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Speaker 1: Good morning to you and nov Mine Katie. Lovely to

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Speaker 2: And a lot of these.

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Speaker 2: Of this country. We're like eight hundred thousand, three percent

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Speaker 1: But also, you know, like so many of us, our

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing for me to have put the

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Speaker 3: I had to do something because that was not okay

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Speaker 1: Novi paris. I always appreciate your time, always appreciate you

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Speaker 1: And look on a very very different note, Oh, dancing

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it? I did? I thought, Oh, do

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Speaker 1: I love that about your love that you get everything

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful to say no over Paris, lovely to

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Speaker 1: see you this morning. Thank you so much for your

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