1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It is time for the 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: week that was. 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Now we might start with Jared mainly, of course, joining 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: us from the CELP this morning. 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 6 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. We've got a full 7 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 3: house here today and a big dog. 8 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 4: Wait. 9 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: We've got Tom Morgan from the Anti News. Good morning 10 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: to you, Tom. 11 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: We've got Selena Rubo, who is indeed the Minister for 12 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: Housing and various other things. Good morning to you, Selena, Katie, 13 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Good morning listeners. And it is bring your dog to 14 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: workday today. And Kezia Puric. Keezia, have you bought your dog. 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Or is that a horse? 16 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 5: One of my horses? 17 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 6: I bought the delicate fifty four kilogram Italian Master for Georgio. 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Dad said, she waits the same mad as me. 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 7: Georgia is a gentle giant. 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: She's beautiful. 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: Oh she's caught in my headphone, so hopefully I don't 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: choke her. But anyway, we better get into it because 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: I tell you what we might well, we may need 24 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: a therapy dog today. 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 26 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: We hopefully will be all right, but you never know 27 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: what's going to happen in this studio. Honor on a Friday, 28 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: and after two weeks of estimates. It has been an 29 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: incredibly interesting couple of weeks. Now, last week we spoke 30 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: about the fact that there'd been the IKAC Commissioner, you know, 31 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: speaking about having that budget cut. 32 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: This week there has been quite a bit go on. 33 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: We know that obviously, yesterday that budget did pass into 34 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: law at his months after its architect, Michael Gonna step 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: down as the Chief Minister in quite dramatic fashion. Now 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: we also know that that the new speaker was sworn in. 37 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: Now where should we go first? We know that it 38 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: was a bit of a surprise I think yesterday afternoon 39 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: Keizier when we all knew that Mark Monahan was going 40 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: to be put forward as the new Speaker for the 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: Northern Territory Legislative Assembly. And then well, Jared Maylee, you 42 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: popped up and you nominated someone as well. 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: Yes, I nominated Keasy because we just thought the CLP 44 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: that winning someone who is a long serving politician who's 45 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: got a lot of knowledge and knows what's going on, 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: because the speaker's role is really important. 47 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: The Speaker is basically the boss of the House. 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: And Kisi has got the experience and she's got the 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: knowledge just important to have someone up there who knows 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: what's going on. 51 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: I know some people would say that an independent speaker 52 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: is a you know, he's a good thing. It had 53 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: happened obviously in the past, Keys here, you would have 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: been happy to step back in there, would you know. 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 6: I was quite prepared to take on the role again 56 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 6: if that was the way the cards were going to fall. 57 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: But clearly, you know, odds were high against it because 58 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 6: some government had nominated a member for Fong Limit had 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 6: been acting in the role for some weeks now. But 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 6: as Jared said, I mean sometimes you have to just 61 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 6: step up and you know, it's a democratic process and 62 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 6: why should it be a lay down bazaire that you know, 63 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 6: this person gets sort of that person gets it. The 64 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 6: other thing, too, Katie is is in the past, there's 65 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 6: always been a convention leading into the election of a 66 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 6: speaker where the government of the day lets the opposition 67 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 6: know who they're going to nominate. And my understanding is 68 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 6: that this didn't happen that time. So yes, clearly that 69 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 6: was mister Mornihan was going to be the speaker. But 70 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 6: there's usually a courtesy offered to the opposition and that's 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 6: what's happening. I find as time passes is people lose 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 6: corporate memory and they lose corporate intelligence. And it's those 73 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 6: little things that make the Parliament what it is, apart 74 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 6: from the big things, which is making law and passing budgets. 75 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 6: And so that's why you know, the COLP pros and said, look, 76 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 6: you know, this is what we're thinking. 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 7: I said, look, yeah, sure, fun you had to give 78 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 7: it a go. 79 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, there was certainly some interesting 80 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: things happened throughout the estimates process. Tom Morgan, you've been there, 81 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: you know for a large part of that that estimates 82 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: process suffering soul. 83 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 8: Yeah. 84 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: I was going to say, how are you feeling if 85 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: it needed about thirty coffees through it. 86 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: My third coffee in the morning. No, it was right. 87 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's been interesting. I know that some interesting information 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: did come to life. Well yesterday around and I the 89 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: company's supplying gas to the Northern Territories power plants. It's 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: not been meeting its contractual obligations. Now Power and Water 91 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Corporations officials obviously confirmed that. 92 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Yesterday. 93 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: We know that the Henderson government struck that twenty five 94 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: year deal with E and I more than ten years 95 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: ago to supply gas from the black Tip gas field. 96 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: So what exactly was seed yesterday? 97 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: It was very interesting. 98 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 9: It was basically just said that that and I wasn't 99 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 9: meeting its contractual obligations. As you said, there was one 100 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 9: I'm not sure if it was a slip of the tongue, 101 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 9: but it was said sort of without any fanfare that 102 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 9: it was a legal proceeding, so someone couldn't necessarily comment 103 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 9: further it was a legal matter. 104 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: Now. 105 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 9: I don't think anything has been vile in the courts yet, 106 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 9: but considering how much you know, gas is selling for 107 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 9: on the East Coast, if there was excess gas that 108 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 9: Power and Water could have sold off that it hasn't 109 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 9: had the ability to sell off because and I hasn't. 110 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 7: Been locked into a contract. 111 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 4: Yes, then you know Pound Water. 112 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 9: You know, they've obviously predicted that they're not going to 113 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 9: make as much money this year as they're expecting, so 114 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 9: that's that's a big, big issue. I did hear that 115 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 9: there was also quite a lot of there was a 116 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 9: rush on a hand side yesterday as well, after after 117 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 9: Power and Water appeared. Yeah, there was obviously a bit 118 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 9: of a rush to find out what was said in 119 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 9: estimates during that sitting. 120 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: Selena, is it you who's wound up with the with 121 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: the power, water or essential services portfolio? 122 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 7: That's right sitting. 123 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: What is the situation? 124 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: What is the situation now with this gas because is 125 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: he and I used as a backup or is it 126 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: our main source of where we're getting our gas to 127 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: power the territory. 128 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 8: It's the main supply, and particularly the black Tip site Katie, 129 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 8: which is obviously located on the west of the Northern Territory. 130 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 8: Those contractual obligations and engagements do cover us here in 131 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 8: the territory until twenty thirty four, so we do have 132 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 8: that guaranteed supply which has basically buffet us from what 133 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 8: the rest of the country has been experienced on the 134 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 8: East coast. 135 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 10: The Northern Territory and Western. 136 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 8: Australia are both on there. 137 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 10: We're both on. 138 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 8: Our individual power supplies, so we don't connect to the 139 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 8: national electricity market. So we've been largely uninterrupted in terms 140 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 8: of what's being experienced on the East. 141 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 10: Coast with the energy crisis that is there. 142 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 8: Through the process with E and I's work that the 143 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 8: government and Power and Water have been working very closely 144 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 8: with the and I Power and Water have secured the 145 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 8: backup sources of supply for gas in that process. But 146 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 8: again anything that has a commercial arrangement and contracts do 147 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 8: have those legal oversights. So that work has been very 148 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 8: carefully managed. But what I can reassure territorians as lights 149 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 8: will stay on and that our power supply is not 150 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 8: a danger of being turned off. 151 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: It that is incredibly important. 152 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 10: It is the opposite. 153 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: It's incredibly important though, is that those obligations are being meshed. 154 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: And if they're not being messed you know. 155 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: What steps is in all the territory government going to 156 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: take monetary wise or otherwise. You know, if these obligations 157 00:06:59,320 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: are being mexed. 158 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: One more thing that's important, Katie, is how did we 159 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: get to this point? How did we let it get 160 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: this far where we're talking about going to court because 161 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: there's a shortage of gas. So obviously the government has 162 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: dropped the ball here because it hasn't just happened overnight, 163 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: it's been going for a while. 164 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 5: And how did we I. 165 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 8: Just want to correct about Katie. There's absolutely been no 166 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 8: dropping of the ball. This has been a lot of 167 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 8: careful work and obviously the cop opposition Jerry doesn't actually 168 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 8: understand the processes when you're talking about commercial contracts, lawyer. 169 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 10: Commercial contract It was really not helpful. 170 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 8: But the work that being is being done by our 171 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 8: government and particularly through power and Water. I think Thomas 172 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 8: did mention it earlier. What it does mean for power 173 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 8: and water is that it does affect some of the 174 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 8: on sale to those larger customers, which is again the 175 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 8: profiting for power and water. So that's where some of 176 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 8: those areas and concerns are, particularly around supply and the 177 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 8: downstream supply. But the important thing is Katie, Territorians, homes, 178 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 8: business residences will not be affected through this. 179 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 9: There would be a lot of buyers on the East 180 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 9: Coast right now who would be paying an absolute manza 181 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 9: for the gas if we had it. I do think, 182 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 9: you know, maybe we should have been told about this 183 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 9: because there was a lot of talk. I think even 184 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 9: a week ago there was an article that I saw 185 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 9: in one news organization, you know, saying how great the 186 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 9: Territories you know set up was because it had ensured 187 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 9: that we were isolated and insulated from the issues that 188 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 9: were going on on the East Coast. Now it turns 189 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 9: out that necessarily wasn't the case. Now was it, And 190 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 9: you also have the situation where we've had to go 191 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 9: to other buyers alternative make alternative arrangements for gas. It 192 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 9: was interesting yesterday and estimates it was mentioned that we'd 193 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 9: managed to buy that gas for a similar rate what 194 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 9: we'd been buying it off Black Tip, which I'm very 195 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 9: interested to see how that happened, considering how expensive natural 196 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 9: gas is becoming so well, I. 197 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 6: Mean, there's if there's an issue. It sounds like there's 198 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 6: an issue with the supply, which means the black Tip 199 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 6: has it's been rated about one trillion cubic feet of 200 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 6: gas and that was meant to last us for twenty 201 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 6: plus years to. 202 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: Sue all of the contract was twenty five years. 203 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 7: Twenty five years. 204 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 6: So if there's starting to become an issue with the supply, 205 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 6: then that means they're starting to become an issue with 206 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 6: the gas that's being extracted from Black Tip. Just because 207 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 6: it says it's one trilling cubit feet doesn't mean that's 208 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 6: what you're going to actually extract. 209 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: What do you reckon? They're running out. 210 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: Well understanding that they're selling their gas off to the 211 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: East coast. Maybe they're taking advantage of the high prices and. 212 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 5: We suffering. 213 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 9: You know, how do we get a big good grounds 214 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 9: for legal action, I would imagine, But. 215 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: Then how are they going to get the gas to 216 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: the East coast. 217 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 5: Well, there's a pipeline over there now, well, who. 218 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 6: Knows illegal legal stuff? And maybe when we find out 219 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 6: if it gets to court, what exactly all about it. 220 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 9: I do think there was a need for probably transparency 221 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 9: earlier in the year that this was happening, and I'm 222 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 9: just so territories. 223 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: I also think that it's you know, it pays the 224 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: way for us making sure that we get it right 225 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: in any potential future deals that have done as well, 226 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: and we know that this morning it has been announced 227 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: that Infrastructure Australia has today announced at the Australian Asia 228 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: Power Length the AAP or the AA Powerlink, I should say, 229 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: has met all requirements of the Infrastructure Priority least, advancing 230 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: the project to Stage three. So this is the sun 231 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: Cable project. So essentially what it means is that it 232 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: is obviously going to be you know, it is going 233 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: to be powered through I guess for one of a 234 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: better word, as quickly as it can as well as 235 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: it can be. The territory government has been supporting this 236 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: thirty plus billion dollar project from the beginning, awarding it 237 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Major Project status in twenty nineteen. So this is news 238 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: just this morning from the Chief Minister, Natasha Files. I 239 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: guess you know, the big question that a lot of 240 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: people will be wondering is as this project gets underway, 241 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: and when it gets underway, are we going to make 242 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: sure that there is some of that power, say for 243 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. 244 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: Rather than just exporting it. 245 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 8: Yes, Kadis is obviously a very exciting project for the 246 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 8: Northern Territory and the commitment from sun Cable to use 247 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 8: their base here in the territory has been phenomenal. So 248 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 8: one of the conversations that we've had, I know many territories, 249 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 8: businesses and residents alike have been talking about what's the 250 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 8: capacity to have domestic use for that energy, for that 251 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 8: export that is anticipated through that project for the energy supply, 252 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 8: and then also what is the opportunity again for national 253 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 8: and international supply chain. 254 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 10: So it is a lot of work. 255 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 8: It's something that I'm very excited to learn about in 256 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 8: just over a month of having the energy portfolio. But 257 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 8: the Northern Territory is absolutely well placed to be able 258 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 8: to drive this project, support this project and to see 259 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 8: some of the. 260 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: Benefits of gen buyer. Is it still Singapore, Yes, so 261 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: we do still have them locked in as a client 262 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: or they are still definitely locked in. 263 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 10: So Singapore is. 264 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 8: The main contact for where that energy will get streamed to. 265 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 8: What we're working as for the Northern Territory government is 266 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 8: what type of percentage could be kept here for the 267 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 8: domestic Northern Territory market and again as I mentioned, for 268 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 8: the national market, particularly around the East Coast supply. 269 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 9: It says here that the Powerlink cable will deliver significant 270 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 9: benefits to Australia, including eight hundred megawatts of zero carbon 271 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 9: electricity for Northern Australia. Now my understanding is that's about 272 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 9: half the demand of Brisbane, so that's a lot of 273 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 9: a lot of electricity. Now, I don't know how the 274 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 9: Northern Territory could use eight hundred megawatts of electricity and 275 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,479 Speaker 9: a single. 276 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 7: Downstream processing of minerals. 277 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: Perhaps there's a lot of. 278 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 5: That needs if that needs to be locked in so. 279 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: You don't wane power going past out to Singapore and 280 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: missing out and we have to do burn gas and 281 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: we have to buy new generators we've got all this 282 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: un cable. If it's going through once, we don't want 283 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: it's done cable to turn out like the water bottles 284 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: and prawn farm. They need to make sure the due 285 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: Dilixies has done that this actually goes in because we 286 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: fully support it and it's going to be great for 287 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: the territory, but we don't want to it's undertaking. 288 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 9: Some company someone said in estimates, either from Territory Generation 289 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 9: or from Power and Water, that even when we have 290 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 9: the capacity to run the entire grid off solar, say 291 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 9: during the middle of the day, that still need to 292 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 9: have a gas plant. 293 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still going to have it there as backup, 294 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: is my understanding of it. I know I worked for 295 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: Power and Water quite some time ago, and that was 296 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: the situation. I think we saw that not so long 297 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: ago in our springs as well, when there was that 298 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: cloud coverage that then well, it was a little while 299 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: back now, I guess it's probably a year or two 300 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: ago where there was that cloud coverage then prevented because 301 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: they didn't have the backup system ready to sort of 302 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: switch on. 303 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: There was quite a substantial outage. 304 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 8: So the exciting part obviously about renewable energies is the 305 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 8: whole country and the whole world is looking to shift 306 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 8: to a greener and less impact on the environment by 307 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 8: using renewables. 308 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 10: What I've learnt with. 309 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 8: The portfolio so far is about the certainty of stability 310 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 8: of energy supply when we're talking about feeding into our 311 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 8: electricity grids, and how the impact is of usage versus storage, 312 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 8: and also the work that's being done in the solar space. 313 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 8: It's new technology. The rest of the country is also 314 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 8: experiencing the challenges with new technology. So our responsibility as 315 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 8: a government is making sure that there is security instability 316 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 8: of supply, but also that we're not overloading our grids 317 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 8: and that there is an instability course that. Obviously renewables 318 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 8: are talking about the sun when the sun's shining with 319 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 8: solar and when the clouds go over you have our 320 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 8: big monsoonal storms here in the top end. When it's 321 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 8: raining in Central Australia, when it's nighttime, there's changes to 322 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 8: the level fed in and also being used, so that 323 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 8: all the backups do make a big difference. 324 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 325 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: Now there has been so much covered off obviously during 326 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: the estimates process. One of the topics or one of 327 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: the situations that I thought was quite interesting. 328 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Earlier in the week. 329 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: We did speak to Robin Lanley on the show earlier 330 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: in the week about those staff shortages within our correctional facilities. 331 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: Now I know that just a bit earlier this morning, 332 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: the ABC was actually speaking to a staff member from 333 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: the Alice Springs correction facility. As I understand it, and 334 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm fairly sure that he revealed forty eight staff short 335 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: in Alice. 336 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: Yes, that was what he said. 337 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 9: Now, obviously that was what I heard on the radio 338 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 9: this morning, and he was he was at pains to 339 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 9: stress that he was a union delegate who had the 340 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 9: ability to talk even though he was a staff member 341 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 9: at the prison. But he said, on an average day 342 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 9: there was sixteen Roston staff short of what they should have. 343 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 9: And he basically said, you know, if Chancey Paike wanted 344 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 9: to get an idea of the number of short staff 345 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 9: that they had across the territory, he should have just 346 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 9: called the union. Now, obviously, in estimates, he didn't have 347 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 9: those figures before him. For whatever reason. He said, I 348 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 9: think this union delegate said forty eight staff short in 349 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 9: Alice Springs and twelve staff short in Darwin. 350 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: It's a wash like it would be having a massive impact, 351 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: but I would imagine having a massive impact on some 352 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: of the programs and things that had delivered within those prisons. 353 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 6: That's right, not only programs within the prison. We all 354 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: know these programs out side of the prison and low 355 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 6: risk prisoners go and help set up things like Friends 356 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 6: Pass Show or whatever one of those big events, plus 357 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 6: other programs that they've they undertaken as. 358 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: Part of the rehabilitation mentioned the bakeries. 359 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 6: Yes he's operating it, but for forty eight is a 360 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 6: huge number of our of springs, and we know our 361 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 6: jails are pretty. 362 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: Fall must make it for the people who are actually 363 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: on shift from a very difficult because they've got to fill. 364 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 5: In those people. 365 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 7: Double ships. 366 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: Prison as well would suffer because they're not getting those 367 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: rehab programs. They're not getting ready to be released, and 368 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: maybe they're getting to be more time locked in the 369 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: sales because they can't get out. 370 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 7: The supervisor com well, it comes back, we. 371 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 5: Don't know that. It's all about the open and transparency. 372 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 6: It comes back in the first point, how did they 373 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 6: get to this situation? How did the department get to 374 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 6: this situation of having this many vacancies? I mean, we 375 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: know we've got shortages across the board, both in the 376 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 6: public sector and the private sector, but we're talking about 377 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 6: our correctional facilities where you need supervision and you need 378 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 6: it twenty four to seven. And we know we've got 379 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 6: burnout and problems within our police force and the fire service, 380 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 6: and the last attritions have burned. 381 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 7: Out with our correctional services people. 382 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 2: And I think it's hard pressed to find any industry 383 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: at the moment it's not struggling staffing wise, but this 384 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: is like, it is quite a concern. 385 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 9: I would think a thirteen million dollar overtime bill for 386 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 9: corrections attrition rate of ten percent, which is I believe 387 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 9: higher than what police suffering through. 388 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: So that's it is pretty bad. 389 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: Yep. 390 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 9: And just to go back to estimates, Chancy Pate couldn't 391 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 9: say the figure he said that you know, varied from 392 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 9: day to day, and he couldn't give a figure for 393 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 9: how many staff short there would be in the surprising 394 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 9: I knew about it. 395 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't hard to get by the sounds of it 396 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 3: because someone gave it to the ABC this morning. 397 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing it begs the question, I guess, 398 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: and this was what Robin had raised during the week 399 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: was whether he was purposely not revealing that information and 400 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: whether the government was, you know, not revealing that info 401 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: on purpose or whether it genuinely whether he and the 402 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: Corrections Commissioner couldn't answer it. 403 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 8: Obviously, a huge amount of work goes into the preparation 404 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 8: of estimates, and we all try our best, ministers and 405 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 8: senior public servants alike and all of those who support 406 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 8: us in the background to answer things on the spot 407 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 8: and of course to do due diligence to find those 408 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 8: answers if we can't do that, So. 409 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: How many staff you've got in the prison? 410 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: Like, how do you know then whether you're actually like, 411 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: surely there's staff to prisoner ratios that have to be 412 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: met in terms of safety obligations and. 413 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: All that kind of thing. 414 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: So how would you not know how many staff you've 415 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 2: got on your rosters? 416 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: What about the safety for the people who are working 417 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: there and the prisoners in themselves, the whole work health 418 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: and safety thing is really important. If you don't know 419 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: that basic information, how do you make it safe? And 420 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 3: how do you progress forward? Because you know we're not 421 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: only how do we get there? What are we going 422 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 3: to do in the few to try and fix this. 423 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 3: There's two questions here. 424 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: Can need to be answered. 425 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 9: There was unrassed earlier this year at the Alice Springs present. 426 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 9: I believe it was around the time that the rough 427 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 9: case handed down the jury handed down its findings or 428 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 9: acquitted Zachary Roff. So you know, it's not a facility 429 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 9: that's immune to you know, that's riots or to instability, 430 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 9: and it should be fully started. 431 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: Well, look, we are going to have to take a 432 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: very short break. You are listening to Mix one O 433 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: four nine's three sixty. There is an awful lot to 434 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: cover off on this morning of now, the Northern Territory 435 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: Police Association set to survey their members in coming weeks 436 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: to gauge whether the rank and file of lost confidence 437 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: in the commissioner Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker and why. We 438 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: caught up with the Police Association president earlier in the 439 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: week and he'd revealed this information to us on the show. 440 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: We know that there was also a member alert then 441 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: sent out to members, and the Northern Territory Police Association 442 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: President Paul McHugh had said in that alert that it 443 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: was clear the membership is indeed seeking to undertake a survey. 444 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: On the issue. 445 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: It is going to be interesting to see exactly what 446 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: happens or what comes out of this survey. But nonetheless, 447 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Police Executive have also issued a statement 448 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: late yesterday the Commissioner and the Police Executive saying that 449 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: they engage regularly with members of the Northern Territory Police 450 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: Force to understand issues that are concerning them and acknowledge 451 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: the exceptional work that they've all been doing. The proposed 452 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: survey is a matter for the Northern Territory Police Association, 453 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: but the sentiment around confidence first started in the months 454 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: following the event at Eun Demu in twenty nineteen. We 455 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: equally would like to understand the primary drivers of the sentiment, 456 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: as the Northern Territory Police Association Executive has also expressed. 457 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: It goes on to say it is clear that the 458 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: past two and a half years for the agency have 459 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: been extraordinary and matters relating to COVID nineteen mandates and 460 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: the number of criminal and disciplinary matters involving our members 461 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: have added to these challenges. It says we will continue 462 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: to work with the NTPA on any specific issues that 463 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: is raised through that survey, and we continue to do 464 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: so for all matters that have brought to our attention. Now, 465 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: I've got to say it's fairly extraordinary for the whole 466 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Force executive to issue a statement like that. 467 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: They've all put their name on it, and and you know, 468 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: I think that it is a good step to take. 469 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: You've got a situation here. You know, we're even earlier 470 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: in the week Paul mcew I'd asked him what is 471 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: the process going to be? Is it going to happen 472 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: at the annual conference? He said, potentially sooner. You know 473 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: that it could happen, like he's pointed out then in 474 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: that alert that went out anytime in the next next 475 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: few weeks. 476 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 9: None of the regions of already indicator no confidence in 477 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 9: the commissioner. So, I mean, it was a pretty incredible 478 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 9: statement when I when I saw it drop into my 479 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 9: inbox last night, I was wow. You know, I think 480 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 9: it just speaks to the level of pressure that they're under. 481 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 9: They obviously, you know, Jamie was a message. He was 482 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 9: grilled on it in estimates on Monday, and you know, 483 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 9: I guess he said on Monday that you know he 484 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 9: would wanted to correct the record, but that there were 485 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 9: processes in place to prevent him from doing so, or 486 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 9: he'd gotten legal advice to prevent him. 487 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 6: A very strange statement he made Tom Like I was 488 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 6: there and it was like, I want to tell the 489 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 6: truth because everything that's out there is untrue. I can't 490 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 6: fix but I know, but I can't tell the truth. 491 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 6: I'm hamstrung for a reason. And clearly you can't comment 492 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 6: on any legal activity underway, but surely he could comment 493 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 6: if there's something factually that's gone out it's not correct. 494 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 6: I can't think what off the top of my head, 495 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 6: but perhaps the number of people who are leaving or coming, 496 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 6: or the number of squads that have been planned. 497 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 7: I mean, if there's factual stuff like that that's not correct, 498 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 7: well that could be corrected. So it was just a stress. 499 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: I think it's clear that some serious issues in the 500 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: police force, and I suppose the question of how did 501 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: we get here? Again, the Minister keeps saying, oh, it 502 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: was the commissioner. Well, I don't want to talk a 503 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: negative about the commissioner. I want to talk about the 504 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: bigger problems. This is really a syntemic problem that the 505 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: minister needs to come out and say how they're going 506 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: to fix it, because the police are very important. If 507 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: there someone gets into trouble, you always call the police 508 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: and they do a great job, you know. Twenty four 509 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: to seven come around, and I'm sure they deal with 510 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: some really terrible situations, but they already need that leadership 511 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: and they need to make sure this whole problem gets 512 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: resolved because it's very difficult, in my guess, to go 513 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: to work when you're feeling unhappy or unsafe, or there's 514 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 3: low morale or people are leaving, so it just makes 515 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 3: it the whole situation bad. So it really needs to 516 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: The government needs to come in and we're going to 517 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: do to fix it. 518 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: It's got to get sordered, there's no doubt about it, 519 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: you know. 520 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 9: Putting aside the events in you under Moon in twenty nineteen, 521 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 9: a part of this sort of talks about, you know, 522 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 9: the COVID nineteen mandates and sort of the pressure that 523 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 9: police came under dealing with COVID. Every police force in 524 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 9: the country had to. 525 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 4: Deal with that. 526 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 9: Yeah, and there were some places like Melbourne and Sydney 527 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 9: that had lockdowns for months and months and months. 528 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: We didn't have those. 529 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: I wonder though whether what the issue was was not 530 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 2: only dealing with that COVID situation, but not having the 531 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: staffing levels that we may be required for then staff 532 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: to be able to have a break, be able to 533 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: have their leave. I know that you couldn't necessarily travel anywhere, 534 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 2: but we know that there were obviously officers who were 535 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: out on those checkpoints along the Stuart Highway and other 536 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: locations at different times for periods of time, taken away 537 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: from their normal jobs. And tom the point you make 538 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: is very correct that they were doing that in other 539 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: states and territories too, But I do wonder whether those 540 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: staffing levels have had some impact as well, because if 541 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: you then don't have enough staff to be able to 542 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: back you up in terms of being able to have 543 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: a couple of days off or not, you would think 544 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: that that would have its like it would have its toll. 545 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 5: You want to have those experience stuff. 546 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: Think everyone knows that my dad was a policeman, and 547 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: he was to say that, you know, when you come 548 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: out of training and you've done all your training, which 549 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: is great, but you're not really an experienced police officer. 550 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: You need to go and do on the job. You 551 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: need to deal with these people and here telling me stories. 552 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: When he was doing a job for twenty years, the 553 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 3: new people would come out of college and all gone home. 554 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: But sometimes these need to take a step back and relax. 555 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: And that's the experience. And as these older people are leaving, 556 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 3: I know, we're recruiting new people and the numbers are 557 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 3: staying roughly the aret, but losing. 558 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: That experience of how to deal with these people. 559 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: And some of these people are get in trouble all 560 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 3: the time, and the police build a relationships with them 561 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 3: and they go around and they know where they are. 562 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: Come on Doney, get in the back or whatever, and 563 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: it's no big deal. But if you lose that experience 564 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: with all these people are leaving and you're putting new 565 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 3: people in, which is great, but that losing that experience 566 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: is how do you think that that's the problem. 567 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 6: A lot of it's a bit like our job, a 568 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 6: slender jered of myself. Sometimes it's not so much you're 569 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 6: a politician. Sometimes you're a counselor, and sometimes you've just 570 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 6: got to have the best ears in town to listen 571 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 6: and you know all that sort of stuff. 572 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 7: And I think what. 573 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 6: Jared's alluding to is the police do their police stuff 574 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 6: from a regulatory and at least point of view, but 575 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 6: a lot of the time there's this other aspect that 576 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 6: the human nature, the counseling that yes, I know that 577 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 6: family's going through a rough time and so I'll do 578 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 6: this or I'll call this mate in or something, and 579 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 6: that kind of stuff is really hard to document, and 580 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 6: I think that's what's happening. 581 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 7: A lot of these more senior police officers. 582 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 6: I mean, we've got tabled in Parliament the number that 583 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 6: we're leaving from what rank and from the exit interviews, 584 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 6: that's right, and those officers are going and that kind 585 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 6: of intelligence is not being passed through or down to 586 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 6: the new recruits, so they're probably just coming out. And 587 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 6: I'm being general here, I know without that sort of 588 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 6: feel and understanding of the other aspects of the job 589 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 6: that are intangible. 590 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: Well, and some of the other things that have been 591 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: raised with me by the Association and indeed police officers themselves, 592 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: is you know that we don't necessarily have policies to 593 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: support to support them in some ways. 594 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: I well, we know that's where we stobslutely. 595 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 6: There was no output and there was a lot of questions, 596 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 6: and I got a copy of the report, that mental 597 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 6: well Being report or whatever it was called, that the 598 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 6: police undertook. But you know, there's obviously a lot of 599 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 6: focus as there isn't a lot of workplaces for a 600 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 6: variety of reasons. But they don't seem to categorize it 601 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 6: into a budget area. They've stuck it into workers comp 602 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 6: Now it's not workers compensation. Workers compensation is when the 603 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 6: person's being wounded or injured and getting them back to work. 604 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 6: But there should be something, an output group or a 605 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 6: category in the budget that deals with addressing the things 606 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 6: about humans that happened in the workplace. 607 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 5: I think this report was released in March and nothing's happened. 608 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 4: Released it was it was finalized in my life. 609 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been released to the public. 610 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 9: And then there were you know, obviously a fair number 611 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 9: of high profile incidents involving police mental health, which you know, 612 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 9: I won't go too much into, but those sorts of 613 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 9: you know, there was a lot of commentary around where 614 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 9: is this report at that time, and it just feels 615 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 9: like it hasn't gone anywhere. 616 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 4: And now we're hearing, oh, there's. 617 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 9: A cabinet submission coming up and we're going to you know, 618 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 9: put all these recommendations to cabinet and hope that you know, 619 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 9: they're all accepted by. 620 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 4: The Police Minister and cabinet. 621 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 9: I just think that there needs to be a bit 622 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 9: more of a we need to start getting moving with 623 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 9: this now. 624 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: Do we have any ideas Selena if it's far away, 625 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: if there's an announcement far off, Katie. 626 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 8: Obviously, being a police officer in the territory is one 627 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 8: of the toughest jobs that you can come about, so 628 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 8: just recognizing the pressures and obviously it's been echoed already 629 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 8: by the speakers this morning in regards to the challenges 630 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 8: that have been faced particularly of the last two years. 631 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 8: And just to you know, add to Thomas's comment in 632 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 8: regards to the you know, the extended lockdown peers that 633 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 8: were experienced in other parts of the country. We had 634 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 8: police literally sitting on the border with other entities of 635 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 8: course as well, and that was extreme fatigue being out 636 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 8: and and many police did push their leave on to 637 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 8: take it at later dates because they were there working 638 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 8: to keep territory and safe, which is what then also 639 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 8: buffet us out from having those extended periods and those 640 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 8: months and months of lockdowns which were seen in other jurisdictions. 641 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 8: So I just wanted to add that because forgetting a 642 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 8: bit of that and the work that they did, they 643 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 8: were out of sight, out of minds, they were they 644 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 8: were people number of police officers. In terms of the 645 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 8: support obviously the conversation around mental health and well being 646 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 8: for police. You know, our territory labor government has looked 647 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 8: at the presumptive legislation which includes post traumatic stress disorder 648 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 8: and recognizing that as an impact on the workforce for 649 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 8: our emergency service and frontline providers. 650 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 10: I think that is huge, going to all. 651 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 8: The points that have been said already when we're talking 652 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 8: about the stress and the trauma that our frontline workers 653 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 8: and in particular police, they see some horrible things on 654 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 8: a daily basis, but really addressing the challenges that they 655 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 8: need to be able to do their job well but 656 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 8: also to be well and to. 657 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: Know you're talking about in the past, but what are 658 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: you doing into the future to fix this because mental 659 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: health and it's been the report, it's been sitting on 660 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: someone's desk, you know, moving forward, what's going to happen 661 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: because it's a very serious matter and the police needs support. 662 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 8: And it's about recognizing that more people are now talking 663 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 8: about mental health and well being. It doesn't become something 664 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 8: that's hidden in the shadows. It becomes part of the workforce, 665 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 8: that there are check ins, that there are regular processes 666 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 8: to support mental health and well being, and more of 667 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 8: that work is absolutely needed. 668 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: That's true. 669 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 9: But when you look at the attrition figures that we're 670 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 9: starting to see now, there's obviously something that's that's gone 671 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 9: terribly wrong with absolutely. 672 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 5: And the commission. There is something terribly wrong and the 673 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 5: up to the government to fix it well. 674 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: And I do think that obviously a huge part of that, 675 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, is that police in a lot of ways 676 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 2: aren't feeling maybe as supported as they as they should be. 677 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: I know that those. 678 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: Police assaults as well, obviously would have a massive impact 679 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: going to work, being spat on, threatened, all sorts of things. 680 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: There are certain things that you expect a part and 681 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: parcel of your job, but others that you go it's 682 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: just not you know, it should not be tolerated. But look, 683 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: we are going to have to take a bit of 684 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: a break and when we come back, I am keen 685 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: to discuss the situation in what air Right now, it 686 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: is just twenty three minutes away from ten o'clock. You 687 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. 688 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: You are listening to the week that was. We've got 689 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Jered Maylee, Tom Morgan, Kezier Puric and Selena Ubo in 690 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: the studio with us this morning, and Kesy is talking and. 691 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: Georgio, well, Georgia is paying attention. 692 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: Georgia is having a little nap in the corner, which 693 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: is what I wouldn't mind doing. I'm a bit tired today, 694 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: but can't nap with you mob. She's doing very well 695 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: to have a nap there in the corner. But look, 696 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: there has the very serious issue throughout this week of 697 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: the violence in what Air spilling into the Darwin community 698 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: as well. We know that three men were arrested in 699 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: relation to a terrible incident which occurred in Jingly in 700 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: the early hours of Saturday morning. That vision really went 701 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: viral on social media after a person was allegedly struck 702 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: by a car. Now, we did catch up earlier in 703 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: the week with Commander Danny Bacon and spoke about that 704 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: he had said that they were expecting arrests to be made. 705 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: They were indeed made. But what we also know we 706 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: caught up with Michael, one of the managers from Mitchell 707 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: See in Berrima, and he told us about the crossbows 708 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: and the are they called arrows I think, and the 709 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: compound bows which had been stolen. Now he really didn't 710 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: know whether they'd been taken out into the community. He 711 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: had said that they also you know that they sell 712 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: them obviously as well. But when we spoke to the 713 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: assistant commissioner yesterday he said that yes, you know, they 714 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: were indeed investigating that link and what we know. Then 715 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: photos of also emerged on social media of people with 716 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: trust that yeah, cross bowl injuries and well. 717 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 6: Not only well, crossbows on a road somewhere, you know, 718 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 6: in a sort of combative kind of posession. And then 719 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 6: a fellow who had a bloody arrow sticking out of 720 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 6: his bloody top of delta a muscle and it would 721 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 6: have gone in quite a way. 722 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: So if they hit you in the chest, you know, 723 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: but I reckon, you'd be pretty hard to recover. 724 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 7: The compound bows and those listening know about them, and 725 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 7: you know. 726 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: They were messaging during the week the listeners to tell 727 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: me that they can take down a bloody buffalo. 728 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 6: Yes, they can speed and also impact so the fact 729 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 6: and I read the story somewhere about Mitchell' I think 730 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 6: they lost about thirty crossbows and associated arrows or whatever. 731 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 6: And it's not the first time this business has been 732 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 6: ransacked and rob I mean last time they took. 733 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: A whole lot of knives, and I think they've been 734 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: robbed the last two weeks. 735 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: We've spoken to them, so we've spoken to him a 736 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: couple of times. 737 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: So Monday they got broken into, and they have previously 738 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: been broken into as well, and you know, they called 739 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: me because what was the real worry for them is 740 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: that they've had their gates smashed and they've had their 741 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: door smashed in. It's meant that they couldn't operate on 742 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: Monday morning. You know, you feel for businesses obviously the impact. 743 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 6: Yes, it's not a random O let's go see what 744 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 6: we can find in here, like a bit of money, 745 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 6: few knives, whatever, it's it's a I think it's a 746 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 6: deliberate targeting to get the weapons to take them back out. 747 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: Which is frightening. 748 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it's frightening for so many reasons, but it's 749 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: frightening when you think of women and children in those 750 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: communities as well. 751 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 6: If you miss if you're aiming at a target the 752 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 6: other guy, guy having a fight with and you miss 753 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 6: the area is going to. 754 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 7: Go quite away. Yeah, that's the very scary thought. 755 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: And of course the flow on from this. 756 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: We know that there has been a huge amount of 757 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: unrest in the community of what Air. It's it is 758 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: quite you know, it's quite historically known that there are 759 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: there is unrest, you know, quite often, I guess you'd say, 760 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: or often enough that we're all aware of that that 761 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: historic you know, fighting that does occur, But at the 762 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: moment there seems to be some real worries out there. 763 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: It did also see a substantial amount of dammage to 764 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: homes out there now, Selena, I know that there is 765 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: I think there's about five hundred odd people that are 766 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: displaced right now as a result of those times being 767 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 2: really quite badly damaged. 768 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 8: So there is an immediate response and a task force 769 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 8: that's been stood up in regards to I guess the 770 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 8: immediate welfare checks and responses. So five hundred and forty 771 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 8: five people to our count have been displaced in whatever 772 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 8: and the surrounding homelands in the West Daily region. When 773 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 8: we're looking at the immediate response and the welfare response Katie. 774 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 8: Some of the areas that we've had to address very 775 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 8: swiftly and immediately shelter for people, drinking water, access to 776 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 8: ebolutions and amenity in terms of hygiene, toilets and showers, 777 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 8: and also access to food. So there have been our 778 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 8: immediate responses that we've stood up through multi agency collaboration. 779 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 8: So the work that is being done Obviously police we 780 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 8: spoke about them before doing a phenomenal job out there. 781 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 10: There is still the. 782 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 8: Waves of unrest and those very heightened and intense periods. 783 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 8: They are all under investigation if there have been events 784 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 8: that have occurred. Obviously, I've spoken about the impact and 785 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 8: some of the responses here in Darwen as well, and 786 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 8: the impact and the connections there. The utmost priority for 787 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 8: us as the territory of government is to ensure that 788 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 8: people are safe. There are the challenges in regards to 789 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 8: the unrest and the violence that has been coming in 790 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 8: those intermediate periods, but overall, securing shelter, water, food and 791 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 8: safety for people has been an immediate responseble well. 792 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 2: And then obviously the secondary thing is going to be 793 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 2: trying to repair those homes and trying to get people 794 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 2: back into homes. It's looking like an absolutely phenomenal amount 795 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: of money to fix them. 796 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they said one hundred and forty correct 797 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong. 798 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 10: It's about one hundred and twenty. 799 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 4: And twenty five. 800 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 9: And they've so far looked at eighty and the judge 801 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 9: for damage for matt to be around five hundred certainly 802 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 9: not five hundred five million dollars to repair. 803 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 8: And that's just yeah, levels of damage that have been 804 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 8: assessed so far, Katie, through my department, what's the work 805 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 8: that's being needed to undertake homes that need immediate works 806 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 8: for people who are returning to their home who may 807 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 8: have fled because of safety issues, Identifying people who may 808 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 8: not want to return to their homes because of the 809 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 8: unrest and the violence until after some particular cultural events occur. 810 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 8: And then also people who have said that they do 811 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 8: not intend to return. 812 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: The former Housing minister had said that those who damage 813 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: the homes would be held accountable. 814 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: Is that going to be the. 815 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 8: Case again, Katie, I did speak about this in estimates. 816 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 8: If there's police investigations to that damage occurring, if there's 817 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 8: criminal proceedings that are laid, then of course that's up 818 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 8: to the courts to decide what the consequences for that 819 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 8: will be looking at that. But our priority is making 820 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 8: sure that people are safer, that they do have shelter 821 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 8: that's available. It's just like that. 822 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 5: But the government's got to ask for restitution. 823 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 8: You know. 824 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: The police do a great job and then the prosecutors 825 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: will prosecute, but it's up to the person who suffered 826 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 3: them damage. The government and need to say to the 827 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 3: police we want restitution for this. Otherwise the procecutors are 828 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: not going to ask for it. And I've been in 829 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 3: court a lot and not many people ask for restitution. 830 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: But it's time for the government now to step up 831 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: and make sure that they put their instructions to their lawyers, 832 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: to the prosecutors to say we want restitution because crime. 833 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 5: Is an issue not just in what I but right 834 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 5: across the territory. 835 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: I think yesterday twenty two cars were damaged in all 836 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 3: of Springs Tenant Creek. You know, this is the middle 837 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 3: of our touristism and we want to grow our economy 838 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 3: up here and people are coming up and they need 839 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: to have a great experience. We've got a great lifestyle, 840 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: we've got great landscapes. But if they come up here 841 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 3: and become a victim of crime, or see any social 842 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 3: behavior in the street, or someone comes up and says, 843 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 3: you've got a smug you got money. 844 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 5: They're going to go back and do people don't go 845 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 5: to the territory, which is. 846 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: All we do. 847 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 6: It's already sorry to interrupt, Tom, it's already on some 848 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 6: of the grown nomad Facebook sites they're saying, skip Darwin. 849 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: Imagine being at the hotel where someone was collected on 850 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: Saturday lot. 851 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: It's pretty unbelievable. 852 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 9: I just want to ask Selena, of the five hundred 853 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 9: or so people who have been displaced, how many of 854 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 9: them have indicated they don't want to return to What 855 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 9: Air and where they are going to be accommodated. 856 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 10: So that works on going, Thomas. 857 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 8: In regards to individuals and their families, of course, where 858 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 8: they feel safe, making sure that they have those basic 859 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 8: human needs in terms of shelter, water and food, and 860 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 8: access to clean hygiene and toilets and showers. That work 861 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 8: is part of the overall welfare response in regards to 862 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 8: where will people stay in the medium and long term. 863 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 8: Obviously there's been historical issues in What Air, the mix 864 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 8: of the different family groups being brought into that sort 865 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 8: of central point of a larger community. And then work 866 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 8: that's going on with mind portfolio and regards to homelands 867 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 8: and what is the ways that we can support people 868 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 8: who want to stay on country and what are the 869 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 8: support sorry what is the access to support and service 870 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 8: proof vision in regards to food and food security water 871 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 8: because at the moment a lot of our homelands are 872 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 8: used as dry season places, so at the moment now 873 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 8: there are a lot of extra people on particular homeland, 874 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 8: So it's making sure our response is adequate and swift 875 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 8: in regards to providing those services to people who don't 876 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 8: otherwise have access to food security. 877 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: At this point, we are going to have to continue 878 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: to move along. 879 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: We're fast running out of time. It is just ten 880 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 2: minutes away from ten o'clock. I was keen to talk 881 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: further about housing and indeed those housing weight lists, so 882 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: I might just very quickly point out that we did 883 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 2: speak about that yesterday. I know that it was certainly 884 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 2: well and truly discussed throughout the estimates process. We also 885 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: caught up with Peter McMillan from Mt Shelter yesterday who 886 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: had said that you know the reality of this is 887 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: that our housing stock has diminished, I believe by twenty 888 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: nine percent since two thousand. So we are definitely despite 889 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 2: the fact that the need for that public housing is 890 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 2: going up, the stock levels are going down. We know 891 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 2: that it's not the only you know, it's not the 892 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 2: only concern. There is big concerns with those weight lists 893 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: as well. The amount of time it takes to repair 894 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 2: a public housing home is phenomenal. 895 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 4: It takes also, I think it was revealed in estimates. 896 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 9: You know, say one tenant moves out, the average wait 897 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 9: time before someone else moves in to that property is 898 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty days. 899 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 8: Yeah. 900 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: Can you imagine in a private rental if it took 901 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: that long? Bloody hell? Did never you get. 902 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 3: The government not clicking the rent? I think it was 903 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 3: sixty million outstanding. 904 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 4: That was the right houses. 905 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, So when we're talking about urban public housing KDI 906 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 8: and it's an area that I'm undertaking now with my 907 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 8: new portfolio. Yes, the repairs of maintenance to occur when 908 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 8: a tenant moves out before a new tenant is then 909 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 8: placed and allocated that house. 910 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 10: The other work that the department. 911 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 8: Is doing is to ensure that we have a suitable 912 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 8: match in terms of who's allocated day house, where it is, 913 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 8: what the family makeup is, or the individual makeup and 914 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 8: needs where it's physically located. Are there any other special 915 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 8: needs to access and ability access? And that work has 916 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 8: been undertaken to ensure that we have people who are 917 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 8: put in an area that is suitable for them and 918 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 8: their family sand circumstances and of course the location. 919 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 2: One thing that I will say that Peter McMillan had 920 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 2: pointed out very strongly yesterday is that it's there's a 921 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 2: lack of like there's a lack of strategy or a 922 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 2: lack of a plan, not just from the Northern Territory 923 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 2: government but federally. And you know, when we talk about 924 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: housing across the board, so not just public housing, not 925 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 2: just your remote housing, but when you talk about you know, 926 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 2: housing for people moving to the territory, when you talk 927 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 2: about building the economy, and you know, trying to get 928 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 2: our economy, what is it how many billion by twenty thirty, 929 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 2: forty billion by twenty thirty. We've got to find somewhere 930 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: for people to live or we've got to have, you know, 931 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: those plans in place for people to live somewhere, but 932 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: we are going to have to have a very short break. 933 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's 934 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 2: three sixty is the week that was? Well, we have 935 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: almost run out of time. Jared Maylee, Tom Morgan, Keesyer 936 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 2: Puric and Selena Rubo in the studio with me for 937 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 2: the week that was. And one thing that I do 938 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: just want to touch on is there's been a lot 939 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 2: of discussion throughout the week about the taxi shortage which 940 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: is being experienced in the Northern Territory right now. We 941 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 2: spoke about this yesterday with the Tourism top End general 942 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: manager Glenn Hinley, and he said that it's a big 943 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,959 Speaker 2: issue for people arriving obviously from other states, families coming 944 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 2: home to the Northern Territory in some cases waiting out 945 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: at the airport there for an extended period of time. Others, 946 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 2: you know, trying to get an uber and those the 947 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 2: surge times or whatever it's referred to, you know, in 948 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 2: some cases he'd been told by one person who'd said 949 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 2: that it had gone up to like one hundred dollars 950 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 2: to get an uber from the airport into the city 951 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 2: and then the wait times for taxis. We know that 952 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: there again there's a shortage of drivers. 953 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 9: Well, the one thing about taxis is it doesn't have 954 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 9: that incentive to bring drivers on board, say when there's 955 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 9: one hundred people that need a taxi at midnight at 956 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 9: the airport, because the fares are regulated ye such things 957 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 9: as a surge price, there's a lot more demand for 958 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 9: ever at those hours. It is an issue that's sort 959 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 9: of I guess, mirroring what we're seeing in hospitality and 960 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 9: tourism and right across industries and the territory, which is 961 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 9: just not enough workers. 962 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 3: And also I think crime puts a head who would 963 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 3: want to be a taxi drive When you hear a 964 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 3: story every week they're getting attacked and robbed they're in 965 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 3: the taxi and damage done. So you know, it goes 966 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 3: back to that crime in the community. Community safety is 967 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 3: paramount it. 968 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 6: But also is it apart from labor shortage? Isn't that 969 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 6: the taxis the plates are there. 970 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 2: And they can't get drivers. It's one of the things 971 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 2: that I got told yesterday by Karen and Catherine. She'd 972 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: said that that is definitely an issue that you know, 973 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: she's not been able to actually get drivers to help with. 974 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 6: Her partially what Jared says is people just aren't prepared 975 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 6: to put up with it. Yeah, it doesn't matter with 976 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 6: their male or female drivers, but it affects across the 977 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 6: community because it's not only tourists and travelers who use taxis. 978 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, people just ordinary people use them. You know a 979 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 7: lot of elderly people don't have an own car. 980 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: And then if you've got a disability. 981 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 2: We spoke to Robin Burridge on the show a couple 982 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 2: of weeks ago and she had said that, you know, 983 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 2: she ended up having to walk quite a long distance 984 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 2: to get to something, yes, because she could not guess 985 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: a couldn't get a taxi. So it's a tough It 986 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 2: is a tough one. 987 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 6: Well, maybe the sooner, you know, we can get more 988 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 6: people to come and you know, work in the territory, 989 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 6: reside in the territory, or you know, might be short. 990 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 2: All we're all going to have to start obering overnight 991 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,720 Speaker 2: or taxi driving. 992 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 9: Could also be more frequent public transport services. 993 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's I mean. 994 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 2: The airport said that they have they've made some changes 995 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: to their parking so that people are able to park 996 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 2: there for a little bit cheaper over the holiday period 997 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 2: and also they've got those what do you call it, 998 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 2: the shuttle buses, But remember when hotels used to have 999 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 2: the shuttle buses as well. 1000 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean it's I don't know whether it's just all change. 1001 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:44,800 Speaker 5: So what's that. 1002 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 9: There are some airports, I know in Melbourne they have 1003 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 9: a bus that runs I think it's just twenty dollars 1004 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 9: one way. Every fifteen minutes. A bus comes by and 1005 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 9: picks up people. I mean, it doesn't have to be 1006 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 9: that frequent here, but you can time it with arrivals. Yeah, 1007 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 9: and sort of get people, you know, transport them to 1008 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 9: the city where there at least a bit closer to everything. 1009 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 4: Well, it need to have some solution. 1010 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, the shorter the worker shortage is definitely a big impact, 1011 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 8: and obviously our commercial transport operators have been impacted just 1012 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 8: like all other industries during COVID and that period. There 1013 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 8: is work that we're doing as territory labor government around 1014 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 8: incentivizing more of those frontlight or critical workers to try 1015 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 8: and fill those shortages and incentives in terms of that industry, 1016 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 8: and in particular the work that we're doing to try 1017 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 8: and incentivize our taxi and industry, commercial passenger industry to 1018 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 8: provide upgrades for disability and wheelchair access to their vehicles. 1019 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 8: That's a really big piece of work, incentivizing up to 1020 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 8: fifteen thousand dollars to create those opportunities for more abilities access. 1021 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 2: Well, we are going to have to leave it there. 1022 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 2: It is just about ten o'clock. Jared Maley from the COLP, 1023 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time. Tom Morgan from the 1024 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 2: NT News, thank you for your time today. Kezierpuic, the 1025 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 2: Independent member for Good I thank you for your time. 1026 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 6: Thanks Katie and George Georgio for being well bluffed being here. 1027 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeap and cuddles all round. And Selena Ruber, thank you 1028 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 2: so much for your time. I was quite distracted when 1029 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 2: you were talking before because Georgio was looking like she 1030 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 2: was going to jump up for a cuddle. 1031 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 10: Yes, it was just about it. 1032 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: Thanks Kay. 1033 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 10: Thanks you listen. 1034 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 2: Thank you you are listening to Mix one O four 1035 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: nine's three sixty