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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning. We've got the head

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Speaker 1: of news at the NT News, Gary Shipway, good morning,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Good to have you in the studio. We

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Speaker 1: have got for the COLP. We've got the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Families and various other portfolios, Asian relations and trade. There's business,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. Robin Carl, good morning, you've

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Speaker 1: got a few in there.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, and good morning to everyone out there

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Speaker 2: on this really close to a dry season, thought the same,

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Speaker 2: very exciting. I went for a little run and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I don't want to say it feels like

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Speaker 1: the dry season. I don't want to get too excited

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Speaker 1: to any drag I have, So let's say. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe we're calling it too early, but look, we were

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Speaker 1: due to have Duran Young on the show as well

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Speaker 1: for the labor Party. Unfortunately there has been a death

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Speaker 1: in the family, so he won't be here this morning.

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Speaker 1: So it's just the three of us and there is

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Speaker 1: no shortage of things to talk about with the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister and the alban Easy this morning arriving, well, he

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Speaker 1: may have arrived yesterday afternoon didy Garay. Yep, so he

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Speaker 1: is here and you are indeed reporting in the paper

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Speaker 1: today that he's arrived in town to unveil Labour's Health

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Speaker 1: and Aged Care plan for the territory and include sixty

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Speaker 1: million dollars to be used in partnership with an aged

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Speaker 1: care provider to support the delivery of a residential care

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Speaker 1: home for the Darwin region. Now, the health and age

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Speaker 1: Care plan also includes an upgraded Medicare mental health center

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs and Headspace plus and a youth specialist

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Speaker 1: care center in Darwin, as well as the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's reaffirming his pledge of ten point one million dollars

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Speaker 1: to care Flight to purchase a plane to support medical

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Speaker 1: evacuations and transportation in the top end. Now, on the

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Speaker 1: face of it, a great announcement, but my mind got

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Speaker 1: ticking over as I was reading this, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: hang on a second. Didn't we have an EI and

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Speaker 1: expression of interest for sixty new age care beads plus

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Speaker 1: twelve specialists dementia care beds last year or.

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Speaker 2: The year before.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the year before actually, so there

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Speaker 1: was that expression of interest process. Anyway, did a bit

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Speaker 1: process and we're unable to find a provider.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the issues. When I wrote that story,

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Speaker 3: and it was very carefully. The wording was very careful

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Speaker 3: in a way it was presented in terms of the

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Speaker 3: sixty million on the table. It doesn't say who's going

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Speaker 3: to be put the rest of that money in, so

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Speaker 3: there's an unknown there. It's always good to know that,

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Speaker 3: you know there's money available for age care facilities because

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Speaker 3: because goodness knows, we need that here. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of unanswered parts of it. Good announcement,

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Speaker 3: but there's a butt with it. You know who's going

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Speaker 3: to put the rest of the money in?

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Speaker 2: You would know? Katie Health is very dear to my heart,

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Speaker 2: having spent a long time in the territory in that sector,

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Speaker 2: and I can remember having conversations around this. I was

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Speaker 2: still working at the Parmesan super Clinic, around people saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: this money is on the table, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: What does it look like. There's no question that we

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Speaker 2: are lacking in aged care facilities and services in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. It's something that has been a problem and

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Speaker 2: a challenge for a good two three decades, so anything

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Speaker 2: that we can do in that space is fantastic. But

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Speaker 2: this isn't a new announcement. This is a rehash of

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Speaker 2: an announcement where they couldn't get anyone on board previously,

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Speaker 2: and so it would have been far more interesting if

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Speaker 2: there'd been an announcement about and we've identified someone and

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Speaker 2: you've touched on a.

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Speaker 1: Very good point in the sense that you know, we

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Speaker 1: absolutely need these age care beads. We absolutely need specialists

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Speaker 1: dementia care beads as well. We've got a situation and

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Speaker 1: we have for a number of years where my understanding

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Speaker 1: is that certainly previously we had about sixty patients in

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Speaker 1: it's not ideal for them. It is not a good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I think what would have been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the other thing is too And

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Speaker 2: at a federal level. They never fully fund anything. So

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million, and so there would be

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Speaker 2: an expectation that the Northern Territory would come up with

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Speaker 2: It's not fully funded. They're making it sound like they're

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Speaker 1: From the Northern Territory government's perspective. Would it be a

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Speaker 1: situation where they fund the facility and then the Northern

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Speaker 2: Well, the advice I've had is that the actual doing

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Speaker 2: the standard run of the meal process in these federally

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Speaker 2: and that was the problem. You'll probably remember when the

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Speaker 2: Parliament's Hospital was originally built and put forward as a proposal.

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Speaker 2: There was money to build the facility, there was no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someone's got to pay run the facility. So you know,

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Speaker 3: it's no point just building it and not factoring in

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Speaker 3: the running costs. And that's what businesses have to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and look, I mean the thing is, I

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Speaker 1: against there being an age care facility or additional beads

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Speaker 1: that we desperately need it. We desperately need money as well.

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Speaker 2: The other thing too, is that, as with the disability sector,

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Speaker 2: age care is a federal government responsibility. So if you're

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Speaker 2: going to put a service in play, fund the whole service,

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Speaker 2: make sure you put all the money in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look, it's not the only thing that's up

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Speaker 1: and closer, the daw and Port goodness me, every time

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Speaker 1: But Obviously our relationship with China has changed somewhat in

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Speaker 1: Now the Prime Minister, meanwhile, Anthony Albanesi, is saying that

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Speaker 1: he's going to enter into negotiations to acquire the lease

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Speaker 1: from land Bridge, adding that's been already happening informally.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say here, back in twenty and thirteen,

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory Infrastructure Minister went to canber to meet with

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Speaker 2: Was that styles it and the.

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Speaker 3: Federal Infrastructure Minister was Anthony Alberanzi, now he had the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory government went down there to seek funding to

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Speaker 3: improve the port. The port was struggling. They wanted to

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Speaker 3: there was an opportunity back in twenty and thirteen for

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Speaker 3: Anthony Albernesi, as the Federal Infrastructure Minister, to actually come

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Speaker 3: we're not interested in putting any money into the port.

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Speaker 3: Would be a lot cheaper then to do that than

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Speaker 3: to go down the path we're now going down. And

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Speaker 3: after that meeting it went back to the Mordern Territory

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Speaker 3: Cabinet and that's when they decided to that week there

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Speaker 3: back in twenty thirteen, we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty sure Matt Cunningham may be asked about

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Speaker 1: this at the press conference this morning as well s

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister whether he'd met with the former minister

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Speaker 1: Peter Styles back in twenty thirteen. Now, my understanding is

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Speaker 1: that the response was something along the lines of him

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Speaker 1: not remembering the minister. Well, yeah, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: just think to myself, if we're going to be having

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Speaker 1: we've got to be entirely honest about it, and you

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Speaker 1: spot on.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was at a time where.

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Speaker 1: The government of the day, the Northern Territory government of

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Speaker 2: The fact was, at that.

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Speaker 1: to me as though there's been a breach of the lease.

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Speaker 1: So then you go, all right, well, who's prepared to

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Speaker 1: to get this port back if that's what needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: Look, and I think the thing that we really need

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Speaker 2: critical for the Northern Territori's progress going forward. So every

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Speaker 2: and government and we've been to Singapore just recently, that

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Speaker 2: connectivity and that port capacity is one of the attractive

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Speaker 2: and the West coast are at capacity in many circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So really what we need to be focusing on is

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Speaker 2: the best outcome for the territory is a really good

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Speaker 2: functioning port. And at this moment in time, we have that,

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Speaker 2: we've had an investment, they've upgraded it. It's working effectively,

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Speaker 2: it's very efficient. I wasn't involved obviously back in the

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Speaker 2: both of both persuasions had plenty of opportunity to input

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Speaker 2: into that process, had plenty of opportunities since then. And

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, until the election's over,

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Speaker 2: how we're going to really know what's really going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean you know that it's become a pawn

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Speaker 2: Will who knows anything.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to walk away from a commitment say all

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Speaker 1: Now in a terrible situation. Earlier in the week in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was obviously looking who she was supposed to

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Speaker 2: So did that happen Gary?

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Speaker 3: It's just, you know, it's like it's still a phrase

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Speaker 2: They can do it they want. And I think you've

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know, the impact then on

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Speaker 2: That, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's when that's where the community's at.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the frustration of the community when we

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, unfortunately it's not the only terrible situation that

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Speaker 3: Which I said earlier. Yeah, this man's life seventy one

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. You just think, like how frightening to

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Speaker 2: And you've been you know, fit.

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Speaker 2: And again, you have to look at this appears to

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Speaker 2: It's also not isolated. I've had a couple of situations

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is there's been situations where your

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Speaker 1: it possible that someone's on bail and is able to,

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Speaker 1: you know, commit such a horrendous offense.

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Speaker 3: And it's all too common story of people repeat offenders

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Speaker 3: have been put on out on bail and no consideration. Well,

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Speaker 3: deemed not to be a risk community and within a

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Speaker 3: short period of time they've re offended again. You know

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Speaker 3: you've seen it. I mean just small stuff like the

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Speaker 3: sports store at what happened with their young kids, crocodiles

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Speaker 3: the other way, bloke breaks in. He's been done it

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Speaker 3: multiple times and who knows. They we'll point to it again,

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Speaker 3: but you know it's just too often.

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Speaker 1: We well, so I know that it's been flagged with

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Speaker 1: me by both the Chief Minister and also the Minister

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Speaker 1: for Corrections Jared Mayley, saying that there is going to

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Speaker 1: be a review of the Youth Justice Act. How deep

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Speaker 1: is that going to go and how soon can we

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Speaker 1: expect any changes, Robin and what might they be?

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Speaker 2: Well, the reviews underway and there is an urgency to it.

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Speaker 2: So there are some basic things. For example, we've talked

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Speaker 2: about previously Katie, where we want to be able to

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Speaker 2: if we divert someone into a program that they have

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Speaker 2: to do that currently we can't enforce it. So that's

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Speaker 2: one of the very basic things that will change. But

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Speaker 2: it's also around how do we create an environment where

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Speaker 2: these young people who are a risk to the community

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Speaker 2: and a risk to themselves where we can actually have

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Speaker 2: a more secure environment. So the supported bail facilities, for example,

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Speaker 2: are not locked down. So it's a supported bail facility

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Speaker 2: where somebody doesn't have somewhere else to go. They're usually

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Speaker 2: monitored with an ankle monitor, so there are people there

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Speaker 2: here to support them, but they can't be physically restrained.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got someone who's at risk or poses

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Speaker 2: a risk to the community and you do feel that

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Speaker 2: detention in a watchhouse or detention in prison is not appropriate,

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Speaker 2: then you do actually need to have a little bit

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Speaker 2: more capacity to make sure that you can control where

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Speaker 2: they go and what they do. And that's certainly being

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Speaker 2: looked at. And so what might that look like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, could it be another facility where young people

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Speaker 1: can go if there's sort of you know, maybe in

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Speaker 1: that in between sort of gray area.

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Speaker 2: I guess I certainly think that's something that we are exploring.

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Speaker 2: And there are facilities like that in other states in Australia,

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Speaker 2: and there's a couple that I'm planning to go and

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Speaker 2: visit to see how they've done it, what their legislation

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Speaker 2: looks like, particularly those high risk kids who have high

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Speaker 2: needs and have a real challenge in integrating into what

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Speaker 2: we would consider appropriate behavior in the community. We need

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Speaker 2: to look after them as well, we need to protect

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Speaker 2: them and protect the community. So we really do need

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Speaker 2: to look at those facilities, and it's something that's very

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Speaker 2: high on my agenda.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm very aware that there has to be

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Speaker 1: that separation of powers of course between you know, ministers

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Speaker 1: and and the judiciary and the court processes. But are

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Speaker 1: we in a situation here where some elements of that

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Speaker 1: Youth Justice Act simply make it too easy for a

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Speaker 1: judge to be able to determine that somebody doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to spend any time in a correctional facility or doesn't

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Speaker 1: actually need to have a consequence to their action.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the fact that we're seeing what we

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Speaker 2: would deem to be young alleged defenders who have histories

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Speaker 2: of violent offenses still being granted bail in spite of

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Speaker 2: the fact that we have actually passed Declan's Law, then yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we do need to have a stronger look

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Speaker 2: at that, and perhaps we do have to be a

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Speaker 2: little more firm in what the options are in that space.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a really quick break. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, I am keen to sort of continue this

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Speaker 1: discussion somewhat, but talk about the fact that a Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Supreme Court judge suspended the four year sentence of

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Speaker 1: a woman who pleaded guilt to causing serious harm to

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old girl citing in humane conditions at

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Speaker 1: the Alice Springs Watchhouse. You are listening to three sixty

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Speaker 1: if you've just joined us this morning. We've got Minister

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Speaker 1: Robin carl and head of News at the NT News,

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Speaker 1: Gary Shipway in the studio with us. Now. A story

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Speaker 1: on the ABC earlier in the week, and Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court judge suspended the four year sentence of a

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Speaker 1: woman who pleaded guilty to causing serious harm to a

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl citing inhumane conditions at the Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs Watchhouse. Now. According to the report, the offender was

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Speaker 1: one of eleven people in March last year who chased

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Speaker 1: the teenager down and assaulted her, pulling the girl down

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Speaker 1: by the hair, stamping and kicking her face and body.

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Speaker 1: Co offenders then stripped the girl of her clothes before

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Speaker 1: the offender, who was eighteen at the time, dragged her

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Speaker 1: naked down a street as others continued to kick her.

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Speaker 1: In her sentencing remarks last month, Justice Judith Kelly labeled

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Speaker 1: the offender's behavior as a very serious offense and said

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Speaker 1: even without a victim impact statement, it was clear the

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Speaker 1: pain and the fear of the girl, who was only

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Speaker 1: sixteen years old, must have experienced. Justice Kelly also noted

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Speaker 1: the victim presented to hospital after the incident with a

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Speaker 1: collapsed lung and later needed a chess strain. Now, despite

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Speaker 1: the seriousness of the offense, it's reported that Justice Kelly

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Speaker 1: said she would take into account the offender's early guilty

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Speaker 1: plea and the very very appalling conditions she suffered while

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Speaker 1: reminded at the Alice Springs Watchhouse for twenty two days

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Speaker 1: in January. Justice Kelly said she accepted that the watchhouse

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Speaker 1: was overcrowded with at times nearly twenty women in a cell,

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Speaker 1: that there were only two toilets available that became blocked,

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Speaker 1: and the main source of water was a bubbler which

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Speaker 1: was on top of a toilet that often filled with vomit.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm keen to get your thoughts on this situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that in line with the expectations. Do

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Speaker 1: you think of the community that that sentence is suspended

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Speaker 1: due to what the judge has deemed inhumane conditions at

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Speaker 1: the Allice Springs Watchhouse.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It's absolutely not in line with community expectations.

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Speaker 2: So let's just put it in context. A sixteen year

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Speaker 2: old girl is violently assaulted by eleven people, of which

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Speaker 2: this person was found to be one, sentenced to four

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Speaker 2: years for that crime, and then suspended because she spent

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Speaker 2: twenty two days in a watchhouse where the justice felt

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Speaker 2: that the conditions were a born Now. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what they were like, I wasn't there, but twenty two

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Speaker 2: days of undiscomfort somehow equates to suspect a four year sentence.

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Speaker 2: I think the community will absolutely say that defies logic,

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Speaker 2: and that young person who was assaulted has a lifetime

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Speaker 2: of horrendous experience to live with forever. She's had a

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Speaker 2: life sentence as a result of that assault, and for

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Speaker 2: twenty two days of discomfort can somehow equate to a

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Speaker 2: four year sentence, I find that astonishing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our listeners were not buying it, like, they were

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Speaker 1: not happy with it. They were not feeling as though

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Speaker 1: it was in line with the community's expectations.

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Speaker 2: I guess the problem that.

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Speaker 1: We've got here at the moment is our correctional facilities

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Speaker 1: are full, like they're overfull, so our watch houses are

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Speaker 1: obviously jam packed at different times with prisoners. The thing

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Speaker 1: that I really do not want to see as a

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Speaker 1: territorian is other situations where somebody who should be who's

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Speaker 1: actually sentenced to, you know, a period of jail time

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Speaker 1: not going to jail because a judge feels as though

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Speaker 1: the time that they've spent in a watch house.

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Speaker 2: And there are two different facilities here. There's a watchhouse,

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Speaker 2: which is a police operated facility which is intended to

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Speaker 2: someone is arrested, alleged to have committed an offense. They're

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Speaker 2: held in the watchhouse until such times as there can

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Speaker 2: be a hearing, whether it be bailed, whether they won't

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Speaker 2: be bailed, whatever the situation is. And then there are

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Speaker 2: the prison systems which are under the control of corrections.

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Speaker 2: Two entirely different facilities, two entirely different situations. So even

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Speaker 2: how you can equate one to the other also is

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Speaker 2: a little difficult to comprehend. So yes, we've got a

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Speaker 2: situation currently in the territory where we do have a

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Speaker 2: high number of prisoners in the system. There's a reason

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Speaker 2: for that. There are people out there continuing to break

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Speaker 2: the law. There are people out there who are continuing

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Speaker 2: to place our community at risk, and our community has

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Speaker 2: said this is not okay, and we have responded as

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Speaker 2: a government to that.

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Speaker 1: Robin, do you think that you've got a situation that

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's got a situation at the moment

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Speaker 1: where you know, some within the judicial you know, like

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Speaker 1: some within that system are pushing back on the governments,

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Speaker 1: you know, on your tough on crime rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: The first thing is there absolutely has to be a

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Speaker 2: separation between government and the judicial system. That's fundamental to democracy.

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Speaker 2: You have to have that check and balance in place.

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Speaker 2: But clearly there is a differential between the government's response

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Speaker 2: to community demand and the judicial response to what they

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Speaker 2: believe they should be doing. The challenge is that they

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Speaker 2: are continuing to do what they've done for the past decade,

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Speaker 2: which we have seen and said repeatedly is not well.

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Speaker 1: The community has seen and said repeatedly that it's not working,

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Speaker 1: and people voted that way at the last election. And

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Speaker 1: even now as these different situations arise, you know, people

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Speaker 1: are like I get on air and I don't say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is my opinion and everybody else needs to agree

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Speaker 1: with it. I asked the question. People are going, no, Katie,

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Speaker 1: it's not in line with our expectations.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is that a judicial system should be

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Speaker 2: reflective of the community need and the community needs to

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Speaker 2: be safe, and that is not happening.

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Speaker 3: In this case. You know, with the inhuman conditions was

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Speaker 3: used as a means to justify the person being released. Well,

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Speaker 3: what about the inhumane treatment of the victim? I mean,

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Speaker 3: what happened. And I don't know if anyone saw that video,

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Speaker 3: but it was Australian had it, and I did see

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Speaker 3: that video and it was horrific what happened with that

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Speaker 3: young person. And it was vicious, it was violent, and

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Speaker 3: it was inhumane, but totally inhumane.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of anything more degrading than being strip

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Speaker 1: naked and dragged on the street while I'm kicked.

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Speaker 2: And you certainly come back here twenty two days in

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Speaker 2: a cell with and I don't know, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the size of the cells, but

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Speaker 2: sufficient to put twenty people, allegedly twenty people in there.

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Speaker 2: That compared to being dragged naked down the street being

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Speaker 2: kicked by eleven people, there's no equate there at all.

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Speaker 2: The treatment of that young person far out ways. Spending

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Speaker 2: twenty two days in a room with a few more

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Speaker 2: people than you might like to have in the room

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just say, you know, it's sorry, you know,

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Speaker 3: not enough to focus on the victim. And look, I

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Speaker 3: understand that conditions can be difficult in our springs, but

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Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, what happened

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Speaker 3: to that person was in humane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we're going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that wasn't. In the

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Speaker 1: studio with us this morning, we have got Robin Carl

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Speaker 1: and Gary Shipway. Now, in some news that has come

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Speaker 1: through in the paper, in the inter news this morning,

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Speaker 1: it's being reported that the government's axed a critical domestic

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Speaker 1: violence advisory body, despite warnings that a lack of coordination

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Speaker 1: would only worsen the epidemic of abuse in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday Robin, you'd confirm that you'd dismantled the Domestic

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Speaker 1: Family and Sexual Violence Advisory Forum, a consultation body established

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Speaker 1: under the Northern Territory's ten year Domestic Family Services Violence

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Speaker 1: Reduction Strategy. For the past six years, that forum has

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Speaker 1: allowed frontline sector workers, peak bodies, and legal, medical and

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Speaker 1: social services experts to work directly with government departments. According

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Speaker 1: to this report, I mean, what exactly has it done

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Speaker 1: over those six years and do you feel it's been effective?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think in any situation, you start the process

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Speaker 2: with consulting, with people getting their advice, looking at what

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Speaker 2: they think should happen. The development out of that group

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Speaker 2: was the Action Plans one and two under the strategic framework.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the result of that work over the past decade,

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Speaker 2: and I think most people would agree that something needs

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Speaker 2: to change. So what we're doing is reframing how we

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Speaker 2: involve those groups. And one thing that I've come to

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Speaker 2: see very clearly is that we have groups who work

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Speaker 2: on the prevention side of things who often feel like

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Speaker 2: they're not high on the agenda because there's so much

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Speaker 2: to deal with in terms of what's happened and the

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Speaker 2: reactive nature of this space, and we have to deal

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Speaker 2: with that as well, so we will. I was very

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Speaker 2: keen to elevate the Indigenous Advisory Forum. I've had a

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Speaker 2: couple of discussions with them. They are critical in dealing

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Speaker 2: with the high numbers of domestic violence victims who are Aboriginal.

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Speaker 2: I think we need Aboriginal solutions in that, we need

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Speaker 2: community leaders in that space, and so there'll be an

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Speaker 2: evolution of that group that will invite other people to

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Speaker 2: feed into that forum, as opposed to that forum feeding

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Speaker 2: into the broader forum. So they take a lead in

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Speaker 2: that because we're told regularly you need to be listening

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Speaker 2: to Aboriginal people on this issue. So I'm listening, and

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Speaker 2: I think they do some great work, and they've been

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Speaker 2: very quietly working in the background and delivering services on

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Speaker 2: the ground. And then there'll be a broader advisory opportunity

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Speaker 2: where I'll be able to have a group of people

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Speaker 2: where we have specific issues where we need expert advice,

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Speaker 2: and then we'rein the department department intersection. There will be

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Speaker 2: another group that will be formed there. So we're not

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Speaker 2: just going to have a talk fest. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: dismissing or diminishing the work that was done by that

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Speaker 2: advisory Forum. I think they've laid the groundwork very nicely

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Speaker 2: for the strategic framework and we're now in the process

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Speaker 2: developing the next step in that framework beyond the action

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Speaker 2: plan too, which expirees in June twenty twenty five. And

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Speaker 2: what we actually want to see is action, not talk.

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Speaker 3: So what will be the process for the group that

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Speaker 3: you'll be have overarching responsibility for Where where will they

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Speaker 3: be coming from?

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Speaker 2: They'll come from across the sector. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: work being done that we don't actually see very much of.

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Speaker 2: There's some people very quietly working in the background who

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Speaker 2: I think we need to elevate in the space because

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Speaker 2: they're actually getting results and seeing very I'm seeing a

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Speaker 2: really clear movement within some communities of a drawing together

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Speaker 2: of both their men and their women, which I don't

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Speaker 2: think we talk about often enough. There's a very clear

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Speaker 2: message coming through that we can't just have women's business

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Speaker 2: and men's business in this space anymore. They have to

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Speaker 2: start working together, which I think is a fantastic evolution

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Speaker 2: in that space. So we'll be the people that I've

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Speaker 2: met with and consulted with over the past six months,

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Speaker 2: they're all sorry to tell you guys, you're all in

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Speaker 2: a database. You're all on my list of people to

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Speaker 2: involve in this space, and I think that they have

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Speaker 2: such amazing input to put into this where we can

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Speaker 2: actually create programs that deliver outcomes and focus on outcomes.

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Speaker 2: I was really disappointed recently to see a report into

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Speaker 2: men's behavior programs and the evaluation was on the process

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Speaker 2: of the program. It wasn't on the outcomes of the program.

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Speaker 2: And process is not going to give us the outcomes.

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Speaker 1: And so do you, I mean, do you feel as

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Speaker 1: though we've just been leaving things status quo in the

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Speaker 1: domestic family violence sector for too long and that there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some changes in order to see some

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Speaker 1: different you know, some different outcomes.

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Speaker 2: I think, first and foremost frontline workers are doing an

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Speaker 2: amazing job. They're working in a really, really difficult environment

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Speaker 2: and they feel they really need to be supported, and

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Speaker 2: they absolutely have my support, and we will do whatever

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Speaker 2: we can to help make their job as progress and

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Speaker 2: as straightforward as we can so they can deliver their services.

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Speaker 2: But yes, we can see from the increase in domestic

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Speaker 2: violence incidences. We talked about that terrible situation in Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs where we still don't know where that potential victim is,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we put a call out to everybody

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Speaker 2: in that area to keep an eye out for her.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing this repeated offending, this repeated assaults occurring. We're

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Speaker 2: not making a shift in that space. So we clearly

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Speaker 2: have to do something differently and we have to approach

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Speaker 2: it in a different way. And sometimes that means that

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Speaker 2: you have to put to one side what's been in

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Speaker 2: place and create a new environment so that you can

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Speaker 2: get a different result. You can't get a different result

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Speaker 2: if you keep doing things the same way. Well, look

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Speaker 2: we're going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: It is almost ten o'clock, so it's been wonderful to

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Speaker 1: have you both in the studio with us this morning

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Speaker 1: discussing the issues of the week. Minister Robin Carl, Minister

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Speaker 1: for Domestic Family and Sexual Violence as well as Business

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Speaker 1: Asian Relation and Trade, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 1: time today. Gary Shipway, the head of News that the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory News. Great to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both so much for your time