WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - RAYMOND

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week. They're welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload. I want to thank you for clicking and downloading.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode with Raymond, the fourth placed contestant from

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<v Speaker 1>this year's Australian Survivor, which is now on Network ten,

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<v Speaker 1>I will be talking about Raymond's time in Samoa and

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<v Speaker 1>of course what he thinks now that the smoke has

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<v Speaker 1>well and truly been snuffed out on his torch. Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Survivor Titans Versus Rebels has been a showdown that pits

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<v Speaker 1>the winners against the underdogs and the big wigs against

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<v Speaker 1>the battlers, with each player competing for the grand prize

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<v Speaker 1>of half a million dollars. Raymond is from New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 1>generally perceived as a kooky odd ball who sided loyally

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<v Speaker 1>with his ally Ferris. Raymond spent most of the game

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<v Speaker 1>lacking in agency until he noticeably flipped on his allies,

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<v Speaker 1>blindsiding Jaden, before notoriously orchestrating Valeria's blindside two at the

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<v Speaker 1>final nine by weaponizing his ultimate vote advantage. Pretty impressive stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite his high profile moves, Raymond was able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>his target pretty low until that final four, where his

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<v Speaker 1>alliance to Ferris made him an unappealing person for the

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<v Speaker 1>Titans to keep stringing along. On day forty five, he

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<v Speaker 1>was eliminated in the second fire making tiebreaker that we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen in Austraine Survivor history. We will unpack that

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<v Speaker 1>advantage twist, from how Raymond pulled it off to who's

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<v Speaker 1>still pissed off and if this could be the start

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<v Speaker 1>of a career in acting. Raymond will talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>and when his alliance with Ferris started and if Ferris

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<v Speaker 1>had looped him in on the bogus top three deals

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd made with Mark and Caroline. I will ask

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<v Speaker 1>about why he went so hard for that popcorn and

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<v Speaker 1>get his POV on other castaways calling him weird. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>we will find out about the rumors that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a Titan and then was flipped to

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<v Speaker 1>being a rebel and why he decided to sport that

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<v Speaker 1>peroxided hair. There's actually so much to unpack with Raymond,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been pretty throughout the season that I've

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed his time. So guys, sit back and relax

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<v Speaker 1>as we dive just that little bit deeper into the

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<v Speaker 1>world of Australian Survivor. My friend, I'm so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Do you know what's really funny is

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<v Speaker 1>that I was at a screening, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>those fan screenings of the series early on, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to your executive producer, and you came over

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<v Speaker 1>and spoke to him for a second and then walked away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't recognize you because your hair was different,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you as you changed as you walked away,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard him say, oh, yeah, that's Raymond. Raymond's so lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was like Raymond, and then like I

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<v Speaker 1>watched as you went down the stairs, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's much more handsome in real life than he is

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<v Speaker 1>on the television.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Ben. I think that's that's quite the compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>How the hell did Ferris manage to convince Mark and

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline not to vote for him?

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<v Speaker 2>My whole thing going forward, like, I love Ferris, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I want to go as far with him

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, because I mean, the only thing that's better

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<v Speaker 2>than your self winning is someone that really close to winning.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was trying to go as far as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always thought that the further I got with him,

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<v Speaker 2>the more that they would target him over me, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I would have a chance, like more of a

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<v Speaker 2>chance going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't happen, Like do those people not want

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<v Speaker 1>the money?

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<v Speaker 2>Like maybe some of them? Maybe that's again it baffles me.

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<v Speaker 2>But in a series like Tians Versus Rebels, where there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things that like no one knows what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on for most of the time, anyway, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very fitting conclusion to my game.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would have been harder to beat in the final jury?

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<v Speaker 1>If you and Faris were going head to head, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you both had made it there, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you would have gone with the jury against Ferris?

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<v Speaker 2>I think even though the show makes me look like

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<v Speaker 2>we goes and there's no way that I'm winning against

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<v Speaker 2>first the end, I still think that I have like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe three or two votes, which is more than I

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<v Speaker 2>think the average person would expect of someone like me

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<v Speaker 2>going into it. So it's about getting a read on

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<v Speaker 2>every single individual Personnelt there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of have this feeling though, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was saying this to Kirby yesterday, when Kirby

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the competition, I've been sort of leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a Kirby Ferris finale that I was picturing in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. And then when I didn't get that, I

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<v Speaker 1>said to Kirby yesterday, I just felt like I threw

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<v Speaker 1>the toys out of the pram and then I became

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<v Speaker 1>desperate for you to win. I was like, now Raymond

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<v Speaker 1>needs to win, O care Less or either of anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Just well again with the edit that, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>although there might be some people upset, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>this final three going forward, with how much Mark, Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>and Ferris have been edited, as like the personalities and

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<v Speaker 2>the going for the throats of sort of people that

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<v Speaker 2>they are, it should be a very enticing episode to

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<v Speaker 2>end off the series with. Again, the end of it

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<v Speaker 2>is Mark versus Carolina, Ferris versus Kirby, and Raymond just

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<v Speaker 2>randomly being there doing whatever he is doing off camera.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going to be probably an exciting finale.

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<v Speaker 1>You doing for the finale? I didn't have this question

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<v Speaker 1>on my bingo card, but where will you be watching?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a finale.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be watching it with my best friend

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<v Speaker 2>out there. I'm going to be watching it with feris

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are coming to the thing. Garrick's

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<v Speaker 2>even coming up, Kelly's going to be there, And although

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<v Speaker 2>the finale is very exciting, I think rewatching the Garrick

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly dynamic playouts like it did on the Island is

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<v Speaker 2>probably a little bit more entiting to me, especially post game.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, that's exciting. Kirby's coming up for three

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<v Speaker 2>reas coming up for it. I'm really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>seeing all of them, and how exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, good luck with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say I was really drawn to you

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, and you know, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people I watched the show with felt exactly the same,

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<v Speaker 1>Like from the second that I saw you turn up

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<v Speaker 1>on the beach of Samoa, even though you were sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a smaller player to start with, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know why, but I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were really unusual, and I love unusual people

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<v Speaker 1>if that's genuine humanly who they are. Is it interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that, you know, you could make such a

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<v Speaker 1>big impact on people watching this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the core demographic of Survivor is usually

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<v Speaker 2>forty to sixty year old, So I think that if

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<v Speaker 2>someone that's my age is watching the show, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit left of sense or anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be sort of a lot of Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that's making fun of the average person watching their silk

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<v Speaker 2>calling thems, But no, I am a bit cooky again,

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<v Speaker 2>to be like I think, to be as much of

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<v Speaker 2>a Survivor fan as the average person probably watching this is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to somewhat get me. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit weird. I don't think that I am

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<v Speaker 2>the average person that you'd mind not seeing on reality

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<v Speaker 2>TV and following a series like Euros Versus Villains that

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<v Speaker 2>has so many fans, sorry to follow, there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>fans of Survivor that are my age, and to be

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<v Speaker 2>the person that is able to represent them, or to

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<v Speaker 2>be the one that is pitched out of that large

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<v Speaker 2>group of amazing people to actually be on the show

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<v Speaker 2>is a very humbling experience to begin with. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a bit weird. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>think I diverted down a different topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, because I mean you're kind of leading me to

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to ask you anyway, Because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been chatting to everyone who's left the show each

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<v Speaker 1>week and been really enjoying that. But early on there

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<v Speaker 1>was a few castaways who talked about you being a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit weird, and they said that you would often

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<v Speaker 1>be laughing or cackling to yourself, giving them sort of

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<v Speaker 1>joker vibes, And I just wondered whether or not that's

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<v Speaker 1>just who you are as a person, or whether you

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to unsettle people in a way. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say about the sort of evil joker

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<v Speaker 1>vibes that you were giving off to those people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was a bit weird. I mean, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>out there, you're out there for so long, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>through hell, You're going through all these things and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>where a lot of people delve into other internal things

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on or think about. My usual go to

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<v Speaker 2>is like ironic humor and stuff like that. So the

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<v Speaker 2>whole surrealism about yeah, the whole surrealism about someone like

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<v Speaker 2>me being out there playing something like that and going

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<v Speaker 2>through these things, it was it's almost as if the

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<v Speaker 2>moment that you start taking seriously is the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>all of it disappears, because what are the chances that

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<v Speaker 2>someone like me winds up being out there so like

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<v Speaker 2>I was going into it sort of viewing it as

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<v Speaker 2>a joke, even though it's probably the most amazing thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you very conscious for certain things, because like even

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<v Speaker 1>your hair choice, the peroxided or the I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>call it what it is, the cheap peroxided white hair

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<v Speaker 1>for a choice to make. Is that something quite deliberate

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<v Speaker 1>or was that just how your hair looked when you

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<v Speaker 1>were going in.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of had I think maybe dyet hair when

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<v Speaker 2>I was to my interview, and then to hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm the one that's answering the questions in

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<v Speaker 2>the interview. So then to be told, hey, you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to be on the show and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a rebel, I'm like, Okay, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know how I am really much of a rebel. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense looking at post game. I'm the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>person that's willing to make decisions like to pull that

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<v Speaker 2>stupid advantage move that I did. But at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, why would these people think I'm a rebel? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's because I have yellow hair, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>went fully in with the yellow hair the day before

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<v Speaker 2>going out there, so that was my line of reason

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of the other castaways also confirmed that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you were swapped over from being a Titan to a

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<v Speaker 1>rebel at some point. Can you add anything to that

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about whether there was a chance that you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on the opposing team.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the very beginning, I made this joke, and

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<v Speaker 2>the joke was, as they said, so, why you're a rebel?

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<v Speaker 2>And I knew that they'd ask something like that. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot that you don't see out there regarding the questioning.

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<v Speaker 2>All the tribal councils go for like sixty minutes. Jailp's

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<v Speaker 2>line of question goes for a lot longer than what's

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<v Speaker 2>turn out there. And I knew that they'd be like, so, Raymond,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you a rebel? And I had this line

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<v Speaker 2>in my head right ago. Actually I was picked to

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<v Speaker 2>go on the time this tribe and I said no,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, how rebellious. We're going to stick you

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<v Speaker 2>here on the rebels tribe. But like I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>spliced it sort of together and they made it look

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<v Speaker 2>like it like I knew what I was doing, but

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<v Speaker 2>I fumbled the back instantly, and the idea that someone

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<v Speaker 2>like me, someone that's been homeless, someone that works basically

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<v Speaker 2>minimum wage jobs in customer service, would ever be considered

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<v Speaker 2>as a Titan is one of the funniest things to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought it was like an instant joke. But

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<v Speaker 2>then people were like, you pinxerious.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, they believed it, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I've had.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way that someone like me would ever be

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<v Speaker 2>considered a Titan. I have like, yeah, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember who it is now, but someone I

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<v Speaker 1>think it might have been the first chat. It might

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<v Speaker 1>have even been Frankie, but someone was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>should have been on the other side. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>last minute, I believe that Raymond stole my position and

0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.960
<v Speaker 1>they quickly swapped him in, which meant that I had

0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.319
<v Speaker 1>to swap out. But this is a perfect example of

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<v Speaker 1>how little contestants actually know about what's going on. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can blag everyone this hard and get away.

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<v Speaker 2>With it, possibly again, the idea that someone would ever

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<v Speaker 2>consider me a Titan is ludicrous to me. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>now post being able to get on a true like

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Survivor, and maybe some people might have this lase

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<v Speaker 2>of the idea that maybe I could be considered, But nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm literally like a nobody. I'm literally nothing. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>nothing going for me. I feel like most courses I

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<v Speaker 2>try it tape or even so the idea that someone

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<v Speaker 2>actually that is ludicrous today, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You're definitely not that, because I feel like you're You're

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<v Speaker 1>now in my list of You're in my Survivor dream

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<v Speaker 1>team forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you and George want to be there every year,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd watch you guys on there every year. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's a few others even.

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<v Speaker 2>Put in the same sentence as George as a real honor.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know you quickly went hard for that popcorn

0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and that auction, did you, being like a really big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of the show, just suspect that there would be

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<v Speaker 1>a clure and advantage in there, and that's why you

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<v Speaker 1>went so hard for it.

0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.760
<v Speaker 2>The thing that you're gonna realize about, I mean, there

0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't much of a train out there, but my game

0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.840
<v Speaker 2>of Survivor is lathered with a lot of irony. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pros and cons between anything one. The

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<v Speaker 2>auction could stop at any time. I am a massive

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<v Speaker 2>fan of popcorn. I actually lived on popcorn for about

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<v Speaker 2>four months while I was working Perish of Blue because

0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.319
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't afford anything else. I'm the biggest fan of popcorn,

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<v Speaker 2>so that tops with the idea that the oction can

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<v Speaker 2>end at any time, and I think that's something that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's going to probably be going for, even though I

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<v Speaker 2>had to put four hundred dollars up for it. Is

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<v Speaker 2>another reason. The fact that you're sitting there watching a

0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>live Survivor auction while being able to eat popcorn is

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<v Speaker 2>another thing. And I mean there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a chance that you're going to get an idle, but sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>not an idol or a clue or.

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<v Speaker 1>An advantage or a clue or whatever you got.

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<v Speaker 2>Or an advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Elene even said that to me. Elene said she suspected

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<v Speaker 1>there was something in the popcorn, but you were in

0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.280
<v Speaker 1>her alliance, so she let you have it. She was like, oh, well,

0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Raymond's in my alliance, so he can he can take that,

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<v Speaker 1>because he'll probably bring that advantage twist to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if that was to happen. So she foreshadowed that where

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<v Speaker 1>for you it was actually just your love of popcorn,

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<v Speaker 1>which now goes on my little chalkboard of Raymond just

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<v Speaker 1>being kooky as fuck and bring it off.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got this microwave popcorn thing where you're like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a massive fan of popcorn. But I think that me

0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.800
<v Speaker 2>being a fan of popcorn is an understatement, and again,

0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the average person might not understand their love for something

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<v Speaker 2>that's just as blase as that. But every single message

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<v Speaker 2>that I got from family was I could tell that

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<v Speaker 2>you were going to be the one that was talking

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<v Speaker 2>off that popcorn. It's just another I bet you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have paid four hundred dollars for popcorn back in the

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<v Speaker 2>day when you were living off it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would have been ninety nine cents a bag.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have Still, four hundred bucks is about the

0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.880
<v Speaker 2>amount that you pay at the cinema for it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I still think that was getting it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Take Eden to task over that. I'm sure he'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us about cinema popcorn price and after pulling off

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<v Speaker 1>the advantage. People have been saying that you would be

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic actor. Is there any thoughts on making a

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<v Speaker 1>career change. Could we see you as the new Heath Ledger.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's an offering there for you. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you your audition has landed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the ironic thing out of all of it is, again,

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<v Speaker 2>I walked into the game of Survivor because I was

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<v Speaker 2>a massive fan of the show, and I think a

0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of people walked into the game thinking that this

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<v Speaker 2>was the chance to demonstrate who they are as a

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<v Speaker 2>person on national TV. So I think it's ironic that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the one that was able to do stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm overly a good actor. I sort

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe know myself. I did look into a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of body language while going out there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the reason that something like that could actually

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<v Speaker 2>be pulled off is the sheer idea that someone's willing

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<v Speaker 2>to not eat basically for three days or drink that

0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>much more at order for three days. It's to pull

0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.520
<v Speaker 2>something that has it was commitment to the task. On

0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 2>top of it, the idea that it's so much to

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<v Speaker 2>lose doing something like that. No one would even probably

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<v Speaker 2>even can think that I was trying to pull something

0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.520
<v Speaker 2>like that off, because there's like a honestly probably like

0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.120
<v Speaker 2>a five percent chance that you're able to pull something

0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like that off. Trying to get every single number on you,

0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.320
<v Speaker 2>someone not flipping, someone promising that they'd never write down

0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>your name. So that's just a reason that they like, no,

0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it. And it's just so many things

0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.280
<v Speaker 2>that you have to balance with something like that, And realistically,

0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.040
<v Speaker 2>again it's the wagh the pros and the cons of

0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.040
<v Speaker 2>something like the popcorn on one hand, on the good side,

0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.320
<v Speaker 2>if the thing doesn't work, then you're going home. You're

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<v Speaker 2>eating a cheeseburger. You tried something. You're not leaving the

0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.280
<v Speaker 2>game with like a like a whimper. You're trying something,

0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and it is such a dumb move that no one

0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.280
<v Speaker 2>would ever expect to work, that you might even be

0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.360
<v Speaker 2>brought back for an All Star season saying, oh, this

0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.080
<v Speaker 2>guy made the dumbest move of all the time I

0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.680
<v Speaker 2>go into an All Star season with no target on

0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:34.080
<v Speaker 2>my back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably the most significant, most memorable moment

0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of the entire series, like so iconic, it's so crazy.

0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.240
<v Speaker 1>But I want to take you to task on something

0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I really want to know. I've been waiting for this

0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:48.960
<v Speaker 1>chat with you. I kind of hoped you'd win and

0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.440
<v Speaker 1>we talk about this on a winner's chat. But it's okay.

0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you go harder for someone else? I think

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<v Speaker 1>what would have been like a really Raymond idea, And

0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.960
<v Speaker 1>how ridiculous of me to talk to you and use

0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it as a Raymond anyway it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is you mean to take out another player?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I vow to me, wasn't the right one. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have loved it if you just all of a

0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.040
<v Speaker 1>sudden took out Ferris or Kirby at that point, like

0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a real batman villain move, a real boss man moved

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<v Speaker 1>to do on a show like this, I think would

0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.320
<v Speaker 1>have sent you into an atmosphere or whatever that word

0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.000
<v Speaker 1>is that would have had you being talked about around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Do you know what I mean?

0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Be hindsight, I don't think that I could ever get

0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.840
<v Speaker 2>rid of vivor of those two genuinely at that point

0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.720
<v Speaker 2>in the game. I like, when I was doing it,

0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think that I was going to be able

0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to pull it off. And then when you do pull

0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 2>it off, there's the split second like I had a

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.120
<v Speaker 2>like I thought about everything while lying there in the

0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.240
<v Speaker 2>dirt for the three days. But number one, it would

0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>have been astronomical if I'd done it. But if you

0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.920
<v Speaker 2>get rid of Kirby, then everyone perceives it as a

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.680
<v Speaker 2>sneaky move. Kirby is a like. Everyone loves Kirby, they

0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.680
<v Speaker 2>adore her, and she's such a such an amazing person,

0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and for someone like her to go in the most

0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.680
<v Speaker 2>sneaky move of all time would look good.

0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you would have got chops for that. I

0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.760
<v Speaker 1>reckon that's a resume move. That would have shot No, No,

0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:06.960
<v Speaker 1>you didn't think so.

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I can promise you. It's all about dury management.

0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.040
<v Speaker 2>The people weren't overly happy with Hilaria Valaria was able

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<v Speaker 2>to just tear people in new asshole in tribal councils

0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.679
<v Speaker 2>and her winning the sixty thousand dollars and made a

0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are a lot probably a little

0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.359
<v Speaker 2>bit less worse off than her feel very angry about that.

0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.120
<v Speaker 2>And Kirby has a way with words. You can see

0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.360
<v Speaker 2>how easy she's being able to flip people like that

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.119
<v Speaker 2>on a dime. So if I'm singing at the end

0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 2>with Kirby is on the last tribal council, she would

0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.320
<v Speaker 2>have a power over the jury to make these people

0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.920
<v Speaker 2>even sway it. And on top of it, she's if

0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.359
<v Speaker 2>you're getting to the very end with Kirby were not

0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the end. But if you're going forward with Kirby, I

0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>got rid of Jason the last vote, and Jaden was

0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot with Kirby, her and re Re. We was

0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.359
<v Speaker 2>so close and you don't sit in the addit. But

0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 2>there's only two people in the at that point that

0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.119
<v Speaker 2>are bringing Kirby to the very end because she's not

0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.080
<v Speaker 2>winning that last insurance challenge, and that's Jayden can end rearly.

0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.600
<v Speaker 2>If you get rid of Jaydon, then the only person

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.120
<v Speaker 2>that can bring Kirby to the end of the game

0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.520
<v Speaker 2>so she can win is re Read. And at that

0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.240
<v Speaker 2>point when I got rid of Jen, I didn't want

0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Alex or Mark using that idol because if I was

0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.679
<v Speaker 2>flipping my alliance something that I had like a pretty

0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.440
<v Speaker 2>sure fire way down to the final five or six

0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.959
<v Speaker 2>two in that point, if I'm flipping on these people,

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I want there to be reassurance that I have a

0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.600
<v Speaker 2>safety net or something going forward that can get out

0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of the player, especially at that point since Alice is

0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.520
<v Speaker 2>a challenge beast, and if you can make Alex believe

0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that he played a good game, then he would probably

0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.240
<v Speaker 2>be willing to pull someone like me to the very end.

0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Where I can win against him, but it shows me

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:48.040
<v Speaker 2>wanting to flash Alex's idol. But the fact that I said,

0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I will tell you who the votes are going for,

0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.399
<v Speaker 2>and I will vote for you to get out Jayden,

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.720
<v Speaker 2>which really did need to happen, is because he's a

0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.840
<v Speaker 2>challenge beast. That guy is so strong and so charismatic

0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and funny. But the fact that they went against my

0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.600
<v Speaker 2>way when I was putting everything on the line is

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 2>another reason why I was like, well, screw this, I'm

0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.879
<v Speaker 2>going to pull my move because I felt like to

0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.600
<v Speaker 2>by market and get out Hilaria with being the one

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.679
<v Speaker 2>that I get out. There's just so many reasons for

0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 2>why everything happens out there, and again to Survivor, and

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.159
<v Speaker 2>you only see the surface level thing, but there's like

0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.600
<v Speaker 2>four levels of every decision that's being made out there,

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.240
<v Speaker 2>whether it would be working out who's on the jury

0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.719
<v Speaker 2>that's going to vote for you, dury management, how you

0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.080
<v Speaker 2>get to the end, just everything. That's what Survivor is.

0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.520
<v Speaker 2>It's the most mentally taxing game that anyone can ever play.

0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 2>And for me to never be able to play something

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like that again, or like not be able to play

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.600
<v Speaker 2>it in day to day life really annoys me because

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.880
<v Speaker 2>how else am I going to be mentally fulfilled? Now

0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:45.720
<v Speaker 2>for experiencing something like that.

0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've always been told, you know, when it comes

0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to a show like this, there's if you think that

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.119
<v Speaker 1>there's about five storylines being told, there's usually two that

0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.479
<v Speaker 1>are being aired. You know, So like the ratio of

0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.520
<v Speaker 1>what storylines are happening for you inside your own mind

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 1>versus what the viewers are saying, it diluted very quickly.

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I have such a short window with you, so I'm

0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 1>going to ask you three questions. We're going to try

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and get out really quickly.

0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I've been wasting all this time on my

0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:09.760
<v Speaker 2>thought patterns behind it?

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And I was here for it because

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that is such a big part of your game. So

0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I really do appreciate it. But I'm going to smash

0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.400
<v Speaker 1>these ones down. Did Ferris tell you about his bogus

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Final three deal? Did he loop you in on the

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>fact that he'd made these two other Final three deals

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.240
<v Speaker 1>with Caroline and Mark?

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.240
<v Speaker 2>I was lifted in into what Ferris was doing from

0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the date to every single decision that he made, and

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I was in on that. But also when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to a final four. And I'll say this quickly. When

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<v Speaker 2>you get to a final full position, the cards have

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<v Speaker 2>all been laid out. The only thing that makes a

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<v Speaker 2>difference is winning that last immunity challenge, which Mark did.

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<v Speaker 2>So from there the decisions have already been made somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason, March picks to get rid of me

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<v Speaker 2>over Ferris. Caroline wouldn't have had much of us, say,

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<v Speaker 2>because if she had wanted her way, then it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been her probably going home in a three something.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was doing whatever Mark was doing any and

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<v Speaker 2>Ferris was. I was getting whipped in on whatever Ferris

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<v Speaker 2>was doing anyway. And I think that Mark was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make Ferris look dishonest in that last tribal council,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone was seeing through. And I wish they'd trained

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<v Speaker 2>me tearing him and you ass or during that last challenge, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be good. I did hear about that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would have liked to have seen it. What would you

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<v Speaker 1>have done if Ferris did write your name down? Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we loved the fact that he didn't, and he, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>showed both the others that he was not a man

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<v Speaker 1>of his word, but he was a man of his

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<v Speaker 1>word to you, which we all loved. You know, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you have done if Ferris had written your name down?

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<v Speaker 2>At that point it was never happening. But if it

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<v Speaker 2>did happen, then I would not have been impressed going

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<v Speaker 2>on to the jury, And yeah, I wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>happy going on to jury, and that it wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>happened anyway, And it is dury management and Mark was

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<v Speaker 2>really trying to get it to happen where Ferris for

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<v Speaker 2>don my name so I would feel the traylead. But

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<v Speaker 2>like I saw through it instantly. Everyone on the jury

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<v Speaker 2>was seeing through what he was doing. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>just doing like a stance, trying to actually make some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing that makes him record nice by the jury,

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<v Speaker 2>because like he was getting like Curby and First who

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<v Speaker 2>were running rings around him the whole merge phase of

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<v Speaker 2>that game.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was not so forgiving of you with your advantage

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<v Speaker 1>twist by the way, when you went back to the

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<v Speaker 1>jury and a lot of people have said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that you had a mental health issue, but then

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<v Speaker 1>turning out that you were lying. Even you you said

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<v Speaker 1>said you guys are going to be so mad at me?

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<v Speaker 1>Is was there anyone still holding a grudge. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that hadn't let to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Valeria, But it's really hard to get a reed

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<v Speaker 2>on Valeria just because of her how she omits herself

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<v Speaker 2>as a person. She isn't a very emotional person. She

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like to I think let a lot of her

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<v Speaker 2>emotions be shown, so it's hard to tell. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>had to tell really much of Hilaria, I think in general.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think on a series like Titans Versus Rebels,

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<v Speaker 2>with a series that has twelve recruits and twelve fans,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the fans making jury, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're all appreciative that it was just going to make

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<v Speaker 2>for a TV because a lot of us were out

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<v Speaker 2>out there because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well I think a lot of people, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>the good television. So Yesterda ask Kirby, who's got the

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<v Speaker 1>order of the best resume? So the final three people?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just give me the names in order? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not a rationale for it, but who in order has

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<v Speaker 1>the best resume for you? Out of Caroline, Mark and Ferris.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, Ferris is number one as someone that watched the

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<v Speaker 2>game and knows all about the relationships that every single

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<v Speaker 2>person has out there, It'd be hard for me to

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<v Speaker 2>say who I think has the best retire without giving

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<v Speaker 2>too much awak going into the finale, are going into

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<v Speaker 2>people like thinking, you're going off the perception of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>can win. So if I'm standing here saying this person

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<v Speaker 2>does not have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Chance, words of a game show host, I'll take that

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<v Speaker 1>answer and move on to the next one. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to miss that in the Game of Survivor

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<v Speaker 1>question which everyone else has answered. So I'm sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is something from behind the scenes, something that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get a chance to see, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes secret for your time in Australian Survivor

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<v Speaker 1>Titans versus.

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<v Speaker 2>Rebels, Well number one, there was a lot more that

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't see regarding Nathan's jacket that Carolina Valry were

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<v Speaker 2>fighting over on Okay, that's rather fighting for a jacket

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<v Speaker 2>for the whole game and it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, take good Raymond. I'll chat to you another time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pleasure talking to you. I hopefully you like

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<v Speaker 2>this series. Thank you very much.