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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning. Sam.

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Speaker 2: The COVID nineteen crisis has been an unprecedented opportunity for

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy industry. Talks of plandemics, a secret society of

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Speaker 2: billionaires around the world are plotting global domination, The idea

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Speaker 2: that vaccines will will track our every move, That the

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Speaker 2: five G mobile antennas are spreading coronavirus, that Bill Gates

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Speaker 2: is somehow implicated. I don't understand all of this. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to a leading infectious disease expert who also

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Speaker 2: will hopefully debunk some of these for us. He's from

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Speaker 2: the Australian National University, Doctor san Jaya Sennaki.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Amanda. How are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Doctor? Can I ask you this question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, JONESI are you one of them?

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Speaker 3: Are you a lizard person?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Look, my skin gets dry in winter, but I

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Speaker 1: used one to write.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good carry on.

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Speaker 2: There's something about that's a known thing, isn't it when

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Speaker 2: we're in times of crisis that the conspiracy theorists come out.

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Speaker 2: The World Health Organization has said they're not only battling

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Speaker 2: a health crisis, but an infodemic. We all think we

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Speaker 2: know better than the experts is that what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Look, it's hard to know, Amanda. I think part of

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Speaker 1: it is this, for the last fifty years years or

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Speaker 1: so in Australia generally as a whole, we've led a

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Speaker 1: pretty prosperous and good existence and really our lives of

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Speaker 1: society has been upended in the last few months, completely

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Speaker 1: upended by something we can't see, can't touch, can't feel.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's very disturbing for some people. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's so disturbing they just look for other

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Speaker 1: causes that they can look in, they can cring onto.

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Speaker 1: So I think that may be part of it.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that the five G network could give

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Speaker 3: us coronavirus or indeed have the Chinese track our every move? Well,

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Speaker 3: I can actually understand the tracking of our every move

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Speaker 3: with a phone tails, but how do you actually get

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Speaker 3: five G from how do you get corona from it?

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Speaker 1: I must have so surprised when I first heard there's none,

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Speaker 1: even more surprised that it continues to be circulated. I

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Speaker 1: mean five G. The one important way that it's supposed

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Speaker 1: to cause coronavirus is by reducing our immunity through the radiation.

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Speaker 1: But radiation for five G is not harmful to people,

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Speaker 1: and even if it were harmful enough to affect our

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Speaker 1: immune cells, it wouldn't just be coronavirus that would would

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Speaker 1: be brought into the fora. It would also be other

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Speaker 1: infections like flu, for instance, and we've seen a ninety

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Speaker 1: six percent reduction in flu notifications to the Commonwealth in April.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing about five G is that COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen has permeated through everywhere in the world, including parts

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Speaker 1: of countries that don't have five G and countries that

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Speaker 1: don't have five G, So it's just ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: What about another one that Bill Gates apparently is going

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Speaker 2: to use microchip in vaccines? Is that why Bill Gates

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Speaker 2: is implicated? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I believe this is related to an article for Microsoft

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Speaker 1: where they talked about to monitor vaccination, particularly in the

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Speaker 1: developing world, where Bill Gates's foundation focuses a lot of

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Speaker 1: its resources on, they might think about using something like

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Speaker 1: an invisible ink tattoo to to show that someone's had

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Speaker 1: been vaccinated, but no one would be tracked, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think it would be entered into a central database either.

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Speaker 1: But I think from that that conspiracy theory has arisen,

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Speaker 1: and again no basis to it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about people who feel that this

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Speaker 2: is a bio weapon, that this has been developed deliberately

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Speaker 2: in a Chinese lab to overtake our society.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we've had other coronaviruses cause infections before, and

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Speaker 1: we know that they've come from the animal kingdom, and

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Speaker 1: of course the most memorable one for people will be

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Speaker 1: the outbreak of two thousand and three where there were

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Speaker 1: eight thousand cases and about eight hundred deaths. So this

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Speaker 1: has all happened before, and there is a completely plausible

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Speaker 1: explanation that as humanity encroacters more on animal habitats and

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Speaker 1: there's more mixing of animal viruses with humans, that that

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Speaker 1: jump occurs and animal viruses can become transmitted amongst humans.

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Speaker 1: So it just seems again crazy to think that as

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Speaker 1: a biolopment. And how is China benefited from this? China

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Speaker 1: had suffered a number of health consequences of COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: And of course, now from a political point of view

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Speaker 1: there in the world's eye in terms of this inquiry.

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Speaker 3: What's the worst case scenario for this weekend, say, with

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Speaker 3: all the protests that happened around the country this weekend.

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Speaker 3: What is the worst case scenario of reinfection.

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Speaker 1: Sure, so I think we are in a better position

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Speaker 1: than say the United States, which is the center of

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Speaker 1: the focus of those protests, because we have much lower

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Speaker 1: levels of circulating COVID thanks to all the great work

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Speaker 1: that we've done as a country. However, there is a

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Speaker 1: chance that even there's only a couple of people amongst

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand have COVID nineteen, that it could lead to

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Speaker 1: another cluster of cases. And some data is coming out

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Speaker 1: that about one in ten people with COVID nineteen are

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Speaker 1: responsible for a large proportion, maybe eighty percent of cases

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Speaker 1: in so called super spreading events, and this could be

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Speaker 1: one of them. I hope it isn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something you've got to think about this weekend.

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Speaker 3: If you go into a protest, if you're there and

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Speaker 3: the police are there, the police will invariably go to

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Speaker 3: hospitals for other business. So you've got to take that

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Speaker 3: on board before you protest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, try and socially distanced if you can. Well, look,

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Speaker 2: this hasn't been amazing obviously, we all still believe that

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Speaker 2: there's a secret society, and you are a listed person.

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Speaker 2: We know that we've established your dry Skin.

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Speaker 3: Oil of yew Land. It's always great, Doctor Sanya, thank

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Speaker 3: you for joining us and this morning it's been great.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, thank you so much for being a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you join the and Amanda good morning one at

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Speaker 1: one point seven. Tell you