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Speaker 1: Time for the week that was, and joining us live

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning for the seal P Marie

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Speaker 1: Claire Boothby, Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you, Katy and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Thomas Morgan from the A b C. I

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Speaker 1: was about to say, your old employee.

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Speaker 3: From the ABC.

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Speaker 1: Political Reporter and state Line as well. Yes say occasionally yes.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got well Kezier Puric, the outgoing member

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Speaker 1: of for Goners.

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Speaker 2: Still going, It's still going, It's still here, Brown.

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Speaker 4: And morning Bluish people.

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Speaker 3: And for the Labor Party we've got Kate Warden. Good

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Speaker 3: morning to you, Kate.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and good morning to everybody in Sanderson this morning.

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Speaker 3: Lovely to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: And of course we know that the countdown to the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory election day on August twenty four. It has

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Speaker 1: officially begun, the government entering caretaker mode yesterday, the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Administrator Hugh Hegy issuing the election writ yesterday, meaning

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Speaker 1: that Labour can no longer make significant policy decisions in

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Speaker 1: this term of office. Now we know that yesterday those

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Speaker 1: two campaigns really kicked off in Palmerston, didn't they Tom.

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Speaker 5: They did both Eva Lawla and Livnachiara holding their first

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Speaker 5: press conferences of the campaign in Palmerston, which of course

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Speaker 5: will be a very interesting part of the Northern territory.

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Speaker 5: Four seats up for grabs there on election night and

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Speaker 5: the CLP have two at the moment, including you Marrick

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Speaker 5: lab you know Eva Laula also holding a seat there.

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Speaker 5: Wonder what will happen there, and then of course Mark

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Speaker 5: Turner's seat, which will be a three way contest, I suspect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting electorate and well not electorate

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Speaker 1: whole area. You know, Palmerston is its own little city

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Speaker 1: and its own.

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Speaker 3: Right have changed that, yeah quite a bit, Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think that that as we would have

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Speaker 1: expected yesterday. I've been interviewing quite a number of the

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Speaker 1: candidates already across the different electorates, and by far and beyond,

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's being raised they're telling me on

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Speaker 1: and not unexpectedly, yesterday those campaigns did seem to launch

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Speaker 1: from both the major political parties really talking about those issues,

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Speaker 1: and the timing well quite interesting given the fact that

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Speaker 1: we know as well yesterday we spoke to a resident.

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Speaker 3: Al out there in Woodroff who'd.

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Speaker 1: Spoken to us about the situation that occurred with well,

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Speaker 1: with stolen vehicle, doing burnouts, drunken behavior. We know that

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Speaker 1: then a car was set alight. You went out there

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Speaker 1: yesterday as well.

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Speaker 6: Tom, Yeah, I had a chat with Alan.

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Speaker 5: He seems like he said as wits end and has

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Speaker 5: said that he was a long term labor voter. He'd

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Speaker 5: been there, had been living in that street for nine

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Speaker 5: months now and he just said that he was fed

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Speaker 5: up with what had been seeing. He shared some footage. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: the footage that we've been seeing on social media over

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Speaker 5: the last couple of days has been quite confronting. And

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Speaker 5: this is really what I think the government is going

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Speaker 6: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 5: Is really what is happening in places like Palmerston where

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Speaker 5: there is such a I think an attitude of this

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Speaker 5: isn't this isn't right, this isn't good enough.

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Speaker 6: We need something to change.

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Speaker 1: And a quick message from OL this morning he said,

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Speaker 1: good morning Katie.

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Speaker 3: Al here.

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Speaker 1: I'd love the opportunity to thank our community publicly. We

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Speaker 1: held a meeting last night, forty plus people all the parties,

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Speaker 1: thank the community for everybody turning up and sort of

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Speaker 7: Katie, and unfortunately for Palmerston that has been our reality

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Speaker 7: for a number of years now. We have I mean,

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Speaker 7: They're just causing absolute chaos for every one that lives

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Speaker 7: it is right throughout Palmerston and people have just had enough.

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Speaker 7: And it's like Tom said, the Palmeston residents have absolutely

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Speaker 1: I know that for our What he'd said to us

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Katie, and I'll comment on that. So Port Keats

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Speaker 8: forty sixty years, and I'm not saying that as an excuse,

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Speaker 8: So that's a historic issue that has happened, and we've

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Speaker 8: and old people told us very very clearly they want

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Speaker 2: We've just got that investment.

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Speaker 8: So the territory sold itself out from that investment via

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Speaker 2: So it's taken a long time to get the Feds

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Speaker 8: They want to see those homelands fixed up again so

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Speaker 8: We haven't just started. America will say, oh, they just

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Speaker 2: That work has been going on in waif for two

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Speaker 1: But it's the situation is have got though now at

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Speaker 1: the moment is this is now blots in Palmerston.

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Speaker 8: I understand that, Katie, and at the moment we've also

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Speaker 2: It happens.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it in our screen and Olie Spring.

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Speaker 8: People come in for a big event and then they

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Speaker 2: You've got to have a plan to going home.

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Speaker 6: But we've got a normally.

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Speaker 1: Accessible it's criminal behavior, it's other people's cars up is criminal.

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Speaker 8: Nobody is saying that that's not and nobody is saying

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Speaker 8: You've got to make that big surge through and get

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Speaker 8: personal responsibility in this. We see it around health. Pet

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Speaker 8: Nobody's saying that's acceptable. It's the response that you have

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Speaker 5: But sorry, talking just one of the issues that Alan

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Speaker 8: That's why we need more police, Tom And that's the

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Speaker 6: Money have been put in place several years ago.

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Speaker 8: No you need evidence about it. So there was a

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Speaker 8: Absolutely we acknowledge that when a review was called, you

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Speaker 3: This is where we're at now.

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Speaker 1: The come election time is that we actually in a

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Speaker 1: stay on the same path that we're on and stay

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Speaker 1: on the path of what the government describes as hard

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Speaker 1: grinding work, or you know, go down a totally different

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Speaker 1: path that the COLP is putting forward, or potentially in

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Speaker 1: some electorates vote for the independence.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: I guess the issue that the Northern.

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Speaker 1: Territory Labor Party have got right now is that while

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Speaker 1: that hard grinding work.

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Speaker 3: That you call it is continuing to.

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Speaker 1: Go on the streets of Palmerston feel as though they're

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Speaker 1: under siege. You know, people are feeling as though the

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Speaker 3: Not good enough.

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Speaker 1: I saw another lady yesterday who's got her father who

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Speaker 1: in Woodroff and she does not feel safe leaving him

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Speaker 2: That's next level, Katie, what we need to do.

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Speaker 8: And you saw what we did. We took very decisive action.

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Speaker 8: Eva Laula took that decisive action in Alice Springs with

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Speaker 8: the curfew. They're the sorts of things that you'll see

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Speaker 8: from us, and so we know that this is an issue.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it is.

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Speaker 9: Or we've seen a surge capacity were police minister, didn't

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Speaker 9: we see that the advice we were getting from police,

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Speaker 9: will not work.

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Speaker 2: Police were really worried. And if you.

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Speaker 5: Look advice from police though, advice from people at chancey

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Speaker 8: No, so we had advice and if you look on

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Speaker 8: even a quick Google will show you that curfews can

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Speaker 8: We are undercent Katie. What you're saying is that as

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Speaker 2: Absolutely we do, and.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely it is.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what we've got it to look through.

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Speaker 5: The know, to look at this as like an election issue.

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Speaker 5: You know, you mentioned they're Katie that the car was

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Speaker 5: And you know, we can expect that the CELPO will

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Speaker 7: For instance, I've been outdoor knocking in the Northern Suburbs

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Speaker 8: And we're coming in behind you, Marie Claire, and you

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Speaker 8: They were only interested in crime. They didn't want to

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Speaker 8: You're stirring it up for your own political gain and

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Speaker 8: we know it. I go around every single day and

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Speaker 8: It's great, we're really happy here, but we do feel

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Speaker 8: And we unpack that and talk to them about what

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Speaker 8: that is and the work that we're doing, and I

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Speaker 8: you guys are opening on crime with every question you have,

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Speaker 2: Well let me tell you about crime. And that's the.

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Speaker 8: Only response you've had for the last eight years. You

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Speaker 3: So clear response to Kate.

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Speaker 6: That is so interesting.

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Speaker 4: It's even though we're.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, that really threw us with Kate just going on

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Speaker 7: a rant there. I mean, Kate, you have to know

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Speaker 8: I bring it up because we've had people walk in

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Speaker 3: Look I'll step up and be the adult here.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it is that the seal he believes it is that

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Speaker 3: Have got nothing to worry about issue.

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Speaker 8: But what I said is the way that they're campaigning

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Speaker 2: People are tired of it.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more going.

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Speaker 1: I think that people actually care about the issues rather

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Speaker 3: I actually think that you're splitting hairs there inside talk.

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Speaker 2: About as a local member. There's lots as we.

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Speaker 1: Do on air, but you're making it a bit difficult

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Speaker 1: you know, like give Mary Claire an opportunity to speak

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Speaker 2: But she opened with it. She had a big go

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Speaker 3: All right, do you know what, let's take a bit

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixteen if you've just joined us in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kate Warten, Keesy Apuric, Thomas Morgan and Marie

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Speaker 1: Regional Hospitals have announced that they're experiencing challenges due to

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Speaker 1: and ease the pressure on the hospital system, a code

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Speaker 1: yellow is now in place at Royal Darwin and Palmerston

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Speaker 3: It's something I sort of hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Heard a huge amount about before the you know, probably

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Speaker 4: What's yellow different to brown?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't I think different, you know, different levels of.

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Speaker 5: The humunic patients in the emergency apartment, et cetera. But this,

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Speaker 6: Like we can talk about crime, but the other.

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Speaker 5: Big issue, one of the other big issues of this

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Speaker 5: public health service in Darwin in particular. Ali Springs doesn't

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Speaker 5: and there really needs to be I think both parties

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Speaker 4: Katie, I've got some people staying with me, some friends,

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Speaker 4: So the husband said, no, old, drive at to a hospital.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a dance.

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Speaker 4: So they come to Darn. They had all the paperwork

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Speaker 4: gone in tomorrow and they had nothing. They had nothing,

445
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Speaker 4: and they said to her, why are we in the

446
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Speaker 4: transit land. We were told to come here transit Louse,

447
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Speaker 4: the transit center because you're going to operate on her today.

448
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Speaker 4: So there's some fundamental issues and with our health system

449
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Speaker 4: now it's I'm not blaming and I wouldn't blame any

450
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Speaker 4: of the practitioners health people in there, but it's either

451
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Speaker 4: resources or systems are not up to speed.

452
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Speaker 2: Or something.

453
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Speaker 4: When we can't stop people getting hurt, you know, and

454
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Speaker 4: getting ill, but we can stop the level of crime

455
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Speaker 4: that's hurting people. And that's why we're getting more presentations

456
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Speaker 4: at our hospitals anywhere, whether it be potentially getting hurt

457
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Speaker 4: and so that's why they're presenting to hot Haitie.

458
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Speaker 7: When I was still knocking yesterday, actually he met a

459
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Speaker 7: family and he was telling me that they were waiting

460
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Speaker 7: up at the hospital for an appointment with an orthopedic

461
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Speaker 7: which was already set at the public hospital for four

462
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Speaker 7: whole hours for his young son. And then he said, look,

463
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Speaker 7: and my wife is now pregnant again. And because we're

464
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Speaker 7: so worried about not being able to get the care

465
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Speaker 7: that we need. Not because of the doctors and nurses,

466
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Speaker 7: they're fantastic, but it's because of the system. They're actually

467
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Speaker 7: thinking about leaving Darwin. And I mean, that's the kind

468
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Speaker 7: of stories that I hear all the time when I'm

469
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Speaker 7: out and about because we have a hospital that is

470
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Speaker 7: quite literally the assault, alcohol assaults that are presented there,

471
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Speaker 7: the ten million dollars of security that we spend on

472
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Speaker 7: you know, patient security, Like that's just crazy easy numbers

473
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Speaker 7: because there's so many issues up there. And like Cazier said,

474
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Speaker 7: it goes back to the crime I mean, when we

475
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Speaker 7: have a crime crisis which is absolutely out of control,

476
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Speaker 7: of course the hospitals are.

477
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Speaker 6: Going to be the bearing the brunt of that.

478
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Speaker 5: There is there is that element of obviously alcohol and

479
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Speaker 5: violence related presentations. The other one which you know, talking

480
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Speaker 5: to people who work in the emergency departments, in both

481
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Speaker 5: Alice and Darwin is the level of domestic violence related

482
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Speaker 5: assaults that come in. You know, people who work on

483
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Speaker 5: the East Coast in hospitals they see maybe one domestic

484
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Speaker 5: violence patient a week. Here in Darwin and Alice Springings

485
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Speaker 5: it is constant, multiple people a night. And then you

486
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Speaker 5: just have the level of you know, disadvantage that you know,

487
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Speaker 5: particularly Indigenous territory and suffer and may have a lot

488
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Speaker 5: more health issues, you know, kidney disease and needing dialysis

489
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Speaker 5: and that issues, and those issues. It's not just sort

490
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Speaker 5: of you know, crime, it's also all the other issues

491
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 5: diabetes correct, you know, heart disease, all those other things

492
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Speaker 5: that really adding so much strain onto particularly the Royal

493
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Speaker 5: Darwin Hospital because it is only the only tertiary facility

494
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Speaker 5: in the Northern and.

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Speaker 8: We do have that funding commitment with the federal government

496
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Speaker 8: now an extra three hundred million, but it's not funding

497
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Speaker 8: that'll fix alone.

498
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Speaker 2: Tom hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 8: It's a lot of age care patients in their particularly

500
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Speaker 8: around dementia, and traditionally that's a federal government space and

501
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Speaker 8: they should do something in that space.

502
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Speaker 2: But the absence of that, we're building.

503
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Speaker 8: A twelve million dollar facility out in Palmerston, and on

504
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Speaker 8: top of that, we're actually doing another thirty two beds

505
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Speaker 8: I want to say, at.

506
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Speaker 2: The Royal Darwin Hospital.

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Speaker 8: But you've also got to have the staff that goes

508
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Speaker 8: with that, and that's what that's really a big point,

509
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Speaker 8: and that's why our big pushes around domestic violence as well,

510
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Speaker 8: because you're absolutely right the severity of domestic violence.

511
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Speaker 2: And I heard something quite disturbing last week.

512
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Speaker 8: I might don't mind sharing it on air because I

513
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Speaker 8: think the more we understand around domestic violence and it's

514
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Speaker 8: shared around, is that particularly Indigenous men are hitting more

515
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Speaker 8: women around the head and causing head blows because it

516
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Speaker 8: makes them unattractive. Now that's something as a community we

517
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 8: need to talk about. So it's well researched and so

518
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Speaker 8: there's research around those sorts of things, and the Aboriginal

519
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Speaker 8: Advisor Committee I met with them last week and that's

520
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Speaker 8: the sort of work that and information that we talk about.

521
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Speaker 8: It's quite heavy and so you see those sorts of

522
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Speaker 8: presentations and so over time you see you know that

523
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Speaker 8: brain getting hit around. It's no different for a boxer,

524
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Speaker 8: and I think men think that I hit her there

525
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Speaker 8: and it didn't. You couldn't see it, nothing around it.

526
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Speaker 8: But then you know, cumulatively the damage is done.

527
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a power about this funding as well for

529
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Speaker 1: domestic violence, because that is something that's been a big

530
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Speaker 1: talking point throughout this week, and we know that well,

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Speaker 1: a re elected labor government say that they are going

532
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Speaker 1: to fully fund critical programs and services to reduce domestic,

533
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Speaker 1: family and sexual violence. So, Kate, you and I had

534
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Speaker 1: spoken earlier in the week about this. So it's one

535
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollars Allo came. We've already over

536
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Speaker 1: five years to reduce the territory's unacceptable rate.

537
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Speaker 3: Now I know that the COLP then came out and

538
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: matched it, but there is no doubt that.

539
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Speaker 1: We've got some really serious, serious issues in this space.

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Speaker 1: I still can't wrap my head around, like to you know,

541
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Speaker 1: to sort of step away from the funding announcement that

542
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Speaker 1: was made. I still can't wrap my head around how

543
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: we don't have needspace funding go from the federal government.

544
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Speaker 2: Neither, yes, me neither.

545
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Speaker 8: So I've been very very clear and very very loud.

546
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Speaker 8: In fact, I've got myself into trouble federally for doing it.

547
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Speaker 8: But I just don't care. I'm just going to keep

548
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 8: saying it. We need needspace funding. I do have a

549
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 8: written commitment from Amanda Wishworth that she will look.

550
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: At it nationally, and I've got to stop looking.

551
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 8: The issue is is that if you consider the funding

552
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 8: nationally as a pie at the moment, it's population based,

553
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 8: and we get one percent, that's about out of two

554
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty million dollars a year, it's about one

555
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 8: point nine percent. Now, they'll argue they've given us an

556
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 8: extra ten million, but what they did around that is

557
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 8: they said you can have well, you can have ten

558
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Speaker 8: more workers, but in fact it's not enough to fund

559
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Speaker 8: ten workers, and it's only enough to fund eate and

560
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Speaker 8: so it's you know that sort of stuff. It's hopeless.

561
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Speaker 5: Well, I just want to sort of pick up on

562
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Speaker 5: the one hundred and eighty million dollar discussion, because that

563
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Speaker 5: was a figure that came out of the government's.

564
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Speaker 2: Eye work, which are initiated.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but that figure was dropped in I believe October

566
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Speaker 5: last year or maybe October twenty twenty twenty twenty two,

567
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Speaker 5: and it's only taken now Jo Wishing Campaign.

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Speaker 8: No, Tom, that's not correct. We have already invested fifty

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Speaker 8: million dollars since.

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Speaker 5: There So why were all these domestic violence organizations and

571
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: organizations that work in the space last year accusing the

572
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Speaker 5: government of betraying them on this issue around the funding

573
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Speaker 5: by coming out and announcing a much slower figure.

574
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Speaker 8: So we needed to work through slowly. They've already got

575
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Speaker 8: workforce pressures and this, as I've said this to Katie

576
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Speaker 8: earlier in the week, you can't just say suddenly, oh,

577
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Speaker 8: we're giving you an extra fifty million this year because

578
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Speaker 8: we won't spend it. We've on back of that, we've

579
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Speaker 8: also invested in infrastructure. So Dawnhouse has got a big

580
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 8: chunk of money to double their crisis center.

581
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Speaker 2: So has the Aboriginal Want starsha Islander.

582
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 5: Money available instead instead of having just like a flat

583
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Speaker 5: twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 6: You can make that money available.

585
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 8: Not how budgets worked, Tom, you need to make sure

586
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 8: you can cycle it through. So we're going to up

587
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Speaker 8: our budget next year if a re elected government. Why

588
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 8: we came out with the announcement as we wanted to

589
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Speaker 8: give the sector just complete certainty that re elected, we

590
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Speaker 8: will continue the work we've done because we've got the

591
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Speaker 8: ten year framework we had Action Plan one. We're in

592
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Speaker 8: well and truly into Action Plan two. We'll fully fund

593
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Speaker 8: the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of that and Action Plan three will be developed with

595
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Speaker 2: the sector.

596
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Speaker 1: Have just received a note from someone within the federal

597
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: government saying that the federal government above have funding above

598
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Speaker 1: our per capital allocations regarding domestic family and central violence.

599
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: It's not true, Katie.

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Speaker 8: We got a letter indicator that was given to the

601
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Speaker 8: media before it was given to us out of the

602
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Speaker 8: federal government, and I don't mind having a public fight

603
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 8: with them on this. That basically included child care in

604
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Speaker 8: that that's not direct funded. What we need is direct

605
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Speaker 8: funding to frontline services. So they have given us above,

606
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 8: but what they did is they tied it to an

607
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 8: x amount of workers. Now nationally there is a problem

608
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 8: with workers, so everybody's now struggling nationally to fill those positions.

609
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 8: Why not talk to us about where you're going to

610
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 8: place that funding, and why not talk to the sector

611
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Speaker 8: about where you're going to place that funding, and don't

612
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 8: just go in on your own.

613
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 6: About the rest of it.

614
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: Though, Well, I want to ask Marie clab what your

615
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: plans and the colp's plans are for this, because you

616
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 5: know Obviously you're hoping to be the government in less

617
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 5: than a month's time, so you know, is there anything

618
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: that you're going to do differently, particularly when it comes

619
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Speaker 5: to negotiating with the Commonwealth about funding.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think much to what people might think,

621
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Speaker 7: we actually have a good working relationship with the federal

622
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Speaker 7: government no matter who's in government. I mean Lea goes

623
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 7: down to camera quite regularly and talks to the ministers

624
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Speaker 7: down there. We have committed to the one eighty million

625
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Speaker 7: as well, because we are quite prepared and make no

626
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 7: apology that we will spend whatever we need to to

627
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 7: make sure that we can get our rates of domestic

628
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 7: violence down. But it's not just about the money. We

629
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Speaker 7: actually have to deal with the perpetrators as well, and

630
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Speaker 7: that's something that we haven't heard well from Labor like

631
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 7: we need.

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Speaker 1: Some people might be questioning this week whether that is

633
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Speaker 1: indeed possible and whether the cop is really serious about

634
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: this when the party's realistically been forced to distance themselves

635
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: from comments made by a former vice president in a

636
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: report by Liam Mendez in the Australian newspaper The CLP

637
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: campaign manager. Steve Doherty, a campaign manager for Helen's secretary

638
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: has been asked to resign from the party after blaming

639
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Speaker 1: domestic violence victims for remaining in violent relationships. Now, according

640
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: to this report, Dougherty is refusing to step down after

641
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: the CLP president Shane Stone personally called upon him to

642
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: quit following the controversial comments in which he said women

643
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: should take some personal responsibility for their own lives. Now

644
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: got to say the statement then that I received from

645
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: the CLP was pretty limited. It said this person is

646
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Speaker 1: a volunteer, his views do not represent the views of

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Speaker 1: the CLP. He's been asked to resign by the president

648
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: of the CLP.

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00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Well, if he's done it.

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Speaker 4: If he's been asked to resign and he's not resigning,

651
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: then he should have his membership terminated. It's very simple.

652
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: It's the same as in a private company. If you

653
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: say God like you to tend to your resignation, which

654
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 4: is a way of saving faith. If they don't tend

655
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: to the resignation, you sackem boot him out of the party.

656
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: So I mean, it's as simple as that. But I

657
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: just want to pick up on one point with about

658
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: this money and the optimistic violence and maybe out there

659
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: with both parties, correct me.

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Speaker 6: If it is.

661
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: I don't see anything or any programs planned or any

662
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: suggestion of starting in the schools. Boys it's not a

663
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: good idea, and girls to beat up each other, and

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Speaker 4: the men shouldn't hit women.

665
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 6: That is something that.

666
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: Quite a few people who I talked to this week

667
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: have said, is that there's one hundred and eighty million

668
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 5: dollars is the bare minimum.

669
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 6: But they could be doing a lot more of that

670
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 6: prevention work.

671
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 5: In schools and in prisons as well to try and

672
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 5: turn people.

673
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: So that's what it is all about.

674
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think that the cop actually know

675
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 8: what the one eighty is all about, but the one

676
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 8: eighty is about across the whole of government. So that

677
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 8: is money and an education. We've got the fantastic Boys Can,

678
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 8: Girls Can. We've got relationships information for young people because

679
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 8: that is where it starts, because they've seen it in

680
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 8: their lives. All of this is driven essentially by poverty

681
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 8: and how people feel about themselves as well, so you've

682
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 8: got to do that work. We've doubled our men's behavior

683
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 8: change programs so in prisons, out of prisons, that work

684
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 8: is well and truly underway. With the fifty million, we've invested.

685
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 8: We need more workers, fundamentally need more workers, and we

686
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 8: need to keep investing in the frontline services.

687
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: That's our commitment. We're really clear about it.

688
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 8: And I have to say, you know, last week the

689
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 8: sector for the very first time actually met sorry earlier

690
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 8: this week the sector met the CLP for the first

691
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 8: time this week.

692
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: And they were pretty disappointed it's taken that long. That's

693
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: not true.

694
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: We are going to take a quick break. There is

695
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: so much to discuss this morning. Let's take a bit

696
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: of a break. When we come back, we might talk

697
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: about some of the other promises being made. If you've

698
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: just joined us, well, it's certainly a busy morning in here.

699
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: We've got Kate Warden for the Labor Party, We've got

700
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Kesier puck in, there's an independent still for a couple

701
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: more weeks, Thomas Morgan from the ABC and Mary Cleaarbooby

702
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: with VCLP.

703
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: Now, there's been lots of promises made this week. I'll

704
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: tell you what.

705
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Just before caretaker mode kicked in, well, things signed off.

706
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: That was not an election promise though, that's an actual

707
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: commitments and we know that there was two two major

708
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: sort of agreements signed off.

709
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: When it comes to.

710
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Education as well as a pay rise for our school

711
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: teachers thirteen percent, I believed over the next three years. Now,

712
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: I got no issue with our teachers being paid more.

713
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: In fact, we fight that they do need to be

714
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: paid more money, particularly you know, when you look at

715
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: the fact that they're educating our children across the Northern

716
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: Territory schools, we've got to make sure that we recruit.

717
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: And retain them.

718
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: But signing it off the day before the reason is issued,

719
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: I thought was very interesting.

720
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 8: I come out on that because I having been involved

721
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 8: in EBA negotiations for our fires and police along the way.

722
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: They are very, very tricky.

723
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 8: Negotiations and they full due at different times, so you've

724
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 8: got no control.

725
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: About when the last agreement expired.

726
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 8: So as they come, they roll, and then from that

727
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 8: point on a negotiation some take longer and some don't.

728
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 8: So I think there was obviously a keenness to get

729
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 8: it done before the election, and that's where it landed.

730
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 8: No excuses.

731
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Katie.

732
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 8: I think that our teachers deserve to be paid well,

733
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 8: and I did hear to he listened to a wonderful

734
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 8: interview yesterday where I think a very senior teacher was

735
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 8: speaking about just how it important it is to get

736
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 8: that through for certainty, but also to keep and attract

737
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 8: the best teachers here and make it attractive to get

738
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 8: more teachers because nationally there's a shortage of teachers and

739
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 8: we need as many as we can here and we

740
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 8: need the best of them.

741
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 5: It's been pretty funny this signing of this thirteen percent

742
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: pay rise, because Evil all I came out and said

743
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: that the union was so scared of what a COLP

744
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: government might provide them in terms of a pay rise,

745
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 5: you know, in terms of a deal that the union

746
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 5: came begging to the party, basically to Labor to sign

747
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: the deal. Now the union rejects that and says that

748
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 5: it's actually the government that up to their offer at

749
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: the last minute so that they could have a political

750
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 5: win right before Appreciation entering caretaker mode. So I wonder

751
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: what is the actual truth here, whether you know, the

752
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: Labor just needed a last minute win on the board

753
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: before caretaker began.

754
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: So I don't I just outright don't reject that.

755
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 8: I think that these things just take time and that's

756
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 8: a good deal for them.

757
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: And if that's how the negotiations felt, good for them.

758
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: We caught up with the union a little earlier in

759
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: the week and it's something they've been pushing for. We

760
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: spoke to him yesterday, Michelle's it's something they've been pushing

761
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: for for quite some time. They were really concerned that

762
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: once the election was called that it was going to

763
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: totally slow things down. It was going to mean that

764
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: they weren't back at the negotiating table until September. But

765
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I think that you know, politics is all about perception, right,

766
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: and the perception at the moment, rightly or wrongly, is

767
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: that the government has sort of pushed it through at

768
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour before an election. So, like I said,

769
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: that's rightly or wrongly, I agree that our teachers need

770
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: a pay increase fundamental.

771
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 8: I also say, though, as a minister, this is the

772
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 8: first time I've been a minister going into caretaker. All

773
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 8: of a sudden, a whole heap of things get done.

774
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 8: That's just the nature of it. Just before so I

775
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 8: was signing five I don't think I've ever signed as

776
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 8: many files as than the last week, and it's you know,

777
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 8: people in the public service go, we've got to get.

778
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: This done, and it's real.

779
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 9: Can I just an outside number with well with the

780
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 9: teachers pay increase, was that one hundred eighty million dollars

781
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 9: that it's going to cost budgeted for.

782
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: It will be it has to be in our eleven

783
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: million dollars.

784
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 8: We've got a process that goes through which goes to

785
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 8: budget a subcommittee of Cabinet before and it has to

786
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 8: go and be ratified through those processes.

787
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: But so it's it's certainly not been budgeted for.

788
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 8: And yet that's not a question for me, that's a

789
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 8: question for EVA and the Education Minister to be honest.

790
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: Look, they're not the only promises being thrown out. I

791
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: mean I know that one's not an election commitment.

792
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: You're actually those.

793
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: Teachers are going to be really well paid. I think

794
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: it's good.

795
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I think the teachers should be people, and we could

796
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: let's have a look at some of the promises that

797
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: are being made. We know that there's been a promise

798
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: of a new department twenty four days out from the election,

799
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: or that was a little earlier in the week.

800
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: I think it's only like twenty two now.

801
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Maybe, and there's going to be well, the Labor Party

802
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: has said that they are going to create a new

803
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: stand alone housing department if re elected, that's home Territory Homes.

804
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Now apparently there's a business out in Palmerston that's already

806
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: called Territory Homes. The flights the name then and on

807
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: the fly announcement and this is what maybe.

808
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: Not get caught up in a name today because I

809
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: don't think.

810
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 6: That's the big issue elect for a while.

811
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: It's important to the business if they've got that home.

812
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure those things can be get the home we

813
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: really want.

814
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Territory homes.

815
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: So that is, and you know, good on them giving

816
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: them a shout out this morning.

817
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 5: The other interesting thing though, is that Michael Gunner in

818
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen was elected on a platform of merging all

819
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 5: these departments together to improve efficiencies and get rid of

820
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 5: overheads and all that.

821
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 6: And now Labour's going to an election promission.

822
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: I think one thing has changed, Thomas.

823
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 8: We've got landmark agreements federally for a lot more money

824
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 8: coming in the economy has changed. We've got a real

825
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 8: driver and nationally to build more homes. I think we've

826
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 8: got to build over eleven thousand homes so that we

827
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 8: have agreed that that's where we should head and it

828
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 8: should be standalone. It gives some transparency around that, but

829
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 8: it also gives the opportunity to bring everything together. And

830
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 8: I think in terms of you know, what people want,

831
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 8: the building industry want.

832
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: To see, this is a very very good move and

833
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: I've think I'm quite excited about it.

834
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I just take to sneeze here for a moment.

835
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a very quick break, and when

836
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: we come back, let's talk about the economy and the

837
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: gas agreements which have been announced as well. There's plenty

838
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: still to come. Right here on mixed one O four

839
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. I will it is a busy, busy

840
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: morning because it's been a crazy week, of course, with

841
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the issuing of.

842
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: The RISH just yesterday.

843
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: We are now twenty two days I believe from the

844
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Northern Territory election.

845
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: I do need to go and check the NTC, so

846
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: am I mate so a much.

847
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: Now let's look at some of the different announcements that well,

848
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: the different things that happened much earlier in the week.

849
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: And I know that com SECT did indeed release the

850
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: State of the State report earlier in the week, and

851
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: it's the economic analysis of course of all all of

852
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: the different states and we know that the Northern Territory

853
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: was last in six of the eight benchmark categories, showing

854
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: a sharp decline in economic activity.

855
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: That State of the State's.

856
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Economic Performance reports showed economic growth in the territory in

857
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: the March quarter was down seven point seven percent on

858
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: its long run average, with next worst Western Australia showing

859
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: a three point three percent increase. Now, Concept did indeed

860
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: acknowledge that it's reporting methodology a decade average figure which

861
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: was skewed by the impects boom can potentially contort the data,

862
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: which is why it also provides an annual growth rate

863
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: as well. Now, look, however, you sort of look at

864
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: it the You know, the numbers are not great for

865
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory when it comes to our economy, and

866
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: by the look of things from the Labor Party perspective,

867
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: gas is the area that they are going towards in

868
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: terms of trying to get things moving here in the

869
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: Northern Territory. We know that there was two gas agreements

870
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: signed off earlier in the week or the Northern Territory

871
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: Government and the Marini and Palm Valley joint Venture signing

872
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: that six year gas supply deal commencing in twenty twenty five.

873
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: Then of course we also know that the government had

874
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: said all the Labor Party now, you know, continuing to

875
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: support the industries that get the territory working. They'd said

876
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: by signing up to buy more gas from the Beaterloo basin.

877
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: So it was the gas sales agreement between the Northern

878
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Territory government and Empire Energy.

879
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: Okay, I with my background in the minerals industry, don't

880
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: have an issue with the middle arm proposed developments and

881
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: any proponent that is prepared to invest in the Churchy

882
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: in regards to gas projects or downstream processing whilst there

883
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: is a move and the territory will get there eventually

884
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: towards renewables for all those environmental and climate reasons. This

885
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 4: is here and now and we need security of energy.

886
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: Now.

887
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: Yes, the bulk of our gas is exported, but the

888
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: bulk of the gas of Australia is exported, you know,

889
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: particularly safe from WA, L and g etc. To other

890
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 4: countries that need it. So I mean that's just the reality,

891
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 4: get over it. But the developments there, if they're done properly,

892
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: done well with all the safeguards, where that be empty

893
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 4: and commonwealth because there's a good chance that all these

894
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: gas projects will trigger the com wealth environmental legislation. So

895
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's this government,

896
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: current government Labor, or if it's a different government of

897
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 4: the CLP win power in three weeks, the industry will

898
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 4: push on. But the one thing that industry always needs

899
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: is certainty around regulation and the approval processes, whatever they

900
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: are and wherever they are. And that's critical to industry.

901
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: They don't care about the politics. They just want they

902
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 4: want clarity and certainty because gas is different to oil,

903
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: and it's different to hard rock mining. You know, opportunities

904
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 4: and the windows of opportunities shut pretty quickly, so we've

905
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 4: got to get on with it now, well quickly before

906
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: we lose opportunity.

907
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Speaker 7: And Katie, that's why we've been talking about for a

908
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: long time the Territory Coordinator, and that's one of our

909
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 7: policies that we've actually tried to pass out a number

910
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 7: of years ago and Labor shut us down on it.

911
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 7: It's where we can actually have a separate statutreat body

912
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 7: for major projects and they'll have the teeth if you

913
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 7: like to be able to go in and make decisions

914
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 7: take the project you know in their own hands from

915
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 7: instead of going into the buried major Projects list, which

916
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 7: has obviously been cursed because we haven't seen any major

917
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 7: projects come up off the ground yet. So this will

918
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 7: actually provide industry the certainty that they're looking for. We

919
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 7: need these big projects here. We also need to just

920
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 7: continue along with confidence in our businesses as well, and

921
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Speaker 7: that's why we have said we will abolish payroll taxes

922
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 7: for the tax free threshold up to two point five million,

923
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Speaker 7: because at the moment, our businesses don't have the confidence

924
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 7: they've been suffering for a long time, and we have

925
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 7: to be give that something that they can say, Yep,

926
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 7: you know what I want to grow. I want to

927
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 7: invest here in the territory. I want to put on

928
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 7: more staff, including apprentices and traineeships, because we're going to

929
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 7: exclude that from the payroll tax free threshold. Like these

930
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 7: are all really simple but game changing policies that will

931
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Speaker 7: actually get the economy moving again.

932
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt we do need to get the economy moving.

933
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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it looks as though labor

934
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: is sort of hitching their wagon now to the gas industry,

935
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Speaker 1: but not everyone's because everyone in your party happy we're good.

936
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: No, we're good. Sorry, I know that you want to

937
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: keep saying that stuff, but that's absolutely rubbish.

938
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Speaker 8: We get in behind each other when we've made a

939
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 8: policy position, and this is our policy position. We've also

940
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 8: got quick critical minerals which is going to be worth

941
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 8: five billion to the economy. But we're also investing heavily

942
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 8: in tourism and major events. That comes one hundred million

943
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 8: dollars in the next budget, which keeps adding in and

944
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 8: that's why we are The other thing that people aren't

945
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 8: talking about, though, is around own source revenue from that.

946
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 8: So I think there's a bit of a misconception. The

947
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 8: gas that's going out with impacts is not the territory's gas.

948
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 8: In fact, it's offshore of Western Australia and it's Commonwealth

949
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 8: so they get the royalties from that. What the difference

950
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 8: is is in the Betterloo that's own source revenue for

951
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 8: the territory. So all the issues we've sat around in

952
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 8: here and talked about for an hour, those sorts of

953
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 8: things need an investment in money. The Beatleloo gives us that,

954
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 8: but can.

955
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: I That's why some people are going, why is it

956
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: taken so long? And that's one of the best. I

957
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: can say.

958
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 8: We have done all the right safeguards and I talk

959
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 8: to industry all the time as the Energy Minister, and

960
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 8: I have to tell you the industry says they like

961
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 8: doing business in the Northern Territory now because they know

962
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 8: exactly where they stand and they can get on with it,

963
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 8: and they are getting on with it, and we're very

964
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 8: proudly behind that.

965
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: But not at the risk of the environment.

966
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know, on the issue of whether

967
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 5: labor is united on this or not, I suspect not.

968
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: There are people at the Labor Day March this year,

969
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: union members, people who are part of labor who were

970
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 5: saying we don't want gas. There have been multiple motions

971
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: in the Labor Left to try and get get rid

972
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 5: of it.

973
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 6: And you know even.

974
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 5: Natasha Files almost got kicked out of the Labor Left

975
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 5: because of it. And on this issue, you know there

976
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: will be I think some substantial pushback in some seats,

977
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 5: you know, particularly Nightcliff and Johnston around this issue. But

978
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: the other big issue and you know, the deals, you know,

979
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 5: the merits of you know, the industry that's up for

980
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 5: question from other people. But the question around whether these

981
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 5: deals should be secret and the amount of money that

982
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: the anti government could be putting on the table to

983
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 5: these gas companies is a question that people have been asking.

984
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 5: I know that Lefnochiaro earlier this year pledged to actually

985
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: make the Tamboran deal between them and the anti government

986
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: public and to release details around that.

987
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 6: I do wonder if the CLP is going to do the.

988
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: Same money as much as they can in confidence. There's

989
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: only there's a certain amount of agreements between a government

990
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: and a company, but that will be commercial in confidence.

991
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: There's some experts who say that, you know, you can

992
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: actually make a lot of those details public without making.

993
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: If the company lets it, because I forget they've got

994
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: commitments to the stock exchange. What what announcements of what

995
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: information is put out into the private sector, Katie. The

996
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: other thing was if some of your listeners are saying,

997
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: or if they're texting in saying, you know, why does

998
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: it take so long? It's billions of dollars. These projects

999
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: take a long time, because you've got to think.

1000
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: It's more people saying why have we not gotten any

1001
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: major projects off the grand quite a long time?

1002
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 8: Major projects by there by the very title to take

1003
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 8: a long time and now I mean the ship lift

1004
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 8: is now moving ahead, projects gallery taking ahead?

1005
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: You know, can I.

1006
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: Just just talking about the projects where like with you know,

1007
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: when you talk about the art gallery, he said that.

1008
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: That's government funded.

1009
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: It takes you know that I'm talking about money, so.

1010
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: That I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about private

1011
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: investment and trying to get the Northern territory so we're

1012
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: not so reliant on the bloody.

1013
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 8: I get it, But can I also say, can I

1014
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 8: just go back to a previous comment, like I think

1015
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 8: that the CELP is going to be find themselves in

1016
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 8: a little bit of problems here because their candidate for

1017
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 8: the seed of Johnston actually ran last time with Allians

1018
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 8: who were totally against gas. And I also noticed that

1019
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 8: their candidate for the seat of Nightclift, actually doesn't support

1020
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 8: Middle Arm and certainly won't say that publicly.

1021
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: So she did.

1022
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 8: She said it secretary, and she's talking about certainly they've

1023
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 8: certainly got the deadly hair dude who will not come against.

1024
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: And said that he does.

1025
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 9: He said that it was a he said it was

1026
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 9: a territory Alliance policy.

1027
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: And I don't like, I don't know whether I don't

1028
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: know if I buy that or not. But either way,

1029
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: we definitely did speak to Helen about that, and I

1030
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: did ask Leafin about this because I do feel it

1031
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: is a point of contention right now to the CP

1032
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: is both absolutely.

1033
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: For the Labor Party is settled.

1034
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 8: We are going forward and we are showing it by

1035
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 8: our actions.

1036
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: So you.

1037
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: Fall into opposition, if you fall into oposition after this election,

1038
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 5: how much this issue might actually come back to the

1039
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: some of the recrimination.

1040
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 8: Tom, We are united as a parliamentary team. We are

1041
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 8: going forward and.

1042
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: Gas we are absolutely.

1043
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: Our hands together.

1044
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: Look, we are going to have to wrap up.

1045
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: We didn't even really get the chance to talk about

1046
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: to talk about the.

1047
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: Federal reshuff but that is it for us this morning.

1048
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: Now, next Friday is going to be a very special

1049
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: edition of the week that was. We're going to be

1050
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: joined in the studio for the three sixty leaders debate

1051
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: with Leo Fanocchiaro and Evil Ala.

1052
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: Next Friday morning.

1053
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: So look, if there is anybody out there listening this morning,

1054
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: any of our listeners that you know, I want to

1055
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: put forward a question. There's no guarantee that I'm going

1056
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: to be able to get all of those questions to

1057
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: our leaders, but feel free to send us an email

1058
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: three sixty at Mix one O four nine dot com

1059
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: dot au.

1060
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: Marie Clare Boothby for the COLP. Thanks for your time

1061
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: this morning.

1062
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 7: Thank you, and I just want to say thank you

1063
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 7: to Kate. I'm sorry that I beat you at the

1064
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 7: cake bake challenge at.

1065
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: The Royal Show.

1066
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: I went back to basics Katie, and simple, simple, and

1067
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 7: I did manage to be thank.

1068
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: You missed the memo about it actually looking like representing.

1069
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 7: The your yours did look like a dragon freed. It

1070
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 7: was very well presented, but don't let the fancy things

1071
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 7: for you to go back to us.

1072
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: Lorgan, thank you so much for your time this morning

1073
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: from the A v S.

1074
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: It was the tensus part of the program right now.

1075
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 6: Thank you Katie.

1076
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: I topped the cakes. I got champion Turkey. What have

1077
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: you doing champion Turkey? Not just at first I know life, Katie.

1078
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 9: I will have to.

1079
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 4: Resuscitate a turkey taking the rats home.

1080
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: Katie's big shout out to my middle Point Primary school.

1081
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 4: It's their sixtieth birthday. So if anyone's wandering down towards

1082
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: from Dam ten to three out at middle Point.

1083
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: CAZy, I thank you Kate. Water, I'm all over.

1084
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 8: I don't thank you very much, Katie, but I will

1085
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 8: say I am a two time champion, I have two

1086
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 8: child and I love competing and not with turkey, you

1087
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 8: haven't event and Champion Pet of the Show when she

1088
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 8: was about fourteen with a guinea pig.

1089
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: Show Casey made me judge the judges.

1090
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: She was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

1091
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for your company this wanting

1092
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: to stick around. Plenty more coming your way.