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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, I guess a tip for moms in particular is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've actually learned that there's two very important words

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Speaker 3: And that is show me.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 4: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson. Surviving as school goes back.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's such a relief. I'm going to be honest.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned on Monday, and I'm not even kidding. I'm

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Speaker 4: relieved that the kids are back at school. If you're

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Speaker 4: in New South Wales, Act or WA next week, the

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Speaker 4: relief arrives for you. And I know that as soon

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Speaker 4: as I say that, somebody's going to say, oh, but

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Speaker 2: The kids, and let's face it, we do.

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Speaker 4: Usually we do too, But we're at the end of

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Speaker 4: it and now we're so glad that the kids are

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Speaker 4: back and it was just getting a bit. It's so

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Speaker 4: hard for parents who don't have the flexibility to be

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Speaker 4: at home with their kids. But mornings, my goodness, mornings

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Speaker 4: are so challenging. Oh, by the way, I should mention,

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Speaker 4: I'm here with my wife and podcasts partner, missus Happy Families, Kylie.

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Speaker 4: She's the mom to our six daughters.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to read a review that came through

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Speaker 2: during the holidays from Mandy Kay. She says, thanks Justin

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Speaker 2: and Kylie for helping families on such a diverse range

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Speaker 2: of topics. I always feel more positive and hopeful about

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Speaker 2: my parenting journey after listening to your podcast. You come

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Speaker 2: from experience and speak in relatable terms. All parents want

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Speaker 2: to do better, and you are making a difference.

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Speaker 4: Five stars. Thanks many, Kay. We appreciate that. And it's

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Speaker 4: the reviews that you leave that help other people to

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Speaker 4: find the podcast and make their families happier. So thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for doing that. Can we invite you

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Speaker 4: to jump on too, Apple Podcasts and do That'll take

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Speaker 4: you about two minutes, and it just it makes such

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Speaker 4: a difference for getting the podcast out there. We've, as

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Speaker 4: I was saying before, had a lot of people sort

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Speaker 4: of saying it's great the kids going back, But my goodness,

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Speaker 4: it's been a disaster so far, and nothing went right.

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Speaker 3: On day one.

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Speaker 4: The kids were upset they slept in. There were dramas,

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Speaker 4: would do today is dive back into the archives and

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Speaker 4: share with you one of the most popular podcasts we've

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Speaker 4: ever recorded.

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Speaker 3: It's called Making Morning's Magic.

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Speaker 4: It's based off a New York Times article that I

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Speaker 4: is going to be one very helpful podcast episode.

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Speaker 2: So whether or not you've heard it before or you're

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Speaker 4: For those who are not familiar with what's in twenty

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Speaker 4: one days to a happy family. In the bucket metaphor, basically,

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Speaker 4: your relationship is a bucket, and our job is to

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Speaker 2: Well, we find our children kind of you know, get

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Speaker 4: We're doing our best to be better, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: Well, you talk specifically about four different things that we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we know that if we can get everything

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Speaker 4: What do you mean you can't find your shoes? You

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Speaker 2: So definitely has had such a significant impact on making

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Speaker 3: Does it to me ten minutes early. Yes, I wish.

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