion dollars
Speaker 2: worth of bitcoin and rode the wave up. He then
Speaker 2: came out and said because bitcoin isn't ethically mined, so
Speaker 2: it's not mine by renewable resources, they won't accept it
Speaker 2: again until it gets to fifty percent renewable. The price
Speaker 2: of bitcoin basically halved and then some based on this,
Speaker 2: and he would have then also bought more bitcoin at
Speaker 2: the bottom and rode it back up again. And he
Speaker 2: got in trouble by the SEC, which is the US
Speaker 2: sort of regulatory body that sort of governs the stock market,
Speaker 2: because he said that he was going to take Tesla private.
Speaker 2: The share price went through the roof, and they basically said, noney,
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to say that. And they find him.
Speaker 2: I think was twenty million dollars for him and Tesla. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a weird world that we live in where TV
Speaker 2: ads no longer sell cars. It's just some freakish dude
Speaker 2: that has sixty million followers on Twitter.
Speaker 3: We should talk land Cruiser three hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, the twenty twenty one twenty two land Cruiser
Speaker 1: three hundred, the first land cruiser since two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: now equipped with a three point three twin turbo V
Speaker 1: six diesel. You've got six models to choose from. Pricing
Speaker 1: starts from eighty nine thousand and nine ninety for the base,
Speaker 1: up to one hundred and thirty eight thousand and seven
Speaker 1: ninety for the top spec gr sport.
Speaker 3: Land Cruiser three hundred. Drove it yesterday? Have the paraphernalia
Speaker 3: to you prove it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a little brochure.
Speaker 3: Big shout out to Clinton's Toyota in Campbelltown for getting
Speaker 3: me in one.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I drove the Sahara.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 1: You know, the land Cruiser. I kind of grew up
Speaker 1: with them, and I associate my dad with him because
Speaker 1: he and so I'm like the land Cruisers for big boys.
Speaker 1: Who like bloody, big roads and big plates of bacon.
Speaker 1: But it really is an iconic car and fans have
Speaker 1: waited what fourteen years for this, and.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't think they're going to be disappointed at all.
Speaker 1: I think this is I mean it's a brand new car,
Speaker 1: completely brand new from the engine to the chassis to everything,
Speaker 1: and I think it's great. I think it's something the
Speaker 1: fans are gonna.
Speaker 2: Love, bloody open and look. I you know, this will
Speaker 2: paint a tail of how in demand this car is.
Speaker 2: So Basically, just before this was released in Australia, they
Speaker 2: sold a record number of two hundred series land Cruises
Speaker 2: because people were worried that it was going to go hybrid,
Speaker 2: and they sold almost three thousand units in a month
Speaker 2: of the old one at the end of production, Like
Speaker 2: car companies would dream of being able to do that
Speaker 2: to get rid of all the old stock. And that
Speaker 2: then followed onto this one. It had thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: and thousands of back orders and now they've been announced
Speaker 2: Toyota has been hit with these huge chip shortages and
Speaker 2: it's meant that production has been delayed significantly. Four Land
Speaker 2: Cruiser and in Australia again putting this into context of
Speaker 2: how limited it is. Toyota has said, Okay, we're not
Speaker 2: going to deliver any customer cars. What we're going to
Speaker 2: do is the first batch of cars, which was around
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty cars, are going to go to dealers.
Speaker 2: So dealers are going to have demo stocks so that
Speaker 2: potential customers could come in and drive it and get
Speaker 2: put onto waitlists. So for us, they had five media cars,
Speaker 2: and the media cars were all stuck in Sydney because
Speaker 2: of COVID, and I'm based in Melbourne, so what we
Speaker 2: had to do was go to a dealer and say, hey,
Speaker 2: can we borrow your car for the day so we
Speaker 2: could get a review done on it. And we struck
Speaker 2: a deal with them and they literally gave us a
Speaker 2: brand new car with five kilometers on the clock to
Speaker 2: go do some testing in this car. Is We've never
Speaker 2: seen this much demand for a car on the website
Speaker 2: and I think it is the most anticipated launcher this year.
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's on a brand new platform. So
Speaker 2: it's called the TNGA, which is the platform that's used
Speaker 2: across other New Toiter products, but this is the first
Speaker 2: body on frame version of that so it means it's
Speaker 2: the first sort of proper full ball drive version and
Speaker 2: they're learning a lot from this. It's likely to also
Speaker 2: get the hybrid diesel hybrid petrol engine that's currently in
Speaker 2: the Tundra that was just released in the States, so
Speaker 2: I think that will come eventually, but for the moment
Speaker 2: Australia will only get the V six diesel.
Speaker 1: It's great that they've extended really the entire range from
Speaker 1: the base all the way to the what would you say,
Speaker 1: at the top of the range is the GR Sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gr Sport, and just beneath that is the Sahara
Speaker 2: of ZX. I think it is in the top spie.
Speaker 3: That's the one I testrove yesterday and.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know nice, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing, I'm not used to driving big cars lately.
Speaker 1: I've been driving a lot of small cars lately, so
Speaker 1: I was a bit sort of when you're jumping in
Speaker 1: one of the very few land cruises in Australia, youah,
Speaker 1: kind of I was nervous, but it's Jesus is.
Speaker 3: A brilliant car.
Speaker 1: After five minutes you're just kind of like it's got
Speaker 1: such a presence and it's it feels tanky without feeling
Speaker 1: like a tank, if that makes sense. Like it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's a beast of a car. Yet you know
Speaker 1: it just drives really easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And look, well let's put some of that
Speaker 2: into context. So in terms of the engine that it
Speaker 2: now gets here in Australia, it's a diesel so three
Speaker 2: point three later V six twin turbo diesel two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty seven killer wats of power, seven hundred newton
Speaker 2: meters of talk and that's up twenty seven kilowatts and
Speaker 2: fifty meters over the two hundred series, which was a
Speaker 2: V eight and a bigger capacity V eight. Depending on
Speaker 2: which spec you get, you can get it with front
Speaker 2: and rear diff locks, which is pretty serious stuff. A
Speaker 2: front difflock is something you don't often see on a
Speaker 2: standard vehicle. It's often an aftermarket fitment.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, that's the COVID kicking and all the cacaine addiction.
Speaker 2: We're not sure. It's a bit of both. And as
Speaker 2: you move up the range you then get the ability
Speaker 2: to have I think it's in the Sahara. Actually the
Speaker 2: GRS Sport gets the difflocks, the Sahara gets the tors
Speaker 2: and limited slip diff which is it's kind of pointless
Speaker 2: in the diesel because it's permanent or will drive and
Speaker 2: it doesn't really make that much of a difference. But
Speaker 2: where it does make a difference is when they eventually
Speaker 2: bring the hybrids or the petrol, you will have enough
Speaker 2: power mid corner to slip a wheel and the limited
Speaker 2: slip diff will prevent that from happening. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: the stuff that I didn't love about it. So the screen,
Speaker 2: for example, as you get to the VX and above,
Speaker 2: and the VX is the one that we reviewed it
Speaker 2: at the Car Expert website. As you get to that
Speaker 2: spec you get the bigger twelve point three inch screen
Speaker 2: looks really nice and impressive, but when you pay your
Speaker 2: phone to smartphone mirror, for example, it doesn't take up
Speaker 2: the full screen.
Speaker 3: My car does the same thing, and I don't get
Speaker 3: why they do it. It's just kind of like, what
Speaker 3: are you doing? Just use the full screen?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: And generally the information they supply, like when you're in
Speaker 1: iPhone mode, for instance, the information that's on let's call
Speaker 1: it the sidebar, it's kind of pointless. Yeah, it's that's
Speaker 1: kind of like, eh, I don't really need it. I
Speaker 1: think it was I think it was climate control or
Speaker 1: something like that, that control yep, And it was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I don't need that. Just give me the
Speaker 1: full scraen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's stuff like that that I find strange. It's
Speaker 2: also on the same wheelbase, which means you don't get
Speaker 2: really that much more room. So second row is okay,
Speaker 2: but I had no toe room in the second row,
Speaker 2: which is just strange for a car this size. Even
Speaker 2: worse there was the third row. The second row seats
Speaker 2: don't slide forward, And it's like, how have you not
Speaker 2: fixed that? Because I saw you.
Speaker 1: In that you look like a little boy, just kind
Speaker 1: of off to the shops.
Speaker 2: I mean, of all the cars Toyota cells, surely the
Speaker 2: land Cruiser should be able to fit in adult And
Speaker 2: I literally had my head buried into the roof and
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like, guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's a brand new car? How have you not fixed this?
Speaker 2: So that stuff really annoys me. But outside of that,
Speaker 2: the engine has heaps of punch. It's now made it
Speaker 2: to a ten speed auto. It feels gruff, it's got
Speaker 2: a good note to it. The steering's okay, then steering
Speaker 2: is hydraulically assisted, so they still haven't moved to an
Speaker 2: ePass system. And the difference is with the EPAS system
Speaker 2: electrically assisted power steering, it's able to do lane tracing
Speaker 2: and lane assisting, whereas hydraulic can't. All it can do
Speaker 2: is pulse the brakes as you get near a line,
Speaker 2: and that stuff gets really annoying after a while, so
Speaker 2: it is a little disappointing they haven't gone to that.
Speaker 2: But look overall, I think it's a beast.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the VX is the one to get for
Speaker 1: me right in the middle all the gr sort of
Speaker 1: it's one or the other.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Sahara, it's got a obviously it's got a cult following.
Speaker 1: I think with the Sahara you get the electric tailgates
Speaker 1: in the electric said row and I mean that door.
Speaker 1: That tailgate is as light as anything. I don't even
Speaker 1: know why they bothered with such a slow electric tailgate, Like.
Speaker 2: It's just isn't that weird. I actually was quite surprised
Speaker 2: how light it is. And I don't know whether it
Speaker 2: has just really strong hydraulics on it, but I found
Speaker 2: it easy to open and close. Normal with those tailgates
Speaker 2: you need to swing off it to pull it back down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're sort of I think there's aluminum aluminium
Speaker 1: parts on this car, isn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the roof section. Normally the tailgate's made of plastic.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is out of this, but
Speaker 2: the interesting thing to not as well as they've ditched
Speaker 2: the split tailgate, so the old one used to have
Speaker 2: the section you can fold down to change your kit
Speaker 2: on or sit on at the sport or whatever. That's
Speaker 2: now gone. You can't open the glass on the rear,
Speaker 2: so that's all cost cutting stuff. Something that someone pointed
Speaker 2: out to me on Instagram that I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2: The fuel filter is located right next to the spare
Speaker 2: tire at the rear of the car, underneath it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which I just find bizarre because if you need to
Speaker 2: change that, I don't know, when it's like bogged or something,
Speaker 2: or you're in water, it's impossible to get to. And
Speaker 2: it also means you can't fit a bigger spare tire
Speaker 2: under the rear because it will hit the fuel filter.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'm hoping once they start modifying
Speaker 2: this they don't unearth all this stuff that toyotas for
Speaker 2: gotten to think about for off Roady.
Speaker 1: One thing I will say is I don't understand if
Speaker 1: you're going to pay, say, let's say, around about one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand dollars for a brand new car
Speaker 1: one you still haven't worked out wireless, Apple Car Play,
Speaker 1: Android Auto. Just just get it sorted. The people at
Speaker 1: Toyota were just telling me that they still haven't perfected
Speaker 1: the technology yet and they're still skips and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's not even their technology. It's literally Apple's technology, and
Speaker 2: it works fine in virtually every other car that has it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean like there's other other brands like, for instance, Kia,
Speaker 1: you can get it in a base model Stonach or
Speaker 1: something Stone Teacher Stonich.
Speaker 2: I see, God, my goodness, Sivich.
Speaker 3: Sorry, my Uber eats borsches have just arrived.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look I completely agree with that, and just
Speaker 2: for anyone sort of listening. In terms of pricing, the
Speaker 2: pricing kicks off now from eighty nine grand, which is
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars more. And that's for the GX and
Speaker 2: the GX literally like vinyl flaws hoos downs.
Speaker 3: They used to call it.
Speaker 1: Remember that, it was like, if you've got muddy boots
Speaker 1: or whatever, just hose down the car.
Speaker 2: Now the top speed goes all the way up one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty k The thing you point out there
Speaker 2: with the infotainment system is fascinating because the Kluger gets
Speaker 2: that infotainment system in the States, but we don't get
Speaker 2: it here in Australia, and they claimed that it was
Speaker 2: due to technical reasons. And second to that, they've now
Speaker 2: fitted it with an integrated SIM and if you roll
Speaker 2: this car over, which is highly possible if you're a
Speaker 2: little too adventurous with your off roading, it will automatically
Speaker 2: call emergency services and relay your information based on the
Speaker 2: car's GPS.
Speaker 3: Is that across the range?
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, I think it is. Yeah. So it comes
Speaker 2: with an SOS button as well, so if you are
Speaker 2: stuck somewhere and you need a systems you just hit
Speaker 2: that and then it dials it for you and does
Speaker 2: all the work. So that technology is really cool, specially
Speaker 2: if you're in the middle of nowhere like this hasn't
Speaker 2: sort of happened all that often, but you know, if
Speaker 2: you do get a flat tire, and you genuinely don't
Speaker 2: know where you are. You can obviously look it up
Speaker 2: on your phone and all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 2: it's one button push away from being able to get
Speaker 2: connected with some service to get your tire replaced or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's good technology.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought the way it gives a three D
Speaker 3: and transparent view of the tires, I mean that's that's
Speaker 3: a game changer. I mean not much help like an
Speaker 3: urban setting unless you don't want to scratch your rims.
Speaker 2: Or you're looking for kids to not run over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know if you need to run over like
Speaker 1: a politician or your mother in law or Paul. I
Speaker 1: mean it's great to kind of line up that sort
Speaker 1: of head to the guard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In terms of how this is kitted out as a
Speaker 1: four wheel drive across the range is just I reckon
Speaker 1: it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. We did some off roading in it,
Speaker 2: and the wheel articulation is great. As you move up
Speaker 2: the range you get e KDSS and KDSS is the
Speaker 2: kinetic dynamic suspension system developed by company in Western Australia
Speaker 2: and used on products globally, which is cool and What
Speaker 2: it does is it uses a set of sway bars,
Speaker 2: a hydraulic system that during cornering keeps the car nice
Speaker 2: and flat because sway bars help load up a side
Speaker 2: of a car that is sort of unloaded so that
Speaker 2: you get a more level playing field, but they're terrible
Speaker 2: off road because they prevent you getting wheel articulation. What
Speaker 2: this system does is once it detects your off road,
Speaker 2: it disconnects the sway bars, so you get that full articulation.
Speaker 2: It's still a rigid accel at the rear, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't get independent suspension like the Defender does, but it
Speaker 2: still has a heap of articulation. The traction control system
Speaker 2: is excellent. You're going to center difflock standard across the range,
Speaker 2: and then gr Sport gets front and rear diftlocks. So
Speaker 2: you really do have to go to the GRS Sport
Speaker 2: if you want serious off roading stuff. But I think
Speaker 2: anyone that is serious into their off roading will probably
Speaker 2: go and get this fitted with a whole stack of
Speaker 2: aftermarket gear to make it more capable off road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one percent that GRS Sport does look good, doesn't
Speaker 3: it it.
Speaker 2: I think it looks fantastic. It really I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just makes it sporty despite the fact it weighs
Speaker 2: two and a half tons.
Speaker 1: It's a real throwback to that sort of old school
Speaker 1: Toyota of the seventies.
Speaker 3: How they've got it written across the front. I think
Speaker 3: that looks great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've really done a good job with this. So look,
Speaker 2: I thought it was really good. It has a few
Speaker 2: issues there, but ultimately I think if you are waiting
Speaker 2: for one of these and want to join the waiting list,
Speaker 2: regardless of which speck you choose, I think you're going
Speaker 2: to be happy with it, especially if you're doing that
Speaker 2: trip around Australia. The thing that stands out to me
Speaker 2: is you've got Toyota dealers everywhere. It's a bit shit
Speaker 2: that they still have six month service intervals, but the
Speaker 2: service intervals are very cheap. They're like three hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy bucks per service, and it does mean that if
Speaker 2: you are holding onto this for a while, it won't
Speaker 2: cost you an arm and a league to run. And
Speaker 2: they've also said that if if you keep servicing it
Speaker 2: at Toyota, they'll extend your warranty up to seven years
Speaker 2: as well, so a bit of a win. Win.
Speaker 1: Now you know what we didn't do in our very
Speaker 1: first episode, Yes, we didn't do like a well that
Speaker 1: was a great episode coming up next episode, yeah, probably
Speaker 1: something better, Yeah, exactly. So the reason why we didn't
Speaker 1: do that is because we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not very good. Plain the reason.
Speaker 1: Planning meetings are usually done. As we're talking, as Paul
Speaker 1: walks into the studio. As Paul walks into the studio,
Speaker 1: he's still putting on his pants.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Probably another Jennifer Kite moment now that he's signed up
Speaker 1: to Channel seven.
Speaker 3: Shout out to.
Speaker 1: Jen, Well, you know what, I think we've decided next
Speaker 1: week we've got to talk about the Ionic five.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's definitely do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I think we need to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yep, definitely hundred percent. Now, well, if we knows what
Speaker 2: I mentioned as well, if you do want to get
Speaker 2: in touch with us, we definitely want your feedback, what
Speaker 2: do you like, what you don't like, what you don't like,
Speaker 2: And we might even do the show in English next
Speaker 2: week as well.
Speaker 1: Actually, Paul's going to do the whole thing in Czechoslovakian,
Speaker 1: a little throwback to his heritage that would be good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you want to give us some feedback,
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Speaker 3: Naked maybe we can do that. We can do that
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