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Speaker 1: Ash, question for you, fire away, big guy. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: social media? Honey you damn what do you got? You're

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Speaker 1: a total million? Million?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Million?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pathetic. You're nothing. You're an embarrassment.

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Speaker 3: This is words. Oh I need to hear I need

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Speaker 3: to hear this. I needed to hear this today. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Who has a lot more you got? Do you know

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Speaker 1: who does have a lot? Who's that man? A lot

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Speaker 1: more than us? Ben Tate from Ben and Zara. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they have millions of followers Matt and I just interrupted

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Speaker 1: really quickly. Two point nine million on Instagram and five

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: You might have seen them performing entertaining lip sync videos

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Speaker 4: of your favorite songs.

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Speaker 1: They're really popping off, popping off, Ash, it's a vibe.

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Speaker 3: Vibes are high.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Nomen, where ViBe's are high.

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Speaker 1: Then his dad to Zara and has a youngest son

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Speaker 4: He's grown up acting in ads and TV, so his

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Speaker 4: life has always been at the mercy of contracts and

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Speaker 4: unusual schedules, which wasn't a problem up until Zara came

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Speaker 1: I hear the story behind her birth is wild. Little

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Speaker 4: Zara's birth also served as a tipping point in Ben's

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Speaker 1: Oh, another little teas for you there. Look at us

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Speaker 1: just edging the listeners this morning.

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Speaker 3: Did you say edging?

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Speaker 1: It's a great chart. I loved it. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to three doting dads. I am Mattie, Jay,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ash, and I'm Ben. This is a podcast all

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Speaker 1: about parenting. It is the good, it is the bad,

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Speaker 1: and relatable. Ben. We have to tell you that on

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Speaker 1: our podcast we don't give any advice. There is no

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Speaker 1: we're sitting on topic and you go. I can add

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Speaker 3: If you don't want to, that's fine as well.

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Speaker 1: Also as should I start to give advice, it's your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we always like to start off with our

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Speaker 1: guest as a youngster. You know, we were talking before

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Speaker 1: and we found out where you grew up. Yes, punch Bowl, punch.

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Speaker 2: Bowl the first fifteen years, it did it seem far

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Speaker 2: too refined to be from punch Bowl. I'll look out.

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Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, let that upset them the resident to all

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Speaker 4: I think it's been astute observation of Yes, yeah, it's fair.

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Speaker 2: It did get changed to Roselands in I think ninety

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Speaker 2: cut part of punch Bowl. Yes, so I'm reluctant to

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Speaker 1: Was that like an obvious choice to kind of rebrand

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Speaker 2: It was obvious because there was Roselands shopping center, so

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Speaker 1: And this is in no way trying to like paint

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Speaker 1: you and the people of punch Bowl and Roselands in

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Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, he dropped his marker and flew off

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Speaker 2: Unbeknownst to me, my sister, my beautiful wife Lisa, and

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Speaker 2: And there you changed the mood, yeah, And they were

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

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00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: And you made it back? Do you make it back

440
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: to the shooter?

441
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: See? That was that. It was so hard. We did

442
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: skinder skin all that stuff and then had to My

443
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: manager rang me and said, I'm so sorry, you need

444
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: to go back. And so I went back and yeah,

445
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: that was really hard. I ended up going back and

446
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: doing reshoots. Mate, so stressful, And that's really the main

447
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: reason I stayed for as long as I did was

448
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: because of that. And when I went back, people were

449
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: saying to me, you know, you you just didn't put

450
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: it down on the sheet because you wanted the money,

451
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: and guilty.

452
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: I did want the money, but I didn't think that different.

453
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: I genuinely just didn't think. Yeah, I was very foggy

454
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: at that stage in my life as well. It was

455
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: a funny time and yeah, it's that's what happened.

456
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, you made it, that's the main thing.

457
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, I've got to ask. I think last time

458
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: I checked Instagram wise, you're sitting on two point seven million. Yes,

459
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: I think, am I right?

460
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: Two point eight yes as of today, but you know

461
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: that could and was five point two am I won?

462
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: I think?

463
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have some huge, crazy numbers. Yes, so I do.

464
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: Both of us have to say congratulations, thanks Matte. She's

465
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: really bloody impressive than you do. You remember the very

466
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: first viral video that.

467
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: We did, our first video was It wasn't as viral

468
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: as we've had since then, but it was the first

469
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: video sort of set us up. That was lip sync

470
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: we did during lockdown I Want It that Way by

471
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: the Backstreet Boys song. Yes, that's exact was it was.

472
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: It wasn't the Brooklyn nine nine version, Was it like

473
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: the It was the actual Yeah, it was.

474
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: The actual thing, yes, and yeah we filmed it during lockdown.

475
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: Zara and I were filming a lot of stuff during lockdown,

476
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: and I never crossed my mind for it to go

477
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: that way. My brother had said to me about eighteen

478
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: months before I posted it. You know, there's you're doing

479
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: your thing and Zara doing her thing. There's there's a market.

480
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: I think people would love it. And I pooh poohed

481
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: the idea because I didn't really want to get Zara

482
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: involved in on camera and all that sort of stuff,

483
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: and it just all seemed a bit yeah, too hard basket.

484
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: So how many phollows would you have had before the

485
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys video? None?

486
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: No, And then it went I think we got thirty

487
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: thousand off that video. And then we sort of went,

488
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: holy shit, you know this is this could have something here,

489
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: And I rang my family. I literally was in tears

490
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: on the phone and my brother because I was saying,

491
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to put Zara out.

492
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: There and how old was she at the time, five.

493
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: And he and the rest of my family and Lisa

494
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: and my mom and my sister, we also talked about

495
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: it and said, as long as it remains fun and

496
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: you know she loves it, yeah, and only do what

497
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: you're comfortable with and what she's comfortable with, then go

498
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: for it. Be motivated by success, not for you all

499
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And so we went for it,

500
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: but we didn't. We always we never really filmed a lot.

501
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: It was always something that we just we do two

502
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: or three videos a week at the start.

503
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: And with lockdown, I suppose there's all sorts of time

504
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: and then you would have been doing shit.

505
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: School or just she was, but she was doing homeschool,

506
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: so you would to.

507
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: Help homeschooling all sorts of stuff with your videos. Now,

508
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 4: I mean it's been it's been a while since then,

509
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: and the following is quite big. Who comes up, who's

510
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 4: the creative inspiration?

511
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: Who is it? A bit of both or.

512
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: So Zara. We basically with music because a lot of

513
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: our stuff is music. But everything we do I vet

514
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: with Zara. So I'll say I'll show a song, do

515
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: you like it? She likes it or she doesn't.

516
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't really like the police. But

517
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: generally every.

518
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Now and then she go, I don't know, I don't know,

519
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: but it would be fun. I can see what you're thinking.

520
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Any bands that she knocks back that you're.

521
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: She knocked back, well, actually I don't know if she

522
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: has knocked back. She's knocked back a couple of heavy

523
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: metal ones.

524
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: She's not a big heavy metal fan. Are you heavy

525
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: metal fan?

526
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: I like some Yeah, I like some Metallica. Yeah, she's

527
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: not big on Metallica. We actually did one disturbed get

528
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Down with the Sickness, did that recently and that performed

529
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: really well and she loved that. She liked the hook

530
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, but she was like,

531
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: this is heavy, dad. But yeah, but as far as

532
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: inspiration goes, Zara will come up with stuff in the

533
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: moment and I'll just say you do this part, I'll

534
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: do that part. She likes all that direction. But she

535
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: really creates.

536
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: Whatever she does.

537
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

538
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing, and I can, I can, I can

539
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: imagine for her because we all sort of grew up

540
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 4: and then a lot of us didn't find it creative

541
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 4: outlet until there was a pandemic, Like I didn't do

542
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: any of this stuff before it.

543
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: Started, And I was like, so for her now growing up.

544
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: She's got this creative outlet already for sure, which is

545
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: just going to help her be more powerful when she

546
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: gets older.

547
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we would hope. So that's what you know.

548
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: We're so fortunate with how it's been received and she

549
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: really wants to act, and there's been some amazing doors.

550
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: That have opened.

551
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I can really talk about at the moment.

552
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: But she's she's doing a thing, and she's working at it,

553
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: and she's got an acting coach in La.

554
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Let me speculate. What do we got. I feel like

555
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: jock boyl Yeah, feature film linked, feature film. I feel

556
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: like I haven't heard her sing. I feel like she

557
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: can sing. She can sing good dance. It's a musical.

558
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: It's the musical.

559
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: But if you get well, if she gets in a film, hypothetical,

560
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: are you like I wouldn't mind being in the film

561
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: as well.

562
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: For sure. But I've come to yeah, of course the performer,

563
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: but I have definitely come to accept that she could

564
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: play the daughter of someone and.

565
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: You know what, it was my son, I take him.

566
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she did. That took a little bit of

567
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: getting used to for her that I said to, uh,

568
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: you know this could it could turn out someone else.

569
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: Not playing Brad Pitters.

570
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's gone, oh, the first time we talked

571
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: about it, oh, I don't like that.

572
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: And now she's totally cool well with Marley because Marley

573
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: is now turning six, yes, very shortly, and there's been

574
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: moments where she's asked questions. There was one time when

575
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: she was on the back of a bus with Laura

576
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: and she was like.

577
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: On a picture, just not hanging.

578
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Hanging on left. She was like, Dad, am I am

579
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I famous? And I was like, yeah, I want this

580
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: kid to have some level of resilience, you know, I

581
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: don't want her growing up. Yes, exactly. So I was like,

582
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, it's no big deal

583
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: that you're in the back of the bus. It's very normal,

584
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: need nothing to be proud of. Was like nothing.

585
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: Have you have you ever been on a bus before

586
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: her or she was on a bus before you.

587
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: I was on a bus one time. Yes, many, many

588
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: many not me. Man, your time will come. Have there

589
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: been any moments when she was younger where she was

590
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of like hang on a second, like, am I someone?

591
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure?

592
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: And how do you navigate that conversation?

593
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: So we tell her that it's part of the thing.

594
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: If you really want to do this, you're going to

595
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: get recognized. But that stuff's not important. It's not it's

596
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: nothing about your self worth or anything. That's not what

597
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: really is important that you kind you're down to earth.

598
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: This is just a it's a thing. It's not Fame

599
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: is a funny and weird thing. And people are going

600
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: to react, you know, they're going to give you a

601
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: lot of wow, you're so amazing, But really they're talking

602
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: about your gift, your gifted in and what your talent is.

603
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: They don't really know who you are underneath it. So

604
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: what's important is that you're kind to those people? You say, loo,

605
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. That's a long winded answer,

606
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: but it's it's I.

607
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: Think it's good. We think yes, solid I was. I

608
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: was with you for the journey on that one, but

609
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: I liked how you you were. You sort of you

610
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: separated it to who she is for sure.

611
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: And that there there is a person under there, and

612
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: people are going to tell you how good you are,

613
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: but it's remembered for you to stay humble and be

614
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: kind and the show people actually how good you are

615
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: at being a person.

616
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: Sure, that's what I got from that for sure.

617
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting

618
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: up because we did a we did a TikTok live

619
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: once and when you're allowed to have your kids on

620
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: her and the comments were, you're so beautiful, z are

621
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: You're so pretty, You're so great, you're so awesome, You're

622
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: this or that, and I got off and we made

623
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of money in that time from that

624
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: one session, which and I just said to Lisa, we

625
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: can't do this again because if we do that again,

626
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: she her self worth is going to come from that.

627
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: And so that is in line with what you just said.

628
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: We really don't when people are telling her how she's amazing,

629
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: how amazing she is, that's what they're seeing online. That's

630
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: it's you know, that's not you don't get yourself.

631
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: You're yeah, you're amazing in other ways I have seen

632
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: before absolutely, which I think like when you said that

633
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: you know that you're so beautiful, you know that that

634
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: could be so interpreted in so many different ways that

635
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: could be.

636
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: That could be like your personality online is so beautiful

637
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: you as a person. So they don't know that. They

638
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: just see from face value, right sure.

639
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just dangerous for kids. So yeah, Zara

640
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: has absolutely no access to anything like that.

641
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: If she may or may not be in a film

642
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: coming up, can you promise us something, Yes, when you're

643
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: in Hollywood and you know you're walking the carpet of

644
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: the Oscars, can you just still remember us?

645
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: Do you know two other dads? We need three dads for.

646
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: You with you mentioned youn.

647
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: What's his what's what makes him tick?

648
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Sport?

649
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, love sports, love the Doggies at the moment, Yeah, Doggies.

650
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: He is all about the is his favorite player from

651
00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 3: the Doggies.

652
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: Burton loves Matt Burton, kick out.

653
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: All the imports.

654
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all the parents. Yeah, he's forty, but all sports.

655
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Just him and I will watch sports channels all the time.

656
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

657
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: Anything we're watching. We're watching the other day archery, Yeah,

658
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 2: anything is playing sport. Yeah, he's playing soccer at the moment.

659
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: We registered him into the local footy team, but it

660
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: coincided with soccer, so we've said next year he can

661
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: play league, much to his mum's excite. It's been a

662
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: hard one but he's prepared to play without his mates

663
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: and so I said, shouldn't we honor that that he

664
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: really wants. He wants it, and so she's cool with that.

665
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: She gets Yeah, that's got. He did union last year

666
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: and he did one training session. We sponsored the team too,

667
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: did one training session that he spent the rest of

668
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: the training sessions in the bathroom.

669
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: He fell over once. Yeah football yeah, yeah, everything like

670
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: how old is on?

671
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: Now?

672
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: He's so obviously he's prime position for everything at school.

673
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 3: Who's the fastest? Is the best?

674
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: Ye? Yeah, yeah, he's he's quick. Oh yeah, yeah he's

675
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: really quick, and yeah he's yeah. But he has a

676
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: knack for performing as well. He's hilarious, but he just

677
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: doesn't really he's not super interested.

678
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, out of interest. What field does Lisa work in?

679
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: So she was worked in insurance for a while, she's

680
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: worked in healthcare. She works in daycare at the moment,

681
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: just a couple of days here and there.

682
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: But all the performing ability has come from yourself, not

683
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: at all.

684
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: She actually is like a lot of the concepts. Lisa

685
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: will come up with a lot of the songs. We've

686
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: got an ongoing you've got absolutely got an ongoing argument

687
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: about who's got the most viral videos for concepts?

688
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: Wow, and who's winning at the moment.

689
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: It's got to be. But yeah, she's incredible. We've unlocked

690
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 2: this and particularly for paid partnerships and whatnot, it takes

691
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: me three days to figure something out. Takes least three minutes.

692
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: That's a skill. Yeah, I mean we do that all week, every.

693
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: Week, and I'm like, now I make this funny.

694
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: We spoke before ben about the fact that you're sober. Yes,

695
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: how how long has it been now?

696
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: Nine years? Nine and a bit?

697
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, What led to the moment where you decided that

698
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: being sober was the most important thing for you?

699
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: I look, it had been a long journey of trying

700
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: to knowing that I shouldn't drink. You know, my mum

701
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: would say my late teens, she'd say, some people just

702
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't drink, and you're one of them. And and meeting Lisa.

703
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: I went to rehab in twenty ten and I did

704
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 2: a nine week stint in there, and I got out

705
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: and I tried to curve. I tried to tried to

706
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: get above my drinking by just drinking light beers and

707
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: what they call control drinking. And I went okay for

708
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: a while, and things started going well in my career.

709
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: I was doing voiceovers at the time, and things were

710
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: doing well. And then I met my dream girl.

711
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: And when you say control drinking, what does that mean?

712
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: Is that just I'll be careful because I'm not, like,

713
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm not completely.

714
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: Well versed in for yourself.

715
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: For me, it was light light beer, and it was

716
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: watching my portions and how off and I had it

717
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. But what happened was

718
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: with the career and Lisa. On the surface, all looked

719
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: like everything was awesome. And what I've learned in my

720
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: recovery is that social acceptability doesn't equal recovery. It wasn't

721
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: being grounded and all that sort of stuff, And for me,

722
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: I ended up, you know, Lessa and I be out.

723
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: I'd have a light beer and she'd have her wine

724
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: or whatever, and then I'd go to the bar and

725
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: have a couple of shots without her knowing, and that

726
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: sort of progressed over time, and then you know, we

727
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: got married in twenty thirteen, and yeah, I blacked out

728
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: at my wedding towards the end of it, and I

729
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: said a couple of mean things to some really, you know,

730
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: some of the people I love the most in my life.

731
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, two of my groomsmen out of three, my

732
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: sister in law, who was the nicest person you've ever met,

733
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: My cousin, And it was actually my cousin the next

734
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: day who rang me and told me I had no one,

735
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: and so we went on the honeymoon. I was just

736
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: filled with remorse, skill and regret. My brother six weeks later,

737
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: when he felt comfortable to talk to me again at

738
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: a family function, mind you, I had to be here

739
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: in my hand, and I was apologizing profusely to both

740
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: him and my sister in law. And my brother looked

741
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: at me and said, it's all right, mate. It will

742
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: never happen again, though, will it. And he gave me

743
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: this look like better yeah, And I went no, no, no, mate,

744
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking as clear as day, I remember thinking,

745
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: I can't guarantee that that happened. But then a couple

746
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: couple of weeks later, I didn't come home when I

747
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: said i'd come home. I was blacked out. It was

748
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: not pretty. Lisa found me somewhere in the bushes, somewhere

749
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: textbook like what you'd see in a movie about alcoholic

750
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: and Lisa said, you need to clean up, and if

751
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: you don't, we're over. And this was after two months

752
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: of marriage. And so I went to my psychologist that

753
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I was seeing at the time. I was seeing a

754
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: psychologist because I was just riddled with anxiety and all

755
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: the stuff. But I was constantly drinking and you know,

756
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: partying what I thought was partying to the party was

757
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: well over. And the psychologist referred me to a community

758
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: of like minded people and said you need to get

759
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: so and so yeah, that sort of started my journey. Yeah, wow,

760
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: it was the start of it.

761
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Good on you for again being able to be in

762
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: a position where you could have gone either way.

763
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. Look, it's taken a village. That absolutely has

764
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: and I still have a lot of support around that.

765
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: What's been the hardest do you think about staying on

766
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: the right track?

767
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: Look, mate, I grew up with older male role models

768
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: saying the phrase never trust a man.

769
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: That doesn't drink.

770
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, and that that is so ingrained, you know.

771
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: And I love to be love the taste of it,

772
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: to be a kind ofseur, you know, like I was

773
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: all over it, and you know, the social aspect of

774
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: it was the hardest part for the first couple of years.

775
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: And my mates, like I love my mates, but it

776
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: was the only way I knew how to connect with

777
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: anyone was with you know, a skinful and I used

778
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: it for everything, you know, when I was happy, when

779
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: I was sad, when I was angry, and so having

780
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: to feel things was brand new. I've been drinking for

781
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: twenty one years most days, particularly in the last ten years,

782
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: and yeah, that was really hard.

783
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: This new life.

784
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: And then Zara was born, and I was nine months

785
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: sober when she was born, and you know, early recovery

786
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, who I should speak for myself,

787
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: it was tough, like it was because it was my

788
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 2: identity was wrapped up in that I was the party boy,

789
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: you know. But it was clear to everyone close to

790
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: me that I was really sick. You know, I had

791
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: yellow I was yellow as I had pancrea titus. At

792
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: times I'd have to go to hospital. I don't if

793
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: you know anything about pankory titans, he's the gnarliest thing

794
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: and it's one of the common causes of alcoholism.

795
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's.

796
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: Just so many things would happen. I'd been hit by cars,

797
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: I'd hit the whole lot and you know, and I'd

798
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: burned bridges. I'd hurt so many people. Yeah, it was

799
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: I relapsed at when Zara was nine months old for

800
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: one night because I found it really hard to let

801
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: go of the old relationships. And I did don't necessarily

802
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: have to let go of those relationships, but I shouldn't.

803
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: You know, you sit in the barber's chair long enough,

804
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: you're going to get a haircut. And I was going

805
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: to things that, you know, I was still hanging out

806
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: with the boys while there was drink involved, and it

807
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: was too early for me to be doing that. I

808
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: needed to get more time up, and it wasn't there.

809
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming the.

810
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Boys at all.

811
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: It was I really mourned. I grieved not being around

812
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: my mates and doing all that sort of stuff. But

813
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: it was really clear within a couple of beers that

814
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: night that the party was over, which had me going

815
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: even harder because it's like, oh shit, I shouldn't be

816
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: doing this bang, and I'll never forget. I went home

817
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 2: and Sarah was Yeah, she was nine months old, and

818
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: she pulled herself up to the couch and looked at

819
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: me with those pure and yeah, I was done. That

820
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: was yeah, I knew, but I knew I needed to

821
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: thrown myself into my recovery and and so I did.

822
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: And I've been helped by so many strong men and

823
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: women that are like minded and have been through the

824
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: same thing. And you know, my thing today is trying

825
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: to help others because I've learned and I'm learning that

826
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: I only keep what I have by giving it away,

827
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: and so, you know, but every day I get to

828
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: help someone that's helping me. Yeah, you know, and and yeah,

829
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: there's a there's a community out there of so many

830
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: amazing people that have got incredible stories that have turned

831
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: their lives around.

832
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know.

833
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: What they've given to me freely has helped me and

834
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: my family exponentially.

835
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulations on nine and a half years.

836
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: Thanks, ma'am.

837
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 4: That's you know, listening to that story, it's like there's

838
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, and you said the party is over, and

839
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: it's like, fucked it, Like just that thought, you know,

840
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: like especially being a young man and growing up and

841
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: doing your career, having a family, and then you think about,

842
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: you know, your boys you grew up with, and it's

843
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: really hard to find when the party's over for sure.

844
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: But I would say the party isn't it. I've never

845
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: had so.

846
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: Much fun in my freaking life. Wow lack.

847
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 2: But I didn't think that was possible without a dream.

848
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: My first two years, i'd hear people say, oh love sobriety,

849
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: I love my recovery. I don't think bullshit, how can you?

850
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: And now, like I've got a crew of guys that

851
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: we laugh our asses off and we watched the foot

852
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: of the UFC. We go away, we do all sorts

853
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: of stuff.

854
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: Out of interest. Are they the same mates that you

855
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: used to hang out with before or have you had

856
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: to get new friends.

857
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: I've still in contact with a lot of those guys,

858
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: not all of them, but I am in contact with

859
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: their few of them that I really grew up. But

860
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: there's there's a whole new crew. But my oldest mate

861
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: who's like my brother, I've been friends with him since

862
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: I was four. We grew up around the corner from

863
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: each other in punchy. He he's ninety one day sober today.

864
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

865
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's like one of the just fills me up.

866
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

867
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so powerful, it's really Yeah.

868
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. There are so many people out there who

869
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: don't even begin to go on that journey to recovery.

870
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: So the fact that you've done it and you've stuck

871
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: to it, and you also then positively impacted those around

872
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: you to echo what Ash said, Congratulations, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's like.

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Speaker 2: There's it's it is everything good I have in my

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Speaker 2: life other than from Lisa and you know, my two

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Speaker 2: beautiful kids. And am I gotta throw my mum in

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Speaker 2: there because she's she's been through it all, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's I wouldn't have it if I didn't

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Speaker 2: have recovery. Really, I know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: able to do what we do. I wouldn't be able

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Speaker 2: to connect with the kids the way I do. And look,

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Speaker 2: I've got to double down. I've got to say that

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Speaker 2: I know plenty of dads that drink and are amazing fathers,

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Speaker 2: and they enjoy a drink and they're amazing dads. For me,

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Speaker 2: the way I drink, it ain't possible, you know, and

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Speaker 2: lucky bastards. I still I look at them and go, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: if I could, I would, but it's it's just not

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Speaker 2: the case. They know when to pull up and put

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Speaker 2: the family first and all that sort of stuff, and

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this sort of same where it's like you

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Speaker 4: can't have love and addiction at the same time. You

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Speaker 4: got to either drop the things you love and keep

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Speaker 4: the addiction or take the love and drop the addiction.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've heard it put like that, but

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I do agree.

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Speaker 3: It's super powerful.

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Speaker 4: And like I said, you're telling us a story is

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Speaker 4: going to people going to listen to that and resonate

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Speaker 4: or find something from that that gives them the strength

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Speaker 4: to maybe turn around and look at their habits and

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Speaker 4: their drinking and their addictions. So we appreciate you sort

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Speaker 4: of giving us that whole story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, I don't look.

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Speaker 2: It was I haven't spoken about it before, but I

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Speaker 2: know that knowing people like particularly in entertainment, actors and

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Speaker 2: whatnot that had talked about it a bit that helped me. Man,

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Speaker 2: it did inspire me, you know, athletes and whatnot, and

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I would you know, one of my mentors

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Speaker 2: said to me, it'd be great for you to talk

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Speaker 2: about it because you could help. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think especially if you're someone like yourself where you're

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Speaker 1: the only friend in that circle who's not drinking. It's

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Speaker 1: so isolating, feels like you're the only one. So to

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Speaker 1: know that someone else is doing it alongside and doing

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Speaker 1: it successfully, Yeah, it has a huge impact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure for me that it's been a bloody good chat

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Speaker 1: has been you are. I'm sure there's no surprise. You're

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Speaker 1: a very good storyteller.

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Speaker 3: Matt gives one last question, which I think is appropriate.

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Speaker 1: When your kids are grown up, and unfortunately there may

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Speaker 1: be the time. Maybe not. Maybe they'll live with you forever.

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Speaker 1: But if there does come a time where they fly

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Speaker 1: away from the nest, they're no longer living under the

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Speaker 1: one roof with you. What's the one thing you would

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Speaker 1: want them to remember about the house they grew up in.

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Speaker 2: Just freedom, that sounds enough. Just silliness, you know, silliness, love, warmth, safe, safety,

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Speaker 2: you know, and just freedom to be whatever they want.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's really really important to me and Lisa.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, just the laughter. Man, we laugh every day.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you got.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing like that laughter, the cuddles, and I

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Speaker 2: know that the cuddle is going to stop. I'm already

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Speaker 2: fearful of that, you know.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was watching this scene from Peter Pan

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Speaker 1: where the Robin Williams the mum was saying, they'll come

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Speaker 1: a time where they no longer want to play with you.

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Speaker 1: And so when they and you're like.

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Speaker 4: Sh it's funny, like as dads and we all get

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Speaker 4: together and we sort of vent to each other as

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Speaker 4: well about the things they're doing. But then you're like,

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a time where they're not going

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Speaker 4: to do that stupid thing in front of you again, And.

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Speaker 3: You're like, stupid thing.

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Speaker 4: So I think your your answer there with freedom is

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Speaker 4: someone we haven't had, I don't think, which is amazing

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Speaker 4: because I can imagine, you know, even our generation, the

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Speaker 4: previous generation, there wasn't probably a lot of freedom to

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Speaker 4: be who you want to be all the time. So

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Speaker 4: I think spreading that message for the next generation to be,

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Speaker 4: to do and feel and act and be who they

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Speaker 4: want to be is such an important mass.

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Speaker 2: Be sure. Look, I don't want it to make it

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Speaker 2: sound like the you know, the kids run the house.

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Speaker 2: They do, but it's but there is, there's still boundaries

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Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, But it's just freedom

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Speaker 2: to be themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Are the sillier they are, the more comfortable they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's very true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. When yeah, yeah, when actually comes home and he's loopy,

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Speaker 4: it's because he feels safe there, absolutely, And when he's

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Speaker 4: a bit shy outside.

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Speaker 3: And we're out with other people, you know that he's

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I appreciate you coming on today and thank against

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Speaker 4: that array of different stories and it was amazing and

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, I really appreciate When can we When will there

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Speaker 1: be an update on what feature films can we give

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Speaker 1: any like one month, two months, six months.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully there's there's a couple of things we're working on. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so there could be. Yeah, there could be some news

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Speaker 2: in the next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: We will keep waiting with breath.

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Speaker 2: Yes, hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Thank you on the back of it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: There's always more to destroy. That line where he said

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Speaker 1: you should never trust and man that doesn't dream and

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Speaker 1: that bit hard. That's like as a kid growing up,

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Speaker 1: that was a narrative that I was told all the time.

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Speaker 3: You have that or never trust anyone.

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Speaker 2: Mad.

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely crazy that a generation before us were brought

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Speaker 4: up thinking that it was not cool.

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Speaker 1: It also makes you realize how careful you need to

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Speaker 1: be when speaking from your kids. A little sponges. But

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Speaker 1: if you or someone you know is struggling with alcohol

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Speaker 1: or any other addictions, should, for that matter, make sure

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Speaker 1: you check out the show notes that your list of

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Speaker 1: really helpful with will you there? And if you've enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode ash, where should you Go?

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