1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: Jemna, Emma Gillespie, editor in chief at The Daily Oz, 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: and everyone's talking about Nobody's Girl. This is the posthumous 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: book written by Virginia Virginia Giufrey. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, this week we've had that book released posthumously. Of course, 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, jones Us, Virginia Gufrey, the woman who 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: has long accused Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew of rape 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: and sex trafficking. She died earlier this year by suicide 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: at the age of forty one, but she leaves behind 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: this book, which is this raw account of you know, 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: detailing a life of abuse and the systems that failed her. 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 3: It was co written with a journalist called Amy Wallace, 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: who said that Jufrey insisted the book be released no 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: matter what happened to her, even if she passed away. 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: And it opens kind of by directly addressing the fact 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: that it's going to be a hard read for the audience. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: She says, I know it's a lot to take in, 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: but please don't stop reading. That's how it all starts. 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: And then, you know, describes years of sexual abuse, first 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: as a child Virginia Guprey ledge as her father abused her. 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: He denies that, and then we move into the sex 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: trafficking as a teenager, she alleges by Jeffrey Epstein and 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: Glaine Maxwell. 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: She was a perfect target for them because of her vulnerability. 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: Exactly which the kind of setup of learning more about 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: her childhood I think paints a new picture of what 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: she had been through to that point. But Glaine Maxwell, 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: she said, was a molestor with posh manners and an 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: aristocratic pedigree, who groomed her and recruited her at Marra Lago, 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: the Trump owned resort. Giffrey writes she was haunted by 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: Epstein and Maxwell right through her life. She still feared 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 3: them both, but she said the worst of it wasn't 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 3: the physical abuse. She said, it was the psychological abuse 34 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: from the start. They manipulated me into participating in behaviors 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: that ate away at me, eroding my ability to comprehend reality, 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: preventing me from defending myself. She believed she might die 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: a sex slave all these years now. Of course, it 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: was the Epstein friendship with Prince Andrew that has been 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: the subject of all of this debate and tension and 40 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: controversy over the last ten years. The memoir describes when 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: Virginia met Prince Andrew. She said he was friendly enough 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: but still entitled, as if he believed having sex with 43 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: me was his birthright. Now the royal family obviously knew 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: this memoir was coming out. We had some leaked emails 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: over the weekend in the sort of fallout of Prince 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: Andrew denouncing his ties or his royal titles. I suppose 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: he's the Dukedom, the dukedom. He's kept the princedom, but 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: he's ditched the dukedom. Leaked emails that suggest he was 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: in cahoots with his security and police trying to dig 50 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: up dirt on Virginia Drew Fray. Obviously it has to 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: be said these are all alleged wrongdoings. He's continued to 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,559 Speaker 3: deny any involvement or that he even ever met Virginia. 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: Although he did pay her a lot of money. 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: Exactly he settled with her out of court some years ago, 55 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: but has never admitted. 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: To any Look at that if you someone had an 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: accusation towards me and that I'd never met them, I 58 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: wouldn't pay them many money. 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: But also, isn't there an email that's been revealed that 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: he sent to Jeffrey Epstein when that photo came out 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: of him with Virginia Guffray Giffrey, where he says, oh, well, 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess we're both in this. Let's together. He doesn't 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: deny that the photograph exists, which he has since. 64 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: And the emails are so damning that we're leaked over 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: the weekend that the Met Police in London are investigating there, 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: taking that very seriously and they're looking into it so 67 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: they could yet be criminal charges to come for Prince Andrew. 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: Wow. 69 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 3: But there's massive scrutiny now in the UK. You know 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: what the tabloids are like there. They're really going for him. 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: With this posthumous memoir coming out. It's been revealed that 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: he's still living at the Royal Lodge in Winsor, this 73 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: thirty bedroom mansion where apparently he's paying one pound a 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: year in rent as part of a seventy five year 75 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: lease that allows him to stay there until twenty seventy eight. 76 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Even the other Royals pay rent and he doesn't. 77 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: Well exactly, So the push now is to get him 78 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: out of the house. Apparently there's a group of MPs 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: and politicians in UK Parliament saying we need to legally 80 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: strip him of the titles, including Prince. So even though 81 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: he's voluntarily ditched the dukedom and the other random titles 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: that no one's ever heard of over here, he still 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: kind of legally has a claim. So MPs there want 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: that to be dealt with in Parliament. I mean, it's 85 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: causing massive headaches for King Charles. Apparently William was the 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 3: one who really pushed him to get this done now. 87 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: But I think this is really just the beginning of 88 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: a new chapter of this scandal for the royal family 89 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: and for Prince Andrew. 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: That Prince the King is palming it all off. Prince William, 91 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: he's putting that. 92 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: All I want to say is a modern monarchy. We 93 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: do a lot of work in sexual trafficking, et cetera. 94 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: We cannot have Andrew being the centerpiece. 95 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, the royal family, they can't have this long list 96 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: of what's his face, royals that aren't doing any work 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: in the public community, on the. 98 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Public Excuse me, that's Prince Wat's his face. M thank you. 99 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to reading this book. It's going to 100 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: be a hard going but fascinating Thank you. M Gillespie. 101 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: There