Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners on which this
Speaker 1: episode is being recorded, the combo marry people. We pay
Speaker 1: our respects to elders past, present and emerging, and extend
Speaker 1: that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the
Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where which
Speaker 1: have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self mix
Speaker 1: soon with a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of my life running two businesses and being among Think
Speaker 1: of us as the perfect combo of brunch with your
Speaker 1: besties mixed with self development. No matter where you are
Speaker 1: in your journey, We're here to help you be curious,
Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness.
Speaker 2: If you're ready to get into.
Speaker 1: The driver's seat of your own life and stop letting
Speaker 1: life past you by, then you're in the right place.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the R and C
Speaker 1: Potty Happy Tuesday. Today we have the most amazing episode
Speaker 1: for you. I interviewed Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw
Speaker 1: from Keep It Cleaner and we chatted about their new book,
Speaker 1: You Take Care. It was so incredible chatting to these girls.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love them on social media and
Speaker 1: they just wowed me even more when I chatted to them.
Speaker 2: And I think you guys are just going to.
Speaker 1: Be obsessed with this episode. So what we chat about
Speaker 1: today is the power of vulnerability, the four major shame triggers, mum, guilt,
Speaker 1: being anti before and afters putting in an extraordinary effort.
Speaker 1: I love that we spoke about that too, major well
Speaker 1: hustle culture, and.
Speaker 2: So much more. It was honestly such a beautiful.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for you guys to hear it. But first,
Speaker 1: a Tear, what is your weekly recommendation.
Speaker 3: Because we do it on Tuesday now, I have to ah, sure,
Speaker 3: so number one is Georgie's collection?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 5: You can have to.
Speaker 3: Honestly be best pre workout and proteins labor. And I, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm nagging every day to get this restocked, and she
Speaker 3: keeps yelling at me, so I don't think it's happening.
Speaker 5: Every time I.
Speaker 1: Walk into the podcast room, A Tear just looks over
Speaker 1: at me and it's like, surely you're restocking, like you
Speaker 1: have to shit, because like you know, they ask about
Speaker 1: like how the launchment and the sales and you know
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And then A Tear is like, well, sure you can see,
Speaker 2: surely you're restocking.
Speaker 1: If that's flavor, I'm like, no, a tear hashtag integrity.
Speaker 2: No, trust me, guys.
Speaker 1: We have so much fun stuff in the pipelines for
Speaker 1: and h it's just it's not on the calendar and
Speaker 1: it is. It's like, if I tell you, guys that's
Speaker 1: limited edition, it has to be into edition, which I respect. Yes, upset,
Speaker 1: but respect upset.
Speaker 2: And it's also.
Speaker 1: Fun because it's like, these flavors come out and they're special,
Speaker 1: and it's going to remind you about this time you've
Speaker 1: your life so stuck up you can reminisce about this
Speaker 1: the time. And also just an fyi, it's over halfway
Speaker 1: sold out a tear, So if you know the RNC community,
Speaker 1: do you want to stock up?
Speaker 2: Just letting you know, now's the time, we'll put a
Speaker 2: link in a deal. Will put her affiliate link. Not
Speaker 2: even joking, guys, I don't have an affiliate Just sure tea.
Speaker 2: I'm sure will be interested. I better I be interested
Speaker 2: to see what the back ends tears like. Just use
Speaker 2: this link the fifteen t fifteen I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: What's your other recommendation?
Speaker 3: Vine my second recommendation. I saw this TikTok and I
Speaker 3: will pop that link in the show notes for the TikTok,
Speaker 3: But it has days to add to your calendar each month,
Speaker 3: and I thought, since it's the first of or just
Speaker 3: past the first of the month, this would be the
Speaker 3: perfect time to bring it up. So one whole spa day,
Speaker 3: one day without socials, one day spent outdoors, one day
Speaker 3: with friends to check up on them, one movie night
Speaker 3: or dinner party, one day spent being a tourist in
Speaker 3: neighborhood cities, one day entirely to help someone else, one
Speaker 3: day to learn something new even if it's not directly
Speaker 3: beneficial to your life. And one me day dedicated to
Speaker 3: doing things that keep my energy healthy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think just trying to put things like
Speaker 3: that into your month, but even trying to get half
Speaker 3: of them in, just so you have some variety and
Speaker 3: you're actually feeding all those buckets or feeding all your cups,
Speaker 3: filling your cup.
Speaker 2: That's my recommendation. I love that. My recommendation is my
Speaker 2: monthly intentions.
Speaker 1: So I actually put this on Instagram already, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to like explain them a bit more because I
Speaker 1: really like them this month and they were like made
Speaker 1: very intentionally, but the vibe for the month. So first one,
Speaker 1: give myself the generous interpretation I give others. I'm doing
Speaker 1: this new thing where I'm giving everyone the and I've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a couple of months now, the
Speaker 1: most generous interpretation of For example, if you know, a
Speaker 1: tea says she's sick, I'm not going to be.
Speaker 2: Like she's just trying to get out of work or like.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you can go to those low vibe thoughts.
Speaker 1: It's almost the natural human thing to go to the
Speaker 1: low vibe thoughts because it's a protection mechanism. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you don't get like fooled all that sort of you're prepared,
Speaker 1: you're prepared. But I have been really leaning into this
Speaker 1: concept of being over generous with everyone in regards to
Speaker 1: you know, for example, me and Tim had to fight
Speaker 1: the other night, and a conversation, not a fight, and
Speaker 1: it's like I said to him, like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: believe that you had the best intentions.
Speaker 2: But I'm just bringing this up so we can get
Speaker 2: clear on our boundaries, but like love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like making like really not going to the
Speaker 1: most loath vibe thought. And I've been doing that for
Speaker 1: a couple of months and it has been incredible just
Speaker 1: for me personally. But I realize I do it to
Speaker 1: everyone else, but not to myself, So I go straight
Speaker 1: to the low vibe. Oh you know, you know, the
Speaker 1: shame or guild of you should have worked out, or
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Said that, or you know, just the stories in your head.
Speaker 1: And even though I'm getting better, So this month, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very overgenerous with myself.
Speaker 3: I love that so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the first one.
Speaker 1: I'll second one, intentionally take time to celebrate myself. So,
Speaker 1: you know, had some really big exciting things happened, and
Speaker 1: I just I don't, I don't celebrate myself. But I'm
Speaker 1: like being really okay, No, I'm gonna celebrate myself. I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, take myself to dinner or buy myself something
Speaker 1: or even just sit in the feeling of celebrating myself
Speaker 1: and not getting it from other people. Yes, so usually
Speaker 1: try and get it from other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next one, my boundaries don't have to make sense
Speaker 1: to others. I'm working on my boundary so much right now.
Speaker 1: You guys watch out, And a huge thing is like
Speaker 1: they don't have to make complete sense to others, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have to then explain them and try and
Speaker 1: make them sense to others. It's like, I just get
Speaker 1: to do what's best for me. And the next one,
Speaker 1: stop pretending I don't know the answer. So we went
Speaker 1: through this the other day a tear when I was
Speaker 1: picking someone new for the team, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I know the answer, Like stop trying to go around
Speaker 1: in circles or like pretend. It's like no, I get
Speaker 1: to actually just know the answer. I get to tap
Speaker 1: into my intuition. And I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: time we poll other people or we think that we
Speaker 1: can't go straight to the answer because it's just not.
Speaker 2: What we usually do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm like, now you stop pretending, George, you
Speaker 1: know the answer. I love that, And even that sentence,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, of course they do.
Speaker 2: So that's the cool thing I'm leaning into.
Speaker 1: And then the last one knowing like my truest expression
Speaker 1: is always the way, And that was just really solidified
Speaker 1: recently in the NH event, because the whole event was
Speaker 1: about the seven Rules for being Your Best Friend, which
Speaker 1: has really come from my self development journey.
Speaker 2: The last couple of months.
Speaker 1: And you know, that was and h's biggest launch and
Speaker 1: it did so well. And it's like it was me
Speaker 1: just being me and really locking in who I am
Speaker 1: and expressing that. And I think sometimes like I forget that.
Speaker 1: It's like things get to be you know, when you
Speaker 1: lock into your authenticity and when you lock into yourself,
Speaker 1: like things get.
Speaker 2: To be really amazing.
Speaker 1: And that was such a cool moment to be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that that is so true, Like when I
Speaker 1: lock into me, it gets.
Speaker 2: To be really incredible.
Speaker 5: I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then my monthly intentions I wanted to explain just
Speaker 1: because the Instagram post was a bit vague, but I
Speaker 1: always tell you guys everything, and I really encourage you
Speaker 1: guys to sit down and write some intentions. I love
Speaker 1: that you brought that in a tier two because it's
Speaker 1: like that's so cool that it's like, let's actually just
Speaker 1: be intentional.
Speaker 2: With the month.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just take this intro and get your notebook
Speaker 3: out and add all this stuff into.
Speaker 2: Your your month. I love it. And then get ready
Speaker 2: for the best episode.
Speaker 5: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1: So excited to have you back on the show, Laura
Speaker 1: and Steph, so excited to have you on the show
Speaker 1: for the first time.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: It's so nice to finally meet you. And yeah, to
Speaker 4: come on the show with big fans and.
Speaker 2: Guys, this is incredible, so incredible.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You should be so proud.
Speaker 1: Me my producer have both read it and are obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, and it's just.
Speaker 2: So so beautiful.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say it be congratulations because
Speaker 1: I could definitely understand that.
Speaker 2: You know, birthing a book is a huge, huge thing.
Speaker 1: So you guys, yeah, it's it's really really something to
Speaker 1: be proud of.
Speaker 6: Oh that seriously means so much. Thank you.
Speaker 7: We yeah, we really appreciate it. I think when you
Speaker 7: write a book, it's it's such an interesting process because
Speaker 7: you know, it takes such a long time and you
Speaker 7: write it almost like a year and a half before
Speaker 7: it comes out, and so and we signed off and
Speaker 7: it would have been around August last year was the
Speaker 7: last time, like it off it went, and so then
Speaker 7: there's this grating period of like, oh my goodness, it's done.
Speaker 7: We can't do anything to it, we can't change it
Speaker 7: like it is. It is what it is, right, and
Speaker 7: then it's when it comes out to the world, it's
Speaker 7: like will it be received, you know the way that
Speaker 7: we hope so to hear that feedback is so special,
Speaker 7: So thank you so so much.
Speaker 1: No, No, of course, yeah, I think that would be
Speaker 1: super interesting because especially like these days, you know, we
Speaker 1: put something out on the Internet and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like that instant gratification and that instant response, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of you know, like see that response and
Speaker 1: then you know, tweak things and be able to go
Speaker 1: from there. Bit like a book, it's such like a
Speaker 1: physical it's set, it's done things. So I can imagine
Speaker 1: there being like a bit of like anticipation for that.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of anticipation.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I love that the book is
Speaker 1: like it's split into three parts, so I know it's
Speaker 1: like mind, body, and connection. And I absolutely love the
Speaker 1: beginning of the book where you speak about the fact
Speaker 1: that health and wellness go beyond sleeping well, eating nutritious foods,
Speaker 1: exercising and meditating, and you really wanted to offer a deeper,
Speaker 1: holistic support in the book. So I'm wondering, like, what
Speaker 1: motivated you to include such a wide variety of topics
Speaker 1: in the book, And why do you think it's important
Speaker 1: to take that, you know, perspective when it comes to
Speaker 1: our health, because you know that's what you guys are about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: I think for us, like a lot of the inspiration
Speaker 4: actually comes from the community, the communication between our community,
Speaker 4: So all of the conversations that we see going on
Speaker 4: there and wanting to find confidence in applying for a
Speaker 4: new job or needing relationship advice. There's so many different
Speaker 4: topics that come up in that community because they all
Speaker 4: understand that like having that connection with one another and
Speaker 4: that support is definitely a huge aspect to their mental health,
Speaker 4: which you know, overall is such a huge part of
Speaker 4: our health overall. So I think as you go through
Speaker 4: your twenties, you realize that there is so much more
Speaker 4: to your health than sleep, you know, sleeping well, eating
Speaker 4: nutritious foods, and exercising. I know at times in my
Speaker 4: life where I've been able to truly prioritize exercise, you know,
Speaker 4: eat really really well and not necessarily have any trouble sleeping.
Speaker 4: There still could be something going on that is making
Speaker 4: me mentally unwell or really unhappy. Might be financial stress,
Speaker 4: It might be something going on with family and a
Speaker 4: connection of mine, And so you realize that there is
Speaker 4: just so many other pillars I suppose that come to
Speaker 4: our overall health, and they're all just as important, and
Speaker 4: it differs from person to person. So that's why we're
Speaker 4: wanting to cover so much in the book, because they've
Speaker 4: come from our lived experiences, our conversations on the podcast,
Speaker 4: talking to the community members, and then also obviously getting
Speaker 4: experts to contribute to the book was super special as well.
Speaker 4: But I think for us it was like, if someone
Speaker 4: can read this book front to back and relate to
Speaker 4: some things, they might be able to relate.
Speaker 6: To a lot of it.
Speaker 4: They might be able to relate to certain chapters or
Speaker 4: certain topics, But if they can kind of doggy tag
Speaker 4: the corner or highlight it and come back to things,
Speaker 4: I think that's what's really special to us. I know
Speaker 4: I will be revisiting this book like both in my
Speaker 4: own writing, almost like a journal of my own, but
Speaker 4: also the chapters that really inspired me kind of even
Speaker 4: get through the writing process. Some of the chapters that
Speaker 4: Laura to I found truly inspiring. So I think it's
Speaker 4: just going to be one of those really cool books
Speaker 4: that has the touches on basically anything to help someone
Speaker 4: find their feel good.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. And it was it was
Speaker 1: so insightful because You're so right. There was parts where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I can resonate. It's
Speaker 1: actually funny. There was quite a few parts where I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm literally processing that right now. And
Speaker 1: then there was parts where I was like, that's just
Speaker 1: really insightful to know what someone else could be going through,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm in my twenties and I feel
Speaker 1: like this is really the part where I'm like not
Speaker 1: only finding out about, you know, my problems and what
Speaker 1: I'm processing, but also what other people are too.
Speaker 2: And I just love that you encompass that in the book.
Speaker 6: Thank you. That means that means so much.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that like something that I was I'm
Speaker 1: currently really diving into at the moment, and so I
Speaker 1: love that in it was in the book was vulnerability.
Speaker 2: So in the book, I love that.
Speaker 1: You kind of explain that, you know, there's so much
Speaker 1: power in being vulnerable. But it doesn't necessarily mean revealing
Speaker 1: all our deeper, darker secrets. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: why you think there's a hidden power in being vulnerable
Speaker 1: and if you have any tips for the R and
Speaker 1: C community on how it can be a bit more vulnerable,
Speaker 1: because it is hard because you're like, what do I
Speaker 1: just tell her on my whole life?
Speaker 2: Or you know, how do I not emotionally dump on everyone?
Speaker 2: Like what is this about?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent? And I think it's vulnerability too.
Speaker 7: I think I think it's amazing that publicly people are
Speaker 7: having a lot more i suppose, quote unquote vulnerable conversations
Speaker 7: than before in open conversations. But I think there's some
Speaker 7: whys it have been cross in terms of vulnerability. And
Speaker 7: this is why I really love Brene Brown's work that
Speaker 7: she has done on vulnerability, because for a lot of people,
Speaker 7: I think they might think that in order to be vulnerable,
Speaker 7: they have to you know, get on a microphone or
Speaker 7: yell from the rooftops, you know, their biggest secret, as
Speaker 7: you said, or something that they're really going through. That's
Speaker 7: really hard, and I think it's really important that to
Speaker 7: acknowledge that that's actually not essentially vulnerability. So if I
Speaker 7: were to come on the podcast and reveals I'm trying
Speaker 7: to think of an example, just saying I've had an
Speaker 7: argument with my sister, just as an example. And if
Speaker 7: I get on the podcast and speak openly about this
Speaker 7: argument with my sister and how I feel instead of
Speaker 7: going to my sister and talking to her, that's not vulnerability.
Speaker 6: Even though the podcast goes out to you know, tens.
Speaker 7: Of thousands of people, it's about going into So I
Speaker 7: think it's important to listen for any or to remember
Speaker 7: for anyone listening that you know might not have a
Speaker 7: platform or on Instagram or whatever, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 7: you can't be vulnerable. And so the way that we
Speaker 7: explore it in the book is is, you know, it's
Speaker 7: applying for a job when you don't know if you're
Speaker 7: going to get it. It's telling someone that you love
Speaker 7: them when you don't know if they're going to say
Speaker 7: it back. It's apologizing for something that you know you
Speaker 7: did and you you did wrong and you want to
Speaker 7: make it right.
Speaker 6: And knowing that when you go and when you go.
Speaker 7: And say to your friend or for example, with my sister,
Speaker 7: in that example, when I go and say to my sister.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm really sorry for what I did. I'm really
Speaker 6: I've hurt you.
Speaker 7: That is confronting to do that, right like that, that's
Speaker 7: vulnerability because I don't know how she's going to react.
Speaker 7: But I think it is really really important. It's also
Speaker 7: you know, saying like it's something that Steph and I
Speaker 7: do in our leadership all the time at kick is
Speaker 7: with our team, we don't lead in a way that
Speaker 7: we know everything.
Speaker 6: We're very comfortable, you know, we don't know everything. We
Speaker 6: don't know the.
Speaker 7: Answer to this, like let's find it out together. We
Speaker 7: also don't always get it right. And I think that's
Speaker 7: really really important to talk about it. And I think
Speaker 7: one of the biggest powers is vulnerability, especially in terms
Speaker 7: of social media, and something that's really important to Steph
Speaker 7: and and I know you do it so well as well,
Speaker 7: is wanting people to realize that I think if we
Speaker 7: kind of position ourselves as these perfect quote unquote people
Speaker 7: that you know, never have any hard times and then
Speaker 7: never go through anything tough and never feel uncomfortable or
Speaker 7: about conversations or never get anything wrong, that's really not
Speaker 7: doing everyone that follows us and our community that it's
Speaker 7: doing them.
Speaker 6: A disservice because that's not true.
Speaker 7: And I think if we can show that, people that
Speaker 7: you know might look to us and think that, I
Speaker 7: mean people do look at look at us everyone and
Speaker 7: maybe say, oh, you're successful. And but I think it's
Speaker 7: really really important to speak about the fact that you
Speaker 7: don't want your the people that follow you to think that, oh, no,
Speaker 7: they're successful because they're perfect and I'm not like them
Speaker 7: and they don't go through all these hard things and
Speaker 7: they get everything right, because it's kind of then setting
Speaker 7: up setting them up to not believe that they can
Speaker 7: do it. And that's absolutely not the case at all,
Speaker 7: Like we get so many things wrong and that's okay.
Speaker 6: It's just so important. There's so much power in talking
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 7: And I think too, it's how you establish real connection
Speaker 7: with absolutely and that's special.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I think going back to your point on leadership, I mean,
Speaker 4: with our team, it's for us, vulnerability is not a
Speaker 4: weakness and being able to be open to the team
Speaker 4: about something that we might even be struggling through or
Speaker 4: not trying to like hide. You know, obviously we're not
Speaker 4: going to show all of.
Speaker 6: That all the time. We don't you know there's a
Speaker 6: lot that goes on.
Speaker 8: You don't want to emotion a damn people trying to
Speaker 8: find that balancing the balance right, But it's so you
Speaker 8: want to create a space where I mean, I would
Speaker 8: hope that anyone in our team would feel comfortable enough
Speaker 8: to say, hey, I'm not feeling okay today.
Speaker 4: They don't necessarily have to go into what's going on
Speaker 4: in their life, but to feel comfortable in being open.
Speaker 4: And I think the more that you have these conversations,
Speaker 4: less taboo they become, and more and more people feel
Speaker 4: comfortable to be open. And for me, when I'm struggling
Speaker 4: through anything mentally, I know for sure it's when I
Speaker 4: don't open up about it. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 4: to everyone could just beat a Laura, could just be
Speaker 4: a Josh. But I know when I bottle it up
Speaker 4: and I don't think it through or talk it through
Speaker 4: with anyone else, it it just gets to boiling point
Speaker 4: and it just gets worse and worse and worse until
Speaker 4: I implode.
Speaker 2: That's so true.
Speaker 1: If you keep it all inside, it comes out in
Speaker 1: like toxic you know, it can come out and like
Speaker 1: not so great ways. And that's even something like Steph
Speaker 1: I really resonated when you do, because I have a
Speaker 1: fifteen month old and I went back to work when
Speaker 1: she was about four months old, so you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going through that whole journey. And then it's really really
Speaker 1: beautiful when you do your posts about how you know
Speaker 1: you're struggling with the journey of being a working mum
Speaker 1: and coming back to work or whether it was breastfeeding
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things and those moments, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you then gave me permission to validate that I
Speaker 1: was also struggling and.
Speaker 2: I didn't have to keep this mask on that.
Speaker 1: Everything's fine and you know, getting it all done, and
Speaker 1: it when like we are vulnerable, it gives others that
Speaker 1: permission to not be perfect. And then it's like it's
Speaker 1: like this weightlifts like off your shoulders and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can actually just you know, try and figure this
Speaker 1: out and not be perfect and it can be fine,
Speaker 1: which I just I think is so amazing, And you
Speaker 1: both do that so well on your social media's.
Speaker 2: It's really really really incredible.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, And we do feel the same way,
Speaker 4: and I think that's why we often find ourselves, you know,
Speaker 4: scrolling within our own communities because as much as they're
Speaker 4: there for each other and talking through things like that,
Speaker 4: it's it's so beautiful and warming to be a part
Speaker 4: of that. And I suppose to comment in anything that
Speaker 4: we can, but also go to them if we if
Speaker 4: we need something as well. It's the most supportive group
Speaker 4: of people. And I think once you find your people
Speaker 4: that you know, you can open up to and they
Speaker 4: may or may not have the answers for you and
Speaker 4: look to be honest, with the book, it is much
Speaker 4: more of a guide. It's not a rule book. They're
Speaker 4: not like we haven't like figured life out and like
Speaker 4: this is it on a platter, this is how you
Speaker 4: live the perfect life.
Speaker 6: It's it's absolutely not the case.
Speaker 4: But through lived experience we've found tools and things that
Speaker 4: have helped us make things better or easier.
Speaker 6: And that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And it's if it's not the book, then yeah, it's
Speaker 4: finding your your people or your actions that can help
Speaker 4: you through those those times. But I do agree whenever
Speaker 4: you're struggling, I think one of the most comforting things
Speaker 4: to know is that you're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so powerful.
Speaker 1: Another you know bit in the mind section, which I
Speaker 1: just love that you guys focused on again something I'm
Speaker 1: going through myself.
Speaker 2: Something I resonated with. Who was you know.
Speaker 1: Your bit that spoke about shame and how that actually
Speaker 1: relates to self worth.
Speaker 2: And there's this particular paragraph that just.
Speaker 1: It spoke to me, and I'm going to include a
Speaker 1: snippet here.
Speaker 2: When shame thrives.
Speaker 1: Inside us, it's impossible to decipher the difference between a
Speaker 1: bad thing that happens because of us and a bad
Speaker 1: thing that happens because of the uncontrollable external factor. Shame
Speaker 1: leads us to the belief that we cause the bad
Speaker 1: thing to happen because we are flawed, and that is
Speaker 1: what we do. It's like doing multiple equations and many
Speaker 1: different variables. No matter how many variables and equations you use,
Speaker 1: the answer is always the same. No matter what, we
Speaker 1: find a way to blame ourselves the problem, even when
Speaker 1: it was caused by something outside our control.
Speaker 2: I resonated with this so much.
Speaker 1: And I also love that you know, you guys touched
Speaker 1: on the four major shame triggers you mentioned the book
Speaker 1: were break up shame, work shame, body shame, and fertility shame.
Speaker 1: And these are all you know taboo things that you
Speaker 1: just you don't hear a lot of conversations about because
Speaker 1: they also have a lot to do with like failure.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm saying quote unquote failure, and I
Speaker 1: would just love to hear, you know, if you guys
Speaker 1: had an experience with one of these and what you
Speaker 1: do to then reframe it and work through it.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think for us we've navigated, I mean,
Speaker 7: aside from fertility shame, and just for anyone that's listening
Speaker 7: and thinking, you know what, what is that? It's when
Speaker 7: if you do try to feel pregnant often and it's
Speaker 7: often women, it's something that we do is It's also
Speaker 7: it's really interesting in the online conversation around fertility generally,
Speaker 7: if you are struggling to feel pregnant after you know,
Speaker 7: I think after five tries, that's when the doctor recommends
Speaker 7: that you go and see fertility specialists stuff to five months.
Speaker 7: It's often framed as or women often think that it's
Speaker 7: it's their fauld and it's their body that's wrong and
Speaker 7: it's that's why it's not working, when obviously there's that
Speaker 7: you need in a heater SXU relationship or to make
Speaker 7: a baby. You need a sperm and the egg, and
Speaker 7: so that's what fertility shame is that for so for
Speaker 7: Steph was you know, really lucky that she was able
Speaker 7: to have Harvey and didn't go through that, And same
Speaker 7: for me, It's not something that I've been through yet.
Speaker 7: But with the other however, we did speak to people
Speaker 7: in our community that have been through that. It's really
Speaker 7: we really just wanted to talk about it because it
Speaker 7: is it's such something that can feel so shameful and
Speaker 7: we shouldn't. There's nothing that it doesn't make us any
Speaker 7: less worthy, and that's so important. And with the other
Speaker 7: types of shame, it's something that you know, we've both
Speaker 7: been kind of navigated all of them, and I think
Speaker 7: for me probably the one that I'm navigating the most
Speaker 7: at the moment is, you know, is work shame And
Speaker 7: when when we say that, what that means is when
Speaker 7: you go through because obviously I have confidence at ebbs
Speaker 7: and flows, it's a journey like it's never you're never
Speaker 7: there and then you just kind of never have to
Speaker 7: think about it.
Speaker 6: Or do the work.
Speaker 7: But in times when I've had a really low self confidence,
Speaker 7: I have struggled to separate my any of the work
Speaker 7: I do. If it doesn't do well, or a conversation
Speaker 7: doesn't go well, or we don't get the outcome we
Speaker 7: needed for the business, I have really struggled to separate.
Speaker 7: So one of the examples that I speak to in
Speaker 7: the book was when I presented to a group of
Speaker 7: a very very corporate group on a phone call and
Speaker 7: it was about kick and I remember getting off the
Speaker 7: call and thinking, I muched that up.
Speaker 6: I did a really shit job.
Speaker 7: I didn't convey all the key messages that I needed to,
Speaker 7: I wasn't confident in my delivery. I didn't articulate myself
Speaker 7: while all those things. You know, there's one thing that happens,
Speaker 7: and then you just go on this spiral and everything.
Speaker 6: You just start critiquing everything. And I replayed the whole
Speaker 6: meeting in my mind.
Speaker 7: But it's interesting because I think when I did that,
Speaker 7: I then created a narrative based on the fact that
Speaker 7: I didn't think I did a good job. And so
Speaker 7: then for three weeks in my head, with confidence with
Speaker 7: everything else I was doing at work, I was everything
Speaker 7: reverted back to It wasn't that that presentation didn't go
Speaker 7: well because maybe or that I thought the people that
Speaker 7: were receiving it, they weren't interested in what I was
Speaker 7: talking about anyway, or maybe I didn't have enough time
Speaker 7: to prepare or all those things, all.
Speaker 6: The other elements that can go into it. All I
Speaker 6: could can think.
Speaker 7: To was, as we spoke about with that kind of
Speaker 7: mathematical equation, every problem, everything that went wrong was because
Speaker 7: of me.
Speaker 6: And when we can't separate all the other.
Speaker 7: Factors that go into if thing goes, things go right
Speaker 7: or wrong, or successfully or not successfully, from ourselves, then
Speaker 7: that is where we get in this shame where for
Speaker 7: three weeks, everything I did, if it went wrong, I
Speaker 7: was like, it's because of me. It's because I'm not
Speaker 7: smart enough, it's because I don't get this, it's because
Speaker 7: I haven't done enough work, and all of these things
Speaker 7: that I couldn't really change. And it was really interesting
Speaker 7: because then I got a call three weeks later about
Speaker 7: the meeting and someone said, oh, it was a really
Speaker 7: great meeting. We were so impressed, and it was so
Speaker 7: funny because then I just looked and was laughing because
Speaker 7: I was like, I've spent three weeks in my head
Speaker 7: telling myself that I'm not good enough. I need to
Speaker 7: do all this extra work. I should, you know, go
Speaker 7: do something else or whatever, and I had completely made
Speaker 7: it up. But what's really important is we have to
Speaker 7: find a way and for anyone listening that that's going
Speaker 7: through this, you have to find a way to separate
Speaker 7: it because otherwise you will lead like with your confidence.
Speaker 7: You can't blame yourself for every single thing that happens,
Speaker 7: because it's also not going to help you move forward.
Speaker 7: Because if I say, Okay, I did a bad job
Speaker 7: because I'm stupid, I can't really Yes, you can go
Speaker 7: and setnymore and do whatever, but it's not really going
Speaker 7: to change that thing that you keep going back to you.
Speaker 7: So you have to do the work as much as
Speaker 7: you can to help yourself kind of come to get
Speaker 7: to the point of conclusions in these situations where you
Speaker 7: can separate it.
Speaker 6: But it's hard. It's so hard.
Speaker 1: What would you kind of say to yourself to separate
Speaker 1: that and to make sure your self worth isn't attached
Speaker 1: to that Because I resonating with this all this so much,
Speaker 1: and I would love like an actual example teach me totally.
Speaker 7: So in that example, I could have left that meeting.
Speaker 7: I think too, it's kind of doing the work to
Speaker 7: not get in your own head. And I think always
Speaker 7: repeating to myself too, I try and that we can
Speaker 7: all create our own narratives out of things, and I
Speaker 7: think it's important to so not let my mind, you know,
Speaker 7: keep going down that road for a really long time
Speaker 7: without actually chatting about how it actually went or getting
Speaker 7: the actual facts.
Speaker 6: But I think in terms of that example, what I
Speaker 6: should have.
Speaker 7: Done and how I would have liked to approach it
Speaker 7: if if I, you know, I went back and did it,
Speaker 7: and what I try and do moving forward.
Speaker 6: But again it's like you know, your EBB and flow.
Speaker 7: Would have been after that meeting to if it didn't
Speaker 7: go well, and just say I got feedback that it
Speaker 7: actually didn't go well. What I would have done then
Speaker 7: is then I said, okay, so what were the things
Speaker 7: that I can change going forward to make this go better?
Speaker 7: So it might have been that I needed to do
Speaker 7: more research. I needed to build out a certain level
Speaker 7: of the presentation better. I needed to articulate or frame
Speaker 7: what I was talking about in a different way because
Speaker 7: the audio that I was speaking to, maybe I had
Speaker 7: assumed that they had knowledge that they didn't have. I
Speaker 7: needed to build things into because I was telling the
Speaker 7: story about Kick. I needed to build things into the
Speaker 7: story that they would relate to the in their journey,
Speaker 7: because my journey has been different to their journey, and
Speaker 7: things like that, like actual constructive things that you can
Speaker 7: go and work on then and that's separable. For me,
Speaker 7: that really really helps because that then separates it. Then
Speaker 7: I'm not in this mode of like, oh, it's all
Speaker 7: because of me. I can't get out of this, you know,
Speaker 7: it's I'm just you're just kind of in this self
Speaker 7: pity place.
Speaker 6: Really, you can get out of.
Speaker 7: That and start moving forward, and you know, because we're
Speaker 7: always growing and evolving and that's amazing. But you can
Speaker 7: actually have tangible things that you want to go and
Speaker 7: work on that aren't going to impact your If anything,
Speaker 7: they'll make you feel more confident because then you'll be
Speaker 7: more equipped next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's important to like separate what's tangible and
Speaker 4: what's not, because I mean, like, if you actually do
Speaker 4: really focus on it and you can't come up with
Speaker 4: anything that was necessarily like for example, if you'd had
Speaker 4: if something had happened tragically in your family and it
Speaker 4: caused you to have a horrible sleep the night before,
Speaker 4: that was completely unplanned, unavoidable and unfortunate might have rocked
Speaker 4: you in the meeting. That's not something that you can
Speaker 4: like work on next time. That's something that you just
Speaker 4: have to kind of be okay with that you might
Speaker 4: not necessarily perform at a perfect level. So that's where
Speaker 4: it's really important to kind of go back and work
Speaker 4: through those things, because if you're just feeling crap about
Speaker 4: it because it didn't go well, and then you reflect
Speaker 4: on it and you're like, actually, everything that technically went
Speaker 4: wrong in my head is something that was out of
Speaker 4: my control anyway, it kind of gets you to a
Speaker 4: point where you accept that it is what it is,
Speaker 4: and you know you'll do what you can to try
Speaker 4: and prevent those things. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: that's life. Sometimes there's things that you can't control.
Speaker 7: It might be two the person on the other side
Speaker 7: was never had made a judgment about you before you
Speaker 7: entered the room that you no matter how you told
Speaker 7: your story, how you did the work, could not have
Speaker 7: changed their perspective on you. And so that's important too
Speaker 7: because I think, and there's something we go into the
Speaker 7: book a lot about is letting the fear of other
Speaker 7: people judgment what they think we should do with our lives,
Speaker 7: you know, if they think we're good at certain things
Speaker 7: or not define what we should do with.
Speaker 6: Our lives and letting that take over.
Speaker 7: And so I think that's really important too, because it
Speaker 7: is possible that I could go and do all the work,
Speaker 7: all those things, those examples I just spoke through, and
Speaker 7: that will help me because then I present the next time,
Speaker 7: I'm going to be better. But it is also possible
Speaker 7: that the people you're presenting to, or that the person
Speaker 7: you're speaking to in whatever instance it is in your life,
Speaker 7: they have made a judgment or they're not interested anyway,
Speaker 7: and you're never going to be able to change their mind.
Speaker 7: So it's just important to kind of disconnect that. But
Speaker 7: it is It's so hard, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I love those steps though, and it is about like
Speaker 1: using discernment of you know, like you were saying STEPH
Speaker 1: of like I literally couldn't control that and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and accepting it, and also you know, it then feeds
Speaker 1: into the conversation of accepting yourself where you're at and
Speaker 1: like knowing that you don't have to be perfect all
Speaker 1: the time and it's okay. I actually would really love
Speaker 1: also a Steph for you to chat about mum guilt
Speaker 1: and how you have navigated that. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: have a fifteen month old daughter and it's been something
Speaker 1: that I have personally really really struggled with, and so
Speaker 1: I love that you bring it up in your social media,
Speaker 1: but I'd love for you kind of touch on a
Speaker 1: bit more about, you know, dealing with that in real time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think one thing that I learned pretty
Speaker 4: quickly on, particularly when I started opening up about the
Speaker 4: feelings of mum guilt early on, was that there were
Speaker 4: mums with like fifteen year olds that messaged me and
Speaker 4: were like, sorry to tell you this, but it's not
Speaker 4: something that just happens, you know, in the first two
Speaker 4: years of their life, like it can happen for the
Speaker 4: rest of their lives. When you care about another being
Speaker 4: so so much and you're also responsible for that being
Speaker 4: as well, it can weigh heavy on you when you
Speaker 4: don't necessarily feel like you're either spending enough quality time
Speaker 4: with them or doing the right things, you know, quote unquote.
Speaker 4: I think for me early on, and there was a
Speaker 4: lot of mum guilt around, I felt like I didn't
Speaker 4: know what I was doing. Like, I felt like I
Speaker 4: read a lot of books about pregnancy, but there wasn't
Speaker 4: so much about motherhood, or then if there was, it
Speaker 4: was very kind of one sided and like one approach
Speaker 4: of a way to do things, and so I never
Speaker 4: really connected with much that I read. I learned pretty
Speaker 4: quickly that you connect with other mums you realize that
Speaker 4: there are so many different ways to do things. You know,
Speaker 4: whether you co sleep or not, whether you know, feed
Speaker 4: with formula or not, Like, there's so many different ways
Speaker 4: to do things. And so the further it went on,
Speaker 4: I realized, Okay, there's not really right or wrong, it's
Speaker 4: just what works for my family. And so the guilt
Speaker 4: started to fall away for particular mum things. And I
Speaker 4: can say now that majority of the time I feel
Speaker 4: really good and I feel like I'm a really really
Speaker 4: good mum, and I know I do it in my
Speaker 4: own way.
Speaker 6: So patient, But I'm like, I am not going to
Speaker 6: be able to be this patient.
Speaker 4: But it's come with practice, right, And I think, so
Speaker 4: that's something that I hold, I suppose I value in myself,
Speaker 4: but it can be really hard when the mum gilt
Speaker 4: rears its head more often now is always around work,
Speaker 4: like there's no doubt about it. And I think it's
Speaker 4: just because motherhood for me has been more than a
Speaker 4: dream come true, Like it's been better than I imagined it.
Speaker 4: And so I find it really hard to split my
Speaker 4: time between two things that fulfill me so much. And
Speaker 4: I'm lucky to say that, right, I'm so fortunate to
Speaker 4: say that my job and my career is something that
Speaker 4: I enjoy so much and that fulfills me and you know,
Speaker 4: is so rewarding what we do helping people. So I think, though,
Speaker 4: because it's not something that I can kind of like
Speaker 4: switch my mind off because I love it so much,
Speaker 4: I really do struggle to find the line. You know,
Speaker 4: it's hard to be at home and be completely one
Speaker 4: hundred percent, you know, having quality time with him, because
Speaker 4: I might be thinking about work in some way or
Speaker 4: something might come up. And then it's also hard to
Speaker 4: be at work and then not kind of yearn for
Speaker 4: what's going on at home or like kind of wish
Speaker 4: I could get home earlier, all of those thoughts, right,
Speaker 4: And So I think what I just try and remind
Speaker 4: myself of is that there is no perfect work life balance,
Speaker 4: like that doesn't exist, and every week is going to
Speaker 4: be different, every day is going to be different, and
Speaker 4: so just doing what I can with what I have.
Speaker 4: So some weeks at work, we might have a lot
Speaker 4: of really exciting things going on, and I think what's
Speaker 4: been the hardest thing is like when I'm struggling with
Speaker 4: mum guilt and I might not be making bedtime, i
Speaker 4: might be having limited time in the mornings with him,
Speaker 4: and then we might even have an event or something
Speaker 4: on on the weekend, and that means I'm spending even
Speaker 4: less time with him even when we're not working. It's
Speaker 4: like I then start I don't resent work, but I
Speaker 4: start to think negatively about it, and then I have
Speaker 4: to flip that thought and think, the reason why we're
Speaker 4: working so late is because we've got this epic feature
Speaker 4: going live, or we've got this campaign that we're working
Speaker 4: on that's so exciting, like a new trader's going into
Speaker 4: the app, and then you kind of snap out of
Speaker 4: it because you get so excited about what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Right again, super fortunate too, that that's what it is
Speaker 4: for me. For a lot of people who are away
Speaker 4: from their kids, they might hate their job, but they
Speaker 4: have to do it to make the living. So I'm
Speaker 4: definitely trying and reframe it to focus on what I'm
Speaker 4: grateful for and work through that, and at any time
Speaker 4: that I feel like either or is like completely off balance,
Speaker 4: it's just about being open with both Laura as my
Speaker 4: business partner and best friend, but also Josh and trying
Speaker 4: to find that balance at least a couple of days
Speaker 4: a week where I can possibly spend a little bit
Speaker 4: more quality time with him, or maybe it's even spending
Speaker 4: a little bit more quality time with myself and like
Speaker 4: focusing on my health because that's the other thing right
Speaker 4: that tugs me away in another direction. But I think
Speaker 4: the biggest thing was just knowing that it's probably going
Speaker 4: to be around forever, Like it's not I'm never going
Speaker 4: to wake up one day and just be like cool,
Speaker 4: I'll never struggle with mum guilt every again, and just
Speaker 4: doing the little things that help me feel better about
Speaker 4: whatever it is I'm struggling with.
Speaker 1: You all, most need to accept that it's like this
Speaker 1: is going to constantly pop up and this is going
Speaker 1: to be something I'm constantly going to have to work
Speaker 1: on and being okay with that. I think once your like,
Speaker 1: you know, it is great to know that this is
Speaker 1: you know, that person in message you who's like, I've
Speaker 1: got a sixteen year old and you still feel mom guilt,
Speaker 1: so you can maybe you know, it's kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: this is normal, and then I love what you said.
Speaker 1: It's like reframing. And something even I try to do
Speaker 1: is I can always pick a new story. So you know,
Speaker 1: if the story is, oh, well i've got an avent,
Speaker 1: I can't get home to Ivy, I'm a bad mum
Speaker 1: this and that, I can pick the new story of well,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and it impacts and I'm also super
Speaker 1: super privileged and blessed like you, where the work I
Speaker 1: do is something that absolutely lights me up and it's
Speaker 1: for you know, the greater community and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And so I have to choose the new story, which
Speaker 1: is like, well, actually this is helping you know, these people,
Speaker 1: and I love this and it lights me up and
Speaker 1: I know I can spend extra time with Ivy on
Speaker 1: the weekend. And then I pick that new story and
Speaker 1: you have to just be like okay with it, and
Speaker 1: you have to just go yep, and I'm okay, because
Speaker 1: otherwise I even feel like I'm gonna waste so much
Speaker 1: of my life just being.
Speaker 2: In shame or feeling guilt, and it's.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's like I do get to have
Speaker 1: control and pick these you know, different feelings.
Speaker 6: Oh, you're so right, You're so right.
Speaker 4: I mean it was literally just the other week that
Speaker 4: I was struggling with it, and I ended up writing
Speaker 4: out some thoughts and I sent it to Josh and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I feel really good
Speaker 4: about going into work right now because of what we
Speaker 4: get to do and the difference we're making in the world,
Speaker 4: especially in the health and fitness space. And yes, we
Speaker 4: may be more targeted at women and non binary and
Speaker 4: I might have a little boy right now, but it's
Speaker 4: still going to impact him in some way. If we
Speaker 4: can change the way and change the world for either
Speaker 4: himself or maybe women, he will know in his life.
Speaker 4: And I think going back to the bigger picture of
Speaker 4: you know, our core and what we do, it's like
Speaker 4: it's only going to make his life better. So it
Speaker 4: might not necessarily mean that I spend more time with him,
Speaker 4: but it's in turn it's still helping him in some way,
Speaker 4: which comforts me a lot.
Speaker 1: And I Also, I really love that you and Josh
Speaker 1: like speak about that and you know you were able
Speaker 1: to give him your thoughts, because I think it's really
Speaker 1: incredible because often a lot of the time I'll do
Speaker 1: the same where my thoughts. I will tell him how
Speaker 1: I'm feeling, and then he's like, oh, babe, Blake, it's
Speaker 1: all good, and they kind of make you feel better.
Speaker 1: And also getting the thoughts down on paper, they're not
Speaker 1: as big and they don't have as much impact and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I feel better.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wish I could live like a few
Speaker 4: days in Josh's brain. I just feel like he has
Speaker 4: different he's wired differently, he thinks differently, he doesn't go
Speaker 4: to let he doesn't tastriphize everything and think of the worst.
Speaker 4: I just yeah, so sometimes when he just says, whoa,
Speaker 4: what's what's going on? It's okay, Everything's actually okay.
Speaker 6: You're so right.
Speaker 4: It can really kind of just simplify things and let
Speaker 4: you breathe a little bit.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all that input.
Speaker 1: And again, I just cannot stress how much the mind
Speaker 1: section of the book like blew my mind and made
Speaker 1: me feel.
Speaker 2: So seen and I resonated with so much.
Speaker 1: But I want to move on to body because I
Speaker 1: actually remember Steph.
Speaker 2: I've been a longtime follower.
Speaker 5: And years and.
Speaker 1: Years ago, you did this beautiful post where you explained, like,
Speaker 1: you know, through your modeling Korea, you had to be
Speaker 1: a certain size and you restricted yourself and you went
Speaker 1: through a whole journey and there was kind of a
Speaker 1: clear transformation where you started embracing yourself and you started,
Speaker 1: you know, eating for health and exercising for health, and
Speaker 1: you know, your body did change. And I remember you
Speaker 1: doing this post where you outlined that and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my body's changed and I feel fucking great, and you know,
Speaker 1: like you did this post and it was a time,
Speaker 1: you know, even a couple of years ago, it was
Speaker 1: like more of a fitz bo time. And I remember
Speaker 1: even reading that post and being like, yeah, she does
Speaker 1: look different and it looks fucking great, and like really
Speaker 1: loving that you put that on the internet and we're
Speaker 1: really at the forefront. And I loved in the body section,
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned it's like it's the quote I
Speaker 1: picked from there is like it's not learning how to
Speaker 1: love your body, it's unlearning how to hate it, and
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to just, like, you know, chat
Speaker 1: on that because I feel like, you know, you've gone
Speaker 1: through such a journey with that, and obviously thank you.
Speaker 4: I think that quote why I love that quote so much,
Speaker 4: and I think what comes to mind when I.
Speaker 6: Hear it again.
Speaker 4: Laura and I've done a lot of school talks, and
Speaker 4: I remember one we went to where we were speaking
Speaker 4: to a much younger audience. It's a year sixes and
Speaker 4: it was crazy because we would take them through a
Speaker 4: similar activity to what we were taking you know, fifteen
Speaker 4: to eighteen year old girls through, and the activity was
Speaker 4: to basically compliment themselves, like it didn't have to be
Speaker 4: about their physical appearance, could be a trait that they love,
Speaker 4: something that they're good at, but to.
Speaker 6: Write these things down.
Speaker 4: And when we were speaking to teenagers, they often either
Speaker 4: sat there shyly didn't want to write anything down, or
Speaker 4: you know, they might write one thing down, but then
Speaker 4: they're just more interested in like complimenting their friend and
Speaker 4: helping their friend out, which is also very very lovely.
Speaker 4: But these younger kids, they were like straight penn to paper.
Speaker 4: They had honestly wrote like at least ten compliments for
Speaker 4: themselves and it was so special to see because I
Speaker 4: think for us, which you know, that was probably four
Speaker 4: years ago now, and you know, a lot of things
Speaker 4: have changed, and the rates of you know, people going
Speaker 4: through things like body dysmorphia and eating disorders, that's unfortunately,
Speaker 4: it's getting younger and younger and younger. So I'm definitely
Speaker 4: not saying that, you know, year sixers don't look at
Speaker 4: themselves in a negative way. However, it was really beautiful
Speaker 4: to see how confident they were in themselves. And I
Speaker 4: do too, remember that a lot of my insecurities and
Speaker 4: doubts on myself and who I was that all started
Speaker 4: to rear its head when I was a teenager. I
Speaker 4: don't ever remember being super insecure as like a five
Speaker 4: year old or you know that kind of age. I
Speaker 4: don't remember that, and so I think what it kind
Speaker 4: of made me realize was and even seeing Harvey, like
Speaker 4: he doesn't have any insecurities. I mean he's almost two,
Speaker 4: he's probably too early to tell anyway, but like it's so,
Speaker 4: you're not born that way.
Speaker 6: You're not born hating yourself.
Speaker 4: You're not born like these are all things that we
Speaker 4: learn through pressures in society, through things that people say.
Speaker 4: It's all stuff that you learn, and so it is
Speaker 4: just a big, very very long journey of unlearning these things.
Speaker 4: And that's something that we still do to this day.
Speaker 4: There is still habits or thoughts in our minds. Even
Speaker 4: though we're very comfortable with who we are, very comfortable
Speaker 4: in our own skin, and we've worked through that and
Speaker 4: gone through our own journey, it's not like an end destination.
Speaker 6: There's still things that we have to work through.
Speaker 4: There's still this subconscious that might have, you know, read
Speaker 4: one too many girlfriend magazines and when we were younger,
Speaker 4: that still has these random beliefs that rear their head
Speaker 4: every now and again when we might not be feeling
Speaker 4: great about ourselves.
Speaker 6: And that's okay, you work through them.
Speaker 4: But it is unlearning these habits that kind of get
Speaker 4: you to.
Speaker 6: A point where you can accept yourself. And it's not
Speaker 6: about loving yourself.
Speaker 4: It's not about like getting to a point where you
Speaker 4: don't have any insecurities, like that's loving your body, yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's not realistic. And so it's more just about
Speaker 4: focusing on the things that you do love and appreciating
Speaker 4: yourself and when it comes to the things you don't
Speaker 4: like find ways to either ignore them or work through them.
Speaker 4: There's certain physical parts of my body, or there might
Speaker 4: be certain personality traits that I don't necessarily love about myself,
Speaker 4: but I've accepted that I'm not perfect and that's absolutely okay,
Speaker 4: because striving to be perfect you're never going to get there.
Speaker 4: Nobody is perfect, and so you're just going to constantly
Speaker 4: be unhappy with yourself and it's just.
Speaker 6: Not a way to live. So, yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 6: where that was going. And I think too, it's.
Speaker 7: Kind of trying to connect that the way thinking that
Speaker 7: the way that our bodies look matters. Everything around us
Speaker 7: tells us that they do, but they do not. And
Speaker 7: so it's even in writing the book, in speaking to
Speaker 7: on the in Body Shame, actually it was in we
Speaker 7: spoke to a lot of our community members and I
Speaker 7: remember chatting to one and one said to me that
Speaker 7: there was a comment made to them when they were
Speaker 7: very young, and it was a family member or a
Speaker 7: mum or something that told them they should go on
Speaker 7: a diet or something along those lines, and that comment
Speaker 7: stayed with them and they are now in their twenties,
Speaker 7: and so a comment that was made, like you know,
Speaker 7: almost like twenty years ago, is still with that person.
Speaker 7: And that then meant their relationship with their body, their worth,
Speaker 7: their self worth was tied to their body, and they
Speaker 7: constantly were in that body shame mindset of I hate
Speaker 7: my body. It's not good enough, it's not accepted by society.
Speaker 7: Therefore I am not good enough. And we have to
Speaker 7: disconnect the way our body looks from our worth. Our
Speaker 7: body has nothing to do nothing to do with if
Speaker 7: we're worthy or not.
Speaker 6: We don't need to love it. We just need to
Speaker 6: accept it, as Steph was saying, And we.
Speaker 7: Can love ourselves, but it's not about like it's loving
Speaker 7: ourselves and as who we are, not about loving our bodies,
Speaker 7: and it's accepting who accepting it for all the amazing
Speaker 7: things our bodies can do, like obviously, and it's a
Speaker 7: lot of the work you do as well. And we
Speaker 7: want people to lead healthier and happier lifestyles, you know, That's.
Speaker 6: What we do with Kick. We want people to move
Speaker 6: their bodies and eat well and look after them so
Speaker 6: they feel good.
Speaker 7: That is very very important. We don't want to take
Speaker 7: away from that. But it doesn't matter what your body
Speaker 7: looks like, and so it's having that disconnect between our
Speaker 7: worth and the way that our body looks and exceptional
Speaker 7: things that it does, and thinking about like, our body
Speaker 7: is our home.
Speaker 6: It is it is our we can't change. We're not
Speaker 6: going to get another home, We're not going to get
Speaker 6: another body.
Speaker 7: And so it's how do we look after this home
Speaker 7: that we have and you know, talk to it like
Speaker 7: you talk to your best friend and you know, look
Speaker 7: at like you.
Speaker 6: Know, I love. Think about things that your body does
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 7: So you know, your arms enable you to hug and
Speaker 7: connect with people. You all the things like your legs
Speaker 7: help you get from one place to another, your arms
Speaker 7: help you also like carry heavy bags, all these things
Speaker 7: that we do. Think of our body as a function
Speaker 7: that helps us to do things that are meaningful in
Speaker 7: our life, as opposed to our body being a meaningful
Speaker 7: thing in our life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just going deeper than that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't love Dalton just because he's good looking.
Speaker 6: Not why, my god, that would be a horror marriage game.
Speaker 4: You know. That's how you simplify You think about the
Speaker 4: people in your life that you love, right, it's not
Speaker 4: about the way they look. And also it's not about
Speaker 4: loving every trade of theirs either. It's like there's things
Speaker 4: that annoy the shit out of me with Josh, but
Speaker 4: he's still the love of my life. So it's just
Speaker 4: about like not chasing that perfection.
Speaker 1: Could even feel myself getting a bit emotional when you
Speaker 1: were speaking about you know that girl, Laura, because so
Speaker 1: many of us have those experiences where someone has said
Speaker 1: one thing and we carry it and we carry it
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's not ours to carry, that is
Speaker 1: a projection from that person, and it's so it's so
Speaker 1: upsetting that, you know, it can take us on this
Speaker 1: huge journey in like almost twenty years to realize that.
Speaker 1: And it even reminds me, I love that you speak
Speaker 1: about it. It's not that I have to love my body.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, like saying how I look is not my worth.
Speaker 1: And I even had a really interesting journey where I
Speaker 1: got my implants out because you know, they were making
Speaker 1: me sick. And I've had a couple of girlfriends now
Speaker 1: do the same thing and they were like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: your advice with you know, accepting yourself or like loving
Speaker 1: your body after you get your implants out, And I.
Speaker 2: Just said to them, I just don't focus on them.
Speaker 1: Like I don't stand there and look at my boobs
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and you know, like I literally just
Speaker 1: don't focus on them. And then it just got to
Speaker 1: the point where it just didn't bother me because I
Speaker 1: wasn't focusing on it and not in like an.
Speaker 2: Ignorant sort of way where I was ignoring.
Speaker 1: That part of myself, but I well, I guess I was.
Speaker 1: You know, I just was like, oh, I just didn't
Speaker 1: focus on that part of me. And eventually it's like
Speaker 1: even the thoughts where that part of me needed to
Speaker 1: be a certain way just disappeared, and I just was like, yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: these are my boobs.
Speaker 2: That's it. This is how they look.
Speaker 1: And it had so much like less weight and meaning
Speaker 1: and also you know, being careful about like what you're consuming,
Speaker 1: it might be really emphasizing where the worth is coming from.
Speaker 1: So that was that was so incredible, and thank you
Speaker 1: so much for touching on that. Something that I also
Speaker 1: love with you and Kick is how you don't do
Speaker 1: before and after photos on Kick And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know from a marketing perspective how well that would
Speaker 1: do for you guys, And so to see you guys
Speaker 1: make such an integral move like that you know in
Speaker 1: your fitness company is.
Speaker 2: It's really remarkable And I love.
Speaker 1: That you you know, even touched on this in the book,
Speaker 1: and I would just love to hear like why you
Speaker 1: don't why you guys are anti before and after photos
Speaker 1: and also because you know there is this argument of
Speaker 1: its motivation and I just yeah, I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean, as I've said in the book,
Speaker 4: like I think I started the chapter off basically saying, look,
Speaker 4: if you can look at before and after photos and
Speaker 4: you have such a great relationship with with health and
Speaker 4: yourself that you are not negatively affected by it, then
Speaker 4: like this message obviously isn't for you.
Speaker 6: That that's fine.
Speaker 4: However, for a lot of people it goes so much
Speaker 4: deeper than that, and it can trigger so many things.
Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest thing is basically all of the
Speaker 4: praise that you see this person receiving. So if you're
Speaker 4: looking at it as you've seen a post of it
Speaker 4: before and after, you may or may not know this person,
Speaker 4: but you're seeing a post as a person, as an individual,
Speaker 4: and you're seeing all of this commentary about how great
Speaker 4: they look and how much better they look and oh
Speaker 4: my god, well done, all this positive praise. But nobody
Speaker 4: knows other than what this person might have narrated as
Speaker 4: their story. Nobody actually knows what went down to get
Speaker 4: this trend like this transformation. You know, this person could
Speaker 4: be over exercising, they might be obsessively exercising, they might
Speaker 4: be binging, they might be restricting themselves, they might be
Speaker 4: incredibly unhappy. You have no idea what's going on. But
Speaker 4: by positively praising them, you're only feeding that. I suppose
Speaker 4: want to kind of continue that encouragement to that, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm looking good, Okay, I'm going to keep going.
Speaker 6: And that's where you can get really really unhealthy.
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, for my personal experience, when I
Speaker 4: was living in New York and I was getting measured
Speaker 4: every Monday and Friday, and I was getting this positive
Speaker 4: praise because I was losing weight, and I just kept thinking, Okay,
Speaker 4: I just need to do more and more and more
Speaker 4: because they're getting really happy with me, and they were
Speaker 4: unhappy with me before.
Speaker 6: So this is good. This is a good thing.
Speaker 4: That same thing, it feeds it, and it's like they
Speaker 4: might be doing something really unhealthy. So that's where it
Speaker 4: can be really damaging, and obviously that's damaging to the
Speaker 4: person onlooking it's also damaging to the person in the photos,
Speaker 4: of course, but at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 4: just not about what you look like.
Speaker 6: I think what's so beautiful in our community.
Speaker 4: And it's not to say that our community members don't
Speaker 4: share before and after is we certainly don't block them out.
Speaker 4: It's been really interesting and regulating our community because we
Speaker 4: very very rarely have to actually delete a post or
Speaker 4: block a post from going live. Because the community, once
Speaker 4: they're in there and they spend a little bit of
Speaker 4: time in there, they quickly realize, you know, what we're
Speaker 4: all about and what our community is all about, and
Speaker 4: they're so supportive and encouraging that if anyone ever does
Speaker 4: comment something about like negative towards themselves or something that
Speaker 4: they're going through their journey or they might post it
Speaker 4: before and after it, but they might be unhappy with something,
Speaker 4: the community is so quick to kind of reframe the
Speaker 4: way that their body is thinking, sorry, their brain is
Speaker 4: thinking around their body and kind of re tell the
Speaker 4: narraw of like this, this is why we can move
Speaker 4: our body, or this is why we should move our
Speaker 4: body it's a celebratary thing. It's, you know, we should
Speaker 4: nourish our body because it gives you energy, all that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff and reframing it. But that's what's really beautiful. However,
Speaker 4: you don't see that when you when you just look
Speaker 4: at the before and after photos of going through a challenge,
Speaker 4: and the other thing is often those before and after
Speaker 4: photos when they're conected to something like a challenge, it's
Speaker 4: not a sustainable way to live, and so might do
Speaker 4: like a six week challenge, might be a twelve week
Speaker 4: challenge or whatever it is. You get to the end result,
Speaker 4: you get all this positive praise. Then you start to
Speaker 4: go back to your normal life because you can't sustain
Speaker 4: whatever you were going through. And then you gain the
Speaker 4: weight or you lose the weight, depending on you know,
Speaker 4: whether you put muscle on or whatever, and you're suddenly
Speaker 4: looking different to that after photo, and then you'll just
Speaker 4: forever compare yourself to that after photo that got so
Speaker 4: much you know, praise it. That's where it can be
Speaker 4: so damaging and so unhealthy, and that is why we
Speaker 4: don't share them as a company. And you're so right, Georgie,
Speaker 4: like it's it's definitely something that we have had to
Speaker 4: really stay true to and and be really strong on
Speaker 4: because in the past it's not been anytime recently because
Speaker 4: obviously our team who we work with now are all
Speaker 4: very very much on board with what we do and
Speaker 4: who we are. However, in the past we have been,
Speaker 4: you know, encouraged to use that sort of imagery or
Speaker 4: messaging in our marketing because it is it's unfortunate, but
Speaker 4: it is a very easy pull to things like a
Speaker 4: fitness thing. But that's not what we're about. We're not
Speaker 4: about encouraging users to focus on the aesthetic changes. It's
Speaker 4: about much much more than that, and that's the way
Speaker 4: that you can actually sustain it and find you know,
Speaker 4: your healthy recipe whatever that looks like for you. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we won't be sharing them.
Speaker 6: And there's also so many on the internet too that
Speaker 6: literally aren't even from it's like a it's a lot
Speaker 6: like they there's photos that I know that have been
Speaker 6: taken from things I've seen, like one programs posted it
Speaker 6: and then in other programs using that as an ad
Speaker 6: post METO.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, oh and I like I love
Speaker 2: that you really, yes.
Speaker 1: Like stress like it's the getting the messaging and the feedback.
Speaker 2: Of well done.
Speaker 1: This is so great and it's interesting because I was
Speaker 1: just reflecting then and like my personal page, I've been
Speaker 1: on Instagram for like eight years, and at the start
Speaker 1: it grew off my before and afters, Like you know,
Speaker 1: that was I was the fitness Queen and it was
Speaker 1: before and afters, and I remember getting that applause and
Speaker 1: praise and that feeding and I was very unhealthy back
Speaker 1: then and I was underreading over exercising, but that fed
Speaker 1: into such unhealthy ways and then you know, I had
Speaker 1: such a journey with having.
Speaker 2: To unlearn that.
Speaker 1: But it it is hard because that's literally what.
Speaker 2: The focus of the fitness industry is. It's before and afters.
Speaker 1: So I really love that you guys have such a
Speaker 1: stance on that and it's it's really incredible.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Connection.
Speaker 1: So this is the last part of your book, and
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's really great that you know, you
Speaker 1: spoke about so so many things, and I just want
Speaker 1: to grab a couple of parts, you know, to finish
Speaker 1: off this interview. And Laura, I thought it was really
Speaker 1: really interesting what you wrote about your complicated relationship. You
Speaker 1: know that you have with the word hustle and over
Speaker 1: the few years, how you've had to really deprogram and
Speaker 1: unlearn the hustle mindset. Again, I resonate with this so much.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, you know, how you go about
Speaker 1: deprogramming the hustle mindset and also put in you know,
Speaker 1: because in the book you talk about the quote to
Speaker 1: expect extraordinary results, we must put in extraordinary effort.
Speaker 2: So it's like, how do you navigate that balance.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a tough one and I think definitely
Speaker 7: is something where as I've said, like this book for
Speaker 7: us as well as something that we're going to continue
Speaker 7: to really visit, and you just have those reminders because
Speaker 7: you don't get to a point. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 7: we ebb and flow and everything. But I think for
Speaker 7: me in terms of hustle, I think it's reframing my
Speaker 7: relationship with that word. I think maybe three years ago
Speaker 7: I wore the fact that I was busy and in
Speaker 7: quotation marks hustling as a badge of honor, and if
Speaker 7: I had a conversation with someone or how I am busy,
Speaker 7: I'm busy.
Speaker 6: I'm busy.
Speaker 7: There's honestly nothing more boring to have a conversation than
Speaker 7: someone that just says they're busy.
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, great.
Speaker 7: But what I've had to reframe in my mind is
Speaker 7: I think sometimes the thing with hustle and that you know,
Speaker 7: the hustle culture on Instagram and that the stuff that
Speaker 7: we get caught up in and I've been there, I've
Speaker 7: been caught up in it, right, is that you forget
Speaker 7: that you're making a choice. So I have reframed it
Speaker 7: in my head as I make a choice to work
Speaker 7: really hard fully half but also we've made a choice
Speaker 7: as a business to have very very Our growth plan
Speaker 7: is quite aggressive. I would say what we want to
Speaker 7: do with quick we have both sat in a room
Speaker 7: and we have decided we want to do this, and
Speaker 7: so with that comes sacrifice, and with that comes work
Speaker 7: that has to be put in. You can't sit in
Speaker 7: a room and say i want my company, you know,
Speaker 7: to go to grow globally and be in all these
Speaker 7: different global markets and I'm not really going to do anything.
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna do the amendment Like that's not You're
Speaker 7: you're not going to get there, right, So you have
Speaker 7: to be realistic. You can't just have work life balance
Speaker 7: to the point where it's like it's all life, no work,
Speaker 7: and you know you're not putting the work in because
Speaker 7: you have to put the work in, But it's about
Speaker 7: kind of sitting down and thinking to myself, I have
Speaker 7: made this choice to do this.
Speaker 6: This is the.
Speaker 7: Choice that you know that we've made together and the
Speaker 7: business has made, and we've made with our advisors and
Speaker 7: you know, everyone in our business, and so here's what
Speaker 7: we have to do to get there. And yes it
Speaker 7: requires working hard and doing a lot of work, because
Speaker 7: that's that's important. But it's just reframing that that it's
Speaker 7: it's a choice and it's like, again, it's a privileged
Speaker 7: to be able to have said to do what we
Speaker 7: do and love what we do and to be in
Speaker 7: a position where we can make a decision that you know,
Speaker 7: we've we've tested a market in Australia that we then
Speaker 7: want to go and test globally, Like that's that is
Speaker 7: an amazing thing that we're able to do and the
Speaker 7: learnings we're going to get so exciting. And also, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's all about connecting back to the mission with Kick
Speaker 7: is trying to help as many people reframe that relationship
Speaker 7: with health and wellness and build that sustainable approach and
Speaker 7: live happier and healthier lives. And so that is how
Speaker 7: I've kind of tried to think about it, because it's
Speaker 7: not about not putting the work in, but it's just
Speaker 7: about reframing. You know, when someone asks you how have
Speaker 7: you been, it's not oh, I'm so busy. It's like, yep,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm doing X, Y and Z. But that
Speaker 7: because they're choices. I think some of when we say
Speaker 7: we're busy and we're hustling, it's like it's being forced
Speaker 7: upon us. But if you reframe it and you realize
Speaker 7: it's I mean, it's kind of like how I balance
Speaker 7: everything in terms of especially with work, because it is
Speaker 7: it is we do. We do work a lot, and
Speaker 7: I think it's just important. Otherwise you just feel shame
Speaker 7: all the time and guilt for the things that you're sacrificing,
Speaker 7: and especially for you, Steff, like I don't have for
Speaker 7: both of you, I don't have kids, so I don't
Speaker 7: that I know will be the biggest, you know, guilt
Speaker 7: feeling out of it anything, and it probably is incoparable
Speaker 7: to anything you felt before you had Harvey. But when
Speaker 7: I ever feel guilty, about you know, letting my family
Speaker 7: down or friends or my mental health. I obviously it's
Speaker 7: trying to find that balance of not just like you know,
Speaker 7: telling yourself moving.
Speaker 6: Exactly what you still need to try and avoid burnout.
Speaker 7: Not burning out, but also not holding that mental load
Speaker 7: of realizing the sacrifices that you have chosen to make,
Speaker 7: and that's important, like it's a choice that I made
Speaker 7: right and that we made together. So it's like trying
Speaker 7: to find that balance because otherwise I think you just
Speaker 7: sit and you just feel sorry for yourself and then
Speaker 7: you live in that, as you kind of said it
Speaker 7: for around you know, you feel guilty all the time
Speaker 7: and that that's not a way to live. So it's
Speaker 7: just trying to find a way to work through that
Speaker 7: and just reframe that.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that helps it all, but it is.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the mental load is actually so much heavier than
Speaker 4: what you're actually going through. Not always like sometimes you
Speaker 4: really do just have too much on and not enough time,
Speaker 4: and that can be hard and you need to navigate
Speaker 4: that too and find those times that you can schedule
Speaker 4: in if it's half an hour of something where you're
Speaker 4: not necessarily burning to the ground. Because it is really
Speaker 4: important to also avoid burnout because if you are working
Speaker 4: so hard towards a goal and you're not recognizing the
Speaker 4: you know, things that are popping up and telling you, hey,
Speaker 4: you really need to just take a moment, and then
Speaker 4: you go towards burnout. It's like you're gonna have to
Speaker 4: take weeks of productivity anyway, because you'll be a mess.
Speaker 7: More efficient exactly, because there's some people that posse like,
Speaker 7: I'm hustling until three o'clock in the morning, and then
Speaker 7: I might say, oh my god, I'm not working till
Speaker 7: three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6: But I know if I did that, I would not
Speaker 6: be out.
Speaker 7: I would I would be a very mean So it's
Speaker 7: just finding that balance.
Speaker 1: No, No, that is so helpful, and it is it's
Speaker 1: so true, and I like, I think it's just so
Speaker 1: incredible because it is so much about our mindset and
Speaker 1: how we can take that mental load away and reframe things.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, like, if you can kind of hack
Speaker 1: your mindset, you really can live a life that is
Speaker 1: truly authentic to you and it can really look you know,
Speaker 1: exactly how you want it. You've just got to be
Speaker 1: able to catch yourself and reprogram it and reframe it.
Speaker 1: And it is It's so beautiful because I do the
Speaker 1: exact same thing where I'm like, you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: starting to feel the mom guilt or you know, somethink
Speaker 1: a work or this and that, and I have to
Speaker 1: reframe and be like, no, Georgie, you wanted this, you
Speaker 1: chose this, and now you're living out that you know
Speaker 1: choice and that dream, and so like what's happening here?
Speaker 2: And you yeah, you've.
Speaker 1: Almost like that awareness is so so huge and it's
Speaker 1: not there's not like a solution where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you just do this and you don't feel guilt anymore
Speaker 1: or you don't feel you know, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: It's about constantly catching yourself and also having these conversations
Speaker 1: and talking about it. And that's why I think the
Speaker 1: book is so so incredible. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for answering that. And just to finish off the interview,
Speaker 1: I have just a couple of quick fire questions for
Speaker 1: you guys, just something we always ask our guests. So,
Speaker 1: what's the best advice you have ever received?
Speaker 4: I think one thing that I often bring up, which
Speaker 4: is just something that my mum drilled into me from
Speaker 4: a very young age is to treat people how you
Speaker 4: should be treated. And I think that doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: I always do, but it's something that I have to
Speaker 4: I really want. I value in myself when I do,
Speaker 4: and I like it when other people do that as well,
Speaker 4: and I try to surround myself with people who do
Speaker 4: kind of practice that. So I think it is something
Speaker 4: that's really important to me and something that has stuck
Speaker 4: with me. Although the last time she said it to
Speaker 4: me was probably when I was like eleven years old.
Speaker 4: So it's something that I try and take through my
Speaker 4: personal relationships, my work relationships, just to treat everyone equal
Speaker 4: and to treat them how you wish to be treated.
Speaker 7: I love that, and I think for me right in
Speaker 7: this moment, it would be that we cannot control what
Speaker 7: other people think of us, and that is very important
Speaker 7: to remember and to not let that control you and
Speaker 7: how you think of yourself.
Speaker 1: That is so incredible, guys, you have been so amazing
Speaker 1: to have on the show, and again, congratulations, this is
Speaker 1: just so so incredible.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: You have to go out and get you take care.
Speaker 1: We'll put all the links and everything in the show
Speaker 1: notes because it's such a beautiful read, especially before bed.
Speaker 1: That's what I found, Like, you know, it's something where
Speaker 1: it's not going to it's not like read before this book,
Speaker 1: I was reading a thriller, a romantic thriller.
Speaker 2: It was really confusing.
Speaker 1: So this has been so much nicer to digest before bed.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, no, it's really really incredible. But thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much. Do you want to just let the
Speaker 1: audience know where they can find you or where they
Speaker 1: can grab it?
Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
Speaker 7: We really really appreciate it's been so so nice to
Speaker 7: chat to you. Yeah, seriously, the.
Speaker 4: Book is that I mean you can get it from
Speaker 4: book Topia but also all major bookstores as well.
Speaker 6: It's there, which is so surreal.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you surreality is saying it a person. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you'd like to find out more about Kick,
Speaker 4: our websites Keep it Cleaner dot com and we're at
Speaker 4: kick on TikTok and keep it Clean on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, ladies, Thank you so much for
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