WEBVTT - Why are there astronauts stuck in space?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the Daily This is the Daily ohs oh,

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<v Speaker 2>now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Friday, the thirteenth of September, an unlucky day,

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<v Speaker 2>some would say, I'm Billy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Zara.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past few months, you may have seen headlines

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<v Speaker 2>that two astronauts are currently stuck in space. Now, to

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, NASA and Boeing have really tried to deny

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<v Speaker 2>that these astronauts are stuck or stranded or whatever word

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<v Speaker 2>you want to use that implies they aren't able to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do know one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The two astronauts were only meant to be in for

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<v Speaker 2>eight days, but now they will be there for.

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<v Speaker 3>At least eight months.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did all of this unfold? We are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the bottom of it in today's Deep Dive.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get there, Zara. What is making headlines today.

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<v Speaker 1>A group of defense personnel who led Australian commands in

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<v Speaker 1>Afghanistan have been stripped of their service medals. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>after the twenty twenty two Brereton Inquiry found evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>alleged war crimes within Australia's Special Forces from twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty sixteen. Ben Roberts Smith was among those investigated

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<v Speaker 1>by the inquiry, which identified the unlawful killing of thirty

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<v Speaker 1>nine people in Afghanistan by or involving the Australian Defense Force.

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<v Speaker 1>The inquiry recommended several leaders have their Defense service medals revoked.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, Defense Minister Richard Miles wrote to a group

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<v Speaker 1>of EIGHTYF commanders notifying them that they would be stripped

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<v Speaker 1>of their honors over the alleged war crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine CEO Mike'snesby has announced he will step down from

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<v Speaker 2>the position at the end of the month. In a

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<v Speaker 2>statement to the ASX, Sneezbey said quote, it has been

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<v Speaker 2>a privilege to lead this business, but now is the

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<v Speaker 2>right time to hand over to a new leader. Sneezbee

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<v Speaker 2>was appointed to the role three.

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<v Speaker 3>And a half years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>His departure comes after nine announced it was cutting two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred jobs, mostly in the publishing division earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Current Chief Finance and Strategy Officer Matt Stanton will act

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<v Speaker 2>as the CEO from next month while the search for

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<v Speaker 2>a permanent replacement takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>The US government has announced new security measures for the

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<v Speaker 1>certification process of its next president in response to the

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<v Speaker 1>January six riots. The attack on the US Capitol in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one aimed to stop the certification of President

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<v Speaker 1>Biden after he beat Trump in the twenty twenty election.

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<v Speaker 1>The Secret Service has confirmed that the twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>inauguration process, which will see either Kamla Harris or Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump confirmed as US president, will have heightened security. A

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<v Speaker 1>statement from the Federal Law Enforcement Agency said the measures

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<v Speaker 1>are part of an effort to quote ensure the safety

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<v Speaker 1>and security of the event and its participants.

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<v Speaker 2>And today's good news, an American cyclist has become the

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<v Speaker 2>fastest woman to circumvent the world by bike. It took

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<v Speaker 2>ultracyclists Lalel Willcox one hundred and eight days, twelve hours,

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<v Speaker 2>and twelve minutes to cover an area of nearly thirty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand kilometers. Willcox beat a twenty eighteen record set by

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<v Speaker 2>Scottish cyclist Jenny Graham By sixteen days after finishing the

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<v Speaker 2>journey in Chicago, the new world record holder said she

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<v Speaker 2>felt like she could have just kept riding forever.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Billy, I have completely and utterly missed this story.

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<v Speaker 1>And normally that would be because I have just not

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<v Speaker 1>had time to read up on it. I have actively

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<v Speaker 1>ignored this story because and some soclabaturing a full podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes me feel so claustrophobic thinking about this story. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to let you indulge and let me know

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about these astronauts who are stuck in space.

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<v Speaker 1>But for people like me who perhaps have been keeping

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<v Speaker 1>away from this story, whether consciously or subconsciously, what have

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<v Speaker 1>they missed?

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<v Speaker 2>I fear I'm only going to make you feel more claustrophobe. Excellent,

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<v Speaker 2>so hopefully not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So this all starts with Boeing, who you will likely

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<v Speaker 2>recognize as the US plane manufacturer who are behind many

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<v Speaker 2>of the world's commercial flights. Now, as you probably know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have had a bit of a rough year so euphemism, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>adore on one of their aircraft fell off. They also

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<v Speaker 2>had their CEO quit. They've just been at the center

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<v Speaker 2>of several different stories, mainly around safety concerns of their aircraft. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that we are talking about them today is

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<v Speaker 2>because of what they're trying to do in space. So

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing revolves around Boeing wanting to test their

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<v Speaker 2>first crude spacecraft. So they wanted to send peop people

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<v Speaker 2>into space on one of their own spacecrafts for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, and the intention of the launch was to

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<v Speaker 2>test if Boeing's spacecraft, which is called Starliner, could become

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<v Speaker 2>a safe, reliable, and sustainable way to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>International Space Station.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about the International Space Station

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<v Speaker 1>in the second. I don't want to get too stuck

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<v Speaker 1>into this, but I would say that it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be said. Someone has to say that they have been

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<v Speaker 1>in the news a lot this year because of safety

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, and now they are in the news for

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<v Speaker 1>safety in space. And I'll just leave that there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, move on, I had to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it was you were not made.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you mentioned they're the International Space Station.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that? Yeah, some people might not be too

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the International Space Station because it's certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>close to home for any of us. So it's basically

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<v Speaker 2>just a really large spacecraft that orbits Earth. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a fact before that it orbits Earth every ninety minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's going very fast, very very fast. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is where astronauts basically just live in space. It's as

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<v Speaker 2>big as a football field and it can house a

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<v Speaker 2>crew of six people plus visitors, so really large. They

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<v Speaker 2>basically eat there, they sleep there, they go to the

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<v Speaker 2>toilet there, they can go to the gym there, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically its own little community and people have been

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<v Speaker 2>living there in space since the first crew arrived in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and so Boeing is sending their first crewed spacecraft there.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are the people on board this spacecraft?

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<v Speaker 2>So there were two astronauts on board. Their names are

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Wilmore who is also known as Butch, and also

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<v Speaker 2>Sanita Williams. They are NASA astronauts, So essentially Boeing provides

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<v Speaker 2>the spacecraft and NASA provides the astronauts. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>both of their third times venturing to the International Space Station,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're basically veterans of the industry. Now, this story

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<v Speaker 2>actually begins a long time ago. NASA first awarded a

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<v Speaker 2>contract two Boeing in twenty fourteen, so ten years ago

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<v Speaker 2>to provide crew transport vehicles to the International Space Station. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there have been lots of things that have happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the past decade, but we're going to pick the story

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<v Speaker 2>up this year. When the star Liner was first meant

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<v Speaker 2>to launch in May. Now, that launch failed, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was then followed by a second launch attempt on the

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<v Speaker 2>first of June, and that also failed. But then on

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth of June, so we're talking fifth of June

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<v Speaker 2>this year, the launch was finally successful.

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<v Speaker 4>Three two one ignition and liftoff of Starliner and Atlas

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<v Speaker 4>five caring two American heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>And the astronauts landed at the International Space Station just

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<v Speaker 2>days after they launched, and it was live streamed at

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Lots of cheering here in the realm. Big hugs Sunny

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<v Speaker 5>William coming through in her blue flight suit and followed

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<v Speaker 5>shortly behind by commander of Starliner, Butcher Wilmore.

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<v Speaker 3>Now back on the space station, the third visit for

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<v Speaker 3>both astronauts and.

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<v Speaker 2>The first crude flight test of the Starliner spacecraft. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish listeners could see the footage of them arriving at

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<v Speaker 2>the International Space Station. You can literally just see how

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<v Speaker 2>happy they are to have safely arrived. They literally dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>They're snapping their fingers, They're being embraced by.

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<v Speaker 4>Listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't see, but Sara just decided to snap their fingers cue.

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<v Speaker 2>They are being embraced by the astronauts who are already there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just a really joyous moment, and they

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<v Speaker 2>looked quite relieved again to arrive safely. Now at this stage,

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<v Speaker 2>Sinita and Butch thought that they would be there for

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<v Speaker 2>about a week. Spoiler they were not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I haven't felt claustrophobic at any point yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I fear that we are entering that territory very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>How long after that moment that you just played did

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<v Speaker 1>these two astronauts first understand that something wasn't right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the whole time it always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of seemed like nothing was kind of going to plan

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<v Speaker 2>for Boeing. Like I said before, they had two failed

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<v Speaker 2>launchers before they were even able to leave Earth, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's only this year. There have been several issues in

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<v Speaker 2>the past decade, but when they were on their way

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<v Speaker 2>from Earth to the International Space Station, more issues arose.

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<v Speaker 2>So whilst they were traveling, NASA and Boeing identified helium

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<v Speaker 2>leaks and also issues with the reaction control thrusters. Now

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<v Speaker 2>full transparency. You might not know this sor up, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually not an engineer's shocking, So I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to explain what exactly that means. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think all we need to know is is not good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not safe for them to come home at

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<v Speaker 2>that point as was planned, and so their return to

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<v Speaker 2>Earth starts to get delayed, and then it gets delayed again,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it got delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, and so it's at that point the media starts

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up on this story and starts to report

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<v Speaker 1>that the astronauts are stuck in space, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the media was definitely quick to raise questions

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<v Speaker 2>about if these astronauts were stuck in space, but NASA

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<v Speaker 2>and Boeing really quickly denied this one seeing in NASA

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<v Speaker 2>employee Stephen Hershan, he called it outright sensationalism from the

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<v Speaker 2>media and said that they were only extending the mission

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<v Speaker 2>to collect more data. And they basically said journalists are

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<v Speaker 2>not engineers and so they don't really know what they

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about. Now, in July, one thing that they

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<v Speaker 2>did to prove that the astronauts were okay was hold

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<v Speaker 2>a press conference. They can hold press conferences from space

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't know, so Sanita and Butsch took questions

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<v Speaker 2>from journalists from space.

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<v Speaker 6>We've been thoroughly busy up here, integrated right into the crew.

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<v Speaker 6>Every about once a week we get to jump into

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<v Speaker 6>Starliner and talk to our control team there and work

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<v Speaker 6>through all the new. Nuances are that they're working very

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<v Speaker 6>hard on the ground to make sure that we will

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<v Speaker 6>be able to come home before.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, that was in July, and at that point

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that they would be returning within weeks, and

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<v Speaker 2>they also thought that they would be returning on the

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<v Speaker 2>star Liner. So the messaging was basically, we're just fixing

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<v Speaker 2>a few things, but we'll see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, okay. And so what happened from.

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<v Speaker 2>There so next, so basically going through a timeline here.

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<v Speaker 2>So then in August, Boeing and NASA announced that the

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<v Speaker 2>star Liner will be returning home in early September, but

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<v Speaker 2>without Butcher and Sneda. So Butch and Santa will be

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<v Speaker 2>staying in space, but the star Liner is umming yay,

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<v Speaker 2>And they basically just said, and I'm paraphrasing, this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>their exact wording, but they said it wasn't safe for

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<v Speaker 2>the astronauts to return on the star Liner and that

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to take that risk. So the new

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<v Speaker 2>plan was for star Liner to come home and then

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<v Speaker 2>for a different spacecraft, one owned by Elon Musk's SpaceX,

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<v Speaker 2>would be sent to then pick them up. Just days

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<v Speaker 2>after they announced that, we then find out that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the astronauts, Butch, he is hearing a weird noise

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the star Liner.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a strange noise coming through the speaker.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's making it, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>for something that's maybe connected between.

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<v Speaker 4>Here and there making that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can configure that.

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<v Speaker 4>Butcher, give us a minute and I'll call you back

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<v Speaker 4>when it's ready.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Butch, that one came through so eerie.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if I was at home by myself

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard that, that his torture, I would hate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine being in space and hearing that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like when a fire alarm goes off in your

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<v Speaker 1>office but it's not a real emergency, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>just have to sit through it. That's what that sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I imagine that's why they are probably astronauts,

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<v Speaker 2>because they probably come in those situations.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>NASA later said about a week later that the noise

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<v Speaker 2>had stopped and that it was common to experience noise,

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<v Speaker 2>and they basically said they weren't any large concerns there.

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<v Speaker 1>I must say that, you know, I think for us

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<v Speaker 1>this all feels so novel and so new, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these people spend their whole lives preparing for experiences like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and we now just have so much more access and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more information, you know, to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>hear sounds like that, and I'm sure astronauts have been

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<v Speaker 1>hearing that, you know, every time, or at least some

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. I do want to just pick back

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<v Speaker 1>up on the timeline that you're mentioning. So you said

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<v Speaker 1>that the astronauts were going to be staying in space,

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<v Speaker 1>but the star liner was going to be returning. Has

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<v Speaker 1>it returned yet?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, this week the star liner arrived safely back on

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<v Speaker 2>Earth in New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Star liner has touched down.

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<v Speaker 2>So star liners safely landed. But the astronauts they are

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<v Speaker 2>still in space.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone's not been listening to this whole podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>there's you know, starting to focus just now at the

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<v Speaker 1>very end, is the too long didn't read of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that the astronauts are stuck in space?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it literally depends what your definition

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<v Speaker 2>of stuck is.

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<v Speaker 1>My definition of stuck is being in space with no

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<v Speaker 1>way of getting back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean NASA's narrow mind. I mean, NASA absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>has not used that language or anything close to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are still kind of just saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>media is blowing this out of proportion. And they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>that this was always a test, and that tests are

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<v Speaker 2>never completely safe, and that they were kind of prepared

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<v Speaker 2>for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, though, if I was sent on a work

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<v Speaker 2>trip for eight days and I wasn't able to come

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<v Speaker 2>home for eight months, you bet I would be saying

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuck or convenient for us too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd be saying I was strounded, you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>word described that I'm not able to come home, like

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<v Speaker 2>I literally cannot get home.

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<v Speaker 1>But those astronauts they aren't using that language either. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's us normies on Earth who are like projecting

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<v Speaker 1>onto these people who fully understand the risks that they

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<v Speaker 1>have taken and are okay with how it's played out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's us normies, but also maybe just us journalists

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<v Speaker 2>in the media like you and I Zara. I think

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<v Speaker 2>NASA would say that we're part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, are we expecting them still to return

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<v Speaker 1>in February?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's absolutely the plan for them to be home

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<v Speaker 2>early next year. I think no matter what, whenever they

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<v Speaker 2>do get home and when they do safely return home, there.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be a very warm welcome for them, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy. Thank you for explaining that in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make me feel deeply uncomfortable.

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