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Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Satasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud

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Speaker 1: before we get started on She's on the Money podcast,

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Speaker 2: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money podcast. That's

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Speaker 3: helping you sort out your finances now so future you

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Speaker 3: can live their best life.

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Chatter recently about a policy idea that could help first

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Speaker 3: home buyers break into the market sooner. And if you've

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Speaker 3: heard of it already, I'm sure you're thinking, Wow, VI,

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Speaker 3: that sounds so great. But before we get too excited,

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Speaker 3: what if I told you we don't actually have to

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Speaker 3: guess how this is going to turn out. I'm Victoria

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Speaker 3: Devine and today For this special bonus Saturday episode, you

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Speaker 3: and I are going to look Across the Ditch to

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Speaker 3: see what happened when New Zealand tried almost the exact

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Speaker 3: same thing. I'm just going to spoil it for you

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Speaker 3: real quick here. It didn't actually go quite as planned.

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Speaker 3: But first I want you to imagine a policy that

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Speaker 3: makes houses more expensive, reduces retirement savings, and increased government spending.

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Speaker 4: Would you vote for it? Probably not? Well, actually, okay,

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Speaker 4: we're friends.

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Speaker 3: Across the Ditch introduced a scheme that let first home

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Speaker 3: buyers dip into their super which is actually keyw Saver

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Speaker 3: over there to buy a home, which, in theory sounds

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Speaker 3: fantastic because who doesn't want to help first home buyers

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Speaker 3: what actually happened. Let me set I guess the scene.

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Speaker 3: You're a first home buyer. You have been diligently saving

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Speaker 3: every single dollar you've been topping up your retirement fund.

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Speaker 3: You're super, your Key WE Saver, same same, You're going

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Speaker 3: to stash away extra cash and then you're doing everything right.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, the government says, hey, you can

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Speaker 3: actually dip into your SUPER or your keyw saver.

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Speaker 4: For a house deposit. You're going to go, oh, my.

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Speaker 3: Goodness, this has been so hard, how good? I would

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Speaker 3: absolutely love to do that, because this has been honestly

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Speaker 3: more enrich But here's the catch. You're literally not the

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Speaker 3: only one with this idea. There are thousands of other

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Speaker 3: first home buyers who are thinking exactly the same thing,

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Speaker 3: And suddenly, at every single option, everyone's budget has an

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Speaker 3: Because that's exactly what played out for our friends in

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Speaker 4: Buyers suddenly had more money.

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Speaker 4: So instead of.

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Speaker 3: Leveling the playing field, this policy did the exact opposite.

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Speaker 3: First home buyers were left with bigger debts, higher risks,

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Speaker 3: here's the wild part. If you didn't think that was wild,

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Speaker 3: This policy wasn't just ineffective. It actually made home ownership

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Speaker 3: here's something telling. Seventy seven percent of first home buyers

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Speaker 3: up from sixty five percent in twenty fifteen. That means

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Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy nine thousand and New Zealanders have

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Speaker 3: collectively withdrawn in New Zealand dollars ten billion dollars from

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Speaker 3: their retirement accounts. That's ten billion dollars not growing for

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Speaker 3: their retirement and all for what to chase incredibly expensive

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Speaker 3: very policy meant to cool it down. Oh and did

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Speaker 3: I mention that the New Zealand Treasury explicitly warned that

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Speaker 3: this would happen. They literally said this scheme would stimulate

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Speaker 3: weren't wrong. They work very on the money. Stay with

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Speaker 3: mean for Australians, not just home buyers. Welcome back, my friends.

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Speaker 3: We have been chatting about the proposal to let Australians

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Speaker 3: dip into their superannuation for house deposits and why the

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Speaker 3: it's not just about crisis, right, Let's talk about what

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Speaker 3: happens to your suberannuation when you're not investing it optimally.

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Speaker 3: Australian mysuperbalanced options achieve about seven point eight percent returns annually,

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Speaker 3: compared to just six point six four percent for Keywi

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Speaker 3: Saver balanced options. That difference might seem really small, but

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Speaker 3: over forty years of working life it is massive. Keywi

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Speaker 3: Saver funds hold sixteen point five percent less in growth

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Speaker 3: keep more money accessible for these housing withdrawals. That means

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Speaker 3: funds take fewer investment risks and generate lower long term

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Speaker 3: not just home buyers.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: If Australian funds had to accommodate large scale withdrawals for housing,

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Speaker 3: means less money invested in high growth assets and over

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Speaker 3: time law returns for literally all of their members, whether

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Speaker 3: you're buying a home or not. And I need you

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Speaker 3: to remember, our supersystem was designed to reduce the reliance

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Speaker 3: decrease from two point five percent to two point three

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Speaker 3: of time. As one economist put it, it's rubbing your

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Speaker 3: discharges more. Actually, speaking of economists, did you know how

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Speaker 3: many support this idea?

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Speaker 4: Actually? Almost none.

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Speaker 3: When forty eight out of forty nine economists think something

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Speaker 4: Here's the real issue. Australia is already.

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Speaker 3: One hundred undred, one thousand homes behind schedule every single year.

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Speaker 3: That means even if every single first home buyer magically

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Speaker 4: That's the problem with this policy.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't build more homes, it gives buyers more money

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Speaker 3: you know what happens? Prices go up, not down. So

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Speaker 3: what would help with housing affordability? Okay, so stepping back first,

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Speaker 3: we need more supply. That means planning reform, infrastructure investment,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand actually had success with this in Auckland. In

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Speaker 3: without these changes. Impressive, right, More homes meant less competition,

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Speaker 3: lower prices, and better affordability. Unsurprisingly, Second, what we need

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Speaker 3: So what have we learned from our keyw neighbors across

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Speaker 3: Superfer housing sounds like a super idea, And don't forget

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