1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: We know that the race to become the Darwin Lord 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Mayor is certainly still being run now at this point 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: in time, convat Scala says twenty point seven percent of 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: the votes, Peter Styles sitting on twenty three percent of 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: the votes, with fifty five percent of the total votes counted. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: But as we know, those preferences do certainly come into 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: play when it is a tight race like this. Now 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: joining me in the studio is convat scalas good morning 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: to you, Conn, morning now Conn in terms like from 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: your perspective, how these numbers looking. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: It's a waiting game. It's a wedding game because nothing 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: is clear until the fat lady sinks, which means the 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: preference are distributed. And I say that one because in 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, sorry twenty seventeen, when I first put my 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: hand up, there were fifteen candidates. We had to wait 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: a win a week for the result to be known, 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: and Katunao Fogillion at the time she was ahead with 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: fourteen or fifteen hundred votes right first count. So nothing 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: is died. 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Now. 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: I will not make any production at all until the 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: Thursday after sorry, Friday afternoon or Saturday morning, when the 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: Commission puts out the finals. 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: At so in terms of like comparatively to twenty seventeen, 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: did you say so, you're actually you're sitting in a 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: better position than what you were when you first became 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: the main Look, if. 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: People really pissed off with us and me, I think 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: my point, I will be winning with three four five 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: six thousand votes. It's not doesn't look like that. People 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: actually obviously they voted for either of us, but obviously 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: there's not a big difference in the votes. But those 33 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: are before Let's wait until see the preferences, because that's 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: where everything would go. 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: So far, you're being told by the Electoral Commission. When 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: are those preferences going to sort of be DVDs. 37 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Well, they are about altogether about three three hundred votes to 38 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: be counted, postal be given out, postal votes for the 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: Lord Mayor. They're waiting for them to come back, the 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: provisional votes to be counted, so that will finish by Friday. 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: That's the advice of the commission who send an email 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: to all candidates, not only to me, to every single 43 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: one who put your hand up. They received that email 44 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: from the Commissioner, and that's very good because it keeps 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: everybody in form so that you don't have the conspiracy 46 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: theories and everything else, which is very very good, and 47 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: I thank you very much for that, the commissioner. So 48 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: we will count the votes by Friday, then Friday will 49 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 2: distribute the preferences, and by I reckon, by Friday night 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: will know the final results. 51 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so by Friday night, I mean it is still 52 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: it is still a little while away. It's nice. 53 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: It's a waiting game. I mean, we have to accept that. 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: One of you. You can't You can't rush things because 55 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: you have to count the postal votes and then relocate 56 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: the preferences because the postal votes will have preferences too. 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Con Look, I did speak to the electoral commissioner yesterday 58 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: and it seems like it's been quite a low voter turnout. 59 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of the numbers? 60 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: Very disappointing. People seem not to be interested. People think 61 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: they are the things better to do, like going fishing 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: or go somewhere else. And then of course the same 63 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: people who don't vote, they will be the first one 64 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: to come learning if something happens, which I tell them, tough, bigies, 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: because you didn't vote. If you don't vote, you don't 66 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: complain if things don't go your way. 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: Well, we have long said on this show, no vote, 68 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: no wins. Sorry, you're not allowed to wings if you 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: don't get out there in vice. 70 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: And I think the government has aswer for not only 71 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: the team, but the federal government. There's nothing in the 72 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: curriculum about civic standards studies. I remember hours in high 73 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: school and we had to spend a whole year of 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: learning about the political systems, how it works, how the 75 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: parliament works, how the voting system works. Kids now have 76 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: no idea. And the other thing that puzzled me is 77 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: people turning up there and they're expecting to get how 78 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: to vote cart and from that how to vote card 79 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: to read who the candy is, what his program is, 80 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: what he's done in the past, what will do the future. 81 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: That's a bit late. Usually have done that one long 82 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: time ago. But again, but if you look at the 83 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: thirteen candies this time, how many of them had actually 84 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: put any information out either than the social media or 85 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: in printed media, or in advertisements or in tele vision 86 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: or radio. I know things are tough. It does cost 87 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: much to put your program in social media. 88 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Well, you need to have an idea of what you 89 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: stand for and why you want to get onto counsel 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why we make sure 91 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: that we conduct those interviews so we can get a 92 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: better understanding, and so our listeners ultimately can get a 93 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: better understanding conn In terms of those preferences, though, do 94 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: you think that they're going to flow in your direction 95 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: or in Peter Styles direction? 96 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: I have no idea. That depends how they put you 97 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: in the how to vote cards the different candidates. Some 98 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: of them put you ahead of their opponent, others they 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: put you behind when and the unpredictable thing is how 100 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: many people really follow the how to vote cats exactly 101 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: as they're given to them. Some of them do, some 102 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: of them don't. Yeh, Let's wait and see. As I 103 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: did before, nothing wouldn't be known until. 104 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: Friday night, Friday, all right, con before I let you go. 105 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: And I did speak to Athena Pasco Bell about this. 106 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: I certainly plan to speak to Peter Styles about this 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: as well. It seemed like a really dirty campaign from 108 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people who put their hand up either 109 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: to run as counselors or to run for the mayoral position. 110 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: In the many years that you've been involved in politics 111 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, have you ever seen anything quite 112 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: like it. 113 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: I've been involved in Polish and the Territory since two thousands, 114 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: Never ever before I've seen this kind of vicious campaign, 115 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: personal attacks, made up stories, defaming people in social media 116 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: without any evidence, or people trying to ring the newspaper 117 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: and accuse one candidate of fraud without providing any evidence. 118 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: I had emails message to me been called the sea 119 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: world being called you know, a lot of vicious about 120 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: being an ex label minister, about you name it. It was there. 121 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Now today I went out to retrieve my confluts. I 122 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: put out two hundred to three hundred confluts. I have 123 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: managed to retrieve about one hundreds. All the others will 124 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: disappear stolen. And somebody saw me photo of people stealing 125 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: confluts the middle of the night. Unfortunately it's not very 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: clear so or cancer the person. But this is the 127 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: level of political debate is really gone to the dogs. 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: It has and you know, I actually think there needs 129 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: to be a look at the legislation, a look at 130 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: the way in which we do this. Next time, whether 131 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about Northern Territory election, or a council election. 132 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that we need to tackle. 133 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: Festival, especially with the local government. There's no bond if 134 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: you want to be a mayor or a councilor. It 135 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 2: can put for both. In other jurisdices, you can either 136 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: say one or the other. Here, if you want to 137 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: put your hand up to be a counselor mayor, you 138 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: don't have to pay anything. In other jurisdiction you have 139 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: to put a bond. So that's why you're finished with 140 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: so many people because they don't lose anything. They put 141 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: their money in and whatever it goes, they get a 142 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: bit of publicity. 143 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: And that's it. 144 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: Also, we have to find out about the fines if 145 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: you damage electoral material, if you do fraud with electric material, 146 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: what the finds are. It's unfair. What worries me. It's 147 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: not about me and the others, it's where is the future. 148 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: Who is going to put his or her hand up 149 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: to represent the community if they are going to be 150 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: subjected to vicious attacks, defamation, personal attacks in social media, 151 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: which means that everybody around a strader anu of the world, 152 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 2: they will actually read this lie and they will believe 153 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: that they're true. 154 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think it's a really important discussion to have, 155 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: and it's one that we were having with Athena earlier 156 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: and she, you know, was of a similar belief to you. 157 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: So I'll be asking Peter Styles about it this morning 158 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: as well. 159 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: I'll told you how bad it was. I visited some 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: Western three times because I heard him on the radio 161 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: and he was, you know, very very much affected. So 162 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: I recommended him made don't read Facebook, or if you read, 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: use two things, block and delete and stop reading Facebook. 164 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: I mean, he goes my opponent, but boy, I know same, 165 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: and I said, the last thing I want is him 166 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: to be well mentally affected. 167 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: Human decency comes in. Why yeah, yeah, Look, I you 168 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: know the thing is, you can be thick skinned about it. 169 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: I know myself even in this, I've got to be 170 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: thick skinned. But there's thick skinned and then there's absolutely vicious, 171 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: made up bullshit that people are jumping online saying. Now, 172 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how you change things so that that 173 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: does not continue to happen, but it cannot continue to 174 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: happen in that way. 175 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: One particular uploading Facebook was so bad that even Facebook 176 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: took it done. 177 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: So you understand how bad it was yeah yeah, well 178 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: look conbat scarlets. Always appreciate your time, Noja, We'll talk 179 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: to you again very soon. Thank you very much for 180 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: joining us this morning. 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: Thank you very much getting it. Thanks