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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now the opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Leah fanocchii O. Goodbrding to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Labor have announced that if they are re elected,

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Speaker 2: Our position is to phase our gillnets over four years

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Speaker 1: Lea, do you have any idea how much it's going

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, I don't. I didn't see labor putting out

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Speaker 1: Look, I've got to say I was a little bit

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Speaker 2: tremendous demand on our triple zero calls. It's forecast one

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Speaker 1: LEA a couple of quick ones before I've got to

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Speaker 1: or like a month or so ago. There was people

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Speaker 1: Why on earth has this part of the Masters been canceled?

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Speaker 2: And this is the problem with a government that is

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Speaker 2: failing in every front, Katie. It is destroying our lifestyle

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Speaker 2: and iconic events like the Games. So swimming is being canceled.

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Speaker 2: We unveiled yesterday that the Games might not go ahead

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Speaker 2: at all this bitut time that they've been canceled.

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Speaker 1: Why they go ahead? Why could they potentially not go

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Speaker 2: Time because of that low take up of people participating

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Speaker 2: Tourism numbers are down. People are feeling afraid to go

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs Master's Games used to be in people's calendar

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Speaker 2: it's been canceled over six years, and so it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it's fallen off people's radar and the government isn't doing

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Speaker 2: it comes back to that erosion of our lifestyle. When

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Speaker 2: all of these wonderful things we used to do no

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Speaker 2: to live here anymore. And I will stop at nothing

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Speaker 2: to make sure that the territory's lifestyle is protected, that

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Speaker 2: we enjoy our unique opportunities we have here, because living

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Speaker 2: fighting for, not the territory where things are disappear, where

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Speaker 2: we're not safe, where businesses are closing. This is just

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Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction. Lea.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there just

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Who is in the chair today.

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Speaker 2: That's it's not me, that's for sure, but one of

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Speaker 2: down there. I know it was a very late night

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Speaker 2: last night. We've got two days to go, but tune

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Speaker 2: in if anyone's interested. You can tune in through handsight

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Speaker 2: on you either by listening or visual.

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Speaker 1: Well, they'll do that after me day Leah, they'll do

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Speaker 1: that after midday. We'll stay all mixed now sorry, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you as always, thank you as always. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: up with you again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you every thank you.