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Speaker 1: On today's episode with Raymond, the fourth placed contestant from
Speaker 1: this year's Australian Survivor, which is now on Network ten,
Speaker 1: I will be talking about Raymond's time in Samoa and
Speaker 1: of course what he thinks now that the smoke has
Speaker 1: well and truly been snuffed out on his torch. Australian
Speaker 1: Survivor Titans Versus Rebels has been a showdown that pits
Speaker 1: the winners against the underdogs and the big wigs against
Speaker 1: the battlers, with each player competing for the grand prize
Speaker 1: of half a million dollars. Raymond is from New South Wales,
Speaker 1: generally perceived as a kooky odd ball who sided loyally
Speaker 1: with his ally Ferris. Raymond spent most of the game
Speaker 1: lacking in agency until he noticeably flipped on his allies,
Speaker 1: blindsiding Jaden, before notoriously orchestrating Valeria's blindside two at the
Speaker 1: final nine by weaponizing his ultimate vote advantage. Pretty impressive stuff.
Speaker 1: Despite his high profile moves, Raymond was able to keep
Speaker 1: his target pretty low until that final four, where his
Speaker 1: alliance to Ferris made him an unappealing person for the
Speaker 1: Titans to keep stringing along. On day forty five, he
Speaker 1: was eliminated in the second fire making tiebreaker that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen in Austraine Survivor history. We will unpack that
Speaker 1: advantage twist, from how Raymond pulled it off to who's
Speaker 1: still pissed off and if this could be the start
Speaker 1: of a career in acting. Raymond will talk about how
Speaker 1: and when his alliance with Ferris started and if Ferris
Speaker 1: had looped him in on the bogus top three deals
Speaker 1: that he'd made with Mark and Caroline. I will ask
Speaker 1: about why he went so hard for that popcorn and
Speaker 1: get his POV on other castaways calling him weird. Plus,
Speaker 1: we will find out about the rumors that he was
Speaker 1: going to be a Titan and then was flipped to
Speaker 1: being a rebel and why he decided to sport that
Speaker 1: peroxided hair. There's actually so much to unpack with Raymond,
Speaker 1: and I have been pretty throughout the season that I've
Speaker 1: really enjoyed his time. So guys, sit back and relax
Speaker 1: as we dive just that little bit deeper into the
Speaker 1: world of Australian Survivor. My friend, I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Do you know what's really funny is
Speaker 1: that I was at a screening, you know, one of
Speaker 1: those fan screenings of the series early on, and I
Speaker 1: was talking to your executive producer, and you came over
Speaker 1: and spoke to him for a second and then walked away,
Speaker 1: and I didn't recognize you because your hair was different,
Speaker 1: and as you as you changed as you walked away,
Speaker 1: I heard him say, oh, yeah, that's Raymond. Raymond's so lovely.
Speaker 1: And then I was like Raymond, and then like I
Speaker 1: watched as you went down the stairs, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: he's much more handsome in real life than he is
Speaker 1: on the television.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben. I think that's that's quite the compliment.
Speaker 1: How the hell did Ferris manage to convince Mark and
Speaker 1: Caroline not to vote for him?
Speaker 2: My whole thing going forward, like, I love Ferris, and
Speaker 2: I mean I want to go as far with him
Speaker 2: as possible, because I mean, the only thing that's better
Speaker 2: than your self winning is someone that really close to winning.
Speaker 2: And so I was trying to go as far as possible.
Speaker 2: But I always thought that the further I got with him,
Speaker 2: the more that they would target him over me, and
Speaker 2: then I would have a chance, like more of a
Speaker 2: chance going forward.
Speaker 1: But it didn't happen, Like do those people not want
Speaker 1: the money?
Speaker 2: Like maybe some of them? Maybe that's again it baffles me.
Speaker 2: But in a series like Tians Versus Rebels, where there's
Speaker 2: so many things that like no one knows what's going
Speaker 2: on for most of the time, anyway, I think it's
Speaker 2: a very fitting conclusion to my game.
Speaker 1: Who would have been harder to beat in the final jury?
Speaker 1: If you and Faris were going head to head, Like
Speaker 1: if you both had made it there, how do you
Speaker 1: think you would have gone with the jury against Ferris?
Speaker 2: I think even though the show makes me look like
Speaker 2: we goes and there's no way that I'm winning against
Speaker 2: first the end, I still think that I have like
Speaker 2: maybe three or two votes, which is more than I
Speaker 2: think the average person would expect of someone like me
Speaker 2: going into it. So it's about getting a read on
Speaker 2: every single individual Personnelt there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of have this feeling though, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was saying this to Kirby yesterday, when Kirby
Speaker 1: came out of the competition, I've been sort of leading
Speaker 1: to a Kirby Ferris finale that I was picturing in
Speaker 1: my mind. And then when I didn't get that, I
Speaker 1: said to Kirby yesterday, I just felt like I threw
Speaker 1: the toys out of the pram and then I became
Speaker 1: desperate for you to win. I was like, now Raymond
Speaker 1: needs to win, O care Less or either of anyone.
Speaker 2: Just well again with the edit that, I think that
Speaker 2: although there might be some people upset, I think that
Speaker 2: this final three going forward, with how much Mark, Caroline
Speaker 2: and Ferris have been edited, as like the personalities and
Speaker 2: the going for the throats of sort of people that
Speaker 2: they are, it should be a very enticing episode to
Speaker 2: end off the series with. Again, the end of it
Speaker 2: is Mark versus Carolina, Ferris versus Kirby, and Raymond just
Speaker 2: randomly being there doing whatever he is doing off camera.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be probably an exciting finale.
Speaker 1: You doing for the finale? I didn't have this question
Speaker 1: on my bingo card, but where will you be watching?
Speaker 1: I have a finale.
Speaker 2: I have to be watching it with my best friend
Speaker 2: out there. I'm going to be watching it with feris
Speaker 2: a lot of people are coming to the thing. Garrick's
Speaker 2: even coming up, Kelly's going to be there, And although
Speaker 2: the finale is very exciting, I think rewatching the Garrick
Speaker 2: Kelly dynamic playouts like it did on the Island is
Speaker 2: probably a little bit more entiting to me, especially post game.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's exciting. Kirby's coming up for three
Speaker 2: reas coming up for it. I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 2: seeing all of them, and how exciting.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, good luck with that one.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I have to say I was really drawn to you
Speaker 1: on this show, and you know, a lot of the
Speaker 1: people I watched the show with felt exactly the same,
Speaker 1: Like from the second that I saw you turn up
Speaker 1: on the beach of Samoa, even though you were sort
Speaker 1: of a smaller player to start with, I was like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know why, but I kind of
Speaker 1: thought you were really unusual, and I love unusual people
Speaker 1: if that's genuine humanly who they are. Is it interesting
Speaker 1: to hear that, you know, you could make such a
Speaker 1: big impact on people watching this show.
Speaker 2: I think that the core demographic of Survivor is usually
Speaker 2: forty to sixty year old, So I think that if
Speaker 2: someone that's my age is watching the show, they're going
Speaker 2: to be a little bit left of sense or anyway,
Speaker 2: they're going to be sort of a lot of Maybe
Speaker 2: that's making fun of the average person watching their silk
Speaker 2: calling thems, But no, I am a bit cooky again,
Speaker 2: to be like I think, to be as much of
Speaker 2: a Survivor fan as the average person probably watching this is,
Speaker 2: I think they're going to somewhat get me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit weird. I don't think that I am
Speaker 2: the average person that you'd mind not seeing on reality
Speaker 2: TV and following a series like Euros Versus Villains that
Speaker 2: has so many fans, sorry to follow, there's so many
Speaker 2: fans of Survivor that are my age, and to be
Speaker 2: the person that is able to represent them, or to
Speaker 2: be the one that is pitched out of that large
Speaker 2: group of amazing people to actually be on the show
Speaker 2: is a very humbling experience to begin with. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: I am a bit weird. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: think I diverted down a different topic.
Speaker 1: Fine, because I mean you're kind of leading me to
Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you anyway, Because you know,
Speaker 1: I've been chatting to everyone who's left the show each
Speaker 1: week and been really enjoying that. But early on there
Speaker 1: was a few castaways who talked about you being a
Speaker 1: little bit weird, and they said that you would often
Speaker 1: be laughing or cackling to yourself, giving them sort of
Speaker 1: joker vibes, And I just wondered whether or not that's
Speaker 1: just who you are as a person, or whether you
Speaker 1: were trying to unsettle people in a way. What do
Speaker 1: you have to say about the sort of evil joker
Speaker 1: vibes that you were giving off to those people.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a bit weird. I mean, when you're
Speaker 2: out there, you're out there for so long, you're going
Speaker 2: through hell, You're going through all these things and maybe
Speaker 2: where a lot of people delve into other internal things
Speaker 2: to focus on or think about. My usual go to
Speaker 2: is like ironic humor and stuff like that. So the
Speaker 2: whole surrealism about yeah, the whole surrealism about someone like
Speaker 2: me being out there playing something like that and going
Speaker 2: through these things, it was it's almost as if the
Speaker 2: moment that you start taking seriously is the moment that
Speaker 2: all of it disappears, because what are the chances that
Speaker 2: someone like me winds up being out there so like
Speaker 2: I was going into it sort of viewing it as
Speaker 2: a joke, even though it's probably the most amazing thing
Speaker 2: that I've ever done.
Speaker 1: Are you very conscious for certain things, because like even
Speaker 1: your hair choice, the peroxided or the I'm going to
Speaker 1: call it what it is, the cheap peroxided white hair
Speaker 1: for a choice to make. Is that something quite deliberate
Speaker 1: or was that just how your hair looked when you
Speaker 1: were going in.
Speaker 2: I sort of had I think maybe dyet hair when
Speaker 2: I was to my interview, and then to hear that,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm the one that's answering the questions in
Speaker 2: the interview. So then to be told, hey, you're getting
Speaker 2: a chance to be on the show and you're going
Speaker 2: to be a rebel, I'm like, Okay, I don't really
Speaker 2: know how I am really much of a rebel. It
Speaker 2: makes sense looking at post game. I'm the sort of
Speaker 2: person that's willing to make decisions like to pull that
Speaker 2: stupid advantage move that I did. But at the time,
Speaker 2: I was like, why would these people think I'm a rebel? Oh?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I have yellow hair, and I just
Speaker 2: went fully in with the yellow hair the day before
Speaker 2: going out there, so that was my line of reason
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the other castaways also confirmed that maybe
Speaker 1: you were swapped over from being a Titan to a
Speaker 1: rebel at some point. Can you add anything to that
Speaker 1: conversation about whether there was a chance that you were
Speaker 1: going to be on the opposing team.
Speaker 2: So at the very beginning, I made this joke, and
Speaker 2: the joke was, as they said, so, why you're a rebel?
Speaker 2: And I knew that they'd ask something like that. There's
Speaker 2: a lot that you don't see out there regarding the questioning.
Speaker 2: All the tribal councils go for like sixty minutes. Jailp's
Speaker 2: line of question goes for a lot longer than what's
Speaker 2: turn out there. And I knew that they'd be like, so, Raymond,
Speaker 2: why are you a rebel? And I had this line
Speaker 2: in my head right ago. Actually I was picked to
Speaker 2: go on the time this tribe and I said no,
Speaker 2: and they said, how rebellious. We're going to stick you
Speaker 2: here on the rebels tribe. But like I mean, they
Speaker 2: spliced it sort of together and they made it look
Speaker 2: like it like I knew what I was doing, but
Speaker 2: I fumbled the back instantly, and the idea that someone
Speaker 2: like me, someone that's been homeless, someone that works basically
Speaker 2: minimum wage jobs in customer service, would ever be considered
Speaker 2: as a Titan is one of the funniest things to me.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was like an instant joke. But
Speaker 2: then people were like, you pinxerious.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, they believed it, you know, like
Speaker 1: I've had.
Speaker 2: There's no way that someone like me would ever be
Speaker 2: considered a Titan. I have like, yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 2: think it was.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it is now, but someone I
Speaker 1: think it might have been the first chat. It might
Speaker 1: have even been Frankie, but someone was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: should have been on the other side. But at the
Speaker 1: last minute, I believe that Raymond stole my position and
Speaker 1: they quickly swapped him in, which meant that I had
Speaker 1: to swap out. But this is a perfect example of
Speaker 1: how little contestants actually know about what's going on. If
Speaker 1: you can blag everyone this hard and get away.
Speaker 2: With it, possibly again, the idea that someone would ever
Speaker 2: consider me a Titan is ludicrous to me. And maybe
Speaker 2: now post being able to get on a true like
Speaker 2: Christian Survivor, and maybe some people might have this lase
Speaker 2: of the idea that maybe I could be considered, But nah,
Speaker 2: I'm literally like a nobody. I'm literally nothing. I've got
Speaker 2: nothing going for me. I feel like most courses I
Speaker 2: try it tape or even so the idea that someone
Speaker 2: actually that is ludicrous today, Well.
Speaker 1: You're definitely not that, because I feel like you're You're
Speaker 1: now in my list of You're in my Survivor dream
Speaker 1: team forever.
Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: If you and George want to be there every year,
Speaker 1: I'd watch you guys on there every year. And you
Speaker 1: know there's a few others even.
Speaker 2: Put in the same sentence as George as a real honor.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, you know you quickly went hard for that popcorn
Speaker 1: and that auction, did you, being like a really big
Speaker 1: fan of the show, just suspect that there would be
Speaker 1: a clure and advantage in there, and that's why you
Speaker 1: went so hard for it.
Speaker 2: The thing that you're gonna realize about, I mean, there
Speaker 2: wasn't much of a train out there, but my game
Speaker 2: of Survivor is lathered with a lot of irony. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of pros and cons between anything one. The
Speaker 2: auction could stop at any time. I am a massive
Speaker 2: fan of popcorn. I actually lived on popcorn for about
Speaker 2: four months while I was working Perish of Blue because
Speaker 2: they couldn't afford anything else. I'm the biggest fan of popcorn,
Speaker 2: so that tops with the idea that the oction can
Speaker 2: end at any time, and I think that's something that
Speaker 2: nobody's going to probably be going for, even though I
Speaker 2: had to put four hundred dollars up for it. Is
Speaker 2: another reason. The fact that you're sitting there watching a
Speaker 2: live Survivor auction while being able to eat popcorn is
Speaker 2: another thing. And I mean there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a chance that you're going to get an idle, but sorry,
Speaker 2: not an idol or a clue or.
Speaker 1: An advantage or a clue or whatever you got.
Speaker 2: Or an advantage.
Speaker 1: Elene even said that to me. Elene said she suspected
Speaker 1: there was something in the popcorn, but you were in
Speaker 1: her alliance, so she let you have it. She was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Raymond's in my alliance, so he can he can take that,
Speaker 1: because he'll probably bring that advantage twist to me, you know,
Speaker 1: if that was to happen. So she foreshadowed that where
Speaker 1: for you it was actually just your love of popcorn,
Speaker 1: which now goes on my little chalkboard of Raymond just
Speaker 1: being kooky as fuck and bring it off.
Speaker 2: I've got this microwave popcorn thing where you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: a massive fan of popcorn. But I think that me
Speaker 2: being a fan of popcorn is an understatement, and again,
Speaker 2: the average person might not understand their love for something
Speaker 2: that's just as blase as that. But every single message
Speaker 2: that I got from family was I could tell that
Speaker 2: you were going to be the one that was talking
Speaker 2: off that popcorn. It's just another I bet you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have paid four hundred dollars for popcorn back in the
Speaker 2: day when you were living off it.
Speaker 1: I think it would have been ninety nine cents a bag.
Speaker 2: It would have Still, four hundred bucks is about the
Speaker 2: amount that you pay at the cinema for it. So
Speaker 2: I still think that was getting it all.
Speaker 1: Take Eden to task over that. I'm sure he'll talk
Speaker 1: to us about cinema popcorn price and after pulling off
Speaker 1: the advantage. People have been saying that you would be
Speaker 1: a fantastic actor. Is there any thoughts on making a
Speaker 1: career change. Could we see you as the new Heath Ledger.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's an offering there for you. I
Speaker 1: think you your audition has landed.
Speaker 2: I think the ironic thing out of all of it is, again,
Speaker 2: I walked into the game of Survivor because I was
Speaker 2: a massive fan of the show, and I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people walked into the game thinking that this
Speaker 2: was the chance to demonstrate who they are as a
Speaker 2: person on national TV. So I think it's ironic that
Speaker 2: I'm the one that was able to do stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm overly a good actor. I sort
Speaker 2: of maybe know myself. I did look into a little
Speaker 2: bit of body language while going out there. But I
Speaker 2: think that the reason that something like that could actually
Speaker 2: be pulled off is the sheer idea that someone's willing
Speaker 2: to not eat basically for three days or drink that
Speaker 2: much more at order for three days. It's to pull
Speaker 2: something that has it was commitment to the task. On
Speaker 2: top of it, the idea that it's so much to
Speaker 2: lose doing something like that. No one would even probably
Speaker 2: even can think that I was trying to pull something
Speaker 2: like that off, because there's like a honestly probably like
Speaker 2: a five percent chance that you're able to pull something
Speaker 2: like that off. Trying to get every single number on you,
Speaker 2: someone not flipping, someone promising that they'd never write down
Speaker 2: your name. So that's just a reason that they like, no,
Speaker 2: I can't do it. And it's just so many things
Speaker 2: that you have to balance with something like that, And realistically,
Speaker 2: again it's the wagh the pros and the cons of
Speaker 2: something like the popcorn on one hand, on the good side,
Speaker 2: if the thing doesn't work, then you're going home. You're
Speaker 2: eating a cheeseburger. You tried something. You're not leaving the
Speaker 2: game with like a like a whimper. You're trying something,
Speaker 2: and it is such a dumb move that no one
Speaker 2: would ever expect to work, that you might even be
Speaker 2: brought back for an All Star season saying, oh, this
Speaker 2: guy made the dumbest move of all the time I
Speaker 2: go into an All Star season with no target on
Speaker 2: my back.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the most significant, most memorable moment
Speaker 1: of the entire series, like so iconic, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: But I want to take you to task on something
Speaker 1: I really want to know. I've been waiting for this
Speaker 1: chat with you. I kind of hoped you'd win and
Speaker 1: we talk about this on a winner's chat. But it's okay.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you go harder for someone else? I think
Speaker 1: what would have been like a really Raymond idea, And
Speaker 1: how ridiculous of me to talk to you and use
Speaker 1: it as a Raymond anyway it.
Speaker 2: Is you mean to take out another player?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I vow to me, wasn't the right one. I
Speaker 1: would have loved it if you just all of a
Speaker 1: sudden took out Ferris or Kirby at that point, like
Speaker 1: a real batman villain move, a real boss man moved
Speaker 1: to do on a show like this, I think would
Speaker 1: have sent you into an atmosphere or whatever that word
Speaker 1: is that would have had you being talked about around
Speaker 1: the world. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Be hindsight, I don't think that I could ever get
Speaker 2: rid of vivor of those two genuinely at that point
Speaker 2: in the game. I like, when I was doing it,
Speaker 2: I didn't think that I was going to be able
Speaker 2: to pull it off. And then when you do pull
Speaker 2: it off, there's the split second like I had a
Speaker 2: like I thought about everything while lying there in the
Speaker 2: dirt for the three days. But number one, it would
Speaker 2: have been astronomical if I'd done it. But if you
Speaker 2: get rid of Kirby, then everyone perceives it as a
Speaker 2: sneaky move. Kirby is a like. Everyone loves Kirby, they
Speaker 2: adore her, and she's such a such an amazing person,
Speaker 2: and for someone like her to go in the most
Speaker 2: sneaky move of all time would look good.
Speaker 1: I think you would have got chops for that. I
Speaker 1: reckon that's a resume move. That would have shot No, No,
Speaker 1: you didn't think so.
Speaker 2: No, I can promise you. It's all about dury management.
Speaker 2: The people weren't overly happy with Hilaria Valaria was able
Speaker 2: to just tear people in new asshole in tribal councils
Speaker 2: and her winning the sixty thousand dollars and made a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are a lot probably a little
Speaker 2: bit less worse off than her feel very angry about that.
Speaker 2: And Kirby has a way with words. You can see
Speaker 2: how easy she's being able to flip people like that
Speaker 2: on a dime. So if I'm singing at the end
Speaker 2: with Kirby is on the last tribal council, she would
Speaker 2: have a power over the jury to make these people
Speaker 2: even sway it. And on top of it, she's if
Speaker 2: you're getting to the very end with Kirby were not
Speaker 2: the end. But if you're going forward with Kirby, I
Speaker 2: got rid of Jason the last vote, and Jaden was
Speaker 2: a lot with Kirby, her and re Re. We was
Speaker 2: so close and you don't sit in the addit. But
Speaker 2: there's only two people in the at that point that
Speaker 2: are bringing Kirby to the very end because she's not
Speaker 2: winning that last insurance challenge, and that's Jayden can end rearly.
Speaker 2: If you get rid of Jaydon, then the only person
Speaker 2: that can bring Kirby to the end of the game
Speaker 2: so she can win is re Read. And at that
Speaker 2: point when I got rid of Jen, I didn't want
Speaker 2: Alex or Mark using that idol because if I was
Speaker 2: flipping my alliance something that I had like a pretty
Speaker 2: sure fire way down to the final five or six
Speaker 2: two in that point, if I'm flipping on these people,
Speaker 2: I want there to be reassurance that I have a
Speaker 2: safety net or something going forward that can get out
Speaker 2: of the player, especially at that point since Alice is
Speaker 2: a challenge beast, and if you can make Alex believe
Speaker 2: that he played a good game, then he would probably
Speaker 2: be willing to pull someone like me to the very end.
Speaker 2: Where I can win against him, but it shows me
Speaker 2: wanting to flash Alex's idol. But the fact that I said,
Speaker 2: I will tell you who the votes are going for,
Speaker 2: and I will vote for you to get out Jayden,
Speaker 2: which really did need to happen, is because he's a
Speaker 2: challenge beast. That guy is so strong and so charismatic
Speaker 2: and funny. But the fact that they went against my
Speaker 2: way when I was putting everything on the line is
Speaker 2: another reason why I was like, well, screw this, I'm
Speaker 2: going to pull my move because I felt like to
Speaker 2: by market and get out Hilaria with being the one
Speaker 2: that I get out. There's just so many reasons for
Speaker 2: why everything happens out there, and again to Survivor, and
Speaker 2: you only see the surface level thing, but there's like
Speaker 2: four levels of every decision that's being made out there,
Speaker 2: whether it would be working out who's on the jury
Speaker 2: that's going to vote for you, dury management, how you
Speaker 2: get to the end, just everything. That's what Survivor is.
Speaker 2: It's the most mentally taxing game that anyone can ever play.
Speaker 2: And for me to never be able to play something
Speaker 2: like that again, or like not be able to play
Speaker 2: it in day to day life really annoys me because
Speaker 2: how else am I going to be mentally fulfilled? Now
Speaker 2: for experiencing something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always been told, you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to a show like this, there's if you think that
Speaker 1: there's about five storylines being told, there's usually two that
Speaker 1: are being aired. You know, So like the ratio of
Speaker 1: what storylines are happening for you inside your own mind
Speaker 1: versus what the viewers are saying, it diluted very quickly.
Speaker 1: I have such a short window with you, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you three questions. We're going to try
Speaker 1: and get out really quickly.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I've been wasting all this time on my
Speaker 2: thought patterns behind it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, And I was here for it because
Speaker 1: that is such a big part of your game. So
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it. But I'm going to smash
Speaker 1: these ones down. Did Ferris tell you about his bogus
Speaker 1: Final three deal? Did he loop you in on the
Speaker 1: fact that he'd made these two other Final three deals
Speaker 1: with Caroline and Mark?
Speaker 2: I was lifted in into what Ferris was doing from
Speaker 2: the date to every single decision that he made, and
Speaker 2: I was in on that. But also when you get
Speaker 2: to a final four. And I'll say this quickly. When
Speaker 2: you get to a final full position, the cards have
Speaker 2: all been laid out. The only thing that makes a
Speaker 2: difference is winning that last immunity challenge, which Mark did.
Speaker 2: So from there the decisions have already been made somehow,
Speaker 2: for some reason, March picks to get rid of me
Speaker 2: over Ferris. Caroline wouldn't have had much of us, say,
Speaker 2: because if she had wanted her way, then it would
Speaker 2: have been her probably going home in a three something.
Speaker 2: So she was doing whatever Mark was doing any and
Speaker 2: Ferris was. I was getting whipped in on whatever Ferris
Speaker 2: was doing anyway. And I think that Mark was trying
Speaker 2: to make Ferris look dishonest in that last tribal council,
Speaker 2: but everyone was seeing through. And I wish they'd trained
Speaker 2: me tearing him and you ass or during that last challenge, so.
Speaker 1: That'd be good. I did hear about that, and I
Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen it. What would you
Speaker 1: have done if Ferris did write your name down? Obviously
Speaker 1: we loved the fact that he didn't, and he, you know,
Speaker 1: showed both the others that he was not a man
Speaker 1: of his word, but he was a man of his
Speaker 1: word to you, which we all loved. You know, what
Speaker 1: would you have done if Ferris had written your name down?
Speaker 2: At that point it was never happening. But if it
Speaker 2: did happen, then I would not have been impressed going
Speaker 2: on to the jury, And yeah, I wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: happy going on to jury, and that it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: happened anyway, And it is dury management and Mark was
Speaker 2: really trying to get it to happen where Ferris for
Speaker 2: don my name so I would feel the traylead. But
Speaker 2: like I saw through it instantly. Everyone on the jury
Speaker 2: was seeing through what he was doing. And he was
Speaker 2: just doing like a stance, trying to actually make some
Speaker 2: sort of thing that makes him record nice by the jury,
Speaker 2: because like he was getting like Curby and First who
Speaker 2: were running rings around him the whole merge phase of
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 1: Who was not so forgiving of you with your advantage
Speaker 1: twist by the way, when you went back to the
Speaker 1: jury and a lot of people have said, you know,
Speaker 1: claiming that you had a mental health issue, but then
Speaker 1: turning out that you were lying. Even you you said
Speaker 1: said you guys are going to be so mad at me?
Speaker 1: Is was there anyone still holding a grudge. Was there
Speaker 1: anyone that hadn't let to go?
Speaker 2: Maybe Valeria, But it's really hard to get a reed
Speaker 2: on Valeria just because of her how she omits herself
Speaker 2: as a person. She isn't a very emotional person. She
Speaker 2: doesn't like to I think let a lot of her
Speaker 2: emotions be shown, so it's hard to tell. But it's
Speaker 2: had to tell really much of Hilaria, I think in general.
Speaker 2: But I think on a series like Titans Versus Rebels,
Speaker 2: with a series that has twelve recruits and twelve fans,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the fans making jury, I think
Speaker 2: they're all appreciative that it was just going to make
Speaker 2: for a TV because a lot of us were out
Speaker 2: out there because of that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I think a lot of people, yeah
Speaker 1: the good television. So Yesterda ask Kirby, who's got the
Speaker 1: order of the best resume? So the final three people?
Speaker 1: Can you just give me the names in order? Maybe
Speaker 1: not a rationale for it, but who in order has
Speaker 1: the best resume for you? Out of Caroline, Mark and Ferris.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Ferris is number one as someone that watched the
Speaker 2: game and knows all about the relationships that every single
Speaker 2: person has out there, It'd be hard for me to
Speaker 2: say who I think has the best retire without giving
Speaker 2: too much awak going into the finale, are going into
Speaker 2: people like thinking, you're going off the perception of anyone
Speaker 2: can win. So if I'm standing here saying this person
Speaker 2: does not have a.
Speaker 1: Chance, words of a game show host, I'll take that
Speaker 1: answer and move on to the next one. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to miss that in the Game of Survivor
Speaker 1: question which everyone else has answered. So I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: But what is something from behind the scenes, something that
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to see, kind of a
Speaker 1: behind the scenes secret for your time in Australian Survivor
Speaker 1: Titans versus.
Speaker 2: Rebels, Well number one, there was a lot more that
Speaker 2: you didn't see regarding Nathan's jacket that Carolina Valry were
Speaker 2: fighting over on Okay, that's rather fighting for a jacket
Speaker 2: for the whole game and it's funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, take good Raymond. I'll chat to you another time.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure talking to you. I hopefully you like
Speaker 2: this series. Thank you very much.