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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, the thirteenth of September, an unlucky day,

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Speaker 2: some would say, I'm Billy.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Zara.

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Speaker 2: Over the past few months, you may have seen headlines

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Speaker 2: that two astronauts are currently stuck in space. Now, to

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Speaker 2: be clear, NASA and Boeing have really tried to deny

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Speaker 3: But we do know one thing.

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Speaker 2: The two astronauts were only meant to be in for

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Speaker 3: At least eight months.

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Speaker 2: So how did all of this unfold? We are going

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Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of it in today's Deep Dive.

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Speaker 3: But before we get there, Zara. What is making headlines today.

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Speaker 1: A group of defense personnel who led Australian commands in

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Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty two Brereton Inquiry found evidence of

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Speaker 1: The inquiry recommended several leaders have their Defense service medals revoked.

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Speaker 1: That's like when a fire alarm goes off in your

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Speaker 1: I must say that, you know, I think for us

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean NASA's narrow mind. I mean, NASA absolutely

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Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But I'd be saying I was strounded, you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: But those astronauts they aren't using that language either. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's us normies, but also maybe just us journalists

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Speaker 1: On that note, are we expecting them still to return

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely the plan for them to be home

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Speaker 3: Will be a very warm welcome for them, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Billy. Thank you for explaining that in a way that

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