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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us again. Now, it's been such

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Speaker 1: an exciting week for us, hasn't it. Yeah, we were

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Speaker 1: really thrilled to be number one on the Apple Podcast

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Speaker 1: Charts under the TV and Film category. I know it

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Speaker 1: was a bit of a surprise loading the Apple Charts

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Speaker 1: and seeing that will actually someone sent it to us,

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Speaker 1: so it was a really nice surprise though. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for everyone who did listen last week.

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Speaker 1: I love how people's mums just don't hold back like

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Speaker 1: our mum is the cutest mum out there. She's already

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Speaker 1: been known to leave rather embarrassing slashute comments under our

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Speaker 1: and she was so cute in sharing it. But it's

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Speaker 1: so funny because anytime my mum puts up a post

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Speaker 1: and refers to us, she calls us the outspoken girls,

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Speaker 1: or with our business, the hula girls, as if her

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Speaker 1: just love it. I feel like everyone's parents does this though.

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Speaker 1: Definitely well, We've also got some more exciting news this week.

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Speaker 1: We are working behind the scenes on a new project,

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Speaker 1: which is our Christmas podcast called a Very Outspoken Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, kat, I hope you're not

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Speaker 1: pretending that we have some sort of secret project. Now

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Speaker 1: now that we're like number one, we're throwing out secret projects. Definitely, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not a secret project. We have actually put a

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Speaker 1: discussion in our podcast community where we would love to

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Speaker 1: which is the most amazing Christmas tree shop I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: It was just I've literally probably spent four hours on

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Speaker 1: no harm behind the comments that she's making, but it's

432
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Speaker 1: happening time and time. I think there is harm. I

433
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: think some of the racist comments were very offensive, and

434
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 1: while she might not mean harm, I think that she's

435
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Speaker 1: got to understand that she has a platform of over

436
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: half a million people and that she is of a

437
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 1: great influence to other people. So when she's spurting all

438
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: this stupid shit, a lot of people are going to

439
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 1: be like, take her on board. I mean I could

440
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: just see so many young people seeing those photos of

441
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: Sky really tanned and thinking, oh, well, how am I

442
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: going to do that? And she's given them the instructions

443
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 1: of how to do it. Look, the only thing that

444
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: she's done quite well is she's probably put off a

445
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: lot of people from having babies like teen pregnancies, because

446
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: she does well and truly document them. That's a big

447
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: task being bums well. I think that was one good

448
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 1: thing that she did that she documented the first couple

449
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: of weeks of having a newborn and was really raw

450
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: and honest. But I do think that she needs to

451
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: get someone in her team involved in editing her work

452
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: because she just can't be trusted to put it up that.

453
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't watch them anymore. They're so boring. It's like

454
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: my house improvement. It goes for like two hours because

455
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: there's been no editing. Well, just touching back onto the

456
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: Tanning controversy, I think that what is so dangerous, as

457
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you said, was the fact that she went through this

458
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: step by step process. And I really hope that social

459
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Speaker 1: media or there's some policies in place that ban people

460
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Speaker 1: from going into detail like this. It's just like with

461
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: eating disorders and even when people talk about suicide is

462
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: banned from being able to go into this sort of

463
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: level of details that's in the media. So maybe media laws,

464
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Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, I was going to say social media

465
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: needs to take on some of these law. I did

466
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Speaker 1: have a look at social Blade, which gives you a

467
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Speaker 1: real insight into influencers social analytics, and she did lose

468
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Speaker 1: sixty five followers on Sunday. However, it seems across the

469
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Speaker 1: last two years her social media platform has stayed very steady.

470
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: She seems to just continue to gain followers, which really

471
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: surprised me.

472
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: You guys don't know what it's for yet, Roight, No,

473
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: they don't I made them guess I'm making seeing if

474
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Speaker 2: anyone can guess it, some people have.

475
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Speaker 1: Oh shure, let's get into our influencer wrap and I'm

476
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Speaker 1: going to kick this one off with a little bit

477
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: of tea that our og listeners will enjoy. So I

478
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: was having a listen to Tully Smythe's podcast now. Tylie

479
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Smith is an ex Big Brother contestant. Her podcast is

480
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Speaker 1: called Too Much Tillie, and she interviewed Shameless's old manager.

481
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: Jen Day was her best friend. Her best friend and

482
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Speaker 1: the episode for anyone who wants to check it out,

483
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Speaker 1: is called Mixing Business with Pleasure. And for those who

484
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Speaker 1: don't know, Jen runs an influencer management company which specializes

485
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Speaker 1: in managing podcast talent. And for those who haven't been

486
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: longtime listeners, we had a bit of a run in

487
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Speaker 1: with Jen after we discussed Shameless on a podcast back

488
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Speaker 1: in May. We'll link that podcast in the show notes

489
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Speaker 1: for anyone that wants to have a listen. So the

490
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Speaker 1: podcast episode was called Space for all of Us Now.

491
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Speaker 1: Jen infamously gave us a one star rating in her

492
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Speaker 1: own name after we spoke about Shameless, who she was

493
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: managing at the time, so it was a very bad

494
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: pr for everyone involved. What really piqued my interest in

495
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: this episode is that Tully asked Jen whether she had

496
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Speaker 1: any nightmare clients on her books, and she did this

497
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Speaker 1: after she introduced the fact that Jen worked with the

498
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Speaker 1: likes of Shameless, Sarah Davison, and flex Mumy. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna put in a grab of what Jen replied.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to name names, but I think the whole,

501
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: like you know, scope of the job is it's a

502
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: bit of a marriage. Like it has to work based

503
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: on personality types, and it has to be a fit

504
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: of values and core beliefs and everything.

505
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Speaker 1: So I think that if people don't.

506
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Speaker 2: Align with my personality and my values, like then maybe

507
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: it can be a bit of a nightmare pairing. And

508
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: we've had a little bit of that sometimes where it's

509
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: like cool clearly on different pages.

510
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: Let's call that a day.

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Speaker 2: And I kind of have like a no asshole policy,

512
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Speaker 2: Like life's too short to spend time working with people

513
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Speaker 2: you don't get along with. It's just not worth it.

514
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Speaker 1: Wow. She did not hold back, which is surprising considering

515
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: how high profile her clients actually are. Was surprising is

516
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: she's had two high profile podcasts which have left her recently,

517
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: so it's a bit odd for her to be making

518
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: these comments so public. Yeah. Well, for those who don't know,

519
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: this comes after Shameless parted ways with Jen in late July,

520
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: announcing that they have a new in house partnership and

521
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: sponsorship manager called Rhiannon and also hugely successful business podcasts

522
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: She's on the Money also parted ways with Jen a

523
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the year, so it is really

524
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Speaker 1: interesting that Jen would speak out that she apparently has

525
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: asshole clients and people that she doesn't want to work

526
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Speaker 1: with anymore. The timing, as you say, is very strange

527
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: considering those two high profile clients have just left her.

528
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: It seems like she's pretty dirty on them. Can I say,

529
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, knowing people in the industry, those clients are

530
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Speaker 1: not assholes. Well, it's highly unprofessional, even if you aren't

531
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: specifically naming who they are. When you've got a high

532
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: profile list of people that you work with and that

533
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: are on your website, it doesn't take a genius to

534
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: figure out who she's talking about. And I think she's

535
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: really thrown these women under the bus, because, as you say,

536
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: from all reports, they are absolutely lovely to work with.

537
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: It's very strange to alienate yourself against two of the

538
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: biggest podcasts in the country, considering how well connected those

539
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: people are. Well. I think it's also interesting to look

540
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: at the fact that she specializes in podcast talent management,

541
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Speaker 1: yet two of the largest podcasts in Australia have chosen

542
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: to part ways with her, so no wonder she's dirty

543
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: on it. And from what I've heard, Jen takes a

544
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: thirty percent cut from all of the sponsorship she brings in,

545
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: whereas most agents only take twenty percent, So you can

546
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: see why people might have left. We're not going to

547
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: go into the details about why these two podcasts left

548
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: because we don't actually know. I mean, I do find

549
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: it very interesting that she left our podcast a one

550
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: star review, which then got a lot of negative attention

551
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: to Shameless and herself, and then Shameless did make the

552
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: decision to move on, which I think was a really

553
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: clever move from them. I mean, for the record, a

554
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: bit more tea shame less actually apologize to us for

555
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: Jen's behavior, so it was pretty clear that that behavior

556
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: was gens and not their and it's not their place

557
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: to apologize for the behavior of their manager. Well, I

558
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: mean well, I mean, I suppose it is they do

559
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: employ her, but I think it was big of them

560
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: to apologize that the apology would come from Jen herself first,

561
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: and that especially like you know, you guys have your

562
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: own PR company, she has worked in PR. It's just

563
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: something that you do, even if you don't mean it. Yeah.

564
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Can I just say that I did enjoy hearing more

565
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: about her career in PR, and it was really interesting

566
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: because I think that it's clear that she is a

567
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: very intelligent person. Well, there's no doubting that she has

568
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: done amazing things and she's obviously seen a gap in

569
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: the market that she has now become really successful from it.

570
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: And I just don't call your old clients' assholes. Yeah,

571
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: maybe think it, but just don't say it on a podcast.

572
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: I think the issue is that because she was on

573
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: a podcast with Tully, who is her best friend, perhaps

574
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: they got a bit silly. You know, when you get

575
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: too comfortable and you forget this is going to be recorded,

576
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: do you know what? That's probably my second too much

577
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: Tully episode of listened to and I agree with the title.

578
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: I think it's too much Tully. I could not believe

579
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: some of the things they were saying, it's very well,

580
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: I would enjoy it like I roll your eyes kind

581
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: of enjoyment. Yeah, well, I did enjoy the I did

582
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast, and I hope you guys did enjoy

583
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: the tea that we see. We're talking about roll your

584
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: eyes kind of enjoyment. I think that that perfectly encapsulates

585
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: my feelings towards the secret project announcement that we appreciated

586
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: that we had on Friday. Wow, wasn't this underwhelming? Yeah?

587
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: So for those wondering influencer Madison Woolley and her sidekick

588
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: slash BFF Caitlin Rodriguez slash stylist, No, no, what I

589
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: was going to say, slash loft housemate. That's right and

590
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: roomy or whatever. Yeah, so they made a big announcement

591
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: that they are dropping a podcast. What I loved about

592
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: this announcement was the fact that they went out to

593
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: Sydney Harbor to celebrate the announcement before the works. Actually

594
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: you've been done. Yeah, it was quite bizarre. Madison's been

595
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: dropping some clues about her project and we all assumed

596
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: it was some sort of fashion label or styling thing

597
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: because it was all just based around a photo shoot

598
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: that the pair did together, I have to take my

599
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: hats off. They were lovely photos and it made me

600
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: think we should probably take some more professional photos. But

601
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: we are a year and a bit into our podcast.

602
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: Cool a stupid, but I actually just like producing the

603
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: podcast itself. I don't really like having photos taken. Well.

604
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: They are influencers, so we're given that they know how

605
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: to take a good photo. But unfortunately, it seemed like

606
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: they launched the photos and the fact they were doing

607
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the podcast, but there was no actual podcast to promote.

608
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: It's not even an indication of when the first episode

609
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: is dropping. I saw one person commented saying, hey, girls

610
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: really excited about the podcast. When is it coming out?

611
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: And they're like, turn notifications on it will be out soon.

612
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: When when? Because I really want to listen to it.

613
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to listen to it. It's called girl Code

614
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I'm very intrigued to hear what they'll

615
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: actually talk about because on her vlog she talks a

616
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: lot about the groceryes she's purchasing and the folk shoot

617
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: she's doing. Actually really interested to find out more about

618
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: her personality, to give a little bit of insight into

619
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: what it's apparently going to be about They said, it's

620
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: going to be navigating your twenties life, sex, dating, business

621
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: and everything in between. And I do find that odd

622
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: because we don't hear anything about Jonathan on the WOLD.

623
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what they've discovered in the

624
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: two years that they've been in the twenties. It's going

625
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: to be very interesting, isn't it. I actually I've got

626
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: a call. I think it's they're going to try and

627
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: do it like call their Daddy the US podcast. But

628
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be Caitlin that's going

629
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: to be sharing all. I feel like Caitlyn's going to

630
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: be way more interesting to listen to. She sort of

631
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: has a bit of pizzaz about it with the other

632
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: things that I don't care. Well, yeah, she's the more

633
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, she's the one with the Pigora, the grungy one. Well.

634
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Another good point that someone raised in our podcast community

635
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: is the fact that they're trying to be relatable. They're

636
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: trying to be like, yeah, let's navigate our twenties together,

637
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, are they relatable? Is someone who's got,

638
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of thousands of followers, lives in an

639
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: expensive loft. You know, no, doesn't work as experience. I

640
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear how they've navigated that, but also

641
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: rounds tough. But I would love if they actually spoke

642
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 1: about what it was like being an influencer and how

643
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: they negotiate deals and that side of business. They did

644
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: say they were talking about business, so we've really got

645
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Speaker 1: to wait and see what they talk. So don't give

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Speaker 1: them two many ideas. I feel like we've literally promoted

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Speaker 1: Madison will lose podcast. Now, well, I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot of hate listeners. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be hate listening to be honest, Yeah, well I

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Speaker 1: will be will be very interested and maybe I will

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Speaker 1: have to turn notifications on to fine out when the

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Speaker 1: first surprised Wait, wait, I do hope Madison does pick up.

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Speaker 1: I said that they should do a travel segment. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm trying not to turn my nose up at anyone's

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Speaker 1: follow account, but I am surprised that they've only gained three,

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Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy five followers when Madison has half

657
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Speaker 1: a million followers on her account? Is that because majority

658
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Speaker 1: of men? I think it's pretty reflective of her audience.

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Speaker 1: I know that she takes beautiful photos and I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are interested in looking at her

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Speaker 1: but maybe not listening to her speak. Well, I found

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Speaker 1: this next one pretty interesting. Nick Rushan, who is a

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Speaker 1: Melbourne businessman, is actually vying for the position of Lord

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Speaker 1: Mayor and he has taken the interesting route of hiring

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Speaker 1: influencers to promote his campaign. So he has got the

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Speaker 1: likes of Steph clere Smith's husband Josh Miller to help

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Speaker 1: him on his campaign trail. What did everyone think of this?

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre, isn't it? Because I suppose we've seen it

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Speaker 1: in the US election where influencers and celebrities jump on

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Speaker 1: board to promote a candidate, but I think it's the

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Speaker 1: first time we've really seen it in Australia. So I

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Speaker 1: felt a little bit uncomfortable about it, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Why did a bit of a deep dive into who

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Speaker 1: the influencers were that were engaging with Nick Russian's content,

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Speaker 1: And of course Steph clefre Smith had liked some posts

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Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers Beck and Chris Jard, Nadia Bartel, Mitchell Orville,

677
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Speaker 1: and then some Bachelor alumni including Florence tim and Cam

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Speaker 1: Cranley as well as Nick Ginopolis the wog Boy, which

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Speaker 1: was of a random one apart from him, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of very much the cool kids of

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Speaker 1: Instagram that are putting their support behind him. It kind

682
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Speaker 1: of feels like this elitist scroup people. It really does.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's we're in high school and it's

684
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Speaker 1: a popularity contest and everyone's like, oh, vote for my friend. Well.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in September, MSN reported that Nick Russian was called

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Speaker 1: upon by senior people within the Liberal Party who asked

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Speaker 1: him to run for Lord Mayor of Melbourne. So he

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Speaker 1: was approached to run. So is it the Liberal Party

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Speaker 1: who has created this idea of getting these influences or

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Speaker 1: is it because it's good marketing, Because, as you said,

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Speaker 1: Nick Russian, his wife is an influencer, so they would

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Speaker 1: know that she was very well connected. But that being said,

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Speaker 1: what I find a confusing tactic is yes, I think

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Speaker 1: it's clever to get well known people involved, but at

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Speaker 1: the same time, I think that these people only reach

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Speaker 1: a certain demographic of people, so they're very much targeted

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Speaker 1: at young people and we're kind of missing out the

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Speaker 1: older demographic who aren't going to vote for them. Well,

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Speaker 1: the whole campaign is focused on the slogan bring Back Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: And in the campaign video, Nick is driving around Melbourne

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Speaker 1: CBD and looking at all the restaurants that are closed

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Speaker 1: and leased, and he talks about how badly the coronavirus

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Speaker 1: has impacted small businesses, and of course that is a

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Speaker 1: very important thing to focus on getting those businesses back,

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Speaker 1: But it's not the only thing. That's what I'm really

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Speaker 1: confused about. I don't actually know what are his policies

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Speaker 1: or values outside the realm of small business and the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry. It's literally clubs and restaurants and hairdressing and

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Speaker 1: the gym, which I'm sorry but it seems very self

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Speaker 1: serving to him and his influencer friends. But what about

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Speaker 1: the health industry and hospitals and people's lives. Like I

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Speaker 1: understand that the lockdowns are incredibly difficult on people's mental health.

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Speaker 1: I can completely see that, especially being a small business

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Speaker 1: owner myself. I completely sympathize for those who are out

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Speaker 1: of business for so long and might not be able

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Speaker 1: to get back out there. But I don't I feel

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Speaker 1: like people's health is still paramount. Well, there's so many

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Speaker 1: different things that they need to focus on not just

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Speaker 1: small business. I suppose one thing that's going to be

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Speaker 1: really interesting to see is if influencers have an impact

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Speaker 1: in real time and real life scary then new, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's a bad the way the kids will threaten to

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Speaker 1: be you are and call your names like Briefcase Wanka.

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Speaker 1: It's not like that. No, it wasn't for me either.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the reality wrap now. The first story

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Speaker 1: that got our attention is the fact that The Apprentice

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00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: is back. I am so excited. So the Celebrity Apprentice

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Speaker 1: will be airing in twenty twenty one, which is a

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00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: bit disappointing, but still they've unveiled the cast and there

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Speaker 1: are some really great people in the cast. Not to

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Speaker 1: mention the fact that Alan Sugars, who is on the

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Speaker 1: English version of the show, will be the Boss's great

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of sad though, because Mark Boris he was

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Speaker 1: a bit of an old hotty. Oh my gosh. Well

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Speaker 1: he's got a podcast you can listen to a thing.

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Speaker 1: Alan Sugars is great. I love the UK Apprentice and

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the cast is so good. So the

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Speaker 1: Veronicas are going to be appearing. I'm wondering are they

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Speaker 1: appearing as one person because they've been listened as one person,

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Speaker 1: which I think is ridiculous. Yeah. Well so some of

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Speaker 1: the noteworthy people include Michelle Bridges, Martha from Maths, Anthony Kahlea,

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Speaker 1: and really I don't really care about all the other people,

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Speaker 1: but I'm so excited for Anthony Klea. I'm wondering because

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00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: he's been so entertaining on social media during the lockdown

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Speaker 1: that that has anything to do with the decision to

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Speaker 1: cast him. Well, this is incredible casting my Channel nine

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Speaker 1: and I feel like Channel ten should be taking note

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Speaker 1: of this because they have casted the Bachelorette series.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Talking about The Bachelor, it has been the worst rating

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00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: series in Bachelor history. Is anyone surprised? I mean, as

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: soon as I saw the ad for it, I knew

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Speaker 1: it was going to be shod Can I say? I?

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Speaker 1: Actually I watched, I caught up on it, and that

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Speaker 1: whole first episode was just like, oh, there's two of you. Yeah,

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00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: we're both competing this year, like it was the same thing. Look,

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Speaker 1: I actually, you know what, Becky and Elliet actually really

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00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: lovely girls. But I don't care. I'm just saying, yes,

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Speaker 1: they are boring. I felt so sorry for Becky throughout

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00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: that whole because everyone was just interested in Ellie and

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: it's all come out on different you know, the so

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00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: dramatic podcast and in all these different magazines basically that

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Speaker 1: no one was interested. Everyone thought apparently that Becky was

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Speaker 1: Ellie's mum. I mean, shows it, but it shows how

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Speaker 1: random in the casting. I just think this whole concept

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Speaker 1: has not been well thought out at all, at least

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand. It was like they started with one

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Speaker 1: and then there was this whole thing where they brought

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Speaker 1: out another, and then it made guys have to choose.

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Speaker 1: It's literally like who wants to go with her? Who

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: wants to go? Like it's not even excited a new

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00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: point of it. But they've even said on Life on

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Speaker 1: Cut before the episode aired that they don't fight over anyone.

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00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: They were there to both find love. It was like,

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Speaker 1: that's the only reason for you to their Fore you'd

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Speaker 1: argue if they cast the three of us and we

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Speaker 1: were single, my god, we would be fighting over probably

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Speaker 1: the same person. Oh my gosh, sorry talking about Life

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Speaker 1: on Car Bloody love that podcast. How hilarious was it that?

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Speaker 1: How hilarious was it that Ellie revealed that she did

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Speaker 1: a poo in a Chinese Well, it wasn't a takeaway,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just a pooh. She said called it a

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Speaker 1: grog bog, which I didn't realize was a thing until Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd never heard that term before. Good on it. I

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00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: actually found the whole thing hilarious. I mean, probably not

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Speaker 1: great for the most eligible woman in Australia to be

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Speaker 1: saying that she did poo in her car. We were

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Speaker 1: telling our cousins about it last night and we were

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Speaker 1: trying to work out, like the logistics of it, how

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Speaker 1: did she actually pool in the container? I actually have

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00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: to put it out there. I probably would rather poo

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00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: in my pants and poo when it containment. That was

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00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: the general consensus of this conversation that we had. Why

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Speaker 1: would you not just pool in your pet because then

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00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: you can you can throw you get out of the

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00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: car like there's you know, hopefully not a lot of message.

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: It's contained, and then you get a plastic bag and

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00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: you throw away your pants and you're underpants and you're done.

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Speaker 1: I don't know there's something about saying that you pooed

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00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: your pants, but at least there's an accident level there,

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Speaker 1: it's not you've not purposely found a container pooed in it,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that you're having to like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was trying to imagine how you know, she's had

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Speaker 1: to lift up on the car seat put the container

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Speaker 1: under like that would be worse. People like sing passes

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Speaker 1: by seeing this share what I want to put a

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Speaker 1: pole in our Facebook community. So go to Outspoken the

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Speaker 1: podcast Facebook community and we want you to vote. Is

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Speaker 1: it worse to pooh in a container in your car

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Speaker 1: or poo in your pants? Oh god, well, I think

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Speaker 1: we should probably end the podcast there. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: High that very high note. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. If you have enjoyed today's episode to be great,

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