1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: On today's show, Emmy Lou McCarthy calls out taddle life 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: trolls as she binds sparks, debate about hospital food, and 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Anna McAvoy's wedding mishaps. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I'm so excited 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: that it's good Friday. I think the Easter long weekend 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: is very underrated. I've been looking forward to it ever 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: since Christmas ended. It seems to have popped up so 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: quickly because we don't usually have Easter in March, so 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: it's really taking me off guard. Usually I like to 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: decorate with my Easter decorations. I haven't even got them 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: out this year. I've hardly had a hot Cross bun either. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: I am planning to make some this weekend. Don't worry, 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: they'll be out for the rest of the year if 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: you ever feel like one, just without the cross of it. 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: I know, I'm so hanging for this weekend because it's 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: been such a busy week Like, I'm so over I 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: just want to chill out and eat Easter eggs. And 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: of course we've got our annual adult Easter egg hunt 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: coming up as well. Yeah, we do. I feel very 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: smug because on our birthday Amy, we were at the 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: supermarket and we saw that there were some eggs on 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: forty percent off, and I'm like, stock up now because 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: they always run out, and not to be rude, but 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: you're always left with the shit brands. Well it's the 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: mini eggs. The mini eggs have run out. Nobody can 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: get them. And I think because all over TikTok people 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: are making you know, cakes, and they're decorating them with 29 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: the mini eggs. Well, these are the mini speckled eggs 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: you're talking about, So they're the colorful eggs that are 31 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: all over TikTok. At the moment, I have saved some 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: recipes that I thought I might cook for this Sunday, 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: but it sounds like I'm not going to be able 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: to get my hands off. I've got some, so I 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: smugly I can beat uk. I bought them probably six 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: weeks ago. I saw them two yeah, and they because 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: they always run out, they do. I thought it would 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: be fun, maybe even a bit controversial, to do an 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Easter egg hierarchy this year. It did cause a bit 40 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: of trouble two years Ageah. Let's hope Bruno from the 41 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: Carlin JACKIEO Show is not listening to this segment. Now, 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: let's kick it off with our favorite. What is our 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: top tier Easter egg? Maltese eggs, Malteser eggs, crunchy eggs. 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: I think any Now I'm not talking about the mini 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: eggs that have sold out, but any small egg that 46 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: you use for an any hunt egg, I'll use that 47 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: word hunt. I think any of those are god to 48 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: I think the solid Cadbury chocolate ones definitely need to 49 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: be in the godea. What about this is a controversial one. 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: I think the Turkish Delight mini eggs are also god toes. 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: And today I actually bought Strawberry Cabri eggs. I actually 52 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: think they're rivaling the Turkish Delight. You know, it was 53 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: the worst. I have actually started a chocolate ban, and 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: this is to do with my skin because I've been 55 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: having a lot of pimples popping up and I forgot 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: that it was so I am day six of my 57 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: chocolate ban. But I think what I'm going to do 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: is I'm gonna have a week off chocolate and then 59 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: that will put me in good Stead for Sunday when 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I can enjoy all of the chocolate. Well, I can 61 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: trump you because on Tuesday after Easter Monday, I have 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: the glucose tests, so that's one of the pregnancy tests 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: where they check if you've got stational diabetes. And I'm like, 64 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm not really setting myself up very well. Back to 65 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the tears, though, I have to. I don't know if 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: this is controversial, but I think cream eggs they belong 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: in Hell. So I just hated a cream agg same 68 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: with the Humpty Dumpty egg. It tastes like shit with 69 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: the cream eggs. Apparently in the UK they were running 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: a competition that if you found a cream egg I 71 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: think it was with just a pure white center, so 72 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: without the yolk, Yeah, that you got I think ten 73 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And apparently Saffron Barker, who we've been talking 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: about all week because of their breakup, apparently her brother 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: bit into one saw and thought oh that's cool and 76 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: then ate the rest of it. He was not aware 77 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: of the competition. Well, I actually had a cream egg 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and I do not like 79 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: the small hunt egg versions of cream eggs. Their ship 80 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: House the biggest versions, because you talked about the mini 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: speckled eggs, but the bigger versions are better. But they 82 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: are so sickly that yeah, I think I would probably 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: put them in the met Tia. Now remember that add 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: back in the day with the cream egg there was 85 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: the dentist and he was like dissected in the middle 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: of the egg. That used to make me actually want them. 87 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: It was great advertising. But as you said, they've got 88 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: so much sugar. They're just too sweet. I want to 89 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: add the lint Bunny to the god Tier. Really, yes, 90 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: I I kind of went off them a couple of 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: years ago, and then last year I had one, and 92 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: then I also ate races. That's how good it was. 93 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: I think Farra roch hair, even though that's not traditionally 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: an Easter chocolate has to be in good they have 95 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the Ferrara rachair eggs or the bigger version of them 96 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: for Easter. I also know they have actual eggs. God 97 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: I forgot about them because someone please get me some 98 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: this year we weren't going to be giving. I think 99 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: any Haig's chocolate needs to be in god Ti. Add 100 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: another to the med tier. It is the life Saver's 101 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: Easter Bunny. Why is anyone like I mean, I love 102 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: marvelous chocolate, so I am not opposed to mixing lollies 103 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: with late but there's something about a fruit tingle and 104 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: chocolate it just does not go. I also hate Daryl 105 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: Lee chocolate. They're always the bunnies that are left, and 106 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: again I feel bad if anyone listening to this gives 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: me it. But the Rocky Road one I'm not. I 108 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: hate Coconuts thinner chocolate. Well it's sorry, it's actually a 109 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: thick piece of chocolate, but it almost tastes watered down. 110 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: Do you know what it is? And you hit the 111 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: nail on the head cake. The people who are giving 112 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: the fruit Tingle bunnies and also the Daryl Lee Rocky 113 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: Road ones, it's only because they're the last items left 114 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: and they've done their shopping late and they've just gone fuck. 115 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: I need to give something to somebody. If we need 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: to do a video of what your Easter egg says 117 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: about you. Do you know another one that I do 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: not like that I think is overrated, and I get 119 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: why people buy it because it looks cute, But any 120 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: of the Kinder Surprise range I don't like the chocolate 121 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: in that Brandon loves it because he likes white chocolate. 122 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: I agree, Kinder eggs are great. I hate the Kinder bars, 123 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, those like tiny little bars. I don't know. Oh, 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: there's something about the chocolate that doesn't taste is Kate? 125 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: You said before that you're making hot cross buns. Did 126 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: you guys see Sophie Jane Miller's biscoff homemade hot cross buns? 127 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Will they fail? Because I kind of tuned out? No, 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: she loved them about her partner rated them ten out 129 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: of time to day made my mouth water so much 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: I could have reached into the screen and grabbed one, 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: and they looked that girl. Well, we'll have to post 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: this official hierarchy in our Facebook group and you can 133 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: let us know what you think. 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: I do stand by what I say. Fuck off. 135 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: Emmy Lou McCarthy has had enough of the persistent trolling 136 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: on snark site tattle Life. The controversial influencer has lifted 137 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: the lid on the extent users have gone to to 138 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: find out information about her life. Now, Kate, before we 139 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: get into all of the drama, can you tell us 140 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: more about Emmylou's Tattle Life thread. Well. Users started posting 141 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: about Emmy Lou on Tattle Life back in October twenty 142 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: twenty one, and at the time of recording, one hundred 143 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: and twenty five threads exist about her on the hate forum. Now, 144 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: each of those threads can coins a thousand posts each, 145 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: so that's one hundred and twenty five thousand posts about 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Emmy Lou. 147 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: Now. 148 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: There is no way for an influencer to moderate that 149 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: forum or to have comments taken down, and there's also 150 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: no right of reply because members on the forum can 151 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: only provide access to other people to join. So people 152 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: are hardly going to be sending her a token to 153 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: join into the forum, are they. It kind of sounds 154 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: like raya, where you have to get invited in and 155 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: it's really difficult. It's such a strange concept. I wonder 156 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: when that whole invitation process started taking place. I am 157 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: not sure, but I know a lot of people in 158 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: our Facebook community are always desperate to get an invite 159 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: into tattle Now. All the drama kicked off when Emmy 160 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Lou posted an update to social media about her word 161 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: of the Year. So she shared a photo of herself 162 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: in active where doing the peace sign and captioned it 163 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: persistence twelve weeks into the year and I finally found 164 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: my word for twenty twenty four. Now. It didn't take 165 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: long for negative comments to flood in. One person wrote, 166 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: dress your age, put it away. Yeah, you say that 167 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: she was wearing active worsts. So she was wearing a 168 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: crop top and leggings just for context. Yeah, so you 169 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: could see her stomach and she was looking very fit, 170 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's why she said that persistence was 171 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: her word of the year now. Emmy Lou ended up 172 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: sharing the comment to her Instagram story and wrote, fuck 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: off is also a great word for twenty twenty four now. Unfortunately, 174 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: it seems by Emmy actually acknowledging that negative comment that 175 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: it enticed more people to write negative things. So troll 176 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: accounts began commenting how the photo looked photoshopped and slammed 177 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: her for not promoting body positivity. How old is Emmy Lou. 178 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: She's in her mid forties and she is a single mum. 179 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: I really didn't like the fact that people were commenting 180 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: on what she was wearing and policing it. I mean, 181 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: I understand more the photoshop comments because there was a 182 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: piece of grass in the background that looked a bit strange. Now. 183 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: The commentary led to Emmy announcing on her Instagram stories 184 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: that she had turned comments off on the later post, 185 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: and she reiterated it wasn't because she was ashamed of anything, 186 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: but because she didn't have the bandwidth for comments and feedback. 187 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: Today now, Emmy appeared on an Instagram story in her 188 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: underwear as a way to prove that she wasn't photoshopping 189 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: her body. Let's throw to some of what she said. 190 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: People have been telling me to put this shit away 191 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: at any stage of my body, so it doesn't really matter. 192 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: What really annoyed me was the age of agism of it, 193 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: the you know, address your age. We're allowed to dress 194 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: however we want, at any age we want. 195 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: Emmy, then let loose on the online trolls. Let's throw 196 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: to more of what she said. 197 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: You would like to take a screenshot of me right 198 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: now if you would like to. I don't know think 199 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: that the background is a fucking doesn't match this. If 200 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm airbrushed, if I have bowtops, I don't fucking know. 201 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Please go for it. Let me tell you something. My 202 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: arms are super wobbly. Look at that when I put 203 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: them up like this look as wobbly anymore. Okay, if 204 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: you want to say that I air brush, I'm on medication, 205 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: I have my kids, I don't have my kids, you 206 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: can say whatever you like. It doesn't matter, all right, 207 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: because I know the truth because I'm standing here on 208 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: this side of the phone. So unless you're standing here 209 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: next to me on this side of the phone metaphorically 210 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: literally whatever with me in my inner circle, you don't 211 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: know jackshit. 212 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: As research for this story, I have been looking into 213 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Emmy Lou's most recent tatle life threads, and it is 214 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: very clear that these comments are directed at the trolls 215 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: on that site, because she acknowledged a lot of the 216 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: negative commentary that's been hurled her way. In particular, trolls 217 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: were picking on the appearance of her arm at a 218 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: recent charity event over the weekend. We will dive into 219 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: it later, but it does come at odds with what 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: she was previously saying on her most recent rant, saying 221 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: that she has a cybersecurity expert and she doesn't read 222 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: any of the threads on Tattle Life. Yeah, it's quite 223 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: clear that she does keep an eye on her Tattle 224 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: thread and unfortunately this acknowledgment of that only ignited further 225 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: hate on the forum. So trolls were making extremely vile 226 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: comments about her body, including comments about her volver. And 227 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: it is clear this recent feedback really got to Emmy 228 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: because she went on to share photos and videos from 229 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: her career achievements with the caption let's take a moment 230 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: to celebrate all the things my body has never held 231 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: me back from doing. She then returned as you said 232 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: So to her Instagram story to explain the toll persistent 233 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: trolling is taking on her. Let's throw to what she said. 234 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: I've had this discussion with a lot of people in 235 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: the last few months. It's the unhealthy entitlement, it's the 236 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: unhealthy intrusion in my life I've had. I've had someone 237 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: out the front, to be honest with you, taking a 238 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: photo of my home and it's to put on, you know, 239 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: a hate site, like a gossip site, to encourage in 240 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: some cases violence, encourage hate. 241 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: Emmy then went on to say that it's gotten to 242 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: a point where trolls are seeking her out in public 243 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: to adally spy on her. So she claimed that a 244 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: member of tattle Life took photos of her and listened 245 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: into a private conversation. She had it a self service 246 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: checkout at Wolworths All to report back to Tattle Life. 247 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: She also said that she's been forced to enlist the 248 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: help of a cyber security team to monitor the online 249 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: behavior to ensure that it doesn't escalate to become a 250 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: safety issue, and she also admitted that the trolling has 251 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: left her questioning her influencer career. Here's what she said. 252 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: The behavior, I'm not going to say psychotic, that there 253 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: must be another word. The toxic behavior of some of 254 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: the online commentary and some of the stuff is just 255 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: absolutely mind blowing and out of control, and it's kind 256 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: of left me going, what do I do here? Do 257 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: I continue with this? Like? Is this what I want 258 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: in my life? I just wanted to be a TV presenter. 259 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: Do you guys think she actually has her own security team? No. 260 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: I think that Emmy Lou is her own cybersecurity team. 261 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: She knows far too many details about what's going down 262 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: on that forum. She was naming people by user name 263 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: and then doxing them online. I think that she keeps 264 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: a very close eye on this threat herself. I think 265 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: that she might have a friend who knows bits and 266 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: pieces about computers, and she's calling this friend a cyber 267 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: security expert. I think that it would take such a 268 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: toll on your mental health to be checking that forum 269 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: every day. But that's what I think she's cracked, because 270 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: she clearly has been. But I think initially she probably 271 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: was checking it, but now she's probably taking a step back, 272 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: and she's getting friends or family members to take a 273 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: look for her, because, as she says, it's becoming a 274 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: safety concern for her that people are rocking up to 275 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: her house taking photos. I think this could spur people 276 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: on more to harass her, because she's even said, oh, 277 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: it's made me think about stepping away from influencing, and 278 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people on tattle don't want her to 279 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: be in the influence of space. But the disturbing thing 280 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: is that these people almost love trolling her. It seems 281 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: to be a favorite pastime. It's a bit of a 282 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: hobby for them, like a sport. Yeah, they enjoy making 283 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: up these memes. They've all got their little pictures of her. 284 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: What are they called avatars? I don't know even when 285 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: I had a look. There's a wiki section on her 286 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: on tattle and it lists all the nicknames and different 287 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: phrases that they've come up with. So you know, when 288 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: I was reading through it, I'm like, what does that mean? 289 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: What does that mean? But there is reference to work 290 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: it all out. I think people are very passionate because 291 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: they think that she has done the wrong thing. This 292 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: is all what this hate forum is stemming from. Now, 293 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: we do have a complex relationship with tatle life. We've 294 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: experienced what it's like to be trolled on that platform before, 295 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: definitely not to the extent of Emilu. We are also 296 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: people who have enjoyed looking through threads. We do need 297 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: to put our hand up to that, and we do 298 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: use it for research on influencer deep dives and stories. 299 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: So in saying that, though, I do think that emilu 300 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: thread has gone way too far. So late last year, 301 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: members of tatle life expose that Emilu was going through 302 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: financial hardship by purchasing her business documents from ACIK. So 303 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: these documents are on the public record and can legally 304 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: be obtained by paying ASIK around twenty dollars. So Emmy 305 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: addresses allegations head on on an Instagram story. Let's throw 306 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: to some of what she said. 307 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: Now, I have made a huge amount of mistakes in 308 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: my career and in my personal life. 309 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: What could I say? 310 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm freaking human and I will continue to make them. 311 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: But do I need other people kind of telling me 312 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: what mistakes they think I've made, or you know, and 313 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: their conspiracy theories and their intrusion in my life? Just 314 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: an example, massive tax debt. I had a massive tax 315 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: set at the end of twenty twenty three. It's huge, 316 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: and you know, Jesus, I'm not an accountant. I got 317 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: set up by my previous accountant, just not in the 318 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: correct way. I didn't realize I was paying my bass, 319 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: I was paying my staff, I was paying my superpaid 320 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: all my invoices, but then ended up with this huge 321 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: tax det and it freaking almost like I've known two 322 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: people in my lifetime that have actually taken their lives 323 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: over a tax stet. And it was hugely distressing, and 324 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: I put my business through a restructure. Now if that 325 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: wasn't stressful enough, I've got this online. These absolute you know, 326 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what you'd call them, paying assi like 327 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: they're that obsessed And that's the only word I can 328 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: think of. And even my accountant and you know, I've 329 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: had to go to therapy because I'm like, what is 330 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: with this? They're that obsessed that they actually pay asset money, 331 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: like you can just pay nineteen ninety five and get 332 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: my company details. Totally fine, It's totally legal if that's 333 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: what you want to do. And they harassed me and 334 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: all of my clients, all of my brand partners, everyone. 335 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: She has a massive tax det she has a massive 336 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: tax det she's gone into administration. I'm like, well, okay, 337 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: first thing, it's a restructure. 338 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Do you guys think it's in the public interest to 339 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: know about Emmylou's tax debt. I think it's in the 340 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: public interest to know if she's done something illegal, But 341 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the public's right to go and 342 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: police it and go and try and find these documents 343 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,359 Speaker 1: and expose her. That is the job of a journalist 344 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: or someone in law enforcement. It's not the job of 345 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: a fan or an anti fan to go and find 346 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: out this information. Yeah, this entitlement that the trolls in 347 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Emmy Lu's title Life Threat are showcasing is perfectly explained 348 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: in the recent findings from the Cardiff University study into 349 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: Andy Fans that we spoke about last week. The reality 350 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: is the majority of the people that are partaking in 351 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: this trolling of Emmy Lou used to actually be fans 352 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: of her at some point, and it's likely that they 353 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: have somehow felt exploited or neglected by Emmy Lou at 354 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: some stage, and perhaps they felt like she was using 355 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: them to gain brand deals or they felt excluded from 356 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: her life. And in this case, it's likely that the 357 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: trolls feel like Emmilu has been lying to them about 358 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: her financial position. So while they don't have any business 359 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: knowing about her financial position, they think that they're entitled 360 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: to know what's going on because they've formed this one 361 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: sided parasocial relationship with her and the Cardiff University. As 362 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: we touched on, last week's study found, the ends will 363 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: speculate about what goes on behind the closed doors of 364 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: influencers lives and they'll feel in what they call narrative gaps. 365 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: But in this case, Emmy Lou's anti fans have taken 366 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: it one step further and they've actually done a full 367 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: investigation on her, including paying for these ACIIC documents. So, 368 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: as you said, sobe, it's as if these anti fans 369 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: have taken it upon themselves to ensure justice is they 370 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: are playing judge and jury without all the facts, and 371 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: they seem like they generally believe that they know better 372 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: than the ATO. They've even added the acid information to 373 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: her Tatle wiki and they've plastered around how much they 374 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: think that she owes. It seems to me that the 375 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: members of Tatle Life don't think that Emmy Lou was 376 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: appropriately punished by the ATO, so they've decided to perform 377 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: their own retribution and they've been reaching out to brands 378 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: that she works with to let them know of this 379 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: tax debt. Now I don't understand this. This woman is 380 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: clearly financially struggling, and these people just want to cut 381 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: off more of her income stream. I think that there 382 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: are instances where it's appropriate for people to reach out 383 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: to brands when an influencer has done the wrong thing. 384 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: For instance, if Emmy was found to be doing something 385 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: illegal with her tax and she was working with a 386 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: financial brand, I think it would be quite kind of 387 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: people in the NOD to tell that brand because it 388 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: looks bad on the brand. However, yeah, because that alignment 389 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: just seems wrong. However, if she's working with a fake 390 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: tan business. It's not really relevant information. But how far 391 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: do these people want to push her? I mean it 392 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like they want to ruin her business, 393 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: They want to ruin her life. If she was to 394 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: take her own life, would people then sit back and 395 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: feel terrible about the way they've treated her. Did speak 396 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: about how two of her friends had taken their own life, 397 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: and that was to do with large tax steps that 398 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: they had, So I think that she was trying to 399 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: humanize herself to this community of people who have almost 400 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: turned her into a cartoon character. 401 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 402 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: I would have thought that people would have more sympathy 403 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: for small business owners during this cost of living crisis, 404 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: particularly one who is a single mum. Now, Emmy did 405 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: go on to explain the process of a business restructure 406 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: and described it as a very brutal experience. She then 407 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: said this, I did not. 408 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: Borrow one cent from anybody. I did not disturb anybody. 409 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: I took care of business myself all while these awful 410 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: trolls were harassing me every day. Every day they were 411 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: on me, and I look at those hate pages. I 412 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: own touch those things. They're completely psychotic if. 413 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: You ask me now. 414 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: They were coming over to me because they couldn't handle that, 415 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: you know, like I don't know what they couldn't handle, 416 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: but they had to come and harass me. Anybody else 417 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: would have fucking broke. And I'll tell you what it was. 418 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: It was hard going, and you know there was that entitlement. 419 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: You need to be honest with your followers, nor I 420 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: fucking don't. What I need to do is take care 421 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: of business. What I need to do is take care 422 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: of my family. What I need to do is make 423 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: sure that I'm okay because I'm the I'm the person 424 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: providing for my family here. You know, you can say 425 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: whatever you want so I can. Don't let the handbags 426 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: behind me. For you, I'm a fucking single mom. I'm 427 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: like on a single parents wage, trying to do the 428 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: best that I can while still negotiate business and do 429 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: all those kind of things as well. 430 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: Emmy then went on to say that she has nothing 431 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: to lose and will no longer tolerate the harassment. She 432 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: then said this, but just no, nothing is worth. 433 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: You know, everything is worth being here for That is 434 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: just a taxt it. You will get through it, okay. 435 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: It is so important because, like I said, I've known 436 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: two people in my lifetime to have taken their lives 437 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: over at taxed it. And I understand, I understand the 438 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: loneliness and how confronting it is. But we are worth 439 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: being here for we are not born accountants. We don't 440 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: know how that fucking shit works. And it's okay because 441 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: you will learn pretty quickly, and you take that business 442 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: learning and you move on and you move on to 443 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: your next your next lot of goals. 444 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Emmy Lou then issued a final warning patrols. 445 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: As for all of those trolls on there, and you 446 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: keep going. You know, I've got a cybersecurity a guy 447 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: taking care of all of that. For me, I don't 448 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: look at it. However, everybody's watching you, and just remember 449 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: this when you're taking my photo, when you're man, not 450 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: when you're taking my photo down in TALKI, when you're 451 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: taking out a public event, there are other people with 452 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: phones taking my photo as well, taking photos of the crowd, 453 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: taking photos of a whole lot of stuff. So please 454 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: don't think that you'll be invisible forever, because you won't be. 455 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: And the difference between you and me is that I 456 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: have the guts to stand here and own it. It's 457 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: my face here, it's my name here, come at me. 458 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: That comment has rattled a lot of people on tuttle 459 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: The site is obviously a non and I think a 460 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: lot of these people are now concerned about the mask, 461 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: like being unveiled as a troll, and they really don't 462 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: like it. They don't like the fact that Emmy Lou 463 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: has turned it onto them, like she's talking about them 464 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: now and they're saying, oh, I don't like that. You know, 465 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: some people have been named from that threat. How dare they? 466 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: Will you talk about her all day and all night. 467 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: I think it was so powerful for her to name 468 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: the troll accounts. I really like that she did that. 469 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: And I think that people don't want to be held 470 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: accountable for the things that they've said online, because I mean, 471 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: there's a lot of backtracking going on in that Tattle 472 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: life thread, and it's I think that they because they 473 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: have actually been called out. I think that they're thinking, oh, fuck, 474 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: this does actually sound that I'm trying to put it 475 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: in black and white. We're trying to make a lot 476 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: of excuses now, like they're coming out of the woodwork 477 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: on our Instagram page being like, well look into this 478 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: and look into that. I do find it funny because, 479 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: as you said, Amy, these people are panicking that they 480 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: are going to be unmasked, and they're really clutching at 481 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: straws because they're saying, oh, this dot is unfair. But 482 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: tattle users need to realize that they are not anonymous 483 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: and the arrogance of these people to demand accountability from influencers, 484 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: but they think that they can do anything they like 485 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: under this veil of anonymity. But I really like the 486 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: way that she said the difference is I put my 487 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: face to this. I'm putting my name to it, and 488 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: you guys are sitting behind a computer scrap Well, remember 489 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: Salty's Day, Because it turned out that Salty's Day, which 490 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: was a hate page on Sarah's Day, it was a 491 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: teacher behind it. So I think a lot of the 492 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: people in this hate forum, a lot of them are 493 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: like doctors and nurses and terrors, and if they were 494 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: found to be on this forum commenting the way that 495 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: they are, it would be damaging for their career. And 496 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: as we've said before, I don't feel completely guilt free 497 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: in this situation because I have been someone that has 498 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: read tattle life forums for years. We use it for research. 499 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: I've never actually posted on there before, and I do 500 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: think that there is a big difference between holding influences 501 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: to account and mercilessly trolling and bulling them to the 502 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: point that they feel unsafe, and some members of the 503 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: tattle Life forum have crossed the line when it comes 504 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: to the treatment of Emilou. I think that there's definitely 505 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: a scale of tattle Life uses. I don't think that 506 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: everyone on the site is a bully by any means. 507 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a few toxic individuals who are the 508 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: rotten apple in the pack, and they lead the conversations. 509 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: And I think that there are genuinely people in there 510 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: who like influences and they enjoy getting a bit of 511 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the gossip, because I don't think that there's anything wrong 512 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: with having a fun gossip. But this has just definitely 513 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: crossed the line. When you are talking about people's appearance 514 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: in a negative way, you're being derogatory, you're being ages, 515 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: you're being sexist. There's so many things that have crossed 516 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: the line from some users, and in that form, it's 517 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: bordering on obsession and potentially stalking. Like what do we 518 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: consider stalking. I think when people are out at the 519 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: shops listening into phone conversations and taking photos to go 520 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: post back on Tattle Life that has crossed a bit, 521 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: But also, like someone brought up in our community, this 522 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: is verging on hate speech. A lot of these comments 523 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: are so defamatory and derogatory, and I just think that 524 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: people need to take a step back and realize that 525 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: there is a real woman on the other side. I 526 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: just don't understand from a legal perspective, how this website 527 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: still exists. Well, it's definitely crying out for some form 528 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: of moderation, because I will stand by I do think 529 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: that the website has got positives to it in the 530 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: sense that it is a good place to hold influencers 531 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: to account based on their behavior, but it has turned 532 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: into a cesspool of harassment and bulling and something needs 533 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: to change. 534 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: I'm a very balanced person. I always have been. I 535 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: live and breathe health, fitness, wellness. 536 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: As she binds a spark debate about the state of 537 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: hospital food, saying smoothies, fresh fruit and bone broth should 538 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: be readily available to patients, the og Fitness influencers spent 539 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: two nights in hospital after she'd lost her vision. Now, 540 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: before we get into it, Sophie Ashally had some pretty 541 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: scary news over the week which led to her hospital stay. Yeah, 542 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: so on Sunday, she did check herself into hospital after 543 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: she'd lost vision in her eyes for the third time 544 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: that week, and she underwent a number of eye tests 545 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: and also did a c T scan, which sadly revealed 546 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: she has a small brain aneurism. Now, doctors were unsure 547 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: if her vision loss was linked to the aneurism, so 548 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: she spent the past few days in hospital being monitored 549 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: and waiting on an MRI scan. Now as she shared 550 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: the news with her followers, writing feeling scared and worried 551 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: as this is what my grandma passed away from, and 552 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: Steve also had a gigantic one when he was younger. 553 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: We are so lucky he's still here, but mine is 554 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: only small and they also don't think it's related to 555 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: my symptoms this past week, so I am grateful that 556 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: they found it so they can keep an eye on 557 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: it and monitor it if it grows or not. Now, 558 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: she also went on to reveal that her two uncles 559 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: have been diagnosed with brain aneurysms, with one sadly passing 560 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: away from it. This would be particularly tough when you 561 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: have seen your loved ones pass away from this condition, 562 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: and luckily her MRI came back all clear, so they 563 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: are just going to be monitoring this brain aneurysm now. 564 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: During her two nights stay in hospital, she has spark 565 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: debate about whether hospital food is nutritious enough for its patients. 566 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: So during a TikTok video, as she explained that she 567 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: was in the process of ordering her breakfast for the 568 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: next morning, and I thought it was quite impressive because 569 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: there was an online menu system that she could pick from. 570 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Seems like that's a bit of a trap because I 571 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: think of that online menu system like McDonald's and the 572 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: food's delicious, But I don't think hospital food would be delicious. 573 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people said that they just thought you 574 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: sort of get given what you get given in hospital, 575 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: and there's not much choice. It's not clear if this 576 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: was a public or private hospital. 577 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 578 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought that you just got like a piece of 579 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: paper and to tick what you got. Yeah, Well, she 580 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the options available. Let's throw to what 581 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: she said, what should they eat? 582 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: I really feel like hospitals should not be serving like 583 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 4: basic cereals. They should be serving a breakfast full of nutrients, 584 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 4: offering fee fresh smoothies, loads of fresh fruit, bone broths, 585 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: you know. So we've got that. We've got a hot wreki, 586 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: which is just scrambled eggs, are sausage, probably tin baked 587 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: beans and grilled tomato. We've got bakery, white roll, bread, 588 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 4: whole meal bread, white margarine, butter jam I'm guessing peanut butter. 589 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: I' vegie mighte. 590 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 4: We've got convents, salt and pepper, tomato, sauce, breakfast fruit, 591 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: banana or tinned fruit. So that's literally all of water 592 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: at the moment is banana. We've got drinks, juices, teas, coffee, 593 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 4: add sugar, and then we've got a high energy which 594 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: is just plain yogurt. So no one really liking my 595 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: options here. I think I'll stick with the banana and 596 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: then get steeved to bring with something else. But I 597 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 4: feel like I'll be starving. 598 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 3: Now. 599 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: The reason people are getting so up in arms about 600 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Ashy's comments is because she does have a very checkered 601 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: background in health and nutrition. So in twenty fourteen, the 602 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: diet plan that she brought out was actually labeled as 603 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: the three worst diets on the market, so it was 604 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: allegedly so nutritionally unsound that are only ranked behind the 605 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: liquid only weight Loss plan and the lemon detox diet 606 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: and skinny meat tea diets. Now, the reason it ranked 607 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: so badly was because of this cookie cutter approach it 608 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: took to weight loss. So the diet encouraged women to 609 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: eat fresh, whole foods and libert carbohydrates, sugar, and saturated fats. 610 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: It also advised the elimination of dairy products and not 611 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: to eat more than one piece of fruit a day. 612 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: The hospital system might like this diet planet might be 613 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot cheaper than what they're currently serving. I think 614 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: that as she actually had some pretty valid points about 615 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: the lack of nutritious food in hospitals, because malnutrition is 616 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: a real problem with long term patients, But it was 617 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: the optics of it and the way that she turned 618 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: her nose up at some pretty ordinary breakfast items like 619 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand what is wrong with wholemealed toast and 620 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: eggs and grilled tomatoes. Those are actually quite healthy options available. 621 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 1: This has been a hot topic on a lot of 622 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,719 Speaker 1: health podcasts recently that I've listened to, and there is 623 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: the view that the hospital is using a very outdated system, 624 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: which is the food pyramid to work out what food 625 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: they are feeding their patients. And if you do look 626 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: at a lot of the menus, a lot of these 627 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: breakfast items are full of sugar or a lot of 628 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: fat as well, and so there is the view that 629 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: some of these foods are making some of the patients 630 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: actually sicker. So I agree with what as she's saying, 631 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: but I just think it makes her come across as 632 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: a bit of a dick because she is an influence 633 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I need my smoothie and I 634 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: need this, But what she's saying is actually correct. And 635 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: also the fact that people are holding her accountable to 636 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: a diet program that she bought out more than ten 637 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: years ago. The health and wellness space has changed so 638 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: much in that space of time. We have seen things 639 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: marketed completely differently than they are now. What people had 640 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: a problem with is that the state of the hospital 641 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: system is so complex. There are a lot of other 642 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: issues that we need to fix before we fix the 643 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: men I mean, a lot of hospitals are underfunded, understaffed, 644 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of nurses who were 645 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: weighing into this conversation in our Facebook community were saying 646 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: that when are they going to find the time to 647 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: be getting a nutribullet out and whizzing up these smoothies 648 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: and bringing in bone. People aren't expecting the doctors and 649 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: nurses to do that. I'm assuming that there is a 650 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: third party company that looks after the food, but we 651 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: are talking about a system that is already broken in 652 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: this country. All of that, but it is still so important. 653 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: If you've got someone who's just had a heart attack 654 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: and you're feeding them these high fat foods or high 655 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: sugar foods that aren't going to help with their recovery, 656 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: it is a big issue. And that's the thing. There's 657 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: so many vulnerable people in nursing homes and also hospitals 658 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: who were being served up the most appalling meals. And 659 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: our nana lived at a nursing home for over seven years, 660 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: and when her food arrived, I just couldn't even imagine 661 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: eating it, like it made me feel sick to my 662 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: stomach and so sad, because it's not like when you're 663 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: a young person in hospital, most of the time you 664 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: can order uber eats or get someone to bring food 665 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: in for you. But a lot of the older people 666 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: are in a situation where maybe then don't get many visitors. 667 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: It is really sad because I think food is one 668 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: small joy that people have in their lives, and for 669 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: people living in nursing homes who often don't get to 670 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: see a lot of people each day, that one small 671 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: pleasure is being taken away from them, and they probably 672 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: look forward to getting their meal all day, and then 673 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,239 Speaker 1: it's just met with complete disappointment. As someone who is 674 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: going to have a hospital stay soon when I give birth, 675 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm already getting nervous about the food. I saw some 676 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: people in our Facebook group sharing some of the stuff 677 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: that they got on the maternity to ward at different hospitals. 678 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I nearly vomited. Like I am someone who I'm very 679 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: visual with my food, like it has to look nice 680 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: and say, look, I rushings of hot school driver. I'm 681 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: one of those people that I actually, as you said, Sophie, 682 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: like if I was in a nursing home and I 683 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: was offered something to eat, I couldn't stomach it. And 684 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm a bit the same in hospital. Some worried about 685 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 1: how I'm going to go. Yeah, the whole thing like 686 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: being around medical stuff and already there's gross like the 687 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: toilet's right, then the food has a smell to it, 688 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: like I saw one of the pictures someone shared was 689 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: this piece of like white bassa fish, and I feed 690 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: that to our dog Shadow and it looked like that 691 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: with like literal slop next to it. So I'm hoping 692 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: that someone takes pity on me and brings me into food. 693 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 3: It's something really dumb, really really dumb. Two months before 694 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: my wedding. 695 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: The countdown to podcaster Anna Macavoy's Destination wedding is on. 696 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: The former Love Island contestant is set to marry her 697 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: fiance Michael Staples in Greece in two months time. However, 698 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: it hasn't been smooth sailing for Anna. Last week, she 699 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: shared that she feared she would be unable to smile 700 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: on her wedding day due to a dental procedure she 701 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: had done. Now, a dentist suggested that she get massatar 702 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: botox to stop her grinding her teeth due to stress 703 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: over her wedding. Apparently, her her teeth had become very 704 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: chipped over time. Here's a snippet of what she said. 705 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: If they hit the wrong area, you can have a 706 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: lopsided smile like you can't smile, and it takes like 707 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: four days to a week to kick in. And it's 708 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: been about three days and I feel like my smile 709 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: has gone lopsided. I don't know if it has, but 710 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: even just looking at my mouth, I've never looked at 711 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 3: my mouth so much, but I feel like this side 712 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: is not as high. I'm like, really not trying to 713 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: freak myself out, but I literally am getting married in 714 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 3: two months and I need to smile on my wedding day. 715 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm confused though, because I have the same issue as Anna. 716 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: I grind my teeth at night, and my dentist prescribed 717 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: me a mouthguard to stop it. And that stops you 718 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: chipping your teeth. Why did they not just give her that? Well, 719 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: that's the thing. 720 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: I think. 721 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: I only stops you from actually causing damage to your teeth, 722 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: but I still think it might cause stress headaches from 723 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: actually clenching your teeth together. I think she must go 724 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: to one of those really fancy dentists, you know, the 725 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: ones that are really esthetic, and the second you walk 726 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: in the door, you know that you're going to be 727 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: charged an arm and a leg. And they now offer 728 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of skin treatments and bowtox. So I think 729 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: that this dentist has probably thought, oh, this is a 730 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: treatment that she could keep having to come back for. 731 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: I do want to say it was a false alarm 732 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: and thankfully this botox did not affect Anna's smile, So 733 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: she's all right for the wedding. Thank god, because wouldn't 734 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: it be awkward if you couldn't smile on your wedding folks. Well, 735 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: the thing now is that she's struggling to find a hairdresser. 736 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: So she put out a PSA on a TikTok saying 737 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: are there any hairdressers who are going to be in Greece? 738 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: And she shared that she had this disaster hair trial 739 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: and basically it looks like she's opting for an updo. 740 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: How do you get a hair trial in grease when 741 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: you're in Australia. Well, I think it was someone in 742 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: Australia that she was hoping might travel with her, and god, 743 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: it did not look good. She said, if you think 744 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: you can do better than this, please hit me up. 745 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: And she said that she's incredibly desperate. And I'm surprised 746 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: because she did confirm that she's tying the knot on 747 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: the twenty first of May. I thought that maybe she 748 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to let that information out there, but particularly 749 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: when her co host Matt Zukowski is keeping all of 750 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: his wedding details under He's going to go stalk it 751 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: in Greece. But I'm saying she still has a profile, 752 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: she's still a form of Love Island contestant, and Tammy 753 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: Hembro will probably be at that way, but perhaps aren't 754 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: going to go across to Greece. Not to be rude 755 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: to Anna, but she's not Tammy Hembro. Yeah, but Tammy 756 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: Hembrow is going to be at her wedding. So well, 757 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: everyone is so interested in Tammy and Matt's love life. 758 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there will be some you know, speculation. 759 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: They're not flying Percy, they're not flying to grease for it. Yeah, 760 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: but people want the snap of Tammy walking down the 761 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: aisle because there's been so much discussion about her love life, 762 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: the fact that she's been engaged two totally different weddings. Well, 763 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: that is where we are going to leave things today. 764 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: If you do enjoy the podcast, we would love it 765 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: if you could make sure you are subscribed and leave 766 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: us a review. Also, if you want to hear more 767 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: content from us. Don't forget to subscribe to Outspoken Plus. 768 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: We drop a new episode for subscribers every Thursday. This 769 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 770 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders 771 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: past and present.