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Speaker 1: One of the other issues which seems to be causing

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Speaker 1: twenty one, permits would be required to access indigenous into

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Speaker 1: title waters. Now joining us on the line to talk

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Speaker 1: more about the situation from AFAT is the president of

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Speaker 1: the Amateur Fishermen's Association, Warren Dewick. Good morning to you, Warren.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Good morning, Katie, Warren.

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Where is this situation.

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Speaker 3: At It's very unclear at the moment where in the

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Speaker 3: and also from the Northern Churchy government to try and

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Speaker 3: clarify where we actually are with it. My understanding is

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Speaker 3: that Marion's made a couple of announcements saying that we

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Speaker 2: If Marion's saying that we don't require a firmit that's

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Speaker 2: okay by me.

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Speaker 3: So at this stage I would say people just staying

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Speaker 2: Yes, even started from the.

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Speaker 3: Northern End Council putting that gazette in the paper declaring

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Speaker 3: that people need a permit as of the first of January,

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Speaker 3: which is not in a line with what we were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that sent everybody into a bit of

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Speaker 1: you've just said, we understand as well that Marion Scrimjaw

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Speaker 1: sure whether there's been an interview happened or whether there's

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Speaker 1: that there has been that discussion that permits won't be required.

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Speaker 1: But I guess at this stage Warrem we're all sort

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Speaker 3: I definitely it's very confusing, the left hand and the

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Speaker 3: the moment. So hopefully the Northern Land Council can get

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Speaker 3: If it is to be fixed or make it more

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Speaker 3: the moment. And obviously, if Marian is correct in what

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Speaker 3: she's saying, the Northern Land Council will need to issue

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Speaker 3: another notice revoking that original information put out in the

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we've put in a call to see if

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Speaker 1: from what I can gather, that notice that appeared on

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Speaker 3: Well it didn't send us in the real spin as well,

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Speaker 3: because we didn't see this coming and we were under

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Speaker 3: prior to the full Council meeting that everybody was okay

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Speaker 3: to go fishing intertidal waters overlying Aboriginal land. So we

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why they would do this.

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Speaker 3: And provoke recreational anglers and everyone to confuse the hell

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Warren, If indeed a permit is required from January

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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be chaos. I mean, I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: The Yellow area.

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Speaker 3: We managed to get an extension from Marion till the

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Speaker 2: For the public.

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Speaker 3: But at the moment, I would say everything's still the same.

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Speaker 3: I would tell people not to panic. It's all going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, Larren. I'm taking a

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Speaker 1: look at a map right now, and those red areas,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lot of area there that is

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Speaker 3: the area that they haven't finished the consultations with us yet,

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Speaker 3: so they're trying to finish them off as soon as

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Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll have a.

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Speaker 3: Better idea in the coming weeks with those areas as

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Speaker 1: Well, look, Warren, I know that you know, even after

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Speaker 2: Be, carry on as usual?

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Speaker 3: Marian said that there was those permits or the actual

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't let it worry you too much.

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Speaker 3: I would just sort of wait and see what happens

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Speaker 1: Why do you reckon this notice has gone in the

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Speaker 2: I've got no idea.

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Speaker 3: And I did try and find that out from the

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Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit of confusion about the

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Speaker 3: a gain from the Northern Land Council doing this other

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Speaker 3: than dividing territories. And that's the last thing we want

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Speaker 3: is the division between traditional owners or owners of that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what Marion wants.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that's what Sammy Bush, the President of the

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Speaker 3: Northern Land Council wants as well. So hopefully they can

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Speaker 3: this settles down a bit.

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Speaker 1: But Warren, have you had the opportunity to sit down

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Speaker 1: with them at this point. No.

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Speaker 3: I've had a conversation with Sammy Bush the other day

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Speaker 3: when I first seen this come out, but he wasn't

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Speaker 3: aware of it. Also, I don't think he seemed to

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Speaker 2: Like what Marion was by the sound of it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure whether the Northern Land Council needs

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Speaker 3: to clear this up. I mean, it's nothing that I

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Speaker 3: clearer to people. I mean, until the Northern Land Council

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Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen, and this is the

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Speaker 3: situation that when at the moment, then and only then

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Speaker 3: we know which direction to go in.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will continue to putting those calls

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Speaker 1: to see if we can get somebody from the Northern

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Speaker 1: have a statement that we're able to read out to

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Speaker 1: let people know exactly what's happening. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 3: Well that's my Yeah, that's what I would do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why not to. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the Non Land Council of saying through Marion that the

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Speaker 3: gazette is maybe incorrect, So hopefully there will be another

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Speaker 3: Northern Charity Government belief was that the waiver was going

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Speaker 3: to be extended termit free access to those into tidal

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Speaker 3: back to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 1: I reckon. Well, we're also due to catch up with

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Speaker 1: the Minister after ten o'clock, so we'll see what else

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Speaker 1: we can find out. Warren, really good to talk to

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Speaker 1: you mate, Thanks so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: All the us DATI thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's Warren DeWitt there, who is the president of AFANT,

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Speaker 1: the Amateur Fishermen's Association of the Northern Territory.