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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Leah, Good morning Katie to your listeners, Leah, how.

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Speaker 2: Did that situation unfold on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Look, we had a beautiful service to commemorate Ohi Day,

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Speaker 4: then after the ceremony, you know, people, some people were

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Speaker 4: I think that's an important thing that we have to do.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of the frustrations being borne by

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Speaker 1: You have questioned this morning why no members of the

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Speaker 4: Well, I think what's prompted me to make that comment,

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Speaker 4: Katie is the fact that we've seen the Gunner government.

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Speaker 4: We've seen Michael Gunner and Natasha Files come out I

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Speaker 3: But that sort of made me think, well, why weren't

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Speaker 4: If you think the Greek community is so important in

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Speaker 4: the hypocrisy really, Katie, because it is an important day

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Speaker 1: I guess so from seeing what had happened obviously then

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Speaker 3: No, I can't understand that, Katie.

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Speaker 4: The service was a beautiful and very special and ultimately

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Speaker 4: that is a major issue, particularly for business. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Mandate, you know.

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Speaker 4: And so now we've got a government basically in hiding,

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Speaker 1: So the twelfth of November is obviously the date. We're

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Speaker 4: Well, we certainly had to wait three weeks to get

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Speaker 3: We really thought within that first.

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Speaker 1: And so what you think obviously that they need to

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Speaker 3: Now without question.

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Speaker 4: You know, people have huge questions around the HR support

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Speaker 1: Where do you think this is all going to land

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Speaker 4: I really don't know, Katie, but what I do know

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Speaker 4: And he needs to start taking a different approach, start

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Speaker 1: I mean, you obviously have been on the record on

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Speaker 4: You know, we do support the mandate, but we don't

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that divisive language is what's caused

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Speaker 4: Oh, look, I don't know whether it contributed to Sunday

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Speaker 3: Does he want it to be successful or not?

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Speaker 1: Okay, lell let's move along because we've spoken for a

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Speaker 4: Again, this comes down to transparency and bringing people on

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Speaker 4: And people start asking questions if government front footed things

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Speaker 1: Do you think those that it's going to delay the

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Speaker 4: I think that's anyone's guest, Katie, and I'm much like

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Speaker 4: It questions the whole validity of the process. Now the

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Speaker 1: Well, he's apparently revealed or he's apparently seed I think

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Speaker 2: Does that give you confidence?

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't hear him say that on radio this morning, Katie.

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Speaker 4: That's not the information I have. But you know, forty

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't give you confidence.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so at all.

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Speaker 4: In any event, why has it taken three days of

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Speaker 4: I mean for the Health Minister and the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Leah. Just finally this morning, obviously the Aboriginal Justice Agreement

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Speaker 1: that next budget.

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Speaker 2: For the next four years.

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Speaker 1: It does need bipartisan support, as I understand, Have you

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Speaker 1: signed that agreement or do you support it?

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Speaker 4: We do support the Aboriginal Justice Agreement and the government

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Speaker 4: and i'd like to congratulate Lean Little. She's done a

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Speaker 4: wonderful job and deserves the accolades that she's received this week.

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Speaker 4: You know, ultimately we were ready to sign that agreement,

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Speaker 4: we were meant to be out at Calcarinji. Then we

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Speaker 4: had the lockdown and so things have happened, you know,

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Speaker 4: But the governments certainly have not gone out of their

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Speaker 4: way to have some sort of bipartisan signing ceremony. If

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Speaker 4: the Chief Minister wants to sit next to me and

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Speaker 4: sign the Aboriginal Justice Agreement together, then Michael Gunner, if

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Speaker 4: you're listening, I'm looking forward to receiving your call this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: But does it need to be done like that with

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Speaker 1: can do independent.

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Speaker 4: People are looking for the symbolism going forward. I mean,

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Speaker 4: ultimately we saw them release it without the right budget allocation.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're talking about doing that this budget that

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Speaker 4: will remain to be seen and I've got absolutely no

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Speaker 4: confidence to take their word for what will or will

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Speaker 4: not be in the budget. And so we'll wait to

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Speaker 4: look forward to that. But they're just running around saying

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Speaker 4: the colp won't sign it, it's politically convenient for them.

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Speaker 4: I challenge the Labor government. Let's do a proper bipartisan

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Speaker 4: signing together. Michael Gunner sit next to me and will

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Speaker 4: sign it together.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you'd be prepared to go down that path.

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Speaker 1: See if it's a bipartisan thing, and you do it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, if it's truly bipartisan, let's do it together.

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Speaker 1: Lea for those some of those people out there listening

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Speaker 1: this morning, they might be thinking, what exactly is this

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Speaker 1: Original Justice Agreement and what's it going to mean to

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Speaker 1: our everyday lives? What would you say to those people listening?

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Speaker 4: So it's been a really comprehensive piece of work. There's

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Speaker 4: been mass consultation over a number of years. Essentially it's

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Speaker 4: looking at how do we reduce the incarceration of Aboriginal

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Speaker 4: people across the Northern Territory. One big issue, well, the

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Speaker 4: only issue I have with the Aboriginal Justice Agreement, Katie,

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Speaker 4: is the fact that it only mentions victims once and

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Speaker 4: it doesn't look to review. There's two pieces of legislation

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Speaker 4: that support victims and it excludes that from the Aboriginal

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Speaker 4: Justice Agreement. And so certainly, if I was to be

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Speaker 4: would be looking at strengthening the Aboriginal Justice Agreement by

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Speaker 4: putting the focus of victims back in there as well,

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Speaker 4: because of course we know that Aboriginal people are victimized

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Speaker 4: at hideous rates, particularly when it comes to domestic violence.

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Speaker 4: And so I can't understand why the Gunna government made

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Speaker 4: such a glaring omission in what is such an important document.

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Speaker 4: But that's something we would certainly fix if we were

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Speaker 4: elected in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: But despite that, you'd still be prepared to sign it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, all right.

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Speaker 2: Leaf and Occuiaro the opposition leader. We'll leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tak