Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue
Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we do discuss issues around animal
Speaker 1: cruelty as well as eating disorders. On today's show, a
Speaker 1: Melbourne nightclub is slammed for using animals as props. Ruby Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Matthews calls out influencer watchdog account for body shaming her
Speaker 1: and how TikTok is helping the monarchy remain relevant. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer.
Speaker 2: And pop culture news twice a week.
Speaker 1: I'm Okay, Torbert, and I'm getting very excited because Sophie,
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Speaker 2: Look, i think I'm going to be more disappointed for
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Speaker 1: But it's yeah, I'm getting really excited, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in for a bit of a fall.
Speaker 2: We'll see. We'll keep you updated.
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Speaker 1: that is the difficulty with being friends with your neighborhood
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Speaker 1: Out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's a sign that you need to leave.
Speaker 2: But two rights don't make your rights absolutely.
Speaker 1: Two rights don't make it wrong. Correct, two rights wrong. Yes.
Speaker 1: Melbourne night club Two Wrongs has come under fire for
Speaker 1: using animals as props during their relaunch event on Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers' new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse's pr agency is facing
Speaker 1: criticism for the activation after organizing the exclusive, invite only event. Now, So,
Speaker 1: for those who aren't from Melbourne, can you explain more
Speaker 1: about this venue yet? So? Two Wrongs is a restaurant
Speaker 1: and a cocktail bar located on Chapel Street.
Speaker 2: I would also describe.
Speaker 1: It as a nightclub. It has a DJ and also
Speaker 1: a huge dance floor. Now. Isaac Constantine and Zachary Riggs
Speaker 1: are the founders of the venue. They also run a
Speaker 1: string of other venues in Melbourne. Two Wrongs appears to
Speaker 1: have been operating since twenty fifteen, but has undergone a
Speaker 1: rebrand so. The new branding includes Japanese writing in the
Speaker 1: logo and the menu is described as having a Japanese fusion.
Speaker 1: The rebrand is said to be inspired by the epic
Speaker 1: battle of c and space whatever that means, and the
Speaker 1: venue has been reimagined into the depths of underwater Neo
Speaker 1: Tokyo now. The owners were interviewed back in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: about the venue and they said that people take things
Speaker 1: so seriously in Melbourne in regards to hospitality, and they
Speaker 1: like to have a lot of fun with their venues.
Speaker 1: He said they want to also provide a grungy experience
Speaker 1: for their patrons while having a laugh too, explaining that
Speaker 1: two Wrongs is for those who appreciate style and class,
Speaker 1: as well as the option of playing Nintendo while you
Speaker 1: wait for a table. Now. The venue also controversially back
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen promoted itself as having an all male
Speaker 1: bartending lineup. Now, Olivia Rogers's new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse is
Speaker 1: at the heart of this unfolding controversy.
Speaker 2: That's right, Kate, So just for some.
Speaker 1: Background, Olivia officially debuted her relationship with Morgan back in April,
Speaker 1: following weeks of speculation. Rumors are the couple actually started
Speaker 1: dating back in December twenty twenty two, just a few
Speaker 1: months after her shock split from her ex husband Justin
Speaker 1: mckainn In October. Now, since Hard launching their relationship, Morgan
Speaker 1: is a regular fixture on Olivia's Instagram. They recently attended
Speaker 1: Australian Fashion Week together and they have shared their adventures
Speaker 1: on a number of brand trips. Now, as well as
Speaker 1: modeling and creating content, Morgan runs a PR agency called
Speaker 1: Champagne Leila Now. The business doesn't have a website, which
Speaker 1: is actually really odd for a PR agency, but it
Speaker 1: does have an Instagram account and has a following of
Speaker 1: nine thousand on Instagram. The business describes itself as specializing
Speaker 1: in luxury PR, event hosting, VIP liaison and private parties.
Speaker 1: It also states that it partners with exclusive venues, restaurants, bars,
Speaker 1: events and brands across Australia. On his agency's Instagram, it
Speaker 1: said this Saturday, twenty seventh of the fifth We Go
Speaker 1: japan Now, whoever posted this, I think it is Morgan
Speaker 1: chose to use Japanese characters for the word Japan, so
Speaker 1: I think he meant to write this Saturday, we Go Japanese.
Speaker 1: The post continued, Lila takes on a collaboration with one
Speaker 1: of our all time favorites. If you know, you know,
Speaker 1: strictly invite only Now. This was accompanied by a carousel
Speaker 1: of very grungy photos of Japanese men and women either
Speaker 1: smoking or giving the finger. The launch event was attended
Speaker 1: by a sea of Melbourne influencers, predominantly micro influencers, and
Speaker 1: to my absolute horror, the venue had reptiles at the
Speaker 1: launch event for guests to pass around and take photos of.
Speaker 1: I was pretty taken aback when I saw this online now.
Speaker 1: It appeared to be a pr activation that Morgan Waterhouse's
Speaker 1: company had set up, as he was really front and
Speaker 1: center with the reptiles. So large snakes as well as
Speaker 1: crocodiles were being used as gimmicks and being casually passed
Speaker 1: around like props for influencers to take photos and videos
Speaker 1: with to promote the venue. It was as though the
Speaker 1: animals were being used as accessories. It was really gross.
Speaker 1: Another Instagram story shows a bald man with a baby
Speaker 1: crocodile draped over his head while two people are taking
Speaker 1: photos of him. This man is in fact the owner
Speaker 1: of the business that supplied the reptiles to the nightclub.
Speaker 1: So he is a Melbourne identity who goes by the
Speaker 1: name of Snake Man. His real name is Raymond Hoser
Speaker 1: We will touch on his reaction to this controversy later.
Speaker 1: It's quite disturbing that this man is actually the owner
Speaker 1: of the reptiles and that's how he wants to treat them.
Speaker 1: Public is setting the tone for how the rest of
Speaker 1: the patrons are going to react to the animals. When
Speaker 1: I first saw this image of Morgan Waterhouse with the crocodile,
Speaker 1: I thought, is he over in Bali or something. And
Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear that this was actually a
Speaker 1: venue in Melbourne because even in the videos you can
Speaker 1: hear the music is absolutely pumping. Surely these animals are petrified.
Speaker 1: I just felt so sorry for them. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of confusion with snakes because a lot of people
Speaker 1: assume they're deaf because they don't have exterior ears.
Speaker 2: But I did some.
Speaker 1: Research into it, and they have two auditory pathways that
Speaker 1: enable them to detect sounds as vibrations through the air
Speaker 1: and in the ground. Experts say the snakes are very
Speaker 1: sensitive to loud noises and it can cause stress in snakes,
Speaker 1: which can lead to major health problems. It's similar for crocodiles.
Speaker 1: A lot of loud noises cause stress, and crocodiles actually
Speaker 1: have excellent hearing, so it can also lead to the
Speaker 1: crocodile being aggressive if there's a lot of loud noise.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming the flashing lights wouldn't have been great
Speaker 1: for these animals either. They would have been absolutely petrified.
Speaker 1: Not to mention that everyone was getting free drinks, so
Speaker 1: they were probably drunk when they're handling the animals. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're going to be very careful with them
Speaker 1: in that situation. It does worry me having animals in
Speaker 1: these sorts of environments because you don't know if animals
Speaker 1: are being fed these drinks or the food that's around
Speaker 1: the place. It doesn't appear to be much care was
Speaker 1: being taken with them. I wonder what insurance this company
Speaker 1: has because I know with petting zoos that go to
Speaker 1: different parties like kids parties, they have different liabilities and
Speaker 1: also the venue liabilities as well. And also I've heard
Speaker 1: that it's really hard to get insurance, especially if those
Speaker 1: animals and a petting zoo are around drunk people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a good couple of days for two
Speaker 1: wrongs because in addition to this animal controversy, the nightclub
Speaker 1: has also been accused of cultural appropriation with a number
Speaker 1: of staff dressed as geishas. So, for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: Geishas are Japanese performers who are trained in traditional Japanese
Speaker 1: performing art styles like dance, music, and singing. They're also
Speaker 1: known for being proficient hosts, so it's unclear if the
Speaker 1: workers dressed as Geishas were Japanese or workers appropriating the culture. Now.
Speaker 1: We first sparked discussion in our Facebook community on Sunday
Speaker 1: night about this event, and consequently it was picked up
Speaker 1: by Ozzie influencer Opinions and also Tea Time with members
Speaker 1: absolutely outraged by these photos and many found the images
Speaker 1: very distressing and enraging. Now. Two Wrongs page became flooded
Speaker 1: with negative comments after this. One user wrote passing around
Speaker 1: animals in a bar is just cruel, great rebrand, while
Speaker 1: another wrote cultural appropriation to promote your club is one thing,
Speaker 1: but using animals as a prop to be passed around
Speaker 1: is fucking gross. Yuck. Now. In response to the backlash,
Speaker 1: Two Wrongs quickly untagged all the Instagram stories which featured
Speaker 1: the reptiles. Unfortunately, Morgan Waterhouse didn't appear to get the memo,
Speaker 1: so his PR agency still had the Instagram stories with
Speaker 1: the animals up. He is on a trip at the moment,
Speaker 1: a sponsored trip with Olivia Rodgers, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if the messages were coming through. Now Olivia wasn't at
Speaker 1: this event though, was she No, but her best friend
Speaker 1: and stylist Paul Versaci, who actually introduced Olivia and Morgan,
Speaker 1: he was at the event, which surprised me. The rest
Speaker 1: of the influencers there was pretty much made up of
Speaker 1: a lot of micro influencers. There weren't too many big
Speaker 1: names that I recognized. And now you said Paul was there,
Speaker 1: but he was also photographed with the snake around his neck,
Speaker 1: which wasn't a good look for him. It definitely wasn't. Now,
Speaker 1: prominent animal protection group called Community Representations of Crocodiles is
Speaker 1: calling for an investigation into the incident. Now. This is
Speaker 1: a group that is supported by Bob Irwin. A spokesperson
Speaker 1: for the group slammed it as irresponsible and said nature
Speaker 1: protection rules need to be updated to combat wildlife interactions
Speaker 1: in social media. Now, another prominent animal actor, Bailey Mason,
Speaker 1: who goes by the name Warrior for Animals, also called
Speaker 1: out the venue. Now, you may have heard of Bailey
Speaker 1: because he's got fifteen thousand followers, and he sparked global
Speaker 1: anger about live dolphins being used in avatar II promotions,
Speaker 1: so he actually contacted Two Wrongs directly about what he
Speaker 1: called animal cruelty and exploitation. So a spokesperson for the
Speaker 1: venue responded, writing, Hey, Bailey, thank you for the message.
Speaker 1: We did our due diligence with the animal events company
Speaker 1: and they ensured the environment was safe. But we take
Speaker 1: your feedback very seriously, and upon reflection on the event,
Speaker 1: we will not be having animals in the bar for
Speaker 1: future events like these. I appreciate the amicable message, Bailey,
Speaker 1: Please consider this event as a lesson learned. I scroll
Speaker 1: through your page and support all the work and love
Speaker 1: you put into animal safety.
Speaker 2: What does everyone think of the response?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's pretty good for a private message.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming the owner thought it may be shared publicly,
Speaker 1: so that's why he wrote such a good message back.
Speaker 1: I think it's an okay message, but I think that
Speaker 1: there needs to be an official statement put out by
Speaker 1: Two Wrongs. Is now a lot of press attention around
Speaker 1: this story. I am wondering whether Morgan's PR team is
Speaker 1: going to put something together for him in the next.
Speaker 2: Couple of hours. I'll be too busy on holiday.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, though, did they do their due diligence
Speaker 1: with this company, this event's company, because the handler, Raymond,
Speaker 1: he's come out and he's given a statement to Yahoo
Speaker 1: News and he said everyone had a fantastic time.
Speaker 2: The snakes look happy, the people look happy. What the
Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with that? I mean, that's.
Speaker 1: Hardly a professional comment, is it. It really makes you think,
Speaker 1: what's going on with this company. It doesn't appear that
Speaker 1: Raymond has a great reputation in the industry. He did
Speaker 1: also tell Yahoo that the snakes are decades old, and
Speaker 1: he was referencing that to say that they're very comfortable
Speaker 1: interacting with humans. He's taken a lot of care with them.
Speaker 1: He also says that criticism stems from a misunderstanding about reptiles.
Speaker 1: He also bizarrely added into the interview that he was
Speaker 1: recently criticized for taping an animal's mouth shut at a venue. See,
Speaker 1: that's not making things any better. I always wonder how
Speaker 1: these sorts of controversies end up happening, because surely there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people involved in the decision making process.
Speaker 1: You've got Morgan Waterhouse's pr company, who have clearly pitched
Speaker 1: the idea. Then you've got Two Wrongs and their owners
Speaker 1: that have approved it, particularly when this isn't a new
Speaker 1: thing in the nightclub space, because back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: a Melbourne nightclub was under investigation for having a live
Speaker 1: pony inside its venue as part of an opening night promotion.
Speaker 1: Now it's pretty gross because this pony was dressed up
Speaker 1: in a pink cowboy hat and on its back it
Speaker 1: had the words pony is back bitch written in ink.
Speaker 1: The RSPCA confirmed at the time that it was investigating
Speaker 1: and so the animals used in performances must be treated
Speaker 1: with respect and not objectified or subjected to indignity or ridicule.
Speaker 1: There was also another recent event at Maurice Jones Coo
Speaker 1: where they featured parrots at the event, and in the past,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Ami, we have seen animals appearing at
Speaker 1: nightclubs in Bali. I just can't believe in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three venues think that this is acceptable, particularly for venues
Speaker 1: like Two Wrongs. You have had a lot of experience
Speaker 1: in the game. They've been in the industry since at
Speaker 1: least twenty fifteen. Now we touch on the fact that
Speaker 1: Olivia wasn't at this event, But what do you guys
Speaker 1: think would have happened if she had been pictured with
Speaker 1: some of these animals, because we have seen recently what
Speaker 1: a battering Emmclair has received after she revealed she'd killed
Speaker 1: two cats.
Speaker 2: As a child.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was at the event and just didn't get photographed,
Speaker 1: because I highly doubt she wouldn't be there to support Morgan.
Speaker 1: She seems to be at so many events with him recently. Well,
Speaker 1: it looked like she had an event on with another
Speaker 1: friend that night. Luckily I was watching eagerly on because
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, maybe she's going to meet up with
Speaker 1: him after, and I was thinking this would be a
Speaker 1: terrible look for her because there's so many brands that
Speaker 1: do not rightfully want to be connected with any sort
Speaker 1: of animal cruelty. The ironic thing is that if Morgan
Speaker 1: wasn't dating Olivia, I don't think as many people would
Speaker 1: have even known about this event, and they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: seen the images online, and he wouldn't be copying this
Speaker 1: flag now. Well, for him, he has been a micro
Speaker 1: influencer for a long time. He has gained a couple
Speaker 1: of extra thousand followers ince it's hard launching his relationship
Speaker 1: with Olivia, So I think it will be a learning
Speaker 1: curve for him that what he does is going to
Speaker 1: make news now, and it is a reflection on his girlfriend, Olivia,
Speaker 1: who has a big following, so he needs to be
Speaker 1: careful with what he does. I don't think this has
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. I'm not saying it does,
Speaker 1: but it reflects on her because they're so closely linked.
Speaker 1: He's become a part of her personal brand. I know,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a bit unfair to blame somebody
Speaker 1: like a living I'm not her boyfriend's action.
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming her.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it reflects on her because she they are
Speaker 1: so closely linked. I don't think anyone's blaming Olivia here.
Speaker 1: She didn't even attend the event. But I think it
Speaker 1: is an interesting conversation about personal brand and the fact
Speaker 1: that who you choose to date, unfortunately does reflect on
Speaker 1: you when they do something like this.
Speaker 2: Alao is on my forty thousand dollars tennis court.
Speaker 1: You are confrontational and aggressive. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Because I actually get offended even looking at you down.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look Ruby Tuesday Matthews has called out influencer
Speaker 1: watchdog account dutch Minti for body shaming her. The Byron
Speaker 1: Bay fashion designer revealed she's struggling with her mental health
Speaker 1: and has called for the hate to stop. No, Kate,
Speaker 1: how did this all start? Well, it's quite clear from
Speaker 1: following the account dutch Minty that they have some beef
Speaker 1: with Ruby Tuesday Matthews. They normally are quite balanced with
Speaker 1: their posts, but it can get very snarky when they
Speaker 1: talk about Ruby Tuesday Matthews and also Sophie Gwidolin Now.
Speaker 1: A few weeks back, the account was very vocal about
Speaker 1: calling out Ruby about her brand's hat promotion, which featured
Speaker 1: a photo of her son that many believed was exploitative.
Speaker 1: More recently, during a Q and A, they commented on
Speaker 1: Ruby's thin frame and shared a photo of her postpartum
Speaker 1: weight loss. The account concluded many people are of the
Speaker 1: opinion she has an eating disorder. Now. Ruby responded to
Speaker 1: dutch Minty, sharing screenshots from the Q and a. She
Speaker 1: wrote to the page that constantly bullshits and smears hate
Speaker 1: against me. You have absolutely no idea what I'm currently
Speaker 1: going through. I can tell you I'm not okay. I
Speaker 1: had a baby seven months ago and went back to
Speaker 1: work three days later, packing thousands of orders for our
Speaker 1: small business that you tried to boycott a week ago.
Speaker 2: Again, I have.
Speaker 1: Been very transparent, seeking help and trying my best. I'm
Speaker 1: currently working two jobs and looking after three children that
Speaker 1: I have taken one hundred percent of the time for
Speaker 1: reasons I keep private. She then went on to say
Speaker 1: that she receives horrible messages off the back of comments
Speaker 1: and speculation that Dutch Minty makes about her. Ruby also
Speaker 1: asks a page to stop commenting on the way she
Speaker 1: looks and said, I understand I'm.
Speaker 2: Very thin due to serious stress.
Speaker 1: The pictures that you have attached above are right after
Speaker 1: I lost a baby at sixteen weeks. Please leave me alone.
Speaker 1: She reiterated that she has always been thin, but is
Speaker 1: currently thinner due to her current life situation. She further
Speaker 1: explained that as she is the sole provider and primary
Speaker 1: caregiver for her two children from a previous relationship, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have the option to take a break. She wrote,
Speaker 1: family therapy is not cheap, pediatricians are not cheap. I
Speaker 1: need to continue to work, and for me, this is
Speaker 1: my line of work. She followed up by sharing a
Speaker 1: photo of her breastfeeding her daughter holiday as she packed
Speaker 1: orders for her business. She wrote, breastfeeding and packing orders,
Speaker 1: this is what a small business looks like. I just
Speaker 1: don't understand you. Why you want to rip me down
Speaker 1: so much, kicking me when I'm down. It literally never
Speaker 1: stops now. Dutch Minti shared Ruby's response to her feed,
Speaker 1: and she was slammed in the comments section. Many people
Speaker 1: said they were unfollowing the page, while others called for
Speaker 1: dutch Minti to leave Ruby alone. I think it's a
Speaker 1: really interesting topic because we have obviously discussed Ruby Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Matthew's most recent brand controversy. And I think when you
Speaker 1: open up your life as an influencer, you are inviting
Speaker 1: people to have opinions about your life. But I do
Speaker 1: think that there is a line, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's anyone's business to speculate on someone's weight. I thought
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three we will pass commenting on women's bodies.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these pages do take it
Speaker 1: too far sometimes, and I think, as you said, Kate,
Speaker 1: there is definitely a line, and I know when we
Speaker 1: discuss topics we're going to talk about, we talk about
Speaker 1: that line, we say no, that's not appropriate. I think
Speaker 1: there needs to be more management of this because because
Speaker 1: it has this anonymous nature, as we've discussed many times,
Speaker 1: these people feel like they can say anything without any repercussion.
Speaker 1: I think these pages also have to take the influencer's
Speaker 1: mental health on board. Again, it's about discussing the issue,
Speaker 1: not discussing the person. And it's quite clear that Ruby
Speaker 1: is struggling at the moment. Yes, her brand campaign wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, But it doesn't mean it gives people
Speaker 1: this green light to continue to bully her and comment
Speaker 1: on her weight and her appearance and her mothering. It
Speaker 1: is interesting to have her behind the scenes perspective of
Speaker 1: the amount of hate that Ruby has received off the
Speaker 1: back of this page because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the time, in particular with the new laws that are
Speaker 1: coming in place, companies or entities like this, they have
Speaker 1: to manage their comment section to ensure that there's not
Speaker 1: bullying or her. But you can't control, really if that's
Speaker 1: going to then generate hate in the DMS. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think by dutch Minty adding Ruby's response to the
Speaker 1: Q and A on her feed, she thought she was
Speaker 1: going to be supported. She thought that that comment section
Speaker 1: was going to be like, oh, you know, bagging out Ruby,
Speaker 1: But it was the complete opposite. And I actually found
Speaker 1: that a really positive thing because it shows that people
Speaker 1: aren't just blindly following these pages, that they are actually
Speaker 1: challenging what is said on there exactly. And I think
Speaker 1: maybe some of these page owners might think, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: everyone's backing one hundred percent what I've saying. I've got
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of followers, but a lot of them
Speaker 1: are just there for the gossip, and they will turn
Speaker 1: on the account owner. I also think it's great that
Speaker 1: Ruby was able to humanize herself, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why so many people resonated with that post.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that Ruby can humanize herself, whereas
Speaker 1: this anonymous person on this page can't really humanize themselves.
Speaker 1: I think that's why everyone has been sticking up for Ruby,
Speaker 1: and I think that everyone knows a line has been crossed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just a bit over these anonymous accounts wielding so
Speaker 1: much power.
Speaker 2: I'm all for them.
Speaker 1: Holding influences to account. But when it comes to bullying
Speaker 1: and directing trolls to influencers, I think enough is enough.
Speaker 2: We will Behave you think yeah?
Speaker 1: Yes? Gives that? Yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Sympathy British of it. The Royal Family is experiencing a
Speaker 1: resurgence of popularity thanks to TikTok. Prior to the coronation,
Speaker 1: interest in the Royal family was waning, but that appears
Speaker 1: to have changed so interestingly. Twelve days before King Charles's coronation,
Speaker 1: stats showed in the UK that seventy eight percent of
Speaker 1: over sixty five's backed the monarchy, or just thirty two
Speaker 1: percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds did. The
Speaker 1: survey also revealed more people and not interested in the
Speaker 1: Royal family than interested in them. However, this has all
Speaker 1: changed so according to The Daily Mirror Royal editor Russell Myers,
Speaker 1: the Royal Family are beginning to appeal to jen Zea's
Speaker 1: thanks to TikTok, and this could be exactly what they
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 2: Keep the crown going.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Kate Middleton is a very important part of
Speaker 1: trying to get the younger generation interested in the Royal family.
Speaker 1: She's been called their secret weapon, and has recently been
Speaker 1: voted the favorite working royal in a recent opinion poll.
Speaker 1: It's ironic because we never actually hear Kate Riddleton talking
Speaker 1: about anything. Sorry, I love Megan and I'm a huge
Speaker 1: Kate Middleton fan. I think that this survey has been
Speaker 1: done on me, because as soon as the coronation happened,
Speaker 1: my TikTok feed was full of Kate Middleton and I've
Speaker 1: eaten it all up.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: We do hear a talking, we hear talking to the
Speaker 1: people who are waiting in line to greet her, and
Speaker 1: she is lovely. I follow the Prince and Princess of
Speaker 1: Wales on Instagram and their pr team has done an
Speaker 1: amazing job. That videography job. I'm actually so jealous. I
Speaker 1: would love to do that, but they're always showing Kate.
Speaker 1: She's like she was playing the piano the other day,
Speaker 1: or that was a good shot. She looks so elegant
Speaker 1: playing the piano.
Speaker 2: And also I.
Speaker 1: Really like the fact that she takes her own photo,
Speaker 1: so she's really interested for two ptography, so she's always
Speaker 1: taking the photos of the kids for their birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was this more human side that we're seeing on
Speaker 1: social media, and the Royals are definitely booming on TikTok.
Speaker 1: The hashtag royals has over six billion views. The Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: who are members of the Royal row to have even
Speaker 1: launched their own specific royal TikTok called Daily Mail Royals,
Speaker 1: where they share all their Royal news. And this explosion
Speaker 1: of Royal content on TikTok started with the death of
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth and intensified with King Charles's coronation. It's quite
Speaker 1: funny because there's TikTokers who have now become really influential
Speaker 1: voices on the Royals, like twenty eight year old American
Speaker 1: Amanda Matter. So Amanda has one point two million subscribers
Speaker 1: and it was at the forefront of TikTok's coronation coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am loving all this content. I've seen them popping
Speaker 1: up on Snapchat as well. I wasn't just sure if
Speaker 1: that's because of my algorithm, but it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of people are also enjoying this content. And this
Speaker 1: is where jen Zetta's are discovering old news, rumors and
Speaker 1: scandals about the royal family that they never knew about.
Speaker 1: It the stuff that we grew up with. I actually
Speaker 1: think it started during the coronation because a lot of
Speaker 1: people were searching Princess Diana on there and there were
Speaker 1: a lot of TikTok saying this is our real queen,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as you're interested in her, then
Speaker 1: you're like, what's the new Princess of Wales doing? What
Speaker 1: was she like? Yeah, well, there's a couple of videos
Speaker 1: that are really going viral on TikTok. Of course, there
Speaker 1: are the Diana videos of her interview with Martin Bashier
Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety five, and there's also this video
Speaker 1: of Diana.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen it. She's running a.
Speaker 1: Race at Prince Harry's school. It's absolutely iconic. People are
Speaker 1: loving the cake content as well, particularly videos of her
Speaker 1: before she got married to Prince William. They're the party picks,
Speaker 1: aren't they, of them all out at the night club.
Speaker 1: I've also seen poor Prince William. They keep showing this
Speaker 1: photo of him of what he would look like if
Speaker 1: he got his teeth and hair.
Speaker 2: I've seen that he looks hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People are apparently fawning over the younger days of
Speaker 1: Prince William as well as Prince Edward I didn't realize
Speaker 1: he was okay looking back in the day.
Speaker 2: Do you know what also you failed.
Speaker 1: To make is Louie. Everyone's obsessed with creating tiktoks of
Speaker 1: him having meltdones as well. I think Louis is great
Speaker 1: for their brand because it makes Kate Middleton look human.
Speaker 1: All moms can relate to having this annoying child that's
Speaker 1: not behaving. It's annoying, He's just a normal kid, and
Speaker 1: I think it's humanizing the whole Royal family. He is
Speaker 1: being framed as the new Prince Harry a bit of
Speaker 1: a character. But Princess Charlotte is also hugely popular because
Speaker 1: a lot of people have realized how much she actually
Speaker 1: resembles Princess Diana. I saw her side, I went viral.
Speaker 1: Everyone was saying it's the Princess Diana's side because it
Speaker 1: looked like she did it to Charles and Camilla.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: When I see all of this stuff on TikTok, I
Speaker 1: think there's no way that the Royal Family aren't going
Speaker 1: to be relevant moving forward. I do feel a little
Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable about the intense interest in the younger members
Speaker 1: of the royal family, though, especially in this TikTok era.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine them going to school like Princess Charlotte
Speaker 1: and George and Louie. People are gonna whip out their
Speaker 1: phones like they're going to be doing tiktoks about every move.
Speaker 1: The thing that's concerning from reading Prince Harry's book is
Speaker 1: that the media create characters for the children which might
Speaker 1: clearly not apply to them. So Harry grew up being
Speaker 1: the naughty boy, so he almost took on that persona.
Speaker 2: So with Louis, he's a three.
Speaker 1: Or four year old kid, and we're already saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to be the naughty one. He's going to
Speaker 1: be the one getting with all the girls, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't know himself yet. How do you know yourself in
Speaker 1: that environment? He's going to go back. I mean all
Speaker 1: kids have phones now. When he's twelve, we're probably looking
Speaker 1: all these articles thinking, Okay, this is what the media
Speaker 1: expects me, this is what the public think I am.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be that. They've almost framed Princess Charlotte
Speaker 1: as like a Hermione character because she's always telling George
Speaker 1: what to do, and I mean it is entertaining, But
Speaker 1: my concern is what about when they go to school.
Speaker 1: The royal children are protected by certain guidelines in place
Speaker 1: with the press so they aren't hounded by paparazzi. But
Speaker 1: now with the popularity of social media, everyone is a
Speaker 1: journalist and you can't prevent the general public from filming
Speaker 1: them or kids at school filming them. So the royal
Speaker 1: family are going to have to think about how they
Speaker 1: manage this scenario moving forward. Well, I think that's all
Speaker 1: we've got time for today. Thank you so much for
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