1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: used by leading innovators to get so much out of 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imbach. I'm an 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: organizational psychologist, the founder of innovation consultancy Inventium, and I'm 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with finding ways to optimize my work day. This 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: episode is another my favorite tip episode. The title is 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: probably pretty self explanatory. It's about my favorite tip from 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: each of the interviews I conduct. So I use this 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: format because sometimes myself, as a podcast listener, I just 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: want to get in, get value and then get out. 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: So my guest today is David Koshi. Kosh Koshi is 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: one of Australia's most recognized faces because he is on 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: TV every morning as the co host of seven Networks Sunrise, 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: a job that he's had for the last seventeen years, 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: and for most of those seventeen years, Sunrise has been 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Australia's number one rating breakfast show. Koshi is also the 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: chairman of Port Adelaide and is the director of Pinstripe 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Media and a reader's Digest survey found that Koshi is 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: one of the most trusted people in Australia. He's actually 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: in the top twenty five most trusted people in Australia. 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: So I was keen to have Koshi on the show 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: because I wanted to understand how he balances his world 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: as a breakfast TV host with his other business commitments. 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: And I must say in person, Koshi was exactly how 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: you expect him to be, super friendly, chatty and also 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: very thoughtful. So in this extract that I've picked, Koshi 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: takes me through his morning and evening routine and why 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: it's so critical for his life as a breakfast TV presenter. 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: My life, I cope with stress way more if there's 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: routine in my life. So I'm a very routine and 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: process driven person, so I like my life to be organized. 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: I hate being late for anything, and I hate other 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: people being late yause that throws your routtine. Now, so 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: routine at night is that basically, head off to bed 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: at around eight o'clock, quarter past eight, get my clothes 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: out for the following morning so I don't need to 37 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: need to think about it, and I always go to 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: bed and read. And that is sort of that has 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: almost become and it's a two weech sword. But the 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: good part of the two each sword is. When I'm reading, 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: my body almost says, okay, it's time to relax and 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: go to sleep. That's a problem when you're on a 43 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: plane and you decide to read a book, because then 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: you start getting really tired, so it's a real sleep 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: queue for me. 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: That's interesting. What's that of books does? Does it have 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: to be fiction or going to be non fiction? 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: It's mainly fiction and sort of escape us. I like 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: historical fiction, kind of Gilgum type books, Lord of the 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: Rings type books. Just that because I read a lot 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: during the day and read a lot of news heavy stuff. 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: I just want to completely get away from that. 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Just segn out and you're laying out your clothes the 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: night before and. 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: So you don't need to make a decision in the morning. 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've heard you talk about decision fatigue being 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: a thing that it's reducing the amount of decisions that 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: you have to make. 59 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: That's right. And the morning routine is usually done in 60 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a daze to start with, so you 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: don't want to think too much about it. And probably 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: the morning routine is the is the stricter. One get 63 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: up at three forty seven exactly every morning. That's when 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: the alarm goes off. I have a about a nine 65 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: minute workout. But I do that. I can sort of 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,559 Speaker 2: do anywhere, whether it's at home or on the road, 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: and I leave have all my clothes, and I leave 68 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: the apartment basically within a minute every day and it's 69 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: only a short drive to the studio. So I'm able 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: to do that and sort of the workout routine, get 71 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: your body moving, get your thinking clears the haze, and 72 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: it's a really good way. Have a banana, drink a 73 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: fair bit of water and start the day and get moving. 74 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so three forty seven. I've heard you actually 75 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: have three alarms. 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: That right, I have three alarms. I've only I was 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: asked to do Sunrise for three months, to fill in 78 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: for three months, and that's almost seventeen years ago, so 79 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: that's sort of a bit of a hobby that's got 80 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: out of control. But I've only slept in once in 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: that seventeen years. I was scared the living day. It 82 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: just throws your body out for the whole day. I 83 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: can never do this again. 84 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: Was the producer calling you going? Where are you? 85 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but I had my phone. I'm doing 86 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: the which I usually do sort of scheduled in because 87 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: it is amazing if you have if you have a 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: mobile number for a long time, it's amazing the number 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: of people who call your at nine or ten o'clock 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: and you're fast asleep, so you just don't want to 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: be disturbed. But now now smartphones have if it's if 92 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: it's in your favorites, and they call twice, then it 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: gets through. So that's really good. So I have a 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: limited number of favorites that get through. So I have 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: an electronic alarm, and then I have a battery backup 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: on the side table, and then I set my phone, 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: which I've actually got to get out of bed to 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: turn it off. And they're all five minutes apart. So 99 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: it's good, and I thought I can sleep better at 100 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: night if you know a lot, there's no possibility that 101 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: you're going to got to miss the wake up. 102 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I could imagine and your nine minute workout? What are you? 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: What are you fitting into nine minutes? What does that look? 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: I work out with a guy twice a week. It's 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: part of my schedule every Tuesday and Thursday from ten 106 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: to eleven. And I always thought personal trainers were sort 107 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: of for winkers. Until I started training to do Kilimanjaro 108 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: the first time, and a local gym said, we'll give 109 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: you a trainer to get you ready for it. And 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: I've been going to that same trainer now for almost 111 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: fifteen years, and I just kept going because I couldn't 112 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: believe the difference it made in me coping with my 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: hours and what I do during the week. It just 114 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: it was like finding God. It was amazing. You know 115 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: that you you just feel so much better and your 116 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: body moves so much better. So I build that into 117 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: my schedule. It's mainly resistant training with him twice a week, 118 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: and then I try and do a cardio session or 119 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: two by myself after that. 120 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: And did he design the nine minute workout for you? Okay? 121 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: So what did he put in that? 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: The person who gave me the idea was Jack Dorsey 123 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: from Twitter. 124 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: From Twitter, Yeah, because. 125 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: I interviewed him at once and like, I get fascinated 126 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: with what makes people tick, And I said, how can 127 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: you cope with being a chief executive of not just 128 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: one billion dollar corporation in Twitter, but Square, which is 129 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: another billion dollar corporation. And he has this routine where 130 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: he meditates of the morning. He has a short workout himself. 131 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: He says is no fail routines, that there's no excuse 132 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: not to do them, and a routine that you can 133 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: do anywhere. And also he listens to podcasts while he's 134 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: walking to his first appointment or to the office. So 135 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: I thought about and I've worked out a program with 136 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: this trainer I go to and it is all about 137 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: and particularly for some of my age, it is getting 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: upper back, neck, all that posture stuff going well, knees, 139 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: lower body. So it's a whole it's a whole series 140 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: of movement exercises more than anything else, to stretch your 141 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: muscles and just get the body and shoulders and neck 142 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: and upper body and knees going. 143 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: That's great, gosh, he's nine minutes workout. Sually, there's an 144 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: half in that or something good breath, good, broath and 145 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: what happens when from when you get to the studio 146 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: to when you go to air at five point thirty, it's. 147 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: Sort of a continuous role. For example, it's it's lunchtime 148 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: that we're recording this. I've already had two preliminary rundowns 149 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: of a suggested format and potential segments and interviews for 150 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: tomorrow's show come through by the end of the day. 151 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: That will change in other six or seven times as 152 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: news stories develop and things come in. We have a 153 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: team of researchers and producers that send through briefing notes 154 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: for each of the segments, so you try and keep 155 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: on top of them during the day. So by the 156 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: time I go to bed, I've got a rough idea 157 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: of what's in the show the next morning, and have 158 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: usually gone through the briefing notes attached to each of 159 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: the segments. But of course so many things can happen overnight, 160 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: so when I get up, get into the studio in 161 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: the morning, talk to our line producer who's been there 162 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: since who they get give it to. So sunmarizes almost 163 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: a twenty four hour operation. Get a briefing on what's 164 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: changed again, do the research on any of the stories 165 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: that have changed, go through the papers and online what's 166 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: been happening overnight or what the other media outlets are 167 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: running through. Then going to makeup, which is pretty quick 168 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: for me because I have no hair, so that's a 169 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: four and a half minute process, where the girls it's 170 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: about an hour. So that's the beauty of it. Being 171 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: a bloke in TV. You're a lot less maintenance than 172 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: if you're a female working. 173 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: On Yeah, and so when you're going through the news 174 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I imagine, like during the day, 175 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: what do your go to news sources? 176 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: I've got a fairly ecliptic range, obviously, said news digital 177 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: platform seven, news dot com dot are you but news 178 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: dot com, SMH, follow CNN, Bloomberg, which is pretty important 179 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: for the financial So my favorite magazine in the world 180 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: online is The Economist, and sort of I keep up 181 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 2: to date with The Economist as well, and then at 182 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: non financial or news at Vanity Fair. I reckon Vanity 183 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: Fair is the best digital magazine in the world. They 184 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: do it so well. I love it as a magazine. 185 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: But that's for away from news and business and finances. 186 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Hi, it's me again now. What I love about Koshi's 187 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: routine is that he minimizes decisions at so many points 188 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: in his morning and look, I personally loved the idea 189 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: of choosing clothes the day before. I personally sometimes do that. 190 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Having the same thing for breakfast definitely something I'm a 191 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: fan of, And also a routine for getting across the 192 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: news too, which I thought was pretty cool. So I 193 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: think even if you're not presenting breakfast TV for a living, 194 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: which is probably pretty much every listener. There are some 195 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: great ideas here to make one's morning far less stressful. 196 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: So that's it for today. If you like this excerpt, 197 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: you might want to listen to my full chat with Koshi, 198 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: which I linked to in the show notes. And if 199 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: you're enjoying how I work, why not tell somebody else 200 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: about it and spread the love. So thank you so 201 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: much for listening, thank you for sharing how I work 202 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: with other people that you know, and I will see 203 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: you next time.