1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: For comprehensive political coverage impacting territorians. The only voice you 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: need is Katie Woolf on three sixty remaining one hundred 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: percent and to Mix one oh four point nine. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Well, it is just twenty four minutes after eleven o'clock 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: and I'm very pleased to say that joining me in 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: the studio right now is much loved and well respected 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: broadcaster and also campaigner against domestic violence, Charlie King. 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: Good morning. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: Hellok, congratulations on your reward. 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: I must say thank you very much sir your moment. 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: I believe you've got the same, don't you. And I 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: really appreciate that. Charlie, you are somebody who I've got 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: a lot of respect for us very much appreciate that. 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. I mean it too, because you do some 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: great work and well done as we've got this big 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 4: ride coming up this Saturday. 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: Now, for those out there listening who don't know as 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: much about no More as as others, talk us through. 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: Firstly, what it's all about. 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 4: Aure right, Well, I'll tell you the history of it, 22 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: because it's a good moment to raise the fact that 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 4: the man who first said those words no More is 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: an old man from Jundamu called Jakamara Nelson. That's not 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: his name, but we in respect we call it Jakamara. 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: So he passed away on Monday. Now he was somewhere 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 4: between seventy seven and eighty two years old. We we 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: don't quite know, but he did outlive the life expectancy 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: for an Indigenous male, which is about seventy six. So 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 4: he got beyond that. But he passed away. But in 31 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: two thousand and six, when I traveled around the Northern 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: Territory talking to men specifically about family bo it's not 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: just indigenous men, but I visited I think about thirty 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 4: four communities and I went to Jundamou and I had 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 4: a group of men of about I don't know thirty men, 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: and we were and they wanted to talk football with me, 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: which we did and whatever. And then then we got 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: to the bit around domestic violence. And I said to them, 39 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 4: do you know how big this problem is in Australia 40 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: And they said, well, no, we don't. And I said, well, 41 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: at that time, five hundred thousand victims of family violence 42 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: every year. I said five hundred thousand. That's one every minute. 43 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 4: So you played football for two hours, that's one hundred 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 4: and twenty minutes. That's one hundred and twenty victims more. 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: And they all looked at me and they were quiet, 46 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: and that old man got up. He was younger than 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: of course, and he walked towards me, and he was 48 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: only a meter in front of me, and he shook 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: his finger, waggled his finger in front of my eyes, 50 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 4: and he said, no more, no more. So no more 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: an aboriginal way means get rid of it. Looking for 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: someone that's passed away. What happened to old Billy? They said, 53 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 4: he's no more, he's gone finished, you know. So that's 54 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 4: and so I thought, that's a strong statement to you. 55 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: So we've dedicated our work to people like Jakomara, who 56 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: we remember now and we're trying to get that statue 57 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 4: made to recognize him, or people who do the most 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 4: work to try and stop family violence. 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Well, and it's such important work that you're doing all 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: around the Northern Territory and it's spread even further now 61 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: as well, has Nash is it? You know, it's something 62 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: I think that we all need to be talking about. 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: And this weekend you've actually got a really special event, 64 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: a big event taking place. It's a ride and everybody 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: can can really get involved, can't. 66 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 3: They, Charlie yep. 67 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: So you meet out at Hidden Valley I think about 68 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: three point thirty on Saturday, and you ride from Hidden 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 4: Valley into this dall and CBD and then down Daily 70 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: Street and out on Tobacco Road now to the Nightcliffe Oval, 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: and you arrive there around about I don't know what time, 72 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: just before the game starts. 73 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: I think I've got it here. 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Start So start at three point thirty I believe, and 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: then you arrive at or finish at about six pm 76 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: at Nightcliffe Ove. 77 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And then we want the motorcycle riders 78 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 4: and they could be up to two hundred if the 79 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: weather's fine. We hope it's a fine day. But they'll 80 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: all link arms and do an arc around the players 81 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: who will do the same thing Nightcliffe and Palmerston. So 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: we're really pleased. I had to talk with the Nightcliffe 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: team last night, and I'll talked to Palmerston before the 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: weekend about what they're going to do. But we'll have 85 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: a no more stand set up there in information like 86 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: you have when you go out there and broadcast from 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: out there. You know, are you broadcasting from out there. 88 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure whether we are. I 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: won't be there this weekend. But Charlie, this is something 90 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: that you know that you've done, or that you do 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: with a lot of the different sporting clubs and also 92 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: different community groups. How important is it really to get 93 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: these different community groups and sporting clubs involved? 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 4: The greatest thing whenever you raise this issue with anyone, 95 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: they're so interested in it and they feel strongly about it, 96 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: but you know that when you walk away, it disappears 97 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: and they get on with their normal life. What we're 98 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: trying to do is keep the message out there for 99 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 4: as long as we possibly can raise awareness around it. 100 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: Like that figure I gave you five hundred thousand one 101 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: every minute people stop and think as that you know, 102 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 4: and I say, is this a lucky country? Well, it's 103 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: not for everybody, not five hundred and five hundred thousand victims. 104 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: And you know, one act of violence can affect thirty 105 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 4: five people directly associated with It's a bit a bit 106 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: like the virus, you know, like you just don't know 107 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: how bad it can be, but it's a terrible thing. 108 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: And so we try to make a strong message out 109 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: there that do what you can to stop family violence, 110 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: and we'll give some tips out about what things people 111 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: can actually do, you know, to be an active bystander 112 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: or someone who just ignores it and walks away. 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: Is it important as well to sort of have that 114 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: message really at some of these at some different events too, 115 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: where for some young people, if there may be growing 116 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: up in a home that is violent, they might realize 117 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: that it's not the way that other families are. But 118 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: is it important do you think sometimes for our younger 119 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: generation as well to understand that it's not okay and 120 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: that if there is something like that going on, that 121 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: there are people that they can speak to you. 122 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 4: That's an amazing question to ask, and it fits in 123 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: very strongly with a meeting I had yesterday with the 124 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: police outside of Darwin, and what's happening in some families 125 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: is the teenage group in the family are actually beating 126 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: the younger ones in that group because they've all grown 127 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 4: up knowing that violence is the way to deal with problems. 128 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: So they're saying, as much as it's the adults, it's 129 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: the older kids beating up the younger kids now and 130 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 4: in a bad, savage way, you know. So it's I 131 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: mean this issue was so big it'll just continue to grow. 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: So if we can raise awareness and make people talk 133 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: about it, and people like you give us time to 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 4: talk about it on radio and the newspapers and go 135 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 4: onto it and television, it gets it out there when 136 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 4: when people we want people to rise up and say 137 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: no more, We're not going to put up with this anymore. 138 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 4: What can I do to help? That's what we're looking for. 139 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really important message, So important, Charlie. 140 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: We have been talking this morning as well. 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: About the report which was handed down into the Collingwood 142 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: Football Club into racism. 143 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: What was your reaction? 144 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's a disgraceful report in terms of 145 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 4: looking at it from the Collingwood point of view. But 146 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: what bothers me so much about that was their president, 147 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: Eddie Maguire, who came out and said those ridiculous things 148 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 4: about this being a proud and of course, as most 149 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 4: Indigenous people, our minds went straight back to the stuff 150 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 4: he said about Adam Goods and got away with it. 151 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: I mean, how long can they put up with him? 152 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: You know? And I just get really disappointed when I 153 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: hear the you know, the head of AFL sort of 154 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: almost excuses him said, oh, look, I wouldn't have I 155 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: wouldn't have used that word proud, you know, But at 156 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: the same time saying what a great man. This is 157 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: not a great man. This is not a great man 158 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 4: and he never has been. And the quicker the Collingwood 159 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: Committee dumps him, the better off they will be. Just 160 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 4: take a stand against that stuff because it is unacceptable 161 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: and it just incites more vicious views about racism in Australia, 162 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: you know, like it's okay to put someone down because 163 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: of their race. It is not good, you know. And 164 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: you don't know the effects of racism unless you're on 165 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: the receiving end of it. I've always said that, you know, 166 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: unless you get, unless you cop it, then you just 167 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: don't know. And I know from when I was a 168 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: little boy, you know, and we used to walk along 169 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: the stre eat singing. You know, if you step on 170 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: a crack, you marry your black I didn't know what 171 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: that meant. I didn't know what that meant. When I 172 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: found out, I was like horrifying. You know, they're if 173 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: they step on a crack, the thing one day they'll 174 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: marry someone like me. 175 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: Well, you go, what's wrong with that it all well. 176 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: And look, I think it's one of those things, like 177 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: you said, unless you're on the receiving end of it, 178 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: you don't actually, we don't understand it. 179 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 3: I don't. 180 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: You know. 181 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: I haven't been on the receiving end of a racist comment. 182 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: I have. 183 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: I've certainly seen somebody say something racist about my nephew 184 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: and it made me incredibly upset. So I can only 185 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: imagine how it would be to be the person who's 186 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: on the receiving end of it. I mean, do you 187 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: think we need to do more as a community when 188 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: you talk about specifically in the sporting you know, in 189 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: the sporting community, to try to really stop that racism. 190 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think sport and territory it does 191 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: it very well, really, you know. I mean someone's talking 192 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: to me yesterday and said, you know how many Aboriginal 193 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: players plan? I said, well, there's a lot, you know, 194 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: like people want Aboriginal players to play. And let's make 195 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 4: this clear, it's not just Aboriginal people. It's all the 196 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: migrants that come here, you know what I mean, Like, 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: let's get this right, you know, let's be a country 198 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 4: that reaches out and welcomes people and helps them and 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: works with them and accepts them for what they are. 200 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: Do you know what, Because the one thing you can't 201 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: change in your life is what you are, what you're 202 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: born as, And that's what's hurtful about racism comments. What 203 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 4: can you do about it? What can you do? Nothing? 204 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: You can't do anything about it. If they make you 205 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: feel bad about it, you try desperately to rise above 206 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 4: that and start to feel good about it. And some 207 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: people can, but not everybody can. Some people are crushed 208 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: by it and their whole life is suppressed because they've 209 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: been racially abused, you know. And we've seen it in 210 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,359 Speaker 4: the early days in the AFL. We don't see it anymore, 211 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 4: but you know we've seen it in the cricket I 212 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: mean most recently when the Indians were here. Well, what's 213 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: all that about? We need to stamp it out, talk 214 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: about it and say this is not acceptable. We need 215 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: the Prime Minister to get out and say the time 216 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: has come for Australia to do a lot more in 217 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 4: this area, not sugarcoated or move away from it. And 218 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: when people do the wrong thing, put them in their 219 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: place and call them out. 220 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Charlie King, really good to talk to you this morning, 221 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: and we will make sure that all of our listeners 222 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: know exactly where they need to be and what time, 223 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: of course, for the No More Domestic and Family Violence 224 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: social right that's happening this weekend. 225 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: It sounds like it's going to be a great, great event. 226 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: And thanks so much for coming in and talking to 227 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: us about a raft of different things, but particularly about 228 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: the No More campaign and all the great work you 229 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: do in that space. 230 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: Thanks Courdie, really get the chance to do it, but 231 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 4: when I come always walk away feeling pretty happy about it. 232 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: Charlie, thank you.