WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 6 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.480 TV Reload, the podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:04.000 Last week Their Life. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:05.240 Welcome to TV Reload. 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.200 My name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.760 to get all the inside goss on the popular TV 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.240 shows you may be watching from around the world. Undeniably, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.599 our TV sets are a major part of our home 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.560 entertainment and very little is known about how our favorite 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.320 shows get made. 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On today's podcast, I have this week's booted 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.159 castaways from Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains and what a 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.280 week it has been saying goodbye to Sam, Shannie and Sean. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:55.840 It's a huge week for. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.040 Exit interviews and these guys have some really fun stories 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.960 to share. Sam was the first season returney with a 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.080 mission to beat his personal best. Shawnee was the first 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.800 person to return for her third time, and Sean also 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.520 a Returney just wanted to be kept in frame as 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.000 he is a literal giant at six foot seven. First up, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.240 I chat with Sam and find out who his real 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.319 alliance was. We will also discuss how the game has 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.800 changed since series one. He will share how he feels 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.080 about Nina and Sean using their idols incorrectly to save themselves. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.800 Then Shawnie will join me to talk about the Spice 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.920 Girl's alliance and what went wrong. Shawnee will talk about 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.000 her three Survivor experiences and what she decided to change 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.760 up for heroes versus villains. Finally, we will have Sean, 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.280 who will unpack the recovery period from the extreme conditions 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.559 of Australian Survivor. I'll ask if his wife Megan Gail 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.160 had any Gogglebox commentary from the couch, and we will 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.640 also discuss if a friendship with George is even possible. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.160 Once all this settles down, I will get some exclusives 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.880 from behind the scenes. On the sixth week of Australian 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.800 Survivor Heroes Versus Villains, which you can now catch up 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.320 on on ten Play. Anyway, let's bring Sam into the podcast. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.200 I hope you enjoy the first part of this episode. Hi, Sam, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.160 how are you then? 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.639 I'm very well considering they're a turn of advance at 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.560 tribal council. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.320 How are you doing well? It's just week after week. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.239 You know, you kind of thought maybe you get like 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.080 a really intense tribal council like one or two, you know, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.280 times out of a season. But every time they seem 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.320 to go to tribal council, I take another layer of 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.280 my fingernails off. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:31.960 Yeah. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.000 It is like that, isn't it mate. I'll tell you 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.120 right now, when you're in that tribal council and you're 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.639 sitting down, I lost it at ten years of my life. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.920 So it's a stressful environment, it really is. It's a 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.200 pressure cooker night and day. Different than when I played 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.079 it in season one. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.400 Well, you had the longest break between seasons. I mean 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:50.480 that's a really long break. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.400 We've seen people come back straight after, you know, back 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.320 into the next season. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.440 You know, had you ever thought that you would return 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.320 to this show. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.959 I wanted to return to this show. I think I'm 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.920 very First of all, I'm going to say how grateful 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.239 I am to play the game twice now, you know, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.120 and season one and season eight two different sides of 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.360 the spectrum, so pardon me. Obviously wanted to play again 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.600 and know i'd get the shot, but made I can 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.440 now say I'm a veteran of the game, which is 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.200 so funny because I'd never say that. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.120 I'd never say that, But in all honesty, I wanted 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:23.679 to ask you this question because I thought you'd be 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.280 the best person to answer it. How long does it 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.960 take to shake off an Australian survivor experience? Because you've 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.480 had that time And I always say to people, I 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.080 think I reckon, it's about four years before your brain 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.880 starts to reset. But for you, how long did it 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.720 take for you to get over the first experience? 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:41.160 Yeah? 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.240 I mean the first experience lingered for a while with 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.000 the food and stuff, and like the experiences, bro, I 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.120 took so much greatness out of it too, So I 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.840 was like, yeah, I feel like it's always in you 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.600 once you've done it, once you've learned from it in 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.720 so many different ways, or it's changed you in some 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.680 kind of way. I feel like for me, the six 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.880 years in between in between seasons was great. I think 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.200 I wouldn't have wanted it any other way, to be honest, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.480 I know. And it was great because I got to 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.200 sit in the background and just hanging out, and here 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.400 I pop up again out of six years. I mean, 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:14.920 it was good. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.240 I just was really surprised as well that they didn't 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.599 ask you to do another show. I just, you know, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.640 I don't know why I'm saying this. Maybe it's because 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.440 you know, you're a good looking rooster, You're very well spoken, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.560 you know, you have this amazing charity. There's just so 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.960 many things that are going for you. Had you been 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.760 asked to do anything else or are you just a 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:31.479 survivor guy. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.839 Well, it was funny because after season to be honest, 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.160 season one was in twenty sixteen, I was single. I'm 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.840 getting married next month, man, So I'm I'm going to 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.159 be a married man in April, which I'm excited about 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.679 Mid Mexico. But after season one, I did get Arcs 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.400 actually to do the Bachelot kind of yeah, but it 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.640 was never it was never something that I wanted to 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.400 do or entertain, and so it was kind of like 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.880 a conversation came up, but I brushed it aside pretty quickly. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.400 But yeah, mate, I haven't been asked, And to be honest, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.279 I probably wouldn't do any other reality TV shows. Maybe 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:03.240 the Amazing. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.360 Race with your name, with your soon to be wife, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:07.240 of course. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.200 Maybe with her. I don't know if I would do 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.440 it with it. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:09.880 I want to. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.080 I'll do it with my brother or my my best 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.800 mate or something. Maybe it could be better. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:15.160 I don't know. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.920 I wanted too many arguments with Nadia if we did 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:19.919 Amazing Race together. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.599 How much has the Australian Survivor series changed since you 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:24.400 were first on? 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.080 The show has changed. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.479 I think, And I'll be straight in the line, you know. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.320 I'm very honest and open and up front. I feel 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.839 like the epicness of the challenges in the Season one 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.520 were probably second to none. They were the best, were 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.560 the biggest. It's probably because it was season one. They 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.960 wanted to make it even bigger and greater and they 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.400 had to have a statement to put it. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:44.640 You know. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.480 But the gameplay was very different. Gameplay Season one wasn't 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:54.040 nowhere near as intense and chaotic and stressful and anxiety 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:58.279 provoking as this was and it shows on TV. I 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.760 feel like the audience is left feeling some of those 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.160 emotions too. Yeah, it's changed a lot in that in 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.160 that in that realm, for sure, it's night and day differently, 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:10.719 and it's a lot harder. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:12.560 I can see that in the show. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.000 I mean, I think that the player's attitude towards taking 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.080 part in the show has changed. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.800 And it was only a few episodes back. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.400 On the podcast, I was chatting to one of the 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.840 other you know castaways that was there with you, and 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.880 I just think that, you know, people are going on 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.200 this show now with more of a sort of cartoon villainry, 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.000 do you know what I mean? Like they're they're willing 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.520 to make all of these really dramatic moves just for 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.320 the glory of it, do you know what I mean? 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.440 Where I felt like in the first series people were 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.400 reluctant because they were worried if they made two bigger 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:40.360 moves they'd be chucked out. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.680 Yeah, exactly, man. And I think I think over the years, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:49.160 it's kind of carbonated enough to weed out certain people 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.080 and bring in certain people. And I feel like it 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.719 had to take this many years for it to really 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.479 get to a level where it's at and I feel 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:01.080 like the feedback and the and the audience and people, 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.560 you know, it's proof in the pudding. I mean, it's 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.960 I'm getting people here in America and that never happened 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.200 to me last time, but I'm here. I live in 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.640 the States. Someone in my building goes, hang on a minute, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:14.920 this is weird. But you seeing them from Survivor likes 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.440 the heroes. I said, yeah, because I'm binge watching it 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.720 right now and love it. And I'm like, oh my god, like, yeah, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:22.880 it's made it ZEPI. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.480 It's kind of a I mean, I can't even tell you, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.160 Like honestly, I've been recommending this series to people who've 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.440 never watched Survivor before, and I don't hear back from 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.120 them because they can't pick up the phone because they're 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.600 binge watching the first half of this series, like it 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.200 is addictive television. And I've said it a number of 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.720 times on this podcast. I think this series could be 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.240 the best reality series I've seen made in Australia. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.560 Yeah, I think so too. And I don't just say that, man, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.720 just because I'm part of it. I actually do think 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.720 that too. I speak a few players that have played 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.880 the American Survivor and they've been watching it too, and 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.400 they reckon it's probably one of the best Survivors I've watched, So, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.200 I mean, it's good feedback for the EPs and that, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.640 so it's and yeah, I think it's It's got the 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.360 right mix of people coming to the and applying for it, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.880 and they're casting it very well, so that makes it 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:13.400 even better. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.680 You said that, you know, you're you know, the game 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.880 has changed, and your morals and your strategy hadn't really changed. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.200 I thought it was interesting to find out. You know, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.760 what do you think was different about your gameplay this 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:26.280 time around? 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:26.880 Looking back? 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.120 Yeah, I think I think my gameplay this time around. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.079 I feel like my values and stuff were still intact, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.120 but I was able to forgive here for a bit, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.600 Like I don't think in season one I would have 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.360 ever forgiven someone for turning on me like you know 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.720 Nina did. For example, I had to write my name 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.200 down Hailey like I was willing. Like if I've got 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.040 more of a bit of time there at the back 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.600 end of the game to play with Hailey, I I 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.320 think I would have worked with her. And I said 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.520 this watch in the episode today, I'm like, I wish 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.880 I worked with her more, you know what I mean, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.080 And my gameplay, while it was kind of similar, and 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.120 I think that's just who I am as a person. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.200 I find it interesting some of the little nuanced choices 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.800 that I made this time around, and my gut instincts 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.680 I followed a lot more. You know, I picked out 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.400 my spider sense, so to speak, kind of picked out 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.240 a few things before things actually went down, and I 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.679 was right, although there were things where I was off 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.079 the mark. You know, I probably didn't say as much 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.760 as I should have said. There were times where I 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.080 did let lose and I said things that needed to 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.360 be sad. And I don't think season one I would 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.360 have called out someone to play an idol for me 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.800 if if that's the instinct that I had in my gut, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.240 you know. And I knew that my instinct was right 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:38.560 last night, like. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:40.319 Of course, I mean I could see that it was 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.120 written all over your face, I think, yeah, But I 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.920 mean I'm shocked. I'm absolutely shocked to my very foundation 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.600 that you all managed to fumble that opportunity to eliminate 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.640 George because it looked like a full proof plan. Maybe 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.720 it didn't look like a full proof plan on the beach. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.920 But to us, it just you know, it seems shocking 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.920 to me that you didn't take that opportunity to get 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:00.960 to George Man. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.839 It was it was a full it was a full 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.839 proof plan on the bench. That was the problem. And 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.600 the problem unraveled when we had two idols. Nina found it, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.400 which I almost found it. I'm hideous to finding idols, obviously, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.720 and I'll take responsibility for that. But I think where 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.040 the plan kind of come unstuck was Simon's very hard 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.960 to play with because he's he's very flaky in the 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.679 way that he's not solid, He's not permitted all the time. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.679 He could he could change his decision like last minute, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.199 and that that that's dangerous and that's something that I 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.760 find hard to play with, you know, But. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.800 I guess, you know, leaking the plans, you know, that's 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.520 really where it came undone, because I mean the fear 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.920 of God was really put into Sean and Nina, meaning 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.200 that you know, they had idols and they wasted them 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.360 because the game, you know, the plan of attack had changed. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.960 Complete complete waste of time. And look, look, part of me, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.240 like I was meant to have the idol was meant 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.880 to be in my bag before walking to tribal council, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.400 and after a few events didn't happen, said to Nina, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.520 don't worry, just give it to me at tribal counts. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.280 It will just play it for me. And then after 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.280 tribal you're in a cooker. You've got Simon whisper and 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.400 saying no, that's a four to three split. And then 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.600 I'm listening and I hear one of them say there's 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.880 only six of this in our alliance. And I'm not like, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.680 thinking in my stomach they're missing one person. It must 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.640 be Simon, because they're not taken into account. They must 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.000 have turned their vote. And then I looked and the 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.800 way I knew it straight away because Nina didn't play 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.760 her idols. She played it too fast. If you've got 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.200 an idol, like I don't even I've never played one, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.320 As I said, I'm not. I wouldn't be the greatest 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.640 person to find one, but I think I would play 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.599 it as a tool. So like, sit there and dangle it, go, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.200 who am I going to play it for? I play 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:45.720 it a bit better, you know what I mean. She 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.160 rushed to play it, even though I told her just 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.080 play it for yourself. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.760 Well, people online were coming for them, you know, and saying, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.679 you know, we've seen people in the Villains tribe using 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.360 idols to save other people instead of themselves, which worked 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.640 out to be good gameplay. People are now saying that 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.840 Sean and Nina were a little bit selfish to be 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.760 using their idol so quickly on themselves instead of being 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.160 able to use it as a tool to strengthen a 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.480 relationship with maybe somebody else by building trust. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.520 Yeah, I mean that that would have been That would 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.080 have been the player right, playing the idol for me 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.200 to save the day. Would have been the best heroes man. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.640 Of course, I. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.960 Understand it, and I understand self preservation. My game became unstuck, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.280 probably again similar to just season one. I'm too nice, man, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.839 I'm too nice. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.880 And Sam, it's better to be too nice than it 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.040 is to a person coming off a reality show that 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:34.680 you know comes across dodgy. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.560 Yeah, I agree, man, I agree, and I'm grateful how 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.240 I played it. I wouldn't change the thing, but I 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.120 am very nice, and you know me saying to Nina, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.880 just play it for yourself, Like then. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:44.400 I looked over. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.240 She played it too fast. I knew on George's he 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.840 just doesn't have a poker face. I knew straight away 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.720 he got like this sense of relief that she played 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.280 for herself because they didn't vote for her. That's when 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.160 I knew they're voting for me. Surely play the idem 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.760 for me, please, bam please. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.520 And he really should have. But I want to workshop 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.920 something with you. I have a theory. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:06.920 I love Sean, by the way, so if Sean's listening 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.599 to please not come for me. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.640 But I think Sean is the real problem in that 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:14.560 original Heroes tribe, and I wonder if he has done 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.280 all of this on purpose to get rid of some 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.280 of his biggest competition, because you had this, he had 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.120 this really strong male alliance that looked undefeatable when the 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.520 merge happened, and then all of a sudden there's just 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.440 been some fumbling along the way. Is there a possibility 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.320 that Seawn's just like letting some of you guys go. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.240 Yeah, for sure, definitely, no doubt about it. I mean 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.160 I picked up that on on Heroes Beach after I 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.960 couldn't find an idol with David and a sense not 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.200 looking for it, and I'm thinking maybe he has got 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.800 it and that's kind of sit my mind. And yeah, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.320 he was very very self preservation RD and I feel 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.520 like I was at the other end of the spectrum. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.360 And that's you know, it is what it is one hundred. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.640 There's a thousand and one different decisions choices you can 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.680 make every day in that game, and it only takes 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.480 one choice to ruin everything and or change everything. So 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.360 I played it what I thought was right, what was 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.400 in my control. I just wish that I had that 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.520 idol in my hand because I would have played it 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.760 for myself I had, you know, but being in someone 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.959 else's possession, I want to guilty if it was actually 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.720 in fact then going home and I told them to 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.800 play for me. That's Yeah, that's a tough one. 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:23.600 That one is a. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.280 Tough one for your own mental health. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.320 I'm going to say, don't ever watch that episode back 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.920 because that footage of you missing the idol, it's you're 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.960 so close to it that rewatching that back I think 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.080 would be like actual torture. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.200 Yeah, I think I put my hand on it because 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.240 I remember when Nina found it. I'm like, I swear 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.960 I just looked at it anyway, Yeah, well you did. Yeah, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.920 it was the game is wild, and we get out 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.600 there for so long, in so many people it is 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.960 it is a mind It is a mind wrecking game. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.760 That's what it plays with your mind over anything like 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.760 I don't care yet whether you win challenges or not. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.640 It's it's a modern game and that's exactly how you 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:03.320 play that game. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.400 How the hell is Haley and George still in this show? 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:06.600 Though? 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.840 I mean they are literally like the biggest characters and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.960 they really should have been eliminated, like everyone should be 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:14.880 going for them week one, and yet here we are 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.960 so far into the competition and they're still there, Like, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.360 how is this in your what's your theory behind? How 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.360 those two could be still in the competition with this 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:24.040 much power? 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.240 Well again, the first my first boat back on Here 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.320 Over Beach was Hailey. I said, we need to get 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:32.880 rid of Haley. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.080 Of course, I convinced. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.240 David that I hadn't Nina, and then Shawan spoke up, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:38.920 and I kind of didn't want to be a leader 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.920 because that was where I went wrong the first season. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.160 I think as well, I wanted to take a back seat, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:44.760 let someone else lead in I'm like, all right, man, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.320 you call the shots. Put in my mind I'm like, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.880 you don't get someone out that can really play a 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.800 game first, they're going to last a long time. And 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.040 it's proved like they're good. They're good game players. It's 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.480 why they're still in it. They're very they're very strategic minded, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.480 and that is a big threat for someone like me 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.720 because I'm I'm not very strategic. I'm more of a 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.800 social player. I don't even look myself as like a 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.480 challenge beast. I'm more of a group challenge beast. I 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.280 played well with teams like I look after people, and 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.840 that's what I wanted to play it like. But yeah, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.920 those guys are good players, and you need those players 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.560 in the game too, because you know they can help 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.120 us shields. They can help us focusing attention on them 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.440 as opposed to year and hiding behind them. So there's 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.880 a number of different things. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.280 And also they got to go to this I was 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.280 calling it cave FC because they got to go and 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.040 swim in that cave and got KFC. So I'm like, 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.840 you know, these guys have got to go to Cave 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.960 FC and now they've got a new lease of life. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.240 But when you win those challenges and you get taken 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.520 away and you can go and swim and eat some food. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.960 Is that like giving people a lifeline? Like, how much 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.480 does that really affect someone's mental attitude coming back into 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.440 the game, you. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.560 Know what, I think it does, but doesn't I don't 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.840 think it. I'm not fully bored, to be honest. Yeah, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.880 And I mean you feel better, that's for sure. I 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.840 mean I didn't feel the greatest after I had some 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.760 of the for challenges. I actually felt worse. So I 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.480 think your body asks pretty well. It's a smart machine. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.040 But like going away depends on who you go away 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.320 on those challenges with how you picked strategically. I think 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.160