1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: the seventeenth of May. 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Billy. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You may have seen that it is currently Fashion Week. 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: I know that I have not seen any other content 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: this week and it's definitely an exciting time for Australia's 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: fashion industry, showcasing the talents of some of the country's 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: best homegrown designers. Now, we're not here to take away 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: from that excitement, but we're hoping to add to that 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: conversation by talking about sustainability. How do we reconcile the 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: need for businesses to make money by new trends coming 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: through with the need for a more sustainable fashion industry. 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Today on the podcast, Billy is going to speak to 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: sustainable fashion educator Nina Gabort to answer all of our 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: questions before we get to that deep divert Billy, what's 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: making headlines. 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: The unemployment rate, which is the percentage of people who 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: were looking for work but couldn't find any, rose from 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: three point nine to four point one percent in April, 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: according to seasonally adjusted Australian Bureau of statistics data. Seasonal 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: adjustment means the ABS has removed the effects of calendar 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: specific patterns like fruit picking in summer or Christmas casuals 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: in retail in December. 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: The Federal Police have launched an investigation after an Australian 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: e script provider was attacked in a large scale ransomware 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: data breach. Medi Secures said patient personal and health information 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: was leaked during the incident. The electronic prescription provider suggested 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: the cyber attack originated from one of its third party vendors. 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: The National Cybersecurity Coordinator is coordinating their response with the federal, 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: state and territory government agencies. 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: Twenty one crew member remained stranded on a cargo ship 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: in the US more than six weeks after their vessel 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: collided with a Baltimore bridge, causing it to collapse. I'm 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: sure many of you remember that footage. Six construction workers 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: were killed when the bridge collapsed in March. A power 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: outage was blamed for the incident. A group of Indian 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 3: and Sri Lankan crew members haven't been able to leave 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: the ship since due to visa restrictions and ongoing investigations. 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: A preliminary report from the US Transport Safety Body found 42 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: the ship experienced multiple electrical faults in the days before 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: the collision. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: And today's good news, Australia has been announced as the 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: host nation of the twenty twenty six Women's Asian Cup. 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: While Australia was the only country to submit a bid 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: to host the tournament, you know what you have to 48 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: be in it to win it, the head of the 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: Asian Football Confederations said. The Asian Football family joins me 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: in reinforcing our confidence in football Australia to elevate the 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: ever evolving stature and growth of women's football in Asia. 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: Hey I'm Nish and I'm the lead developer at the 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: Daly Odds. I'm responsible for developing all the tech that 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: we use, from the website to the newsletter in just 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: two seconds. You can help the Daily Odds grow just 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: by clicking follow on Apple or Spotify, and if you 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 4: want to leave us a review, that also helps a 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: lot too. Thank you and now back to the deep dive. 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: Nita Goodball, thank you so much for joining the Daily Ods. 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. This is incredibly exciting. 61 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 3: So it is currently Fashion Week and you were there 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: last night. 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: How was that. 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it was amazing. It was just so 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: amazing to see all the different styles and expressions of 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 5: individuality and creativity and of course trends, and the vibe 67 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: was just electric. So I enjoyed it. 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: That sounds incredible. 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: It's such an amazing moment for the fashion industry, and 70 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm interested in how we talk about sustainability in that conversation. 71 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: You know, we're seeing lots of these new trends that 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: people will obviously be influenced to go by. How do 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: we line that up with a sustainable future fashion industry 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: when these new trends are constantly emerging. 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 5: So I coined this phrase called the fashion trendmill, which 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 5: kind of explains about how, for I'd probably say about 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 5: a century or so, we've been influenced by fashion trends 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 5: where we're told what to where, when and for how long. 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 5: And then as time went on, the trends got shorter, shorter, shorter. 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 5: We had fast fashion, now we have ultra fast fashion, 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 5: and pretty soon we're gonna have supersonic fast fashion, right 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 5: because the trends just keep getting shorter, and with micro 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: trends on TikTok and so on, and it's just pushing 84 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 5: us to buy bye bye spence, spend spend to the 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 5: point where we're not even using a lot of our stuff, right, 86 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: and there's so much waste attributed to that. Right. And 87 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 5: in terms of fashion brands, particularly in Austria, we know 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 5: that they're businesses. They have to profit understandably, and we 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 5: want to support them. However, you know, there are different 90 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 5: models that we can create where it's not just fashion 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 5: trend by use for a short period and throwaway. We 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 5: can recycle or reuse a lot of the stuff that's 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 5: already existing. We can use materials that are already in existence. 94 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 5: And instead of having short lived trends, let's just make 95 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: it like there's no trends, because trends don't fully express 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 5: who we are in the moment. 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: It's so interesting. 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: When I was preparing for this interview, I was thinking 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: maybe I should ask is there ever a world in 100 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: which trends don't exist? And then I thought, maybe that's 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: too ambitious. But it sounds like you don't think it's 102 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: too ambitious. 103 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: It is ambitious. I'm not going to lie, but it's 104 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: not impossible, right. I always give what I call the 105 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 5: great example of like when we had the pandemic back 106 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 5: twenty twenty. Look how quickly the world changed, like almost overnight, 107 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 5: you know, and it created new systems, new careers, and 108 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 5: new ways of existing. So we don't have to wait 109 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 5: until there's like some kind of climate catastrophe or something 110 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 5: happens in the world before we change behaviors that we 111 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 5: know are not good for our culture, that are not 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: good for our systems. So in terms of trends, I 113 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 5: know that it's not just fashion, it's everything electronics and 114 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: automobiles and stuff like that. But if we want to 115 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 5: be sustainable, we're going to just going to have to 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 5: find alternative ways of enjoying new designs and new things, 117 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 5: but in healthier ways, and trends, unfortunately as we have 118 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 5: them today, don't serve that purpose. 119 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: And you talked before about the fact that you think 120 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: that there are a few models that the fashion brands 121 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: could go down in order to improve their sustainability. 122 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: Can you explain more. 123 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: About that, because, like you said, obviously these brands are 124 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: businesses and they need to turn a profit. So what 125 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: are the kind of solutions that they can take that 126 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: still align with their need as a business. 127 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 5: Okay, so some businesses they produce with good quality. So 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 5: for example, you know what fast fashion, it has something 129 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 5: called planned obsolescence where you wash it a few times 130 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 5: and it fades or it's just not you know, or 131 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: you wear it once and equality is not there anymore 132 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 5: after that. So that's called planned ops. 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: And when you say planned do you mean. 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: It's designed to fail so that you keep buying and 135 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 5: buying and buying, right, which is why it's often made 136 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 5: with cheap fabrics. So we want to encourage people to 137 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 5: buy less fast fashion, but also encourage brands to produce 138 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 5: durable clothing, right, good quality clothing that lasts a long 139 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 5: periods of time. So there's that. But then with fashion, 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: particularly if you make good quality products, as people are 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 5: buying them, you can say, oh, this has a resale value. Right, 142 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: So as you're buying I don't know, the three hundred 143 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: dollars dress, if you know that there's a market for 144 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 5: secondhand of that brand because it has such a good 145 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 5: reputation for making quality clothing, you'll feel good about buying 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: it because you know that after you use it, you 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 5: can sell it and get a portion of that money back, 148 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: and somebody else will get it and love it and 149 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 5: use it and also pass it on right. So that's 150 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 5: one model that brands could be more sustainable. But it's 151 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 5: really critical that this is particular for big brands to 152 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: manufacture less because at the moment they're manufacturing too many 153 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: clothes and that's the problem with sustainability. 154 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: In the last decade, as we have become more aware 155 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: of the impacts of the fashion industry on global warming, 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: have we seen a shift in consumer behavior? 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: I wish I could say yes. I've been in this 158 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: sustainable fashion industry since I was like fifteen years old, 159 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: and to be honest with you, unfortunately not. In Australia, 160 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 5: we're the second biggest consumer of fashion and textiles in 161 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 5: the world after the US, So if you just wrap 162 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 5: your head around that for a second, and globally we're 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 5: manufacturing between one hundred to one hundred and fifty billion 164 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 5: garments a year. That's billion with a bee, and that's 165 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 5: in the whole world, and we're on a planet of 166 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: eight billion people. So it's not surprising that, you know, 167 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 5: I think it's about eighty four eighty seven percent of 168 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 5: it ends up in landfill every year because we can't 169 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 5: use the amount clothes that we're manufacturing, So the problem 170 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 5: is actually getting worse despite of the fact that we 171 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 5: are a lot of us are beginning to use more secondhand, 172 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: but we're still buying the ultra fast fashions, the Shean's 173 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: and the Tamus you know, at the same time. So 174 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: unfortunately it's actually getting worse. So we need legislation to 175 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 5: nip it in the bud. 176 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: I think I was going to say, when I think 177 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: about the fashion industry over the past decade, I think 178 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: about the rise of Shane, which just rips off these 179 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean, even these trends that we're seeing on the 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: runway this week. Unfortunately, I'm sure that we'll see a 181 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 3: lot of them ripped off by the cheap of fast 182 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: fashion brands. 183 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, Yes, Shean is expert, a master at ripping off 184 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 5: particularly small and medium sized brands, creative brands, you know. 185 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 5: So I think we should be super hyper vigilant about 186 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 5: protecting our makers, our designers, the Australian fashion industry as 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 5: a whole. 188 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: And I think the other thing to talk about in 189 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: this conversation is the cost of living crisis, because I 190 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: think a lot of younger people know what the right 191 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: decision is and they want to make that, you know, 192 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: green a choice, but they can't afford to what is 193 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: the solution between that disconnect? 194 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 5: She and TIMU are not the answer to that. You know. 195 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 5: The first thing people want to do is go op shopping, 196 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: and then a response to that is like, oh, op 197 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 5: shops are so expensive now, blah blah blah, And that's true, 198 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: they are. However, there's an alternative. So I've been running 199 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 5: clothes swaps for like thirteen years, right Basically, everyone brings 200 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 5: a specified number of items, let's say five to ten items, 201 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 5: your best quality items, not the stuff that's like horrible 202 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 5: fast fashion, and get rid of good stuff that you 203 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 5: just no longer need or use. And everyone brings those 204 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: items and you just have like a haul or a 205 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 5: shop or it could be run throughout the day or 206 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: several days where people come in and out and you 207 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: just take what you need to posit what you don't need, 208 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 5: and you can have a standard or quality of what 209 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 5: people can and can't bring or run a close walk. 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 5: You get free clothes, you give out stuff you don't need. 211 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 5: It doesn't cost anything, and that's what I encourage people 212 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 5: to do. You know, in addition to things like op shopping, 213 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 5: you know, buying secondhand online and so. 214 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: On, if people did want to buy new clothes, do 215 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: you think it is realistic for a large majority of 216 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: consumers to completely shift their perspective on buying something a 217 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: bit more expensive that will last longer over the cheap 218 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: thing that, like you said, is designed to fail. 219 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think, yeah, if you can afford it, 220 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 5: definitely go for something that will last longer. Also, something 221 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: for people to bear in mind is that when you 222 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 5: buy that cheap thing, know that somebody somewhere, any other 223 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 5: you know, probably in a different country, is paying potentially 224 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 5: with their lives, with their blood, with slavery. So that's 225 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 5: something to bear in mind when you're paying probably two 226 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: dollars for that top, but somebody's paid for it. You know, 227 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 5: what that top is worth is probably like thirty dollars 228 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 5: considering the labor and the material, even fifty. And if 229 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 5: you're paying two or five dollars, know that somebody else 230 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 5: is paying the balance, even though not financially. Then you 231 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 5: look at the environmental factor. You know a lot of 232 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 5: it is made of plastics, and plastics are bad for 233 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 5: our health. You the person that wears it, and you 234 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 5: know we have the issue of microplastics pullw in the 235 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 5: oceans and the soil. So there's a lot of factors 236 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 5: to consider in buying something that's cheap, so you are 237 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 5: better off. You can buy something that's well made, made 238 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: with good materials and made to last, that's durable, that's 239 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 5: going to last too longer. And it's hard because I mean, 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 5: throughout our lives, like we've been told, you know, the 241 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 5: next season's trends are. And I'm sure if you grew 242 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: up since you were a toddler hearing that on the 243 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: news or from stylists or designers. We've been dictated to 244 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 5: like how we should dress, how we should look, how 245 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 5: long we should wear it for. And you know you 246 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 5: have the fashion police that Lord help you if you 247 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 5: are not on trend this season. Oh my gosh. You 248 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 5: know you're there for crucifixion. So you know, we've been police. 249 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 5: We don't realize that we've been coerced into living thinking 250 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: that this is how we have to consume clothing, and 251 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 5: this is our relationship with clothing, which is it's not 252 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 5: the truth. 253 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm currently going through the process of selling all of 254 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: the clothes that I have stupidly bought for you know 255 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: one or two occasions, and I'm selling them all and 256 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: I'm never doing it again because it is literal just waste. 257 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: It is waste and unfortunate. In Australia, over two hundred 258 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 5: thousand tons of clothing goes to landfill every year. That's 259 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 5: how much we're wasting. So the average person buys about 260 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 5: I think it's fifty six items per year, which is 261 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 5: almost fifteen kilos, and yeah, a lot of that goes 262 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 5: to waste. 263 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: My last question, going back to fashion Week, in an 264 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: idea world, what does a sustainable fashion weake look like. 265 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 5: I think you don't have more secondhand stylists shows demonstrating 266 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 5: how you can use secondhand clothing or upcycled clothing or 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: repair stations. Right, so it's not just about how you 268 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 5: look in the moment and get rid of it, but 269 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: you know, making it cool to repair your own clothes 270 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 5: when they're damaged, making it cool to swap your own clothes. 271 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 5: So you'd have like a swap station, a repair station 272 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: or runway, and you could have a runway where you'd 273 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: have like secondhand clothes from you know, it could be 274 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 5: from an op shop or a consignment store or whatever. 275 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 5: Who have styled it in really cool ways. Just should 276 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 5: show people what you can do with like styles from 277 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: I don't know, like the early nineteen hundreds, mix it 278 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: up with modern trends. 279 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: That would be so cool. 280 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, just to show people how creative you can be. 281 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: There's literally enough clothes on the planet to last the 282 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 5: next six generations of humans. Wow, so your great great, 283 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 5: great great great great great brand kids, we'll have enough 284 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 5: clothes if we start producing right now. So using the 285 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 5: stuff that's already in existence in core, fun and creative ways, 286 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 5: I think that would make a phenomenal sustainable fashion week, 287 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: in addition to the brands who are manufacturing you as well. 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: N Nikolele, thank you so much for joining the Daily Ohs. 289 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 290 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: I love when our Friday episodes are a little bit 291 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: lighter but also managed to teach us something and that 292 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: episode was no exception. Thank you so much for joining 293 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: us today on the Daily OS. It's been another big 294 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: week in the news. 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