WEBVTT - Melbourne Night Club Slammed For Using Animals As Props, Leave Ruby Tuesday Matthews Alone & Royal TikTok 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.080 Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:05.040 a trigger warning as we do discuss issues around animal 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:09.879 cruelty as well as eating disorders. On today's show, a 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.160 Melbourne nightclub is slammed for using animals as props. Ruby Tuesday, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.680 Matthews calls out influencer watchdog account for body shaming her 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.680 and how TikTok is helping the monarchy remain relevant. Hello 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.480 and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.040 And pop culture news twice a week. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.200 I'm Okay, Torbert, and I'm getting very excited because Sophie, 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.160 you may be my Hills neighbor soon. Yeah, I'm getting 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.960 ahead of myself. It's the first time my partner and 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.080 I have ever made an offer on a house, so 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.680 I'm already picturing myself in this house. I'm becoming a 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.080 new person, a Hills person, because I live forty minutes 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.360 away from U Kate, so you've been very eager to 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.440 try and get me in your area. That being said, 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.040 I think there might be other people interested in this 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:54.160 house that we have to beat out. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.240 Look, i think I'm going to be more disappointed for 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.000 you if this offer is not approved. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.800 We actually walked past the house the other day and 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.520 unfortunately it was pissing with rain. But I realized I've 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.959 become such an old person because I was noticing all 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.560 the beautiful trees on the street. Well, it's just such 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.280 a nightmare of a time to be looking for a 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.840 house because the interest rates are through the roof. So 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.040 I feel in a very privileged position that we're even 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.960 able to put an offer on a house at the moment. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.880 But it's yeah, I'm getting really excited, but I feel 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.080 like I'm in for a bit of a fall. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:23.600 We'll see. We'll keep you updated. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.960 It's pretty funny because our parents went and had a 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.920 look at the house over the weekend, and they're so 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.880 weird because they give the real estate agents a fake name. Well, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.640 the worst thing is that Mum came and looked at 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.240 the house with me a couple of weeks ago, so 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.240 they already know it's her. They said, ohso are you 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:39.520 looking for someone else. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.679 And she's like, oh, yeah, Mum's. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.200 Mum's strategy is that she will point out everything that's 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:45.840 wrong with the house. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.560 Because when Dale and I were looking. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.520 We'd walk into this house and she'd be like, there's 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.320 a crack and this is shit and this is terrible. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.040 And then we'd walk out and she go, I love it. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:54.440 You're like, well I thought you had. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.880 She rode a pros and cons this for this other 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.120 house that was near me, and I'm like, why are 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.640 you running all the cow I'm sensing it's time to 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.920 leave my rental because we've got some new neighbors and 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:10.760 they're lovely people, but they constantly have their garage door 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.240 up anytime I'm out the front. Oh hello, you know, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.799 there's all these times are you're going to have a conversation. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.160 I just want to get something in my car, So 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.080 basically they're just waiting in the garage to talk to you. Yeah, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.560 that is the difficulty with being friends with your neighborhood 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.960 because I'm on a street where everyone's really nice and 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.960 it's like kind of like a Ramsey Street atmosphere, but 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.440 it's almost annoying because sometimes you just want to pop 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.120 out of your house and go straight to the car 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.040 and not speak to anyone. But you're on the hills 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.320 where the houses are sort of far apart. I'm in 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.880 a townhouse situation when we share a war with these 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.920 people and it's just I'm over it. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.000 I've got to get. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:46.480 Out of it. Yeah. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.040 I think it's a sign that you need to leave. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.359 But two rights don't make your rights absolutely. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.200 Two rights don't make it wrong. Correct, two rights wrong. Yes. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.000 Melbourne night club Two Wrongs has come under fire for 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.639 using animals as props during their relaunch event on Saturday Night. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.760 Olivia Rodgers' new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse's pr agency is facing 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.960 criticism for the activation after organizing the exclusive, invite only event. Now, So, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.560 for those who aren't from Melbourne, can you explain more 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.680 about this venue yet? So? Two Wrongs is a restaurant 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.320 and a cocktail bar located on Chapel Street. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.120 I would also describe. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.240 It as a nightclub. It has a DJ and also 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.320 a huge dance floor. Now. Isaac Constantine and Zachary Riggs 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.960 are the founders of the venue. They also run a 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.000 string of other venues in Melbourne. Two Wrongs appears to 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.080 have been operating since twenty fifteen, but has undergone a 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.200 rebrand so. The new branding includes Japanese writing in the 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.119 logo and the menu is described as having a Japanese fusion. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.200 The rebrand is said to be inspired by the epic 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.320 battle of c and space whatever that means, and the 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.480 venue has been reimagined into the depths of underwater Neo 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.560 Tokyo now. The owners were interviewed back in twenty fifteen 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.360 about the venue and they said that people take things 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.640 so seriously in Melbourne in regards to hospitality, and they 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.680 like to have a lot of fun with their venues. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.279 He said they want to also provide a grungy experience 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.120 for their patrons while having a laugh too, explaining that 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.160 two Wrongs is for those who appreciate style and class, 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.839 as well as the option of playing Nintendo while you 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.240 wait for a table. Now. The venue also controversially back 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.520 in twenty fifteen promoted itself as having an all male 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.920 bartending lineup. Now, Olivia Rogers's new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse is 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.240 at the heart of this unfolding controversy. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.200 That's right, Kate, So just for some. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.840 Background, Olivia officially debuted her relationship with Morgan back in April, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:48.880 following weeks of speculation. Rumors are the couple actually started 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.720 dating back in December twenty twenty two, just a few 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.800 months after her shock split from her ex husband Justin 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.279 mckainn In October. Now, since Hard launching their relationship, Morgan 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.120 is a regular fixture on Olivia's Instagram. They recently attended 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.200 Australian Fashion Week together and they have shared their adventures 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.839 on a number of brand trips. Now, as well as 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.720 modeling and creating content, Morgan runs a PR agency called 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.280 Champagne Leila Now. The business doesn't have a website, which 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.839 is actually really odd for a PR agency, but it 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.359 does have an Instagram account and has a following of 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.600 nine thousand on Instagram. The business describes itself as specializing 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.360 in luxury PR, event hosting, VIP liaison and private parties. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.120 It also states that it partners with exclusive venues, restaurants, bars, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.400 events and brands across Australia. On his agency's Instagram, it 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.520 said this Saturday, twenty seventh of the fifth We Go 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.479 japan Now, whoever posted this, I think it is Morgan 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.719 chose to use Japanese characters for the word Japan, so 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.880 I think he meant to write this Saturday, we Go Japanese. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.360 The post continued, Lila takes on a collaboration with one 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.880 of our all time favorites. If you know, you know, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:02.000 strictly invite only Now. This was accompanied by a carousel 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.279 of very grungy photos of Japanese men and women either 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.280 smoking or giving the finger. The launch event was attended 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.760 by a sea of Melbourne influencers, predominantly micro influencers, and 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.080 to my absolute horror, the venue had reptiles at the 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.120 launch event for guests to pass around and take photos of. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.920 I was pretty taken aback when I saw this online now. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.360 It appeared to be a pr activation that Morgan Waterhouse's 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.760 company had set up, as he was really front and 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.840 center with the reptiles. So large snakes as well as 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.880 crocodiles were being used as gimmicks and being casually passed 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.080 around like props for influencers to take photos and videos 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.560 with to promote the venue. It was as though the 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.719 animals were being used as accessories. It was really gross. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.680 Another Instagram story shows a bald man with a baby 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.440 crocodile draped over his head while two people are taking 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.200 photos of him. This man is in fact the owner 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.040 of the business that supplied the reptiles to the nightclub. 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.479 So he is a Melbourne identity who goes by the 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.080 name of Snake Man. His real name is Raymond Hoser 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.479 We will touch on his reaction to this controversy later. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.320 It's quite disturbing that this man is actually the owner 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.560 of the reptiles and that's how he wants to treat them. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.960 Public is setting the tone for how the rest of 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.080 the patrons are going to react to the animals. When 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.320 I first saw this image of Morgan Waterhouse with the crocodile, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.040 I thought, is he over in Bali or something. And 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.040 I was shocked to hear that this was actually a 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.200 venue in Melbourne because even in the videos you can 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:32.680 hear the music is absolutely pumping. Surely these animals are petrified. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.200 I just felt so sorry for them. There is a 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.400 lot of confusion with snakes because a lot of people 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.080 assume they're deaf because they don't have exterior ears. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:40.760 But I did some. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.680 Research into it, and they have two auditory pathways that 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.840 enable them to detect sounds as vibrations through the air 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.240 and in the ground. Experts say the snakes are very 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.679 sensitive to loud noises and it can cause stress in snakes, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.480 which can lead to major health problems. It's similar for crocodiles. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.200 A lot of loud noises cause stress, and crocodiles actually 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.480 have excellent hearing, so it can also lead to the 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.400 crocodile being aggressive if there's a lot of loud noise. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.200 And I'm assuming the flashing lights wouldn't have been great 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.160 for these animals either. They would have been absolutely petrified. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.760 Not to mention that everyone was getting free drinks, so 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.360 they were probably drunk when they're handling the animals. It's 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.200 not like you're going to be very careful with them 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.480 in that situation. It does worry me having animals in 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.880 these sorts of environments because you don't know if animals 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.640 are being fed these drinks or the food that's around 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.160 the place. It doesn't appear to be much care was 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.080 being taken with them. I wonder what insurance this company 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.280 has because I know with petting zoos that go to 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.280 different parties like kids parties, they have different liabilities and 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.560 also the venue liabilities as well. And also I've heard 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.040 that it's really hard to get insurance, especially if those 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.760 animals and a petting zoo are around drunk people. Yeah, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.120 it hasn't been a good couple of days for two 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.079 wrongs because in addition to this animal controversy, the nightclub 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.320 has also been accused of cultural appropriation with a number 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.720 of staff dressed as geishas. So, for those who don't know, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.480 Geishas are Japanese performers who are trained in traditional Japanese 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.080 performing art styles like dance, music, and singing. They're also 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.920 known for being proficient hosts, so it's unclear if the 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:18.160 workers dressed as Geishas were Japanese or workers appropriating the culture. Now. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.559 We first sparked discussion in our Facebook community on Sunday 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.520 night about this event, and consequently it was picked up 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.400 by Ozzie influencer Opinions and also Tea Time with members 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.040 absolutely outraged by these photos and many found the images 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.680 very distressing and enraging. Now. Two Wrongs page became flooded 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.480 with negative comments after this. One user wrote passing around 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.440 animals in a bar is just cruel, great rebrand, while 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.920 another wrote cultural appropriation to promote your club is one thing, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.720 but using animals as a prop to be passed around 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.360 is fucking gross. Yuck. Now. In response to the backlash, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:58.080 Two Wrongs quickly untagged all the Instagram stories which featured 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:03.240 the reptiles. Unfortunately, Morgan Waterhouse didn't appear to get the memo, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.480 so his PR agency still had the Instagram stories with 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.400 the animals up. He is on a trip at the moment, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.120 a sponsored trip with Olivia Rodgers, so I don't know 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.000 if the messages were coming through. Now Olivia wasn't at 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.520 this event though, was she No, but her best friend 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.360 and stylist Paul Versaci, who actually introduced Olivia and Morgan, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.520 he was at the event, which surprised me. The rest 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.760 of the influencers there was pretty much made up of 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.640 a lot of micro influencers. There weren't too many big 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.320 names that I recognized. And now you said Paul was there, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.240 but he was also photographed with the snake around his neck, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.079 which wasn't a good look for him. It definitely wasn't. Now, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.640 prominent animal protection group called Community Representations of Crocodiles is 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.920 calling for an investigation into the incident. Now. This is 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.120 a group that is supported by Bob Irwin. A spokesperson 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.240 for the group slammed it as irresponsible and said nature 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.199 protection rules need to be updated to combat wildlife interactions 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.160 in social media. Now, another prominent animal actor, Bailey Mason, 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.320 who goes by the name Warrior for Animals, also called 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.680 out the venue. Now, you may have heard of Bailey 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.959 because he's got fifteen thousand followers, and he sparked global 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.760 anger about live dolphins being used in avatar II promotions, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.559 so he actually contacted Two Wrongs directly about what he 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.280 called animal cruelty and exploitation. So a spokesperson for the 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.520 venue responded, writing, Hey, Bailey, thank you for the message. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.199 We did our due diligence with the animal events company 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.760 and they ensured the environment was safe. But we take 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.199 your feedback very seriously, and upon reflection on the event, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.400 we will not be having animals in the bar for 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.240 future events like these. I appreciate the amicable message, Bailey, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.959 Please consider this event as a lesson learned. I scroll 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.120 through your page and support all the work and love 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.959 you put into animal safety. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.560 What does everyone think of the response? 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.600 Well, I think it's pretty good for a private message. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.240 I'm assuming the owner thought it may be shared publicly, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.600 so that's why he wrote such a good message back. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.560 I think it's an okay message, but I think that 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.760 there needs to be an official statement put out by 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.040 Two Wrongs. Is now a lot of press attention around 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.719 this story. I am wondering whether Morgan's PR team is 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.640 going to put something together for him in the next. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.199 Couple of hours. I'll be too busy on holiday. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.599 I just wonder, though, did they do their due diligence 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.480 with this company, this event's company, because the handler, Raymond, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.920 he's come out and he's given a statement to Yahoo 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.520 News and he said everyone had a fantastic time. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.880 The snakes look happy, the people look happy. What the 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.360 fuck is wrong with that? I mean, that's. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.600 Hardly a professional comment, is it. It really makes you think, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.640 what's going on with this company. It doesn't appear that 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.400 Raymond has a great reputation in the industry. He did 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.720 also tell Yahoo that the snakes are decades old, and 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.360 he was referencing that to say that they're very comfortable 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.840 interacting with humans. He's taken a lot of care with them. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.480 He also says that criticism stems from a misunderstanding about reptiles. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.960 He also bizarrely added into the interview that he was 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.720 recently criticized for taping an animal's mouth shut at a venue. See, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.319 that's not making things any better. I always wonder how 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.640 these sorts of controversies end up happening, because surely there 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.320 are a lot of people involved in the decision making process. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.360 You've got Morgan Waterhouse's pr company, who have clearly pitched 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.040 the idea. Then you've got Two Wrongs and their owners 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.640 that have approved it, particularly when this isn't a new 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.520 thing in the nightclub space, because back in twenty nineteen, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.960 a Melbourne nightclub was under investigation for having a live 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.120 pony inside its venue as part of an opening night promotion. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.880 Now it's pretty gross because this pony was dressed up 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.040 in a pink cowboy hat and on its back it 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.240 had the words pony is back bitch written in ink. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.960 The RSPCA confirmed at the time that it was investigating 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.240 and so the animals used in performances must be treated 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.880 with respect and not objectified or subjected to indignity or ridicule. 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.920 There was also another recent event at Maurice Jones Coo 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.280 where they featured parrots at the event, and in the past, 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.840 as you mentioned, Ami, we have seen animals appearing at 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.200 nightclubs in Bali. I just can't believe in twenty twenty 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.040 three venues think that this is acceptable, particularly for venues 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.679 like Two Wrongs. You have had a lot of experience 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.720 in the game. They've been in the industry since at 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.600 least twenty fifteen. Now we touch on the fact that 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.360 Olivia wasn't at this event, But what do you guys 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.480 think would have happened if she had been pictured with 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.720 some of these animals, because we have seen recently what 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.240 a battering Emmclair has received after she revealed she'd killed 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.079 two cats. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:18.440 As a child. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.239 Maybe she was at the event and just didn't get photographed, 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.880 because I highly doubt she wouldn't be there to support Morgan. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.640 She seems to be at so many events with him recently. Well, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.800 it looked like she had an event on with another 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.920 friend that night. Luckily I was watching eagerly on because 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.320 I thought, oh, maybe she's going to meet up with 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.520 him after, and I was thinking this would be a 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.560 terrible look for her because there's so many brands that 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.080 do not rightfully want to be connected with any sort 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.280 of animal cruelty. The ironic thing is that if Morgan 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.240 wasn't dating Olivia, I don't think as many people would 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.520 have even known about this event, and they wouldn't have 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.000 seen the images online, and he wouldn't be copying this 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.160 flag now. Well, for him, he has been a micro 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.440 influencer for a long time. He has gained a couple 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.880 of extra thousand followers ince it's hard launching his relationship 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.160 with Olivia, So I think it will be a learning 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.040 curve for him that what he does is going to 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.120 make news now, and it is a reflection on his girlfriend, Olivia, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.840 who has a big following, so he needs to be 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.360 careful with what he does. I don't think this has 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.080 anything to do with it. I'm not saying it does, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.560 but it reflects on her because they're so closely linked. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.600 He's become a part of her personal brand. I know, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.240 but I think it's a bit unfair to blame somebody 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.160 like a living I'm not her boyfriend's action. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.040 I'm not blaming her. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.520 I'm saying it reflects on her because she they are 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.600 so closely linked. I don't think anyone's blaming Olivia here. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.240 She didn't even attend the event. But I think it 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.120 is an interesting conversation about personal brand and the fact 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.680 that who you choose to date, unfortunately does reflect on 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.760 you when they do something like this. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.160 Alao is on my forty thousand dollars tennis court. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.080 You are confrontational and aggressive. Yeah, all right. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:53.720 I don't particularly want to talk to you. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.440 Because I actually get offended even looking at you down. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.280 It doesn't look Ruby Tuesday Matthews has called out influencer 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.000 watchdog account dutch Minti for body shaming her. The Byron 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.200 Bay fashion designer revealed she's struggling with her mental health 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.800 and has called for the hate to stop. No, Kate, 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.480 how did this all start? Well, it's quite clear from 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.120 following the account dutch Minty that they have some beef 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.320 with Ruby Tuesday Matthews. They normally are quite balanced with 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.160 their posts, but it can get very snarky when they 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.640 talk about Ruby Tuesday Matthews and also Sophie Gwidolin Now. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.560 A few weeks back, the account was very vocal about 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.240 calling out Ruby about her brand's hat promotion, which featured 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.360 a photo of her son that many believed was exploitative. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.080 More recently, during a Q and A, they commented on 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.160 Ruby's thin frame and shared a photo of her postpartum 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.120 weight loss. The account concluded many people are of the 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.600 opinion she has an eating disorder. Now. Ruby responded to 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.920 dutch Minty, sharing screenshots from the Q and a. She 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.120 wrote to the page that constantly bullshits and smears hate 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.360 against me. You have absolutely no idea what I'm currently 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.720 going through. I can tell you I'm not okay. I 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.040 had a baby seven months ago and went back to 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.360 work three days later, packing thousands of orders for our 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.160 small business that you tried to boycott a week ago. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:12.360 Again, I have. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.040 Been very transparent, seeking help and trying my best. I'm 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.040 currently working two jobs and looking after three children that 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.760 I have taken one hundred percent of the time for 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.360 reasons I keep private. She then went on to say 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.440 that she receives horrible messages off the back of comments 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:31.240 and speculation that Dutch Minty makes about her. Ruby also 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.520 asks a page to stop commenting on the way she 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.359 looks and said, I understand I'm. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.160 Very thin due to serious stress. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.840 The pictures that you have attached above are right after 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.399 I lost a baby at sixteen weeks. Please leave me alone. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.240 She reiterated that she has always been thin, but is 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.040 currently thinner due to her current life situation. She further 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.760 explained that as she is the sole provider and primary 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.040 caregiver for her two children from a previous relationship, she 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.000 doesn't have the option to take a break. She wrote, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.439 family therapy is not cheap, pediatricians are not cheap. I 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.560 need to continue to work, and for me, this is 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.119 my line of work. She followed up by sharing a 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.200 photo of her breastfeeding her daughter holiday as she packed 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.719 orders for her business. She wrote, breastfeeding and packing orders, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.960 this is what a small business looks like. I just 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.960 don't understand you. Why you want to rip me down 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.760 so much, kicking me when I'm down. It literally never 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.600 stops now. Dutch Minti shared Ruby's response to her feed, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.600 and she was slammed in the comments section. Many people 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.399 said they were unfollowing the page, while others called for 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.159 dutch Minti to leave Ruby alone. I think it's a 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.119 really interesting topic because we have obviously discussed Ruby Tuesday, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.960 Matthew's most recent brand controversy. And I think when you 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.840 open up your life as an influencer, you are inviting 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.480 people to have opinions about your life. But I do 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.360 think that there is a line, and I don't think 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.640 it's anyone's business to speculate on someone's weight. I thought 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.920 in twenty twenty three we will pass commenting on women's bodies. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.440 I think a lot of these pages do take it 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.040 too far sometimes, and I think, as you said, Kate, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.640 there is definitely a line, and I know when we 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.560 discuss topics we're going to talk about, we talk about 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.880 that line, we say no, that's not appropriate. I think 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.600 there needs to be more management of this because because 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.360 it has this anonymous nature, as we've discussed many times, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.240 these people feel like they can say anything without any repercussion. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.359 I think these pages also have to take the influencer's 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.200 mental health on board. Again, it's about discussing the issue, 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.399 not discussing the person. And it's quite clear that Ruby 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.480 is struggling at the moment. Yes, her brand campaign wasn't it. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.600 It wasn't good, But it doesn't mean it gives people 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.480 this green light to continue to bully her and comment 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.199 on her weight and her appearance and her mothering. It 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.280 is interesting to have her behind the scenes perspective of 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.679 the amount of hate that Ruby has received off the 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.879 back of this page because I think a lot of 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.119