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Speaker 1: You have just heard from the minister about the mobile

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Speaker 1: phone band in schools, So what's the reaction been from

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Speaker 1: parents and those involved in the sector. Well, joining me

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Speaker 1: on the line is the President of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Council of Government Schools Organizations, Tabby Fudge.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Tabby.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Tabby. What was your reaction to this band?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we were very very pleased to hear Minister Lawla

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Speaker 3: announced the band yesterday. It's something that we have been

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Speaker 3: advocating for some time because you know, we've had several

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Speaker 3: mini families, schools and school representative bodies or the councils

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Speaker 3: and boards ask us to advocate for a ban on

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Speaker 3: mobile phones and up until next year, the use of

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Speaker 3: phones has always been up to individual schools to determine

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Speaker 3: the policy and to enforce that policy. In our September

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Speaker 3: meeting with Minister law which was our first meeting with

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Speaker 3: her back as Education Minister, we spoke about our concerns

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Speaker 3: regarding you know, the illegal use essentially of mobile phones

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Speaker 3: being used to film, you know, highly inappropriate behaviors and

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Speaker 3: then being posted to social media. And Minisolola has taken

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Speaker 3: that on board and comes forward with this wonderful policy

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Speaker 3: that will be implemented as a term one next year.

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Speaker 1: Tabby, what kind of incidents are you sort of talking about?

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Speaker 1: I know you might not be able to go into

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Speaker 1: much detail, but what kind of thing was happening?

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Speaker 3: Well, as you've been discussing on radio, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: been children with the students filming fights and things like that,

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Speaker 3: you know, and then posting them to social media. You know,

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Speaker 3: and this is entirely inappropriate, and this is not good

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Speaker 3: for anyone, you know, at least of all the students

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Speaker 3: who are who are doing that. You know, it's illegal,

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Speaker 3: it's not appropriate. It needs to be stopped. And if

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Speaker 3: we had ban pines from being used in schooling, recess

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Speaker 3: and lunchtime particularly, this should hopefully put a bit of

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Speaker 3: a lead on this kind of really really inappropriate behavior.

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Speaker 2: Tabby, I know I did touch on this yesterday as well.

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Speaker 1: I know that there are pages on the likes of

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Speaker 1: Instagram fights, you know, like fights pages for specific schools,

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Speaker 1: also crush pages, you know, if somebody's got a crush

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Speaker 1: on somebody posting photos or posting their names, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of seeing if the other like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how it works, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: but but you know i'd been alluded to it. Is

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Speaker 1: this something that's been raised with you guys by parents.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, the filming of fights. Absolutely, there has been problems

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Speaker 3: with filming in toilets as well, So you know, it

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Speaker 3: is it is across the board, you know. It is

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Speaker 3: that you know, inappropriate filming of you know, other students

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Speaker 3: who don't want to be filmed, at members who should

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Speaker 3: not be getting filmed, of other parents being filmed. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is you know, aside from being highly inappropriate, it's

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Speaker 3: also illegal. So you know, if we take this you know,

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Speaker 3: opportunity away from students, you know, and we must very

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Speaker 3: you know mine too that this is a small percentage

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Speaker 3: of kids for doing this. This is not the majority

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Speaker 3: of kids. So you know, if we put a band

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Speaker 3: in place, this will go some way to addressing this

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Speaker 3: inappropriate behavior.

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Speaker 1: Tabby, do you reckon it's going to be hard to

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Speaker 1: enforce or do you think that it's going to be

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Speaker 1: quite simple for those schools to actually be able to

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Speaker 1: carry this out.

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Speaker 3: I think it will come with challenges. We have seen

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Speaker 3: a lot of success come out of Victoria's. So I

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Speaker 3: imagine our Department of Education will work with the Department

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Speaker 3: of Education in Victoria for what has worked for them

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Speaker 3: and what they've had problems with. You know, it's not

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Speaker 3: like we're going out here, you know, first cap off

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Speaker 3: the rank kind thing. You know, other regions have already

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Speaker 3: had this in place for a couple of years, So

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Speaker 3: we can learn from what they've found with, you know,

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Speaker 3: successes and challenges and go forward like that. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think in primary schools it will be a lot

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Speaker 3: easier because I think existing in piling primary schools already,

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Speaker 3: you know, the children put their fines in the message

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Speaker 3: bag in the morning, off, it goes to the off

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Speaker 3: and it comes back in the afternoon. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: there will be challenges in more so, probably middle school.

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Speaker 3: I was speaking with the principle this morning who has

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Speaker 3: come from South Australia, and when they implemented the band

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Speaker 3: they ended up getting individual lockers for students as the

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Speaker 3: best way going forward. We'll just have to wait and

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Speaker 3: see how it all pans out.

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Speaker 2: Really, I suppose, yeah, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: It may be different at some schools to what it

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Speaker 1: is at others.

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Speaker 2: Tavy with this band.

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Speaker 1: Does there also need to be though more education for

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Speaker 1: kids about how to treat each other online? Or do

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Speaker 1: you feel so schools are already adequately doing that and

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Speaker 1: parents need to step up as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there isn't a really good opportunity here for parents

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Speaker 3: to be partnering with schools. And you know, essentially, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is a really big part of the parents space too.

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Speaker 3: You know, parents need to encourage their children to to

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Speaker 3: do the right thing by each other and treat others

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Speaker 3: as you would like to be treated yourself, And you

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Speaker 3: know that it really is part of that parent responsibility

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Speaker 3: when it comes to things like mobile science.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's just such a whole new world, isn't it

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Speaker 1: these days? You know, At the risk of sounding like

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Speaker 1: an old person, Tabby, you know, back in our day,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have to worry about this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm so old that I remember Marvel cards and.

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Speaker 1: A thing wrong with that, Tabby. Oh look, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning. I always appreciate you having

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Speaker 1: your chat with us, and please to keep us up

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Speaker 1: to date with how things roll out. But on the

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Speaker 1: face of it, this does seem like a really good

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Speaker 1: move by the government absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And the research shows is coming in from out of

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Speaker 3: other jurisdictions in Australia that student outcomes improve, you know,

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Speaker 3: academically over six percent, you know, and that's even more

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Speaker 3: so for those kids who really need it, so, you know,

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Speaker 3: as well as the social and emotional benefits of you know,

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Speaker 3: having you know, some of those poorer elements taken away

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Speaker 3: from the inappropriate use of mobile phone. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's only going to be a positive. It will probably

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Speaker 3: have its teething problems, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I think it's all for the best.

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Speaker 1: Well, Tabby Fudge, always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, have a wonderful day everyone, you too,