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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: I know that you don't like the murky underbelly of

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Speaker 2: the criminal mind and news reporting as such. I last

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Speaker 2: a few days have been dedicated to the non files.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't it? If I hear that there's been

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Speaker 1: biky wars or underground underworld shootings. I'm not interested. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not interested. And yesterday they are about four or

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Speaker 1: five pages in the newspaper and it was on all

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Speaker 1: the news is last night. There's some speculation I saw

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Speaker 1: and I don't not necessarily saying this is the case,

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Speaker 1: but I saw some people saying since since when? Actually

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Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd tweeted as a prime minister. Prime ministers never

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Speaker 1: do press conferences about police operations. Scott Morrison did one

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Speaker 1: yesterday about all of this. It's to get other stuff

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Speaker 1: off the front of the paper. It's to get vaccine

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Speaker 1: roll out, bill a Wheeler family, all the contentious things, stuff,

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Speaker 1: all the stuff they're answerable Foray and the police did

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Speaker 1: an amazing job. But police always do these under cover

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Speaker 1: stings and amazing jobs. Is this a special one?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a big deal. It is a big deal.

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Speaker 2: But also I will agree with you bikeis sell newspapers today. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: they're not standing outside newsagents saying extra extra will shoot

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Speaker 2: you you put a bike on a newspaper. There was

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Speaker 2: a former editor whom has having a lunch with him

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Speaker 2: one day and he said bike, he's sell newspaper. As

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Speaker 2: soon as we put bikes on the newspaper, people just

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Speaker 2: love them today. By the story, I would have.

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Speaker 1: Thought that it would be, well, that doesn't relate to me,

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Speaker 1: not interested.

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Speaker 2: Well, possibly that's why, because right ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: us aren't bikes, are we? So you know you like

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Speaker 2: to read about the underbelly as it were.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell me about this big police sting then, because

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Speaker 1: I must say, I just flicked through what you read.

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Speaker 2: And at first I was a little bit there, and

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Speaker 2: then I got into reading about the non file. So

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Speaker 2: this is an app and an encrypted phone which juped

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Speaker 2: all these criminals. And this happened after there was a

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Speaker 2: hole in the market. So in twenty eighteen there was

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Speaker 2: another app called Phantom, a real one like criminals. So

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Speaker 2: criminal alls used to use their BlackBerry to communicate.

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Speaker 1: You know, is that encrypted?

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Speaker 2: Yes? So I'd say I want to sew you some

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Speaker 2: drugs and you'd say I want to go and whack someone,

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Speaker 2: and then it would be all crypted and the cops

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Speaker 2: couldn't get in on that information.

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Speaker 1: And then technology is a technology.

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Speaker 2: So this phantom app in the cops shut down in

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen because the criminals were using it. And then

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Speaker 2: these two other cops said, well, imagine if we had

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Speaker 2: an app and we managed to as a trojan horse,

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Speaker 2: put it into criminal hands, and then we would have

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Speaker 2: front and center information.

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Speaker 1: Criminals are us app.

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Speaker 2: Criminals are and this is called annom so as in anonymous.

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Speaker 2: But there was this guy over in Turkey or something

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Speaker 2: like that. He's a former Biki or whatever he became.

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Speaker 2: As the papers are saying, the Kardashians the influences of

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Speaker 2: this particular app because he said, oh, this app is

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Speaker 2: really good. And the galling part of what about it

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Speaker 2: was to get the phone. It cost you two thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars to get this encrypted phone, which would be going

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Speaker 2: into the police's pocket. So the criminals were buying the

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Speaker 2: phone to give and the money would go to the police,

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Speaker 2: and then the police would have front and center of

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Speaker 2: all their discussions. And apparently twenty one murders were halted.

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Speaker 2: That guy that was recently kidnapped, you know that was

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Speaker 2: found out in the thing and his underpants and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Not Stuart McGill, the other guy. They thwarted that because

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Speaker 2: of this app.

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Speaker 1: So was it all bike? He was They've thwarted what

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Speaker 1: kind of criminals.

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Speaker 2: It's the mafia, it's the bike's the Mexican and everyone

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Speaker 2: that you would imagine, Middle East and j Rockers, everyone everyone,

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Speaker 2: Jaywalkers are in there. Everyone's in there. And what they're saying,

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Speaker 2: it's like what Uber did to Taxis. Well before that,

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Speaker 2: this this app that they had before was had changed

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Speaker 2: the whole criminal model because by and large, when you're

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Speaker 2: a criminal, you just want to make easy money. That's

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Speaker 2: what you want to do. You don't want to go

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Speaker 2: and work hard and do a job. You just want

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Speaker 2: to make you some easy money. So really you're going

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Speaker 2: to be lazy about the way you make that money.

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Speaker 2: So if you had an app where you could move

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Speaker 2: kilos and kilos of cocaine easily, you think, well, that's

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Speaker 2: a lot better than meeting in a park. In the

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Speaker 2: old days, they had to go and meet in a park.

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Speaker 1: Don't they all meet in strip climbs or is that

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Speaker 1: what the police do Innbelly.

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Speaker 2: That's all the coppers. They go into the strip clubs

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Speaker 2: for research of course intel, but also the other thing.

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Speaker 2: They used to go down to the beach. They'd have

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Speaker 2: to hang down of the beach and stand in the surf,

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Speaker 2: so the baddies would Yeah, so the listening devices couldn't

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Speaker 2: pick up one really. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they're the only ones swimming in winter. But Iceberg's

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Speaker 1: swimming team in the middle of winter, all these.

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Speaker 2: Middle aged blakes. Yeah, where are they smuggling their stuff?

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Speaker 1: Well, where do you put the batteries for that?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, So there you go. That's it's quite an amazing sting.

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Speaker 2: But it's got all these bunch of people like look

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Speaker 2: at this guy that he was in the Bachelor apparently

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Speaker 2: and he got caught doing what I know, being the faires.

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Speaker 2: He got found with one hundred and sixty six whoa

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Speaker 2: kilograms of cannabis? One hundred and sixty six kilogram.

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Speaker 1: A big way to woo a woman.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of cat and a rose

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's