1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we do discuss issues around animal 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: cruelty as well as eating disorders. On today's show, a 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Melbourne nightclub is slammed for using animals as props. Ruby Tuesday, 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Matthews calls out influencer watchdog account for body shaming her 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: and how TikTok is helping the monarchy remain relevant. Hello 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: And pop culture news twice a week. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm Okay, Torbert, and I'm getting very excited because Sophie, 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: you may be my Hills neighbor soon. Yeah, I'm getting 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: ahead of myself. It's the first time my partner and 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: I have ever made an offer on a house, so 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm already picturing myself in this house. I'm becoming a 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: new person, a Hills person, because I live forty minutes 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: away from U Kate, so you've been very eager to 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: try and get me in your area. That being said, 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I think there might be other people interested in this 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: house that we have to beat out. 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Look, i think I'm going to be more disappointed for 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: you if this offer is not approved. 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: We actually walked past the house the other day and 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: unfortunately it was pissing with rain. But I realized I've 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: become such an old person because I was noticing all 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: the beautiful trees on the street. Well, it's just such 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: a nightmare of a time to be looking for a 26 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: house because the interest rates are through the roof. So 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: I feel in a very privileged position that we're even 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: able to put an offer on a house at the moment. 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, I'm getting really excited, but I feel 30 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: like I'm in for a bit of a fall. 31 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: We'll see. We'll keep you updated. 32 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny because our parents went and had a 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: look at the house over the weekend, and they're so 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: weird because they give the real estate agents a fake name. Well, 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the worst thing is that Mum came and looked at 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: the house with me a couple of weeks ago, so 37 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: they already know it's her. They said, ohso are you 38 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: looking for someone else. 39 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, yeah, Mum's. 40 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Mum's strategy is that she will point out everything that's 41 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: wrong with the house. 42 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Because when Dale and I were looking. 43 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: We'd walk into this house and she'd be like, there's 44 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: a crack and this is shit and this is terrible. 45 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: And then we'd walk out and she go, I love it. 46 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: You're like, well I thought you had. 47 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: She rode a pros and cons this for this other 48 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: house that was near me, and I'm like, why are 49 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: you running all the cow I'm sensing it's time to 50 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: leave my rental because we've got some new neighbors and 51 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: they're lovely people, but they constantly have their garage door 52 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: up anytime I'm out the front. Oh hello, you know, 53 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: there's all these times are you're going to have a conversation. 54 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: I just want to get something in my car, So 55 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: basically they're just waiting in the garage to talk to you. Yeah, 56 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: that is the difficulty with being friends with your neighborhood 57 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: because I'm on a street where everyone's really nice and 58 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: it's like kind of like a Ramsey Street atmosphere, but 59 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: it's almost annoying because sometimes you just want to pop 60 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: out of your house and go straight to the car 61 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: and not speak to anyone. But you're on the hills 62 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: where the houses are sort of far apart. I'm in 63 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: a townhouse situation when we share a war with these 64 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: people and it's just I'm over it. 65 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: I've got to get. 66 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Out of it. Yeah. 67 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: I think it's a sign that you need to leave. 68 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: But two rights don't make your rights absolutely. 69 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Two rights don't make it wrong. Correct, two rights wrong. Yes. 70 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Melbourne night club Two Wrongs has come under fire for 71 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: using animals as props during their relaunch event on Saturday Night. 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers' new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse's pr agency is facing 73 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: criticism for the activation after organizing the exclusive, invite only event. Now, So, 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: for those who aren't from Melbourne, can you explain more 75 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: about this venue yet? So? Two Wrongs is a restaurant 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: and a cocktail bar located on Chapel Street. 77 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: I would also describe. 78 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: It as a nightclub. It has a DJ and also 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: a huge dance floor. Now. Isaac Constantine and Zachary Riggs 80 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: are the founders of the venue. They also run a 81 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: string of other venues in Melbourne. Two Wrongs appears to 82 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: have been operating since twenty fifteen, but has undergone a 83 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: rebrand so. The new branding includes Japanese writing in the 84 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: logo and the menu is described as having a Japanese fusion. 85 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: The rebrand is said to be inspired by the epic 86 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: battle of c and space whatever that means, and the 87 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: venue has been reimagined into the depths of underwater Neo 88 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Tokyo now. The owners were interviewed back in twenty fifteen 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: about the venue and they said that people take things 90 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: so seriously in Melbourne in regards to hospitality, and they 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: like to have a lot of fun with their venues. 92 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: He said they want to also provide a grungy experience 93 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: for their patrons while having a laugh too, explaining that 94 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: two Wrongs is for those who appreciate style and class, 95 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: as well as the option of playing Nintendo while you 96 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: wait for a table. Now. The venue also controversially back 97 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen promoted itself as having an all male 98 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: bartending lineup. Now, Olivia Rogers's new boyfriend, Morgan Waterhouse is 99 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: at the heart of this unfolding controversy. 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: That's right, Kate, So just for some. 101 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: Background, Olivia officially debuted her relationship with Morgan back in April, 102 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: following weeks of speculation. Rumors are the couple actually started 103 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: dating back in December twenty twenty two, just a few 104 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: months after her shock split from her ex husband Justin 105 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: mckainn In October. Now, since Hard launching their relationship, Morgan 106 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: is a regular fixture on Olivia's Instagram. They recently attended 107 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Australian Fashion Week together and they have shared their adventures 108 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: on a number of brand trips. Now, as well as 109 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: modeling and creating content, Morgan runs a PR agency called 110 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: Champagne Leila Now. The business doesn't have a website, which 111 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: is actually really odd for a PR agency, but it 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: does have an Instagram account and has a following of 113 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: nine thousand on Instagram. The business describes itself as specializing 114 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: in luxury PR, event hosting, VIP liaison and private parties. 115 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: It also states that it partners with exclusive venues, restaurants, bars, 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: events and brands across Australia. On his agency's Instagram, it 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: said this Saturday, twenty seventh of the fifth We Go 118 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: japan Now, whoever posted this, I think it is Morgan 119 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: chose to use Japanese characters for the word Japan, so 120 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: I think he meant to write this Saturday, we Go Japanese. 121 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: The post continued, Lila takes on a collaboration with one 122 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: of our all time favorites. If you know, you know, 123 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: strictly invite only Now. This was accompanied by a carousel 124 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: of very grungy photos of Japanese men and women either 125 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: smoking or giving the finger. The launch event was attended 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: by a sea of Melbourne influencers, predominantly micro influencers, and 127 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: to my absolute horror, the venue had reptiles at the 128 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: launch event for guests to pass around and take photos of. 129 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: I was pretty taken aback when I saw this online now. 130 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: It appeared to be a pr activation that Morgan Waterhouse's 131 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: company had set up, as he was really front and 132 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: center with the reptiles. So large snakes as well as 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: crocodiles were being used as gimmicks and being casually passed 134 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: around like props for influencers to take photos and videos 135 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: with to promote the venue. It was as though the 136 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: animals were being used as accessories. It was really gross. 137 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: Another Instagram story shows a bald man with a baby 138 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: crocodile draped over his head while two people are taking 139 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: photos of him. This man is in fact the owner 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: of the business that supplied the reptiles to the nightclub. 141 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: So he is a Melbourne identity who goes by the 142 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: name of Snake Man. His real name is Raymond Hoser 143 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: We will touch on his reaction to this controversy later. 144 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: It's quite disturbing that this man is actually the owner 145 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: of the reptiles and that's how he wants to treat them. 146 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Public is setting the tone for how the rest of 147 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the patrons are going to react to the animals. When 148 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: I first saw this image of Morgan Waterhouse with the crocodile, 149 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I thought, is he over in Bali or something. And 150 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear that this was actually a 151 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: venue in Melbourne because even in the videos you can 152 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: hear the music is absolutely pumping. Surely these animals are petrified. 153 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: I just felt so sorry for them. There is a 154 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: lot of confusion with snakes because a lot of people 155 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: assume they're deaf because they don't have exterior ears. 156 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: But I did some. 157 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Research into it, and they have two auditory pathways that 158 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: enable them to detect sounds as vibrations through the air 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: and in the ground. Experts say the snakes are very 160 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 1: sensitive to loud noises and it can cause stress in snakes, 161 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: which can lead to major health problems. It's similar for crocodiles. 162 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: A lot of loud noises cause stress, and crocodiles actually 163 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: have excellent hearing, so it can also lead to the 164 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: crocodile being aggressive if there's a lot of loud noise. 165 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: And I'm assuming the flashing lights wouldn't have been great 166 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: for these animals either. They would have been absolutely petrified. 167 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Not to mention that everyone was getting free drinks, so 168 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: they were probably drunk when they're handling the animals. It's 169 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: not like you're going to be very careful with them 170 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: in that situation. It does worry me having animals in 171 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: these sorts of environments because you don't know if animals 172 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: are being fed these drinks or the food that's around 173 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the place. It doesn't appear to be much care was 174 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: being taken with them. I wonder what insurance this company 175 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: has because I know with petting zoos that go to 176 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: different parties like kids parties, they have different liabilities and 177 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: also the venue liabilities as well. And also I've heard 178 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: that it's really hard to get insurance, especially if those 179 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: animals and a petting zoo are around drunk people. Yeah, 180 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: it hasn't been a good couple of days for two 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: wrongs because in addition to this animal controversy, the nightclub 182 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: has also been accused of cultural appropriation with a number 183 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: of staff dressed as geishas. So, for those who don't know, 184 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Geishas are Japanese performers who are trained in traditional Japanese 185 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: performing art styles like dance, music, and singing. They're also 186 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: known for being proficient hosts, so it's unclear if the 187 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: workers dressed as Geishas were Japanese or workers appropriating the culture. Now. 188 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: We first sparked discussion in our Facebook community on Sunday 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: night about this event, and consequently it was picked up 190 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: by Ozzie influencer Opinions and also Tea Time with members 191 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: absolutely outraged by these photos and many found the images 192 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: very distressing and enraging. Now. Two Wrongs page became flooded 193 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: with negative comments after this. One user wrote passing around 194 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: animals in a bar is just cruel, great rebrand, while 195 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: another wrote cultural appropriation to promote your club is one thing, 196 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: but using animals as a prop to be passed around 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: is fucking gross. Yuck. Now. In response to the backlash, 198 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Two Wrongs quickly untagged all the Instagram stories which featured 199 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: the reptiles. Unfortunately, Morgan Waterhouse didn't appear to get the memo, 200 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: so his PR agency still had the Instagram stories with 201 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: the animals up. He is on a trip at the moment, 202 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: a sponsored trip with Olivia Rodgers, so I don't know 203 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: if the messages were coming through. Now Olivia wasn't at 204 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: this event though, was she No, but her best friend 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: and stylist Paul Versaci, who actually introduced Olivia and Morgan, 206 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: he was at the event, which surprised me. The rest 207 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: of the influencers there was pretty much made up of 208 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: a lot of micro influencers. There weren't too many big 209 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: names that I recognized. And now you said Paul was there, 210 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: but he was also photographed with the snake around his neck, 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: which wasn't a good look for him. It definitely wasn't. Now, 212 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: prominent animal protection group called Community Representations of Crocodiles is 213 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: calling for an investigation into the incident. Now. This is 214 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: a group that is supported by Bob Irwin. A spokesperson 215 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: for the group slammed it as irresponsible and said nature 216 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: protection rules need to be updated to combat wildlife interactions 217 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: in social media. Now, another prominent animal actor, Bailey Mason, 218 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: who goes by the name Warrior for Animals, also called 219 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: out the venue. Now, you may have heard of Bailey 220 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: because he's got fifteen thousand followers, and he sparked global 221 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: anger about live dolphins being used in avatar II promotions, 222 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: so he actually contacted Two Wrongs directly about what he 223 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: called animal cruelty and exploitation. So a spokesperson for the 224 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: venue responded, writing, Hey, Bailey, thank you for the message. 225 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: We did our due diligence with the animal events company 226 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: and they ensured the environment was safe. But we take 227 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: your feedback very seriously, and upon reflection on the event, 228 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: we will not be having animals in the bar for 229 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: future events like these. I appreciate the amicable message, Bailey, 230 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: Please consider this event as a lesson learned. I scroll 231 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: through your page and support all the work and love 232 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: you put into animal safety. 233 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: What does everyone think of the response? 234 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's pretty good for a private message. 235 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm assuming the owner thought it may be shared publicly, 236 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: so that's why he wrote such a good message back. 237 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: I think it's an okay message, but I think that 238 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: there needs to be an official statement put out by 239 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: Two Wrongs. Is now a lot of press attention around 240 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: this story. I am wondering whether Morgan's PR team is 241 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: going to put something together for him in the next. 242 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: Couple of hours. I'll be too busy on holiday. 243 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: I just wonder, though, did they do their due diligence 244 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: with this company, this event's company, because the handler, Raymond, 245 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: he's come out and he's given a statement to Yahoo 246 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: News and he said everyone had a fantastic time. 247 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: The snakes look happy, the people look happy. What the 248 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with that? I mean, that's. 249 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Hardly a professional comment, is it. It really makes you think, 250 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: what's going on with this company. It doesn't appear that 251 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: Raymond has a great reputation in the industry. He did 252 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: also tell Yahoo that the snakes are decades old, and 253 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: he was referencing that to say that they're very comfortable 254 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: interacting with humans. He's taken a lot of care with them. 255 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: He also says that criticism stems from a misunderstanding about reptiles. 256 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: He also bizarrely added into the interview that he was 257 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: recently criticized for taping an animal's mouth shut at a venue. See, 258 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: that's not making things any better. I always wonder how 259 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: these sorts of controversies end up happening, because surely there 260 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: are a lot of people involved in the decision making process. 261 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: You've got Morgan Waterhouse's pr company, who have clearly pitched 262 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: the idea. Then you've got Two Wrongs and their owners 263 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: that have approved it, particularly when this isn't a new 264 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: thing in the nightclub space, because back in twenty nineteen, 265 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: a Melbourne nightclub was under investigation for having a live 266 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: pony inside its venue as part of an opening night promotion. 267 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Now it's pretty gross because this pony was dressed up 268 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: in a pink cowboy hat and on its back it 269 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: had the words pony is back bitch written in ink. 270 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: The RSPCA confirmed at the time that it was investigating 271 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: and so the animals used in performances must be treated 272 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: with respect and not objectified or subjected to indignity or ridicule. 273 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: There was also another recent event at Maurice Jones Coo 274 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: where they featured parrots at the event, and in the past, 275 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Ami, we have seen animals appearing at 276 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: nightclubs in Bali. I just can't believe in twenty twenty 277 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: three venues think that this is acceptable, particularly for venues 278 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: like Two Wrongs. You have had a lot of experience 279 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: in the game. They've been in the industry since at 280 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: least twenty fifteen. Now we touch on the fact that 281 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: Olivia wasn't at this event, But what do you guys 282 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: think would have happened if she had been pictured with 283 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: some of these animals, because we have seen recently what 284 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: a battering Emmclair has received after she revealed she'd killed 285 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: two cats. 286 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: As a child. 287 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,239 Speaker 1: Maybe she was at the event and just didn't get photographed, 288 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: because I highly doubt she wouldn't be there to support Morgan. 289 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: She seems to be at so many events with him recently. Well, 290 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: it looked like she had an event on with another 291 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: friend that night. Luckily I was watching eagerly on because 292 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, maybe she's going to meet up with 293 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: him after, and I was thinking this would be a 294 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: terrible look for her because there's so many brands that 295 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: do not rightfully want to be connected with any sort 296 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: of animal cruelty. The ironic thing is that if Morgan 297 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: wasn't dating Olivia, I don't think as many people would 298 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: have even known about this event, and they wouldn't have 299 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: seen the images online, and he wouldn't be copying this 300 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: flag now. Well, for him, he has been a micro 301 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: influencer for a long time. He has gained a couple 302 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: of extra thousand followers ince it's hard launching his relationship 303 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: with Olivia, So I think it will be a learning 304 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: curve for him that what he does is going to 305 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: make news now, and it is a reflection on his girlfriend, Olivia, 306 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: who has a big following, so he needs to be 307 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: careful with what he does. I don't think this has 308 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: anything to do with it. I'm not saying it does, 309 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: but it reflects on her because they're so closely linked. 310 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: He's become a part of her personal brand. I know, 311 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: but I think it's a bit unfair to blame somebody 312 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: like a living I'm not her boyfriend's action. 313 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm not blaming her. 314 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying it reflects on her because she they are 315 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: so closely linked. I don't think anyone's blaming Olivia here. 316 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: She didn't even attend the event. But I think it 317 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: is an interesting conversation about personal brand and the fact 318 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: that who you choose to date, unfortunately does reflect on 319 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: you when they do something like this. 320 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: Alao is on my forty thousand dollars tennis court. 321 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: You are confrontational and aggressive. Yeah, all right. 322 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to talk to you. 323 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Because I actually get offended even looking at you down. 324 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't look Ruby Tuesday Matthews has called out influencer 325 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: watchdog account dutch Minti for body shaming her. The Byron 326 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Bay fashion designer revealed she's struggling with her mental health 327 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: and has called for the hate to stop. No, Kate, 328 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: how did this all start? Well, it's quite clear from 329 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: following the account dutch Minty that they have some beef 330 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: with Ruby Tuesday Matthews. They normally are quite balanced with 331 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: their posts, but it can get very snarky when they 332 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: talk about Ruby Tuesday Matthews and also Sophie Gwidolin Now. 333 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: A few weeks back, the account was very vocal about 334 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: calling out Ruby about her brand's hat promotion, which featured 335 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: a photo of her son that many believed was exploitative. 336 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: More recently, during a Q and A, they commented on 337 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Ruby's thin frame and shared a photo of her postpartum 338 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: weight loss. The account concluded many people are of the 339 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: opinion she has an eating disorder. Now. Ruby responded to 340 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: dutch Minty, sharing screenshots from the Q and a. She 341 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: wrote to the page that constantly bullshits and smears hate 342 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: against me. You have absolutely no idea what I'm currently 343 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: going through. I can tell you I'm not okay. I 344 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: had a baby seven months ago and went back to 345 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: work three days later, packing thousands of orders for our 346 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: small business that you tried to boycott a week ago. 347 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: Again, I have. 348 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: Been very transparent, seeking help and trying my best. I'm 349 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: currently working two jobs and looking after three children that 350 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I have taken one hundred percent of the time for 351 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: reasons I keep private. She then went on to say 352 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: that she receives horrible messages off the back of comments 353 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and speculation that Dutch Minty makes about her. Ruby also 354 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: asks a page to stop commenting on the way she 355 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: looks and said, I understand I'm. 356 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: Very thin due to serious stress. 357 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: The pictures that you have attached above are right after 358 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: I lost a baby at sixteen weeks. Please leave me alone. 359 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: She reiterated that she has always been thin, but is 360 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: currently thinner due to her current life situation. She further 361 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: explained that as she is the sole provider and primary 362 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: caregiver for her two children from a previous relationship, she 363 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have the option to take a break. She wrote, 364 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: family therapy is not cheap, pediatricians are not cheap. I 365 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: need to continue to work, and for me, this is 366 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: my line of work. She followed up by sharing a 367 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: photo of her breastfeeding her daughter holiday as she packed 368 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: orders for her business. She wrote, breastfeeding and packing orders, 369 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: this is what a small business looks like. I just 370 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: don't understand you. Why you want to rip me down 371 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: so much, kicking me when I'm down. It literally never 372 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: stops now. Dutch Minti shared Ruby's response to her feed, 373 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: and she was slammed in the comments section. Many people 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: said they were unfollowing the page, while others called for 375 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: dutch Minti to leave Ruby alone. I think it's a 376 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: really interesting topic because we have obviously discussed Ruby Tuesday, 377 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: Matthew's most recent brand controversy. And I think when you 378 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: open up your life as an influencer, you are inviting 379 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: people to have opinions about your life. But I do 380 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: think that there is a line, and I don't think 381 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: it's anyone's business to speculate on someone's weight. I thought 382 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three we will pass commenting on women's bodies. 383 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these pages do take it 384 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: too far sometimes, and I think, as you said, Kate, 385 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: there is definitely a line, and I know when we 386 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: discuss topics we're going to talk about, we talk about 387 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: that line, we say no, that's not appropriate. I think 388 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: there needs to be more management of this because because 389 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: it has this anonymous nature, as we've discussed many times, 390 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: these people feel like they can say anything without any repercussion. 391 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: I think these pages also have to take the influencer's 392 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: mental health on board. Again, it's about discussing the issue, 393 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: not discussing the person. And it's quite clear that Ruby 394 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: is struggling at the moment. Yes, her brand campaign wasn't it. 395 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't good, But it doesn't mean it gives people 396 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: this green light to continue to bully her and comment 397 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: on her weight and her appearance and her mothering. It 398 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: is interesting to have her behind the scenes perspective of 399 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: the amount of hate that Ruby has received off the 400 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: back of this page because I think a lot of 401 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: the time, in particular with the new laws that are 402 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: coming in place, companies or entities like this, they have 403 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: to manage their comment section to ensure that there's not 404 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: bullying or her. But you can't control, really if that's 405 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: going to then generate hate in the DMS. Yeah, and 406 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: I think by dutch Minty adding Ruby's response to the 407 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: Q and A on her feed, she thought she was 408 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: going to be supported. She thought that that comment section 409 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: was going to be like, oh, you know, bagging out Ruby, 410 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: But it was the complete opposite. And I actually found 411 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: that a really positive thing because it shows that people 412 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: aren't just blindly following these pages, that they are actually 413 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: challenging what is said on there exactly. And I think 414 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: maybe some of these page owners might think, oh, wow, 415 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: everyone's backing one hundred percent what I've saying. I've got 416 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of followers, but a lot of them 417 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: are just there for the gossip, and they will turn 418 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: on the account owner. I also think it's great that 419 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: Ruby was able to humanize herself, and I think that's 420 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: why so many people resonated with that post. 421 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. 422 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: I think the fact that Ruby can humanize herself, whereas 423 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: this anonymous person on this page can't really humanize themselves. 424 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: I think that's why everyone has been sticking up for Ruby, 425 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: and I think that everyone knows a line has been crossed. Yeah, 426 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm just a bit over these anonymous accounts wielding so 427 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: much power. 428 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm all for them. 429 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: Holding influences to account. But when it comes to bullying 430 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: and directing trolls to influencers, I think enough is enough. 431 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: We will Behave you think yeah? 432 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: Yes? Gives that? Yet? Yeah? 433 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: I'm good. 434 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: Sympathy British of it. The Royal Family is experiencing a 435 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: resurgence of popularity thanks to TikTok. Prior to the coronation, 436 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: interest in the Royal family was waning, but that appears 437 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: to have changed so interestingly. Twelve days before King Charles's coronation, 438 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: stats showed in the UK that seventy eight percent of 439 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: over sixty five's backed the monarchy, or just thirty two 440 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: percent of eighteen to twenty four year olds did. The 441 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: survey also revealed more people and not interested in the 442 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: Royal family than interested in them. However, this has all 443 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: changed so according to The Daily Mirror Royal editor Russell Myers, 444 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: the Royal Family are beginning to appeal to jen Zea's 445 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: thanks to TikTok, and this could be exactly what they 446 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: need to. 447 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: Keep the crown going. 448 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: Yes, and Kate Middleton is a very important part of 449 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: trying to get the younger generation interested in the Royal family. 450 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: She's been called their secret weapon, and has recently been 451 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: voted the favorite working royal in a recent opinion poll. 452 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: It's ironic because we never actually hear Kate Riddleton talking 453 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: about anything. Sorry, I love Megan and I'm a huge 454 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: Kate Middleton fan. I think that this survey has been 455 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: done on me, because as soon as the coronation happened, 456 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: my TikTok feed was full of Kate Middleton and I've 457 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: eaten it all up. 458 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: I love her. 459 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: We do hear a talking, we hear talking to the 460 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: people who are waiting in line to greet her, and 461 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: she is lovely. I follow the Prince and Princess of 462 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: Wales on Instagram and their pr team has done an 463 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: amazing job. That videography job. I'm actually so jealous. I 464 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: would love to do that, but they're always showing Kate. 465 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: She's like she was playing the piano the other day, 466 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: or that was a good shot. She looks so elegant 467 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: playing the piano. 468 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: And also I. 469 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: Really like the fact that she takes her own photo, 470 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: so she's really interested for two ptography, so she's always 471 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: taking the photos of the kids for their birthday. Yeah, 472 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: it was this more human side that we're seeing on 473 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: social media, and the Royals are definitely booming on TikTok. 474 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: The hashtag royals has over six billion views. The Daily Mail, 475 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: who are members of the Royal row to have even 476 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: launched their own specific royal TikTok called Daily Mail Royals, 477 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: where they share all their Royal news. And this explosion 478 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: of Royal content on TikTok started with the death of 479 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth and intensified with King Charles's coronation. It's quite 480 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: funny because there's TikTokers who have now become really influential 481 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: voices on the Royals, like twenty eight year old American 482 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: Amanda Matter. So Amanda has one point two million subscribers 483 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: and it was at the forefront of TikTok's coronation coverage. Yeah, 484 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I am loving all this content. I've seen them popping 485 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: up on Snapchat as well. I wasn't just sure if 486 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: that's because of my algorithm, but it seems like a 487 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: lot of people are also enjoying this content. And this 488 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: is where jen Zetta's are discovering old news, rumors and 489 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: scandals about the royal family that they never knew about. 490 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: It the stuff that we grew up with. I actually 491 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: think it started during the coronation because a lot of 492 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: people were searching Princess Diana on there and there were 493 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: a lot of TikTok saying this is our real queen, 494 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: and then as soon as you're interested in her, then 495 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: you're like, what's the new Princess of Wales doing? What 496 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: was she like? Yeah, well, there's a couple of videos 497 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: that are really going viral on TikTok. Of course, there 498 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: are the Diana videos of her interview with Martin Bashier 499 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety five, and there's also this video 500 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: of Diana. 501 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen it. She's running a. 502 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: Race at Prince Harry's school. It's absolutely iconic. People are 503 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: loving the cake content as well, particularly videos of her 504 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: before she got married to Prince William. They're the party picks, 505 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: aren't they, of them all out at the night club. 506 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: I've also seen poor Prince William. They keep showing this 507 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: photo of him of what he would look like if 508 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: he got his teeth and hair. 509 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: I've seen that he looks hot. 510 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. People are apparently fawning over the younger days of 511 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Prince William as well as Prince Edward I didn't realize 512 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: he was okay looking back in the day. 513 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: Do you know what also you failed. 514 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: To make is Louie. Everyone's obsessed with creating tiktoks of 515 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: him having meltdones as well. I think Louis is great 516 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: for their brand because it makes Kate Middleton look human. 517 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: All moms can relate to having this annoying child that's 518 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: not behaving. It's annoying, He's just a normal kid, and 519 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: I think it's humanizing the whole Royal family. He is 520 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: being framed as the new Prince Harry a bit of 521 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: a character. But Princess Charlotte is also hugely popular because 522 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people have realized how much she actually 523 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: resembles Princess Diana. I saw her side, I went viral. 524 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: Everyone was saying it's the Princess Diana's side because it 525 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: looked like she did it to Charles and Camilla. 526 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: See. 527 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: When I see all of this stuff on TikTok, I 528 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: think there's no way that the Royal Family aren't going 529 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: to be relevant moving forward. I do feel a little 530 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable about the intense interest in the younger members 531 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: of the royal family, though, especially in this TikTok era. 532 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine them going to school like Princess Charlotte 533 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: and George and Louie. People are gonna whip out their 534 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: phones like they're going to be doing tiktoks about every move. 535 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: The thing that's concerning from reading Prince Harry's book is 536 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: that the media create characters for the children which might 537 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: clearly not apply to them. So Harry grew up being 538 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: the naughty boy, so he almost took on that persona. 539 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: So with Louis, he's a three. 540 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: Or four year old kid, and we're already saying, oh, 541 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: he's going to be the naughty one. He's going to 542 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: be the one getting with all the girls, like he 543 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: doesn't know himself yet. How do you know yourself in 544 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: that environment? He's going to go back. I mean all 545 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: kids have phones now. When he's twelve, we're probably looking 546 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: all these articles thinking, Okay, this is what the media 547 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: expects me, this is what the public think I am. 548 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to be that. They've almost framed Princess Charlotte 549 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: as like a Hermione character because she's always telling George 550 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: what to do, and I mean it is entertaining, But 551 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: my concern is what about when they go to school. 552 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: The royal children are protected by certain guidelines in place 553 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: with the press so they aren't hounded by paparazzi. But 554 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: now with the popularity of social media, everyone is a 555 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: journalist and you can't prevent the general public from filming 556 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: them or kids at school filming them. So the royal 557 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: family are going to have to think about how they 558 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: manage this scenario moving forward. Well, I think that's all 559 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: we've got time for today. Thank you so much for 560 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you have enjoyed it, 561 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple 562 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: podcast and also Spotify, and we will be dropping part 563 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: two of our deep dive into Mitch Orwill on tomorrow's show. 564 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 565 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to 566 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: elders past and present.