1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily Art. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: the eighteenth of August. I'm Billy Fitzimon's I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: Traffic to porn Hub in the UK has dropped by 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: forty seven percent since new age verification. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Laws were enforced. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: It's all because of the UK's Online Safety Act, which 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: requires adult sites to check the age of. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: All UK users. So how are they doing that? 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: Today? We are going to break down what these new 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: laws involve and their immediate impact on online behavior. That 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: first quick message from our sponsor, Billy. Let's start with 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: these new figures about changes in online traffic in the UK. 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: What exactly has happened to Pornhub? 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean before we even get into that, we 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: Emma did have a conversation off Mike about whether or 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: not we actually need to explain what porn hub is. 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: I think most people would be familiar with it. If 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: you're not, It is the most popular pornography website in 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: the world. I actually looked it up and it is 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: in the top twenty most visited websites in the world. 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: Wow. 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: It's even above Netflix. 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: There you go. I was gonna say it's like YouTube 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: for porn, but maybe it's like Netflix for porn. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the reason why it's actually so 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: popular is because it's free, or there is a free 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: version of it. 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: Okay. 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: Now, the reason we are talking about it today is 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: because traffic to porn Hub in the UK dropped by 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: forty seven percent between the twenty fourth of July and 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: the eighth of August this year, So in less than 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: a month. That's according to data seen by the Financial 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Times in the UK. 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: So a nearly fifty percent reduction in the number of 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: people or the number of visits to n Hub in. 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: Just a couple of weeks. Yes, exactly. 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: Now, the reason for that is because of new age 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: verification requirements that have come into effect in the UK. 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: Billy, this is so fascinating to me because obviously in 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: Australia we have our own age verification conversations going on. 44 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: So tell me about the state of play in the UK. 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the new age verification requirements, they're all because 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: of a new law that came into effect in July 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: in the UK, which is called the Online Safety Act, 48 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: and that act requires all adult sites to check the 49 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: age of all UK users. So previously anyone was just 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: able to visit these sites regardless of your age. There 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: was kind of no checking system, just that anyone could 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: go there. But this piece of legislation put the onus 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: on the adult sites to ensure that only people above 54 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: eighteen are accessing and watching their material. And the purpose 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: of this, as I'm sure you can imagine, is to 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: protect young people from viewing any harmful content that could 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: be on these sides, and also making sure that they're 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: only accessing age appropriate content. 59 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can't watch sexually explicit material if you're 60 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: under eighteen in a movie. We have all kinds of 61 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: classifications around that type of content elsewhere in media exactly. 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: And this is all about making sure that there are 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: those checks and balances in place to make sure that 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: they can't view this material. 65 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: Now, this was actually. 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: Passed in the UK Parliament in twenty twenty three, okay, 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: but the age checking measures didn't come into effect until 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: July just passed. 69 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: Okay, So what does the age verification actually involve? How 70 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: does it work? Because again with such a conversation going 71 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: on here in Australia about how age verification would be 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: rolled out on social media. I think all of us 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: are really interested in this technology. 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the key question that everyone has. How 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: do you prove someone's age? 76 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: Yep? 77 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: And a key part of this is that you can 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: no longer just tick a box. So if the website 79 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: says are you eighteen, you can't just say yes, I 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: am and then proceed to the website. You actually have 81 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: to verify your age. And I think what's interesting is, 82 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: you know, obviously visiting a website isn't like going to 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: a bottle store where someone is physically looking at your 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: idea and they're looking at you. It's a very different process. 85 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: So what when you say verification that you have to 86 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: have your age verified in practice, what does that involve? 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: So Offcom, which is the UK's communications regulator and they 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: are the ones responsible for enforcing this law, they have 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: given seven different options for what websites could do to 90 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: ensure that they are checking the age. All right, I'll 91 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: go through them because I think they are so interesting. 92 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: The first one is facial age estimation. So this means 93 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: just your phone looking at you through a cam and 94 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: estimating how old they think you are based on that. 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: Wow. First of all, I mean part of me feels 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: like if I use that technology I would be offended. Yes, 97 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: it deemed me old enough. But what's the difference between 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: a seventeen year old face and an eighteen year old face? 99 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: Great question, and that is one that only technology could answer. 100 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: I don't quite have the answer, but yeah, obviously, you know, 101 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: I think we do have questions about that. 102 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: So what are some of the other options? 103 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: So another one is open banking, so that involves giving 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: permission for the websites to access information from your bank account, 105 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: which would be on your phone, and that would be 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: able to tell them whether or not you are over eighteen. 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: So giving porn harb your bank details exactly. 108 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: And another one which is quite similar to that, is 109 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: giving pornhub your credit card details, even if you're not 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: buying anything, because in the UK you need to be 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: over eighteen in order to have a credit card, so 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: if you give them those details, that means that you 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: are over eighteen. 114 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: So facial age estimation, these banking details, credit card age 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 3: checks not perfect options. Lots of privacy concerns probably around those. 116 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: So what else is on the list? 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: Other ones on the list is digital identity services. So 118 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: that's just like checking your digital IDs. 119 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: That are on your phone. 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: Or Another one which is similar to that is photo 121 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: ID matching, So that's where you would provide a photo 122 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: of your physical ID and also provide a photo of 123 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: your face and they'd be able to check that. Other 124 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: ones is email based age estimation. Now what I could 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: gather from this is that you provide your email address 126 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: and then they, using technology, will look at your banking 127 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: or your utility providers and be able to look at 128 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: that and again estimate your age based on that information. 129 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: This is wild. I had no idea that these were 130 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: the options, but there were so many ways to get 131 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 3: around age verification it's so interesting. 132 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: And then the last one is mobile network operator age checks. 133 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: Now that would involve checking if your mobile phone number 134 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: has age filters applied to it. 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: Okay, So does that mean that some under eighteen year 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: olds have certain restrictions on their phone coverage? 137 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Exactly? 138 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about porn Hub though. We know that 139 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: they've seen a significant dip in the number of clicks 140 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: and use on their website. So which age verification technology 141 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: are they using? 142 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, they are providing options, so they there are a 143 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: range of different options, which includes the ones that I've 144 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: just mentioned, so it's not just one of them. What 145 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: we do know is that they are now enforcing this 146 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: and they are asking all users in the UK to 147 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: now do one of those options. So it could be 148 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: uploading identity documents, or scanning your face with a camera, 149 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: or entering credit card details, any of them porn Harb 150 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: is using. 151 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Okay, because I guess for the over eighteen users, if 152 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: you are porn Harb, you probably want to provide enough 153 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: options that it will be easy or fast enough for 154 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: those users to get through the verification process, I would imagine, 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: but also maintaining rigorous enough channels to be adhering to 156 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: the law. 157 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting because I guess in the real world, 158 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: if you're forty, then the age verification rules don't really 159 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: apply to you. You don't actually really need to go 160 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: through those processes unless you are being checked for your 161 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: idea at the club, which is amazing for you. But 162 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: what's interesting about this is that it will impact every 163 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: single person. So you could be an eighty year old 164 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: person and you are still needing to prove your age 165 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: because of these laws. 166 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: Okay, now I want to talk a little bit more 167 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: about some of the privacy concerns we've touched on a 168 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: little bit. What are the specific issues that are being discussed. 169 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people do 170 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: have these privacy concerns. And what is actually interesting is 171 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: that Alo, which is porn Hub's parent company, they did 172 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,479 Speaker 2: raise a concern about privacy before these laws came into effect. 173 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: So back in twenty twenty three, which again is when 174 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: these laws first passed parliament in the UK, they put 175 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: out a statement that said, any regulations that require hundreds 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: of thousands of adult sites to collect significant amounts of 177 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: highly sensitive personal information is putting user safety in jeopardy. 178 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: Okay, and that's the statement from the company that owns 179 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: porn Hub. 180 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that was two years ago, so I presume now 181 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: they would be saying that all of the data is protected, 182 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: but that was one of their key concerns when this 183 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: legislation was first passed. Now, obviously it has now come 184 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: into effect, and I mentioned Offcom before, which is the 185 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: UK's communications regulator, and they have really assured users that 186 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: data protection is of course already regulated and enforced in 187 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: the UK, so this now isn't a new issue that 188 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: they're needing to deal with. 189 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: It is already regulated. 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: They also said that proving someone's age is not a 191 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: new thing, like I said before, so people obviously do 192 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: this all the time in the offline world, and they're 193 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: really encouraging people to just see it as the same 194 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: thing here. 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: All right, So we know where a low the pornhub 196 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: parent company was on this issue a few years ago. 197 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: Have we heard from them or any porn hub spokespeople 198 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: more recently. 199 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: Yes, porn Hub. A spokesperson for porn Hub did put 200 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 2: out a statement and they basically said that this significant 201 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: drop in traffic is the cost of compliance. 202 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: Was basically what they said. 203 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: Their direct quote is, we've seen in many jurisdictions around 204 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: the world there is often a drop in traffic for 205 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: compliance sites and an increase in traffic for non compliance sites. 206 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: So that was in a statement to the Financial Times. 207 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: I do think it's worth noting that in the UK VPNs, 208 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: which basically changes what country your computer thinks you're in, 209 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: they have drastically increased in traffic at the exact same 210 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: time that porn Hub's traffic has dropped. 211 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: Okay, so workarounds that people are negotiating. I think that's 212 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: a really interesting statement from porn Hub, this idea that 213 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: they are complying with the legislation, but that platforms or 214 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: websites that aren't complying will, at least in the short 215 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: term kind of benefit from a band like this. 216 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think, and that's for websites that are not 217 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: as big as porn Hub. Yeah, and so perhaps aren't 218 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: under as much pressure to comply. 219 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: This forty seven percent drop in traffic to Pornhub, though, 220 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: that is a pretty staggering figure. Do we know if 221 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: all of those users are underage users? 222 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. We don't know, but I think that 223 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: you can presume. No, it probably isn't all minors that 224 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: now make up that forty seven percent. So many people 225 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: are saying that this drop suggests that a lot of 226 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: users just aren't willing to go through the age verification process. 227 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: Either it's just too much time, too much effort, or 228 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: they could also be concerned. 229 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: About their privacy, like we talked about before. 230 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so interesting, Billy, and I wonder if the 231 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: raft of age verification options are something that we'll see 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: rolled out here in Australia. There's been a little bit 233 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: of contention around what technology will be the best technology 234 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: to enforce our social media ban. 235 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: Yes, so for anyone who missed it or who wants 236 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: a reminder. In Australia last year we introduced this social 237 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: media ban. It passed parliament last year, but it comes 238 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: into effect at the end of this year. What's interesting 239 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: is so that's for under sixteens, that's for social media sites, 240 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: that's not for porn sites, and so it is a 241 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: little bit different, but is similar between these two pieces 242 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: of legislation is that the onus is on the companies. Yeah, 243 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: now we don't yet know how the companies will enforce 244 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: these age verifications. So I mentioned the measures that are 245 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: happening in the UK, but we don't know if that 246 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: will be the exact same in Australia. 247 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: There are age verification trials that are ongoing at the 248 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: moment to figure that out. But there were some reports 249 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: a couple of months ago about flaws in some of 250 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: the technologies that were being trialed. I remember an ABC 251 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: report that had found some technologies had gotten the ages 252 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 3: wrong of users, that teenage users were passing as twenty 253 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: five year olds. So clearly it's not perfect. But this 254 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: is an evolving technology and a space that is going 255 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: to see a lot of investment and interest in the future. 256 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: It's clear that there is a lot of movement in 257 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: this area of trying to protect young people from potentially 258 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: harmful content online. 259 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Billy, thank you so much. Thank for bringing us 260 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: such an interesting story and unpacking it in such a 261 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: fascinating way. That's all for today's deep Dive. Thank you 262 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: so much for listening. 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