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Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where which

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Speaker 1: have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self mix

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Speaker 1: of my life running two businesses and being among Think

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Speaker 1: of us as the perfect combo of brunch with your

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Speaker 1: besties mixed with self development. No matter where you are

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Speaker 1: in your journey, We're here to help you be curious,

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Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness.

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Speaker 2: If you're ready to get into.

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Speaker 1: The driver's seat of your own life and stop letting

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Speaker 1: life past you by, then you're in the right place.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the R and C

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Speaker 1: Potty Happy Tuesday. Today we have the most amazing episode

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Speaker 1: for you. I interviewed Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw

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Speaker 1: from Keep It Cleaner and we chatted about their new book,

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Speaker 1: You Take Care. It was so incredible chatting to these girls.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love them on social media and

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Speaker 1: they just wowed me even more when I chatted to them.

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Speaker 2: And I think you guys are just going to.

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Speaker 1: Be obsessed with this episode. So what we chat about

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Speaker 1: today is the power of vulnerability, the four major shame triggers, mum, guilt,

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Speaker 1: I love that we spoke about that too, major well

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Speaker 2: So much more. It was honestly such a beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for you guys to hear it. But first,

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Speaker 1: a Tear, what is your weekly recommendation.

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Speaker 3: Because we do it on Tuesday now, I have to ah, sure,

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Speaker 3: so number one is Georgie's collection?

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Speaker 5: You can have to.

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Speaker 3: Honestly be best pre workout and proteins labor. And I, guys,

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Speaker 1: Walk into the podcast room, A Tear just looks over

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Speaker 1: If that's flavor, I'm like, no, a tear hashtag integrity.

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Speaker 1: We have so much fun stuff in the pipelines for

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Speaker 3: Vine my second recommendation. I saw this TikTok and I

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Speaker 3: But it has days to add to your calendar each month,

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Speaker 3: perfect time to bring it up. So one whole spa day,

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: So excited to have you back on the show, Laura

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Speaker 2: You know, birthing a book is a huge, huge thing.

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Speaker 6: Oh that seriously means so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: there for each other and talking through things like that,

442
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: it's it's so beautiful and warming to be a part

443
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 4: of that. And I suppose to comment in anything that

444
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 4: we can, but also go to them if we if

445
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 4: we need something as well. It's the most supportive group

446
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 4: of people. And I think once you find your people

447
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 4: that you know, you can open up to and they

448
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: may or may not have the answers for you and

449
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 4: look to be honest, with the book, it is much

450
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: more of a guide. It's not a rule book. They're

451
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,239
Speaker 4: not like we haven't like figured life out and like

452
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 4: this is it on a platter, this is how you

453
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Speaker 4: live the perfect life.

454
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Speaker 6: It's it's absolutely not the case.

455
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Speaker 4: But through lived experience we've found tools and things that

456
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Speaker 4: have helped us make things better or easier.

457
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Speaker 6: And that's what it is.

458
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 4: And it's if it's not the book, then yeah, it's

459
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Speaker 4: finding your your people or your actions that can help

460
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 4: you through those those times. But I do agree whenever

461
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 4: you're struggling, I think one of the most comforting things

462
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 4: to know is that you're not.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so powerful.

464
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Speaker 1: Another you know bit in the mind section, which I

465
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: just love that you guys focused on again something I'm

466
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: going through myself.

467
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Speaker 2: Something I resonated with. Who was you know.

468
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Speaker 1: Your bit that spoke about shame and how that actually

469
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: relates to self worth.

470
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Speaker 2: And there's this particular paragraph that just.

471
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Speaker 1: It spoke to me, and I'm going to include a

472
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Speaker 1: snippet here.

473
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: When shame thrives.

474
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: Inside us, it's impossible to decipher the difference between a

475
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: bad thing that happens because of us and a bad

476
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: thing that happens because of the uncontrollable external factor. Shame

477
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: leads us to the belief that we cause the bad

478
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: thing to happen because we are flawed, and that is

479
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: what we do. It's like doing multiple equations and many

480
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: different variables. No matter how many variables and equations you use,

481
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: the answer is always the same. No matter what, we

482
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: find a way to blame ourselves the problem, even when

483
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: it was caused by something outside our control.

484
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: I resonated with this so much.

485
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Speaker 1: And I also love that you know, you guys touched

486
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Speaker 1: on the four major shame triggers you mentioned the book

487
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: were break up shame, work shame, body shame, and fertility shame.

488
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Speaker 1: And these are all you know taboo things that you

489
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Speaker 1: just you don't hear a lot of conversations about because

490
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: they also have a lot to do with like failure.

491
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm saying quote unquote failure, and I

492
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Speaker 1: would just love to hear, you know, if you guys

493
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: had an experience with one of these and what you

494
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Speaker 1: do to then reframe it and work through it.

495
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Speaker 6: Well.

496
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think for us we've navigated, I mean,

497
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Speaker 7: aside from fertility shame, and just for anyone that's listening

498
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 7: and thinking, you know what, what is that? It's when

499
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 7: if you do try to feel pregnant often and it's

500
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 7: often women, it's something that we do is It's also

501
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 7: it's really interesting in the online conversation around fertility generally,

502
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 7: if you are struggling to feel pregnant after you know,

503
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 7: I think after five tries, that's when the doctor recommends

504
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 7: that you go and see fertility specialists stuff to five months.

505
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 7: It's often framed as or women often think that it's

506
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 7: it's their fauld and it's their body that's wrong and

507
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 7: it's that's why it's not working, when obviously there's that

508
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 7: you need in a heater SXU relationship or to make

509
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 7: a baby. You need a sperm and the egg, and

510
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 7: so that's what fertility shame is that for so for

511
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 7: Steph was you know, really lucky that she was able

512
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 7: to have Harvey and didn't go through that, And same

513
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 7: for me, It's not something that I've been through yet.

514
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 7: But with the other however, we did speak to people

515
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 7: in our community that have been through that. It's really

516
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 7: we really just wanted to talk about it because it

517
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 7: is it's such something that can feel so shameful and

518
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 7: we shouldn't. There's nothing that it doesn't make us any

519
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 7: less worthy, and that's so important. And with the other

520
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 7: types of shame, it's something that you know, we've both

521
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 7: been kind of navigated all of them, and I think

522
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 7: for me probably the one that I'm navigating the most

523
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 7: at the moment is, you know, is work shame And

524
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 7: when when we say that, what that means is when

525
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 7: you go through because obviously I have confidence at ebbs

526
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 7: and flows, it's a journey like it's never you're never

527
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 7: there and then you just kind of never have to

528
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 7: think about it.

529
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 6: Or do the work.

530
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 7: But in times when I've had a really low self confidence,

531
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 7: I have struggled to separate my any of the work

532
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 7: I do. If it doesn't do well, or a conversation

533
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 7: doesn't go well, or we don't get the outcome we

534
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 7: needed for the business, I have really struggled to separate.

535
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 7: So one of the examples that I speak to in

536
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 7: the book was when I presented to a group of

537
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 7: a very very corporate group on a phone call and

538
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 7: it was about kick and I remember getting off the

539
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 7: call and thinking, I muched that up.

540
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 6: I did a really shit job.

541
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 7: I didn't convey all the key messages that I needed to,

542
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 7: I wasn't confident in my delivery. I didn't articulate myself

543
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 7: while all those things. You know, there's one thing that happens,

544
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 7: and then you just go on this spiral and everything.

545
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 6: You just start critiquing everything. And I replayed the whole

546
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Speaker 6: meeting in my mind.

547
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 7: But it's interesting because I think when I did that,

548
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 7: I then created a narrative based on the fact that

549
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 7: I didn't think I did a good job. And so

550
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 7: then for three weeks in my head, with confidence with

551
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 7: everything else I was doing at work, I was everything

552
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 7: reverted back to It wasn't that that presentation didn't go

553
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 7: well because maybe or that I thought the people that

554
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 7: were receiving it, they weren't interested in what I was

555
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 7: talking about anyway, or maybe I didn't have enough time

556
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 7: to prepare or all those things, all.

557
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 6: The other elements that can go into it. All I

558
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 6: could can think.

559
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 7: To was, as we spoke about with that kind of

560
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 7: mathematical equation, every problem, everything that went wrong was because

561
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 7: of me.

562
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 6: And when we can't separate all the other.

563
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 7: Factors that go into if thing goes, things go right

564
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 7: or wrong, or successfully or not successfully, from ourselves, then

565
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 7: that is where we get in this shame where for

566
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 7: three weeks, everything I did, if it went wrong, I

567
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 7: was like, it's because of me. It's because I'm not

568
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 7: smart enough, it's because I don't get this, it's because

569
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 7: I haven't done enough work, and all of these things

570
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 7: that I couldn't really change. And it was really interesting

571
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 7: because then I got a call three weeks later about

572
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 7: the meeting and someone said, oh, it was a really

573
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 7: great meeting. We were so impressed, and it was so

574
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 7: funny because then I just looked and was laughing because

575
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 7: I was like, I've spent three weeks in my head

576
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 7: telling myself that I'm not good enough. I need to

577
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 7: do all this extra work. I should, you know, go

578
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 7: do something else or whatever, and I had completely made

579
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 7: it up. But what's really important is we have to

580
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 7: find a way and for anyone listening that that's going

581
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 7: through this, you have to find a way to separate

582
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 7: it because otherwise you will lead like with your confidence.

583
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 7: You can't blame yourself for every single thing that happens,

584
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 7: because it's also not going to help you move forward.

585
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 7: Because if I say, Okay, I did a bad job

586
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 7: because I'm stupid, I can't really Yes, you can go

587
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 7: and setnymore and do whatever, but it's not really going

588
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 7: to change that thing that you keep going back to you.

589
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 7: So you have to do the work as much as

590
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 7: you can to help yourself kind of come to get

591
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 7: to the point of conclusions in these situations where you

592
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 7: can separate it.

593
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 6: But it's hard. It's so hard.

594
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: What would you kind of say to yourself to separate

595
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: that and to make sure your self worth isn't attached

596
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: to that Because I resonating with this all this so much,

597
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: and I would love like an actual example teach me totally.

598
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 7: So in that example, I could have left that meeting.

599
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 7: I think too, it's kind of doing the work to

600
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 7: not get in your own head. And I think always

601
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 7: repeating to myself too, I try and that we can

602
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 7: all create our own narratives out of things, and I

603
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 7: think it's important to so not let my mind, you know,

604
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 7: keep going down that road for a really long time

605
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 7: without actually chatting about how it actually went or getting

606
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 7: the actual facts.

607
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 6: But I think in terms of that example, what I

608
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 6: should have.

609
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 7: Done and how I would have liked to approach it

610
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 7: if if I, you know, I went back and did it,

611
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 7: and what I try and do moving forward.

612
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 6: But again it's like you know, your EBB and flow.

613
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 7: Would have been after that meeting to if it didn't

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 7: go well, and just say I got feedback that it

615
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 7: actually didn't go well. What I would have done then

616
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 7: is then I said, okay, so what were the things

617
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 7: that I can change going forward to make this go better?

618
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 7: So it might have been that I needed to do

619
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 7: more research. I needed to build out a certain level

620
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 7: of the presentation better. I needed to articulate or frame

621
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 7: what I was talking about in a different way because

622
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 7: the audio that I was speaking to, maybe I had

623
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 7: assumed that they had knowledge that they didn't have. I

624
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 7: needed to build things into because I was telling the

625
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 7: story about Kick. I needed to build things into the

626
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: story that they would relate to the in their journey,

627
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 7: because my journey has been different to their journey, and

628
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 7: things like that, like actual constructive things that you can

629
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 7: go and work on then and that's separable. For me,

630
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 7: that really really helps because that then separates it. Then

631
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 7: I'm not in this mode of like, oh, it's all

632
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 7: because of me. I can't get out of this, you know,

633
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: it's I'm just you're just kind of in this self

634
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 7: pity place.

635
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 6: Really, you can get out of.

636
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 7: That and start moving forward, and you know, because we're

637
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 7: always growing and evolving and that's amazing. But you can

638
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 7: actually have tangible things that you want to go and

639
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 7: work on that aren't going to impact your If anything,

640
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 7: they'll make you feel more confident because then you'll be

641
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 7: more equipped next time.

642
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's important to like separate what's tangible and

643
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: what's not, because I mean, like, if you actually do

644
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: really focus on it and you can't come up with

645
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: anything that was necessarily like for example, if you'd had

646
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: if something had happened tragically in your family and it

647
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: caused you to have a horrible sleep the night before,

648
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: that was completely unplanned, unavoidable and unfortunate might have rocked

649
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: you in the meeting. That's not something that you can

650
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: like work on next time. That's something that you just

651
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: have to kind of be okay with that you might

652
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: not necessarily perform at a perfect level. So that's where

653
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: it's really important to kind of go back and work

654
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: through those things, because if you're just feeling crap about

655
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: it because it didn't go well, and then you reflect

656
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: on it and you're like, actually, everything that technically went

657
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: wrong in my head is something that was out of

658
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 4: my control anyway, it kind of gets you to a

659
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: point where you accept that it is what it is,

660
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: and you know you'll do what you can to try

661
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Speaker 4: and prevent those things. But at the end of the day,

662
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: that's life. Sometimes there's things that you can't control.

663
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Speaker 7: It might be two the person on the other side

664
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 7: was never had made a judgment about you before you

665
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 7: entered the room that you no matter how you told

666
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 7: your story, how you did the work, could not have

667
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 7: changed their perspective on you. And so that's important too

668
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 7: because I think, and there's something we go into the

669
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 7: book a lot about is letting the fear of other

670
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 7: people judgment what they think we should do with our lives,

671
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 7: you know, if they think we're good at certain things

672
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 7: or not define what we should do with.

673
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: Our lives and letting that take over.

674
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 7: And so I think that's really important too, because it

675
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 7: is possible that I could go and do all the work,

676
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 7: all those things, those examples I just spoke through, and

677
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 7: that will help me because then I present the next time,

678
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 7: I'm going to be better. But it is also possible

679
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 7: that the people you're presenting to, or that the person

680
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 7: you're speaking to in whatever instance it is in your life,

681
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 7: they have made a judgment or they're not interested anyway,

682
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 7: and you're never going to be able to change their mind.

683
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 7: So it's just important to kind of disconnect that. But

684
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 7: it is It's so hard, isn't it.

685
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I love those steps though, and it is about like

686
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: using discernment of you know, like you were saying STEPH

687
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: of like I literally couldn't control that and that's okay,

688
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: and accepting it, and also you know, it then feeds

689
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: into the conversation of accepting yourself where you're at and

690
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: like knowing that you don't have to be perfect all

691
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: the time and it's okay. I actually would really love

692
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: also a Steph for you to chat about mum guilt

693
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and how you have navigated that. Like I said, I

694
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: have a fifteen month old daughter and it's been something

695
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: that I have personally really really struggled with, and so

696
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: I love that you bring it up in your social media,

697
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: but I'd love for you kind of touch on a

698
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: bit more about, you know, dealing with that in real time.

699
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.

700
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I think one thing that I learned pretty

701
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 4: quickly on, particularly when I started opening up about the

702
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 4: feelings of mum guilt early on, was that there were

703
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: mums with like fifteen year olds that messaged me and

704
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: were like, sorry to tell you this, but it's not

705
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 4: something that just happens, you know, in the first two

706
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: years of their life, like it can happen for the

707
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: rest of their lives. When you care about another being

708
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: so so much and you're also responsible for that being

709
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: as well, it can weigh heavy on you when you

710
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: don't necessarily feel like you're either spending enough quality time

711
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: with them or doing the right things, you know, quote unquote.

712
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: I think for me early on, and there was a

713
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: lot of mum guilt around, I felt like I didn't

714
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: know what I was doing. Like, I felt like I

715
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: read a lot of books about pregnancy, but there wasn't

716
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: so much about motherhood, or then if there was, it

717
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: was very kind of one sided and like one approach

718
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: of a way to do things, and so I never

719
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: really connected with much that I read. I learned pretty

720
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: quickly that you connect with other mums you realize that

721
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 4: there are so many different ways to do things. You know,

722
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: whether you co sleep or not, whether you know, feed

723
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: with formula or not, Like, there's so many different ways

724
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: to do things. And so the further it went on,

725
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: I realized, Okay, there's not really right or wrong, it's

726
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: just what works for my family. And so the guilt

727
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: started to fall away for particular mum things. And I

728
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 4: can say now that majority of the time I feel

729
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: really good and I feel like I'm a really really

730
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: good mum, and I know I do it in my

731
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: own way.

732
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 6: So patient, But I'm like, I am not going to

733
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 6: be able to be this patient.

734
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: But it's come with practice, right, And I think, so

735
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: that's something that I hold, I suppose I value in myself,

736
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: but it can be really hard when the mum gilt

737
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: rears its head more often now is always around work,

738
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: like there's no doubt about it. And I think it's

739
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: just because motherhood for me has been more than a

740
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: dream come true, Like it's been better than I imagined it.

741
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 4: And so I find it really hard to split my

742
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: time between two things that fulfill me so much. And

743
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: I'm lucky to say that, right, I'm so fortunate to

744
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: say that my job and my career is something that

745
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: I enjoy so much and that fulfills me and you know,

746
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: is so rewarding what we do helping people. So I think, though,

747
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: because it's not something that I can kind of like

748
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 4: switch my mind off because I love it so much,

749
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: I really do struggle to find the line. You know,

750
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: it's hard to be at home and be completely one

751
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 4: hundred percent, you know, having quality time with him, because

752
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: I might be thinking about work in some way or

753
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: something might come up. And then it's also hard to

754
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: be at work and then not kind of yearn for

755
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 4: what's going on at home or like kind of wish

756
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: I could get home earlier, all of those thoughts, right,

757
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: And So I think what I just try and remind

758
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: myself of is that there is no perfect work life balance,

759
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: like that doesn't exist, and every week is going to

760
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: be different, every day is going to be different, and

761
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: so just doing what I can with what I have.

762
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: So some weeks at work, we might have a lot

763
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: of really exciting things going on, and I think what's

764
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: been the hardest thing is like when I'm struggling with

765
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: mum guilt and I might not be making bedtime, i

766
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: might be having limited time in the mornings with him,

767
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: and then we might even have an event or something

768
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: on on the weekend, and that means I'm spending even

769
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: less time with him even when we're not working. It's

770
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 4: like I then start I don't resent work, but I

771
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: start to think negatively about it, and then I have

772
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: to flip that thought and think, the reason why we're

773
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: working so late is because we've got this epic feature

774
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: going live, or we've got this campaign that we're working

775
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: on that's so exciting, like a new trader's going into

776
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: the app, and then you kind of snap out of

777
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: it because you get so excited about what you're doing.

778
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: Right again, super fortunate too, that that's what it is

779
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: for me. For a lot of people who are away

780
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: from their kids, they might hate their job, but they

781
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: have to do it to make the living. So I'm

782
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: definitely trying and reframe it to focus on what I'm

783
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 4: grateful for and work through that, and at any time

784
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 4: that I feel like either or is like completely off balance,

785
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: it's just about being open with both Laura as my

786
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: business partner and best friend, but also Josh and trying

787
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 4: to find that balance at least a couple of days

788
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 4: a week where I can possibly spend a little bit

789
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: more quality time with him, or maybe it's even spending

790
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: a little bit more quality time with myself and like

791
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: focusing on my health because that's the other thing right

792
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: that tugs me away in another direction. But I think

793
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: the biggest thing was just knowing that it's probably going

794
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: to be around forever, Like it's not I'm never going

795
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 4: to wake up one day and just be like cool,

796
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: I'll never struggle with mum guilt every again, and just

797
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: doing the little things that help me feel better about

798
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 4: whatever it is I'm struggling with.

799
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: You all, most need to accept that it's like this

800
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: is going to constantly pop up and this is going

801
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: to be something I'm constantly going to have to work

802
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: on and being okay with that. I think once your like,

803
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, it is great to know that this is

804
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, that person in message you who's like, I've

805
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 1: got a sixteen year old and you still feel mom guilt,

806
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: so you can maybe you know, it's kind of like, oh, okay,

807
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: this is normal, and then I love what you said.

808
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: It's like reframing. And something even I try to do

809
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: is I can always pick a new story. So you know,

810
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: if the story is, oh, well i've got an avent,

811
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: I can't get home to Ivy, I'm a bad mum

812
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: this and that, I can pick the new story of well,

813
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and it impacts and I'm also super

814
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: super privileged and blessed like you, where the work I

815
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: do is something that absolutely lights me up and it's

816
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: for you know, the greater community and that sort of thing.

817
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: And so I have to choose the new story, which

818
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: is like, well, actually this is helping you know, these people,

819
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and I love this and it lights me up and

820
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I know I can spend extra time with Ivy on

821
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: the weekend. And then I pick that new story and

822
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: you have to just be like okay with it, and

823
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: you have to just go yep, and I'm okay, because

824
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: otherwise I even feel like I'm gonna waste so much

825
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: of my life just being.

826
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: In shame or feeling guilt, and it's.

827
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, like it's like I do get to have

828
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: control and pick these you know, different feelings.

829
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 6: Oh, you're so right, You're so right.

830
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: I mean it was literally just the other week that

831
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 4: I was struggling with it, and I ended up writing

832
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: out some thoughts and I sent it to Josh and

833
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I feel really good

834
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: about going into work right now because of what we

835
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 4: get to do and the difference we're making in the world,

836
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: especially in the health and fitness space. And yes, we

837
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: may be more targeted at women and non binary and

838
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: I might have a little boy right now, but it's

839
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: still going to impact him in some way. If we

840
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: can change the way and change the world for either

841
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: himself or maybe women, he will know in his life.

842
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: And I think going back to the bigger picture of

843
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: you know, our core and what we do, it's like

844
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: it's only going to make his life better. So it

845
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 4: might not necessarily mean that I spend more time with him,

846
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: but it's in turn it's still helping him in some way,

847
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: which comforts me a lot.

848
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: And I Also, I really love that you and Josh

849
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: like speak about that and you know you were able

850
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: to give him your thoughts, because I think it's really

851
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: incredible because often a lot of the time I'll do

852
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: the same where my thoughts. I will tell him how

853
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm feeling, and then he's like, oh, babe, Blake, it's

854
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: all good, and they kind of make you feel better.

855
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: And also getting the thoughts down on paper, they're not

856
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: as big and they don't have as much impact and

857
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I feel better.

858
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's so true.

859
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I wish I could live like a few

860
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: days in Josh's brain. I just feel like he has

861
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: different he's wired differently, he thinks differently, he doesn't go

862
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: to let he doesn't tastriphize everything and think of the worst.

863
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: I just yeah, so sometimes when he just says, whoa,

864
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: what's what's going on? It's okay, Everything's actually okay.

865
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 6: You're so right.

866
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: It can really kind of just simplify things and let

867
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 4: you breathe a little bit.

868
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all that input.

869
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: And again, I just cannot stress how much the mind

870
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: section of the book like blew my mind and made

871
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: me feel.

872
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: So seen and I resonated with so much.

873
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: But I want to move on to body because I

874
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: actually remember Steph.

875
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: I've been a longtime follower.

876
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: And years and.

877
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: Years ago, you did this beautiful post where you explained, like,

878
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, through your modeling Korea, you had to be

879
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: a certain size and you restricted yourself and you went

880
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: through a whole journey and there was kind of a

881
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: clear transformation where you started embracing yourself and you started,

882
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, eating for health and exercising for health, and

883
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, your body did change. And I remember you

884
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: doing this post where you outlined that and you're like, yeah,

885
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: my body's changed and I feel fucking great, and you know,

886
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: like you did this post and it was a time,

887
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, even a couple of years ago, it was

888
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: like more of a fitz bo time. And I remember

889
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: even reading that post and being like, yeah, she does

890
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: look different and it looks fucking great, and like really

891
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: loving that you put that on the internet and we're

892
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: really at the forefront. And I loved in the body section,

893
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned it's like it's the quote I

894
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: picked from there is like it's not learning how to

895
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: love your body, it's unlearning how to hate it, and

896
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to just, like, you know, chat

897
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: on that because I feel like, you know, you've gone

898
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: through such a journey with that, and obviously thank you.

899
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: I think that quote why I love that quote so much,

900
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: and I think what comes to mind when I.

901
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 6: Hear it again.

902
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: Laura and I've done a lot of school talks, and

903
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 4: I remember one we went to where we were speaking

904
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: to a much younger audience. It's a year sixes and

905
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: it was crazy because we would take them through a

906
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: similar activity to what we were taking you know, fifteen

907
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: to eighteen year old girls through, and the activity was

908
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: to basically compliment themselves, like it didn't have to be

909
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: about their physical appearance, could be a trait that they love,

910
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: something that they're good at, but to.

911
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 6: Write these things down.

912
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 4: And when we were speaking to teenagers, they often either

913
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: sat there shyly didn't want to write anything down, or

914
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: you know, they might write one thing down, but then

915
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 4: they're just more interested in like complimenting their friend and

916
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: helping their friend out, which is also very very lovely.

917
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: But these younger kids, they were like straight penn to paper.

918
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: They had honestly wrote like at least ten compliments for

919
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: themselves and it was so special to see because I

920
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: think for us, which you know, that was probably four

921
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 4: years ago now, and you know, a lot of things

922
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: have changed, and the rates of you know, people going

923
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 4: through things like body dysmorphia and eating disorders, that's unfortunately,

924
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: it's getting younger and younger and younger. So I'm definitely

925
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: not saying that, you know, year sixers don't look at

926
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: themselves in a negative way. However, it was really beautiful

927
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: to see how confident they were in themselves. And I

928
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 4: do too, remember that a lot of my insecurities and

929
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: doubts on myself and who I was that all started

930
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: to rear its head when I was a teenager. I

931
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: don't ever remember being super insecure as like a five

932
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 4: year old or you know that kind of age. I

933
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 4: don't remember that, and so I think what it kind

934
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: of made me realize was and even seeing Harvey, like

935
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: he doesn't have any insecurities. I mean he's almost two,

936
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: he's probably too early to tell anyway, but like it's so,

937
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 4: you're not born that way.

938
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 6: You're not born hating yourself.

939
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: You're not born like these are all things that we

940
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 4: learn through pressures in society, through things that people say.

941
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: It's all stuff that you learn, and so it is

942
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: just a big, very very long journey of unlearning these things.

943
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: And that's something that we still do to this day.

944
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: There is still habits or thoughts in our minds. Even

945
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: though we're very comfortable with who we are, very comfortable

946
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: in our own skin, and we've worked through that and

947
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: gone through our own journey, it's not like an end destination.

948
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 6: There's still things that we have to work through.

949
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 4: There's still this subconscious that might have, you know, read

950
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: one too many girlfriend magazines and when we were younger,

951
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: that still has these random beliefs that rear their head

952
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: every now and again when we might not be feeling

953
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: great about ourselves.

954
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 6: And that's okay, you work through them.

955
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: But it is unlearning these habits that kind of get

956
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: you to.

957
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 6: A point where you can accept yourself. And it's not

958
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 6: about loving yourself.

959
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: It's not about like getting to a point where you

960
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: don't have any insecurities, like that's loving your body, yeah,

961
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 4: but that's not realistic. And so it's more just about

962
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 4: focusing on the things that you do love and appreciating

963
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: yourself and when it comes to the things you don't

964
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: like find ways to either ignore them or work through them.

965
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: There's certain physical parts of my body, or there might

966
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: be certain personality traits that I don't necessarily love about myself,

967
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: but I've accepted that I'm not perfect and that's absolutely okay,

968
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: because striving to be perfect you're never going to get there.

969
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: Nobody is perfect, and so you're just going to constantly

970
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: be unhappy with yourself and it's just.

971
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: Not a way to live. So, yeah, that's kind of

972
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 6: where that was going. And I think too, it's.

973
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 7: Kind of trying to connect that the way thinking that

974
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 7: the way that our bodies look matters. Everything around us

975
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 7: tells us that they do, but they do not. And

976
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 7: so it's even in writing the book, in speaking to

977
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 7: on the in Body Shame, actually it was in we

978
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 7: spoke to a lot of our community members and I

979
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 7: remember chatting to one and one said to me that

980
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: there was a comment made to them when they were

981
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 7: very young, and it was a family member or a

982
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 7: mum or something that told them they should go on

983
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 7: a diet or something along those lines, and that comment

984
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 7: stayed with them and they are now in their twenties,

985
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 7: and so a comment that was made, like you know,

986
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 7: almost like twenty years ago, is still with that person.

987
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 7: And that then meant their relationship with their body, their worth,

988
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 7: their self worth was tied to their body, and they

989
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 7: constantly were in that body shame mindset of I hate

990
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 7: my body. It's not good enough, it's not accepted by society.

991
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: Therefore I am not good enough. And we have to

992
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 7: disconnect the way our body looks from our worth. Our

993
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 7: body has nothing to do nothing to do with if

994
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 7: we're worthy or not.

995
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 6: We don't need to love it. We just need to

996
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 6: accept it, as Steph was saying, And we.

997
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 7: Can love ourselves, but it's not about like it's loving

998
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 7: ourselves and as who we are, not about loving our bodies,

999
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 7: and it's accepting who accepting it for all the amazing

1000
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 7: things our bodies can do, like obviously, and it's a

1001
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 7: lot of the work you do as well. And we

1002
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 7: want people to lead healthier and happier lifestyles, you know, That's.

1003
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 6: What we do with Kick. We want people to move

1004
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 6: their bodies and eat well and look after them so

1005
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: they feel good.

1006
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 7: That is very very important. We don't want to take

1007
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 7: away from that. But it doesn't matter what your body

1008
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: looks like, and so it's having that disconnect between our

1009
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 7: worth and the way that our body looks and exceptional

1010
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 7: things that it does, and thinking about like, our body

1011
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 7: is our home.

1012
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 6: It is it is our we can't change. We're not

1013
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 6: going to get another home, We're not going to get

1014
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 6: another body.

1015
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 7: And so it's how do we look after this home

1016
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 7: that we have and you know, talk to it like

1017
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 7: you talk to your best friend and you know, look

1018
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 7: at like you.

1019
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 6: Know, I love. Think about things that your body does

1020
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: to you.

1021
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 7: So you know, your arms enable you to hug and

1022
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 7: connect with people. You all the things like your legs

1023
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 7: help you get from one place to another, your arms

1024
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 7: help you also like carry heavy bags, all these things

1025
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 7: that we do. Think of our body as a function

1026
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 7: that helps us to do things that are meaningful in

1027
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 7: our life, as opposed to our body being a meaningful

1028
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 7: thing in our life.

1029
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, just going deeper than that.

1030
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't love Dalton just because he's good looking.

1031
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 6: Not why, my god, that would be a horror marriage game.

1032
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: You know. That's how you simplify You think about the

1033
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: people in your life that you love, right, it's not

1034
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: about the way they look. And also it's not about

1035
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: loving every trade of theirs either. It's like there's things

1036
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: that annoy the shit out of me with Josh, but

1037
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: he's still the love of my life. So it's just

1038
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: about like not chasing that perfection.

1039
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: Could even feel myself getting a bit emotional when you

1040
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: were speaking about you know that girl, Laura, because so

1041
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: many of us have those experiences where someone has said

1042
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: one thing and we carry it and we carry it

1043
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's not ours to carry, that is

1044
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: a projection from that person, and it's so it's so

1045
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: upsetting that, you know, it can take us on this

1046
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: huge journey in like almost twenty years to realize that.

1047
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: And it even reminds me, I love that you speak

1048
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: about it. It's not that I have to love my body.

1049
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, like saying how I look is not my worth.

1050
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: And I even had a really interesting journey where I

1051
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: got my implants out because you know, they were making

1052
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: me sick. And I've had a couple of girlfriends now

1053
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: do the same thing and they were like, oh, what's

1054
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: your advice with you know, accepting yourself or like loving

1055
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: your body after you get your implants out, And I.

1056
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: Just said to them, I just don't focus on them.

1057
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't stand there and look at my boobs

1058
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and you know, like I literally just

1059
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: don't focus on them. And then it just got to

1060
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: the point where it just didn't bother me because I

1061
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: wasn't focusing on it and not in like an.

1062
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: Ignorant sort of way where I was ignoring.

1063
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: That part of myself, but I well, I guess I was.

1064
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: You know, I just was like, oh, I just didn't

1065
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: focus on that part of me. And eventually it's like

1066
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: even the thoughts where that part of me needed to

1067
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: be a certain way just disappeared, and I just was like, yeah, cool,

1068
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: these are my boobs.

1069
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: That's it. This is how they look.

1070
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: And it had so much like less weight and meaning

1071
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: and also you know, being careful about like what you're consuming,

1072
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: it might be really emphasizing where the worth is coming from.

1073
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: So that was that was so incredible, and thank you

1074
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: so much for touching on that. Something that I also

1075
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: love with you and Kick is how you don't do

1076
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: before and after photos on Kick And it's like, you know,

1077
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: I know from a marketing perspective how well that would

1078
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: do for you guys, And so to see you guys

1079
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: make such an integral move like that you know in

1080
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: your fitness company is.

1081
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: It's really remarkable And I love.

1082
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: That you you know, even touched on this in the book,

1083
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: and I would just love to hear like why you

1084
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: don't why you guys are anti before and after photos

1085
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: and also because you know there is this argument of

1086
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: its motivation and I just yeah, I'd love to hear

1087
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: you guys.

1088
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean, as I've said in the book,

1089
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: like I think I started the chapter off basically saying, look,

1090
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 4: if you can look at before and after photos and

1091
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: you have such a great relationship with with health and

1092
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Speaker 4: yourself that you are not negatively affected by it, then

1093
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: like this message obviously isn't for you.

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Speaker 6: That that's fine.

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Speaker 4: However, for a lot of people it goes so much

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Speaker 4: deeper than that, and it can trigger so many things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest thing is basically all of the

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00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: praise that you see this person receiving. So if you're

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Speaker 4: looking at it as you've seen a post of it

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Speaker 4: before and after, you may or may not know this person,

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Speaker 4: but you're seeing a post as a person, as an individual,

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Speaker 4: and you're seeing all of this commentary about how great

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00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: they look and how much better they look and oh

1104
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: my god, well done, all this positive praise. But nobody

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: knows other than what this person might have narrated as

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00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 4: their story. Nobody actually knows what went down to get

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00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: this trend like this transformation. You know, this person could

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00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: be over exercising, they might be obsessively exercising, they might

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00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 4: be binging, they might be restricting themselves, they might be

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00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: incredibly unhappy. You have no idea what's going on. But

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00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: by positively praising them, you're only feeding that. I suppose

1112
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: want to kind of continue that encouragement to that, hey,

1113
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: I'm looking good, Okay, I'm going to keep going.

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00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 6: And that's where you can get really really unhealthy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, for me, for my personal experience, when I

1116
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: was living in New York and I was getting measured

1117
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: every Monday and Friday, and I was getting this positive

1118
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: praise because I was losing weight, and I just kept thinking, Okay,

1119
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: I just need to do more and more and more

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00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: because they're getting really happy with me, and they were

1121
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: unhappy with me before.

1122
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Speaker 6: So this is good. This is a good thing.

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00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: That same thing, it feeds it, and it's like they

1124
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 4: might be doing something really unhealthy. So that's where it

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: can be really damaging, and obviously that's damaging to the

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00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: person onlooking it's also damaging to the person in the photos,

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00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: of course, but at the end of the day, it's

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Speaker 4: just not about what you look like.

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Speaker 6: I think what's so beautiful in our community.

1130
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: And it's not to say that our community members don't

1131
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: share before and after is we certainly don't block them out.

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00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: It's been really interesting and regulating our community because we

1133
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: very very rarely have to actually delete a post or

1134
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 4: block a post from going live. Because the community, once

1135
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 4: they're in there and they spend a little bit of

1136
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: time in there, they quickly realize, you know, what we're

1137
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: all about and what our community is all about, and

1138
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 4: they're so supportive and encouraging that if anyone ever does

1139
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: comment something about like negative towards themselves or something that

1140
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 4: they're going through their journey or they might post it

1141
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: before and after it, but they might be unhappy with something,

1142
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: the community is so quick to kind of reframe the

1143
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: way that their body is thinking, sorry, their brain is

1144
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: thinking around their body and kind of re tell the

1145
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 4: narraw of like this, this is why we can move

1146
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 4: our body, or this is why we should move our

1147
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 4: body it's a celebratary thing. It's, you know, we should

1148
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: nourish our body because it gives you energy, all that

1149
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 4: sort of stuff and reframing it. But that's what's really beautiful. However,

1150
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 4: you don't see that when you when you just look

1151
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: at the before and after photos of going through a challenge,

1152
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 4: and the other thing is often those before and after

1153
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: photos when they're conected to something like a challenge, it's

1154
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: not a sustainable way to live, and so might do

1155
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: like a six week challenge, might be a twelve week

1156
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: challenge or whatever it is. You get to the end result,

1157
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 4: you get all this positive praise. Then you start to

1158
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 4: go back to your normal life because you can't sustain

1159
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: whatever you were going through. And then you gain the

1160
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: weight or you lose the weight, depending on you know,

1161
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 4: whether you put muscle on or whatever, and you're suddenly

1162
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 4: looking different to that after photo, and then you'll just

1163
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: forever compare yourself to that after photo that got so

1164
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: much you know, praise it. That's where it can be

1165
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: so damaging and so unhealthy, and that is why we

1166
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 4: don't share them as a company. And you're so right, Georgie,

1167
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: like it's it's definitely something that we have had to

1168
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 4: really stay true to and and be really strong on

1169
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 4: because in the past it's not been anytime recently because

1170
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: obviously our team who we work with now are all

1171
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: very very much on board with what we do and

1172
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: who we are. However, in the past we have been,

1173
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: you know, encouraged to use that sort of imagery or

1174
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: messaging in our marketing because it is it's unfortunate, but

1175
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: it is a very easy pull to things like a

1176
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: fitness thing. But that's not what we're about. We're not

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 4: about encouraging users to focus on the aesthetic changes. It's

1178
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 4: about much much more than that, and that's the way

1179
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: that you can actually sustain it and find you know,

1180
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: your healthy recipe whatever that looks like for you. So yeah,

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00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: we won't be sharing them.

1182
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 6: And there's also so many on the internet too that

1183
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 6: literally aren't even from it's like a it's a lot

1184
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 6: like they there's photos that I know that have been

1185
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 6: taken from things I've seen, like one programs posted it

1186
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 6: and then in other programs using that as an ad

1187
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 6: post METO.

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00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: I know, I know, oh and I like I love

1189
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Speaker 2: that you really, yes.

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Speaker 1: Like stress like it's the getting the messaging and the feedback.

1191
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: Of well done.

1192
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: This is so great and it's interesting because I was

1193
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: just reflecting then and like my personal page, I've been

1194
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram for like eight years, and at the start

1195
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: it grew off my before and afters, Like you know,

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00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: that was I was the fitness Queen and it was

1197
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: before and afters, and I remember getting that applause and

1198
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: praise and that feeding and I was very unhealthy back

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Speaker 1: then and I was underreading over exercising, but that fed

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Speaker 1: into such unhealthy ways and then you know, I had

1201
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: such a journey with having.

1202
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: To unlearn that.

1203
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: But it it is hard because that's literally what.

1204
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: The focus of the fitness industry is. It's before and afters.

1205
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Speaker 1: So I really love that you guys have such a

1206
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: stance on that and it's it's really incredible.

1207
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Connection.

1208
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: So this is the last part of your book, and

1209
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's really great that you know, you

1210
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: spoke about so so many things, and I just want

1211
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: to grab a couple of parts, you know, to finish

1212
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: off this interview. And Laura, I thought it was really

1213
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: really interesting what you wrote about your complicated relationship. You

1214
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: know that you have with the word hustle and over

1215
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: the few years, how you've had to really deprogram and

1216
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: unlearn the hustle mindset. Again, I resonate with this so much.

1217
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, you know, how you go about

1218
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: deprogramming the hustle mindset and also put in you know,

1219
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: because in the book you talk about the quote to

1220
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: expect extraordinary results, we must put in extraordinary effort.

1221
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: So it's like, how do you navigate that balance.

1222
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a tough one and I think definitely

1223
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 7: is something where as I've said, like this book for

1224
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 7: us as well as something that we're going to continue

1225
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 7: to really visit, and you just have those reminders because

1226
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 7: you don't get to a point. I feel like, yeah,

1227
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 7: we ebb and flow and everything. But I think for

1228
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 7: me in terms of hustle, I think it's reframing my

1229
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 7: relationship with that word. I think maybe three years ago

1230
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 7: I wore the fact that I was busy and in

1231
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 7: quotation marks hustling as a badge of honor, and if

1232
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 7: I had a conversation with someone or how I am busy,

1233
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 7: I'm busy.

1234
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 6: I'm busy.

1235
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 7: There's honestly nothing more boring to have a conversation than

1236
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: someone that just says they're busy.

1237
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, great.

1238
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 7: But what I've had to reframe in my mind is

1239
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 7: I think sometimes the thing with hustle and that you know,

1240
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 7: the hustle culture on Instagram and that the stuff that

1241
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 7: we get caught up in and I've been there, I've

1242
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 7: been caught up in it, right, is that you forget

1243
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 7: that you're making a choice. So I have reframed it

1244
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 7: in my head as I make a choice to work

1245
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 7: really hard fully half but also we've made a choice

1246
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 7: as a business to have very very Our growth plan

1247
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 7: is quite aggressive. I would say what we want to

1248
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 7: do with quick we have both sat in a room

1249
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 7: and we have decided we want to do this, and

1250
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 7: so with that comes sacrifice, and with that comes work

1251
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 7: that has to be put in. You can't sit in

1252
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 7: a room and say i want my company, you know,

1253
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 7: to go to grow globally and be in all these

1254
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 7: different global markets and I'm not really going to do anything.

1255
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna do the amendment Like that's not You're

1256
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 7: you're not going to get there, right, So you have

1257
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 7: to be realistic. You can't just have work life balance

1258
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 7: to the point where it's like it's all life, no work,

1259
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 7: and you know you're not putting the work in because

1260
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 7: you have to put the work in, But it's about

1261
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 7: kind of sitting down and thinking to myself, I have

1262
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 7: made this choice to do this.

1263
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 6: This is the.

1264
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 7: Choice that you know that we've made together and the

1265
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 7: business has made, and we've made with our advisors and

1266
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 7: you know, everyone in our business, and so here's what

1267
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 7: we have to do to get there. And yes it

1268
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 7: requires working hard and doing a lot of work, because

1269
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 7: that's that's important. But it's just reframing that that it's

1270
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 7: it's a choice and it's like, again, it's a privileged

1271
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 7: to be able to have said to do what we

1272
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 7: do and love what we do and to be in

1273
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 7: a position where we can make a decision that you know,

1274
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 7: we've we've tested a market in Australia that we then

1275
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 7: want to go and test globally, Like that's that is

1276
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 7: an amazing thing that we're able to do and the

1277
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 7: learnings we're going to get so exciting. And also, I mean,

1278
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 7: it's all about connecting back to the mission with Kick

1279
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 7: is trying to help as many people reframe that relationship

1280
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 7: with health and wellness and build that sustainable approach and

1281
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 7: live happier and healthier lives. And so that is how

1282
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 7: I've kind of tried to think about it, because it's

1283
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 7: not about not putting the work in, but it's just

1284
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 7: about reframing. You know, when someone asks you how have

1285
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 7: you been, it's not oh, I'm so busy. It's like, yep,

1286
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 7: you know, I'm doing X, Y and Z. But that

1287
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 7: because they're choices. I think some of when we say

1288
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 7: we're busy and we're hustling, it's like it's being forced

1289
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 7: upon us. But if you reframe it and you realize

1290
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 7: it's I mean, it's kind of like how I balance

1291
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 7: everything in terms of especially with work, because it is

1292
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 7: it is we do. We do work a lot, and

1293
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 7: I think it's just important. Otherwise you just feel shame

1294
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 7: all the time and guilt for the things that you're sacrificing,

1295
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 7: and especially for you, Steff, like I don't have for

1296
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 7: both of you, I don't have kids, so I don't

1297
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 7: that I know will be the biggest, you know, guilt

1298
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 7: feeling out of it anything, and it probably is incoparable

1299
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 7: to anything you felt before you had Harvey. But when

1300
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 7: I ever feel guilty, about you know, letting my family

1301
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 7: down or friends or my mental health. I obviously it's

1302
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 7: trying to find that balance of not just like you know,

1303
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Speaker 7: telling yourself moving.

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Speaker 6: Exactly what you still need to try and avoid burnout.

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Speaker 7: Not burning out, but also not holding that mental load

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Speaker 7: of realizing the sacrifices that you have chosen to make,

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Speaker 7: and that's important, like it's a choice that I made

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Speaker 7: right and that we made together. So it's like trying

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Speaker 7: to find that balance because otherwise I think you just

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Speaker 7: sit and you just feel sorry for yourself and then

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Speaker 7: you live in that, as you kind of said it

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Speaker 7: for around you know, you feel guilty all the time

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Speaker 7: and that that's not a way to live. So it's

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Speaker 7: just trying to find a way to work through that

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Speaker 7: and just reframe that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that helps it all, but it is.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes the mental load is actually so much heavier than

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Speaker 4: what you're actually going through. Not always like sometimes you

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Speaker 4: really do just have too much on and not enough time,

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Speaker 4: and that can be hard and you need to navigate

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Speaker 4: that too and find those times that you can schedule

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Speaker 4: in if it's half an hour of something where you're

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Speaker 4: not necessarily burning to the ground. Because it is really

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Speaker 4: important to also avoid burnout because if you are working

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Speaker 4: so hard towards a goal and you're not recognizing the

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Speaker 4: you know, things that are popping up and telling you, hey,

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Speaker 4: you really need to just take a moment, and then

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Speaker 4: you go towards burnout. It's like you're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: take weeks of productivity anyway, because you'll be a mess.

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Speaker 7: More efficient exactly, because there's some people that posse like,

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Speaker 7: I'm hustling until three o'clock in the morning, and then

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Speaker 7: I might say, oh my god, I'm not working till

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Speaker 7: three o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 6: But I know if I did that, I would not

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Speaker 6: be out.

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Speaker 7: I would I would be a very mean So it's

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Speaker 7: just finding that balance.

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Speaker 1: No, No, that is so helpful, and it is it's

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Speaker 1: so true, and I like, I think it's just so

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Speaker 1: incredible because it is so much about our mindset and

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Speaker 1: how we can take that mental load away and reframe things.

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Speaker 1: And it's yeah, like, if you can kind of hack

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Speaker 1: your mindset, you really can live a life that is

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Speaker 1: truly authentic to you and it can really look you know,

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: exactly how you want it. You've just got to be

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Speaker 1: able to catch yourself and reprogram it and reframe it.

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Speaker 1: And it is It's so beautiful because I do the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing where I'm like, you know, if I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to feel the mom guilt or you know, somethink

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Speaker 1: a work or this and that, and I have to

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Speaker 1: reframe and be like, no, Georgie, you wanted this, you

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Speaker 1: chose this, and now you're living out that you know

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Speaker 1: choice and that dream, and so like what's happening here?

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Speaker 2: And you yeah, you've.

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Speaker 1: Almost like that awareness is so so huge and it's

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Speaker 1: not there's not like a solution where it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you just do this and you don't feel guilt anymore

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Speaker 1: or you don't feel you know, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: It's about constantly catching yourself and also having these conversations

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Speaker 1: and talking about it. And that's why I think the

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Speaker 1: book is so so incredible. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for answering that. And just to finish off the interview,

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Speaker 1: I have just a couple of quick fire questions for

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Speaker 1: you guys, just something we always ask our guests. So,

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Speaker 1: what's the best advice you have ever received?

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Speaker 4: I think one thing that I often bring up, which

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Speaker 4: is just something that my mum drilled into me from

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Speaker 4: a very young age is to treat people how you

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Speaker 4: should be treated. And I think that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 4: I always do, but it's something that I have to

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Speaker 4: I really want. I value in myself when I do,

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Speaker 4: and I like it when other people do that as well,

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Speaker 4: and I try to surround myself with people who do

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Speaker 4: kind of practice that. So I think it is something

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Speaker 4: that's really important to me and something that has stuck

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Speaker 4: with me. Although the last time she said it to

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Speaker 4: me was probably when I was like eleven years old.

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Speaker 4: So it's something that I try and take through my

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Speaker 4: personal relationships, my work relationships, just to treat everyone equal

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Speaker 4: and to treat them how you wish to be treated.

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Speaker 7: I love that, and I think for me right in

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Speaker 7: this moment, it would be that we cannot control what

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Speaker 7: other people think of us, and that is very important

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Speaker 7: to remember and to not let that control you and

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Speaker 7: how you think of yourself.

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Speaker 1: That is so incredible, guys, you have been so amazing

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Speaker 1: to have on the show, and again, congratulations, this is

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Speaker 1: just so so incredible.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: You have to go out and get you take care.

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Speaker 1: We'll put all the links and everything in the show

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Speaker 1: notes because it's such a beautiful read, especially before bed.

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Speaker 1: That's what I found, Like, you know, it's something where

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Speaker 1: it's not going to it's not like read before this book,

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Speaker 1: I was reading a thriller, a romantic thriller.

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Speaker 2: It was really confusing.

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Speaker 1: So this has been so much nicer to digest before bed.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, no, it's really really incredible. But thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much. Do you want to just let the

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Speaker 1: audience know where they can find you or where they

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Speaker 1: can grab it?

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: We really really appreciate it's been so so nice to

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Speaker 7: chat to you. Yeah, seriously, the.

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Speaker 4: Book is that I mean you can get it from

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Speaker 4: book Topia but also all major bookstores as well.

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Speaker 6: It's there, which is so surreal.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you surreality is saying it a person. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you'd like to find out more about Kick,

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Speaker 4: our websites Keep it Cleaner dot com and we're at

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, ladies, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: listening to another episode of the Rise and Conker Podcast.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoyed it and.

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