WEBVTT - Kim, Kourtney 👭 & What Happens When You Commodify Your Life 💸

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Rooms Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 2>You might be thinking to yourself, I don't care about

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<v Speaker 2>Kardashian gossip or Kardashian rumors, but I think you might

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<v Speaker 2>want to because this is far deeper than two sisters

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<v Speaker 2>having an Internet beef. It's the reality of commodifying everything

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<v Speaker 2>in your life and then realizing in your forties, right

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<v Speaker 2>before your midlife crisis, that actually some things are quite

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<v Speaker 2>sacred to you. But your life up until this point

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<v Speaker 2>contradicts that, and now one takes you seriously. The Kardashians,

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, the older sisters Courtney and Kim, have offered

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<v Speaker 2>up their life for public consumption for what twenty or

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<v Speaker 2>so years, have sold and put a value towards every

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<v Speaker 2>intimate moment again and again and again unprovoked.

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<v Speaker 1>As well.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have to share as much as they do,

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<v Speaker 2>but they keep doing it, and in return for that,

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<v Speaker 2>they've built this massive following in this massive customer base

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<v Speaker 2>that was meant to be enough until it wasn't. We're

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<v Speaker 2>in this era of TikTok where the Kardashians don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the same pool they used to, because they're not the

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<v Speaker 2>gold standard of what is to be rich and famous

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet. They're hyper curated and very conceded. And

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<v Speaker 2>you that's what Kim named her book of selfies. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>did she call it conceded?

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<v Speaker 1>And she call it selfie? I wish I bought that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth a lot. Now, Oh you can't buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get a secondhand.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're like exturely at a local dimmicks like reddings reading,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing on the internet. There's been this beef

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess we've seen the remnants of what appears

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<v Speaker 2>to be a beef about Courtney getting married and dult

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<v Speaker 2>Chanine Gabana sponsoring the wedding and then less than a

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<v Speaker 2>year later, Kim curating a fashion show that included some

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<v Speaker 2>of the pieces that Courtney wore from the collection Courtney's

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<v Speaker 2>were the impression that Kim's crossed the line and that,

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<v Speaker 2>even though she commodified her and wedding were having it

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored by a notoriously controversial and racist fashion house, that

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<v Speaker 2>Kim's cross the line for including these clothes in a

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored campaign. The thing about the Kardashians is they've always

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<v Speaker 2>led with this family comes first. Messag Chris is really

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<v Speaker 2>good at making sure the key messages come through. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>when Kylie gave birth, right as soon as she gave birth,

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<v Speaker 2>they launched that Stormy collection, which is named after her

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<v Speaker 2>first daughter. In addition to that, they launched a two

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<v Speaker 2>episode YouTube mini series of log I Think It Is

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<v Speaker 2>Meant to Be More in which they were following around

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<v Speaker 2>Kylie being like a business mum, right, and the messaging

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<v Speaker 2>throughout that whole content piece was Kylie is a good mum,

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<v Speaker 2>Kylie is a hard worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Kylie she was a businesswoman pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was around the same time of when she

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<v Speaker 2>was on Forbes Self Made, Richest, whatever, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>to rescind it because she wasn't actually self made, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were like trying to rejig the narrative. So we

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<v Speaker 2>all knew that she's a good mom, she's a businesswoman,

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<v Speaker 2>she's self made, and she actually works within her business.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's happened is that the Kardashians have now

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<v Speaker 2>realized that just because they can like spread a key message,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't stick in the way they want it to.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where all this tensions coming from. So it

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<v Speaker 2>all begins, it's like season three of the show, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got all this on TikTok, right, say of

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<v Speaker 1>the new Free Hulu revamp or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically what happens is that Kim creative director creative

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<v Speaker 2>directed Adult Chair and Gabana runway show that drew from

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<v Speaker 2>the Fashion Houses nineties archives. So these like really cool

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<v Speaker 2>pieces that were like glitzy and glamorous. But coincidentally, Courtney

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<v Speaker 2>also used some of those pieces in her wedding, which

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<v Speaker 2>was a televised event, which was a televised event, a

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored event by Adultchay and Gabana. The whole family has

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<v Speaker 2>a long standing relationship with Dultchay and Gabana, so realistically

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<v Speaker 2>it's a friend of the family at this point. So

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<v Speaker 2>Kim goes on to say that because Courtney doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to work, quote unquote, she didn't want to bring Courtney

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<v Speaker 2>in and give her the details because Courtney doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kim, knowing that Courtney knows that everybody in the

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<v Speaker 2>family works with Dulce, Kim just said, Okay, here's a

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<v Speaker 2>few things I want to do. So this doesn't like

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<v Speaker 2>grass cut Courtney. I don't want it to be so

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<v Speaker 2>close to the wedding. I need to be at least

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<v Speaker 2>a year later. I need to not pull too many

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<v Speaker 2>pieces from her collection. I needed to feel really separate

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<v Speaker 2>in the branding. I don't want you to reference the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that any of the dress's shop in both areas.

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<v Speaker 2>This needs to feel separate, and the only relation between

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<v Speaker 2>this and Courtney's that the fact that were sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Kim was like, I did my due diligence.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Mom about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like inviting Courtney to the conversation is not

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<v Speaker 2>what she wants to do.

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<v Speaker 1>She does want to be across my check. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get paid to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>However, Courtney felt violated because she thinks that or she

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<v Speaker 2>had it in her head that Kim was only able

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<v Speaker 2>to broker this deal post her wedding. As in, Kim

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<v Speaker 2>saw those pieces gone inspired, went to Dolchain and said, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you had this heat cooking in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we use those pieces to Courtney? It seemed all

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<v Speaker 2>too coincidental that now after Courtney's had this like really

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<v Speaker 2>public relationship with Adulta, and now Kim wants to have

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<v Speaker 2>one too. It's not just wearing a dress. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go curate a runaway show. You don't even

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<v Speaker 2>do fashion like that. Kantie is weeping literally, so Kim's view,

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<v Speaker 2>she feels like Courtney's concerned are really petty because Courtney

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<v Speaker 2>can't see the personal and financial value of what Kim's done,

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<v Speaker 2>not for herself but for the whole family. Like Kim

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<v Speaker 2>has done a lot of work trying to reposition how

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<v Speaker 2>the world views the Kardashians as so much more than

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<v Speaker 2>just like social styles. She's giving them this credibility that

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<v Speaker 2>Courtney definitely isn't doing for the family.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like so much, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim's like, this is so much bigger than your babe, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out here working day in day out.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a wedding, you got it sponsored.

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<v Speaker 2>That's child's play, right, I'm curating fashion shows and making

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<v Speaker 2>money for the whole family.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, step your pussy up, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, I feel like what's happening here

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<v Speaker 2>is if anybody knows Kim and Courtney's relationship, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time it's happened where someone feels hard done

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<v Speaker 2>by for a business decision made or whatever. Kim said

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<v Speaker 2>many a time, like Courtney's not that special looking. She's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not the star of the family. She said this

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<v Speaker 2>on Red Yeah, she said that, like Courtney's not interesting looking,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not really special looking, like a couple of seasons

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<v Speaker 2>ago on The Kardashians.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ago eight.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Courtney doesn't want to work. Courtney doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. So like the positioning is that Kim

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<v Speaker 2>is like the money maker, the leader of the family,

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<v Speaker 2>and Courtney's this has been people don't recall that they

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<v Speaker 2>exploited Courtney's relationship for the first decade of that show.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like what's happening here, in my personal opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>is that it affirms that some things just really are

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<v Speaker 2>too good to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how does a.

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<v Speaker 2>Family of ten people all making money of commodifying each

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<v Speaker 2>other and putting their relationship on a pedestal, but then

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<v Speaker 2>demeaning it. It doesn't actually work like they want you

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<v Speaker 2>to think.

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<v Speaker 1>It works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, initially when it was hyper curated, but it stopped

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<v Speaker 2>being curated and therefore it got too real, Like their

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<v Speaker 2>fight should never been televised, Like it should have been

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<v Speaker 2>edited to a point where we couldn't even discern that

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<v Speaker 2>the drama was real affake. It should have been like

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<v Speaker 2>the Real Housewives, but it kept getting more real and

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<v Speaker 2>more real and more real. And I think that they

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<v Speaker 2>at one point the money was enough, and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>not enough because you've had the money.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been had the money for years. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You want respect, yeah, and you want to be recognized

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<v Speaker 2>the things you find in are important to your family,

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<v Speaker 2>and for someone like Courtney, it's just not. Also, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that what I keep noticing with the Kardashians and

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<v Speaker 2>the way people will try and comment on it, so

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<v Speaker 2>they keep oversimplifying it and trying to resolve it in

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation like was it good or bad for Kim

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<v Speaker 2>to do what she did?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like years and years and years of Courtney being

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<v Speaker 2>told the things that she finds important aren't important, of

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<v Speaker 2>being told to just phone it in or being told

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<v Speaker 2>to just like suck it up and just make the

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<v Speaker 2>money for the family, and she has this one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that she finally thinks is worth sharing and doing it

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<v Speaker 2>the family way, and it wasn't respective.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see the vision there, do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, Okay, I did this thing I got the

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored bag. I'm doing it the way you want to,

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<v Speaker 2>just let it live. And now she's like, when you

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<v Speaker 2>google my name, your fashion show is coming up. And

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<v Speaker 2>now every time they talk about my wedding, your name

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<v Speaker 2>is coming up. And obviously there's like tension there because

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<v Speaker 2>people keep calling Kim the older sister or the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the family. Courtney's like, bitch, I was here before

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<v Speaker 2>she was here. I was definitely here before she was here.

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<v Speaker 2>So either or I really think that the demise of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kardashians is on the way, only because they can't

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<v Speaker 2>generate enough chaos to make this worthwhile. Someone said that

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<v Speaker 2>this storyline was like four or five episodes. This would

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<v Speaker 2>not fly in the old season.

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<v Speaker 1>See, but you don't have a sister. Ah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what it's coming back to me. I think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. It's a sister thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely a sister thing. But this is the drama,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. I don't think they'll be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get over it. It's no longer seeming worth it because now

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<v Speaker 2>their credibility is coming into question. It's making people critique

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<v Speaker 2>the whole family. Everyone's like, oh no, I'm over it

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<v Speaker 2>is worth it. And also we already got to taste

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<v Speaker 2>of this drama before it came on the show. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Can they really maintain a multimillion dollar empire talking about

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<v Speaker 2>old news for a long time?

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<v Speaker 1>People want more.

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<v Speaker 2>People want to hear about whether Chloe has the same

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<v Speaker 2>dad as the rest of her family.

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<v Speaker 1>Look give it.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to hear whether or not Kendall's actually queer, please,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they want to hear. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear about this should she or shouldn't she?

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<v Speaker 1>Adult?

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<v Speaker 2>They want to talk about sponsors content, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about that anyway. So that's all the

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<v Speaker 2>information you need. You need not do any more googling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that complex and uncomplicated. At the same time, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope they sold it out because I, unfortunately for Courtney,

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<v Speaker 2>feel as though if sides were taken, it would not

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<v Speaker 2>be hers. Oh maybe not rip all right, Well we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see tomorrow.

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