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Speaker 1: Get A.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to.

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Speaker 1: Inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 2: Get a and Welcome to the podcast. Today we have

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Speaker 2: Mike Delay. He's the owner and senior audio engineer at

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Speaker 2: Real Voice, LA, which is where I did loads of

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Speaker 2: my training. He also let me record this podcast in

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Speaker 2: his incredible studio, So if you're ever in LA and

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Speaker 2: you need a podcast studio, he's got one. He shares

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Speaker 2: so much knowledge, so much information in this chat. His

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Speaker 2: background music as well is really passionate, So enjoy this chat.

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Speaker 1: Mike, You're a legend.

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Speaker 3: Can I swear on the stupid?

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Speaker 2: Oh That's what I was going to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Swear as much as you want. There are no rule.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast, Mike Delay. I am so excited

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Speaker 2: to chat to you. So you are an audio engineer,

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Speaker 2: a well your owner and founder of where we're sitting

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Speaker 2: right now, Real voice LA and music editor and composer

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Speaker 2: as well. Can I say that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do a lot. I haven't

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Speaker 3: done much of that work since opening this, but.

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Speaker 1: This is your baby, right, yeah, so good.

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Speaker 2: So what made me want to interview you is I've

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Speaker 2: just finished doing your commercial voice over course and I

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Speaker 2: was like two things. I was like, and I do

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Speaker 2: this thing when I book a guest. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they've got a really cool voice. I'm sure you understand

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Speaker 2: this because of the field you work and do people

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Speaker 2: tell you so to be like seth rogen.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I've never heard that. Seriously, that's crazy. Really,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I had to do like takes a few times. I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, it's so similar.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's a couple of it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I got to get the laugh down.

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Speaker 2: You got to get the laugh You're to listen to

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Speaker 2: some of the like some of the animation stuff too.

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Speaker 3: So good. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So you studied audio engineering? Is it at the Musicians

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Speaker 2: Institute in Hollywood, LA?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So is that like a how long is that court?

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Speaker 1: Is that like a three year?

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Speaker 3: That course is only six months? Actually, I mean they

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Speaker 3: have a whole bunch of stuff that. I mean, they're full,

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Speaker 3: like contemporary music schools. I mean there's there's bachelor programs

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Speaker 3: or whatever, but the audio engineering is just a six

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Speaker 3: month How good. It's amazing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when you went into that course, because I know

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Speaker 2: your background is musical, is it not?

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Speaker 2: Were you like okay, this is the like did you

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Speaker 3: Not? Tall? I mean the the initial reason was I

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Speaker 3: my own music when technology had really turned. That night

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Speaker 3: records they were making were like head above anybody else

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Speaker 3: it once, yeah, and then not have to pay for

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Speaker 3: this all again. The skill set, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: How good? So did that then lead to like I

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Speaker 2: did a little LinkedIn stalk of you, But did that

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Speaker 2: lead to you doing like editing music for You've done

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Speaker 2: have like twenty different TV shows?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: This is what I love about Los Angeles, Like it's

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Speaker 2: It's quite competitive because you know, like if you give

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Speaker 2: in LA it's kind of like, hey, you're a good person.

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Speaker 2: it's much more like relationship base.

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Speaker 1: It feels like here is its whole time.

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Speaker 3: I feel that way. It's funny because I feel that

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Speaker 2: It's hard though, because everyone's chasing this like really creative

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Speaker 2: so I get I get both sides of it. But

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Speaker 2: like everyone wants each person to succeed, and obviously everyone's

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Speaker 1: But I really feel that that's.

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Speaker 2: A huge difference between being creative in America versus being

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Speaker 2: But then what you get from Aussie's that you don't

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Speaker 2: When you were doing and I've got a list of

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Speaker 3: And I got to say that I still get as

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Speaker 3: And I love it. Was amazing.

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Speaker 2: So I know this is going to nerd out about

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Speaker 1: Asked a bit about the process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just it was more like, yeah, we

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Speaker 3: that you still keep the demos and you the demos

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting because and this is probably like deep

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Speaker 2: my boyfriend just finished composing a doco and he'd get

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Speaker 2: sent dailies and he'd have to cut like right to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's so much fun. Yeah, so much fun.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, right, goodness, but it's but then

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Speaker 2: also like, and this is where I'm really excited to

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Speaker 2: talk to you, Like you flick to more like the

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Speaker 2: commercial side, and this is where like even when I've

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Speaker 2: understand you're coming to this chat from an audio engineer's brain,

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Speaker 2: but you also understand the creative side because of your

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Speaker 2: it's your wife, right, that's also yeah yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 2: I guess you get the beauty of both worlds, or

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Speaker 1: Least understand both sides of it.

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Speaker 2: So like, and this is not to go back onto

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Speaker 2: Jersey Shore, but Ossie's listening to this will be big

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Speaker 2: Jersey Shaw fans. So was that the same thing, Like

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Speaker 2: were just like, let's create whatever we can.

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Speaker 3: That actually we we just had songs. That was part

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Speaker 3: it was our band and they we just pitched them.

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Speaker 3: publishers we were working with, Y're good. Yeah it was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But there's a real like there's a when you're here

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Speaker 3: kind of lose focus on the like like I wanted

440
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 3: to be a musician, like I wanted a tour, I

441
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 3: wanted to play, you know what I mean. Like that's

442
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: but if you just stick with it and stay through,

443
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: there's a home for you somewhere in this industry. You

444
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 3: just have to be open into it.

445
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 2: And you know a thousand do you know that this

446
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: is the first time I've ever done voice training this school.

447
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 2: I've never done voice like I've done dialect training of

448
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: course to come to America. But I've never ever done

449
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 2: voice training. And I call my mate after doing the

450
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 2: animation course and I was like, I don't even know

451
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: if I'm good at it, but mate, I love it.

452
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: I've just got to book in for the next one.

453
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: I got to keep learning.

454
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 2: And I think like it's that it's like just chasing

455
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 2: that feeling as well of being like, hey, this feels good.

456
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 2: Why not just keep trying it on totally?

457
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: You know, But I feel like that's I mean, especially

458
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: in the character world, like we the people who stick

459
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 3: to it are generally the people who work a lot

460
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 3: of people come, we get more. I deal with more

461
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 3: emails of like I want to do I do funny voices,

462
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: or we get like I do funny voices for my kids, right,

463
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 3: I do impressions or whatever. And to be I mean,

464
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: it sucks, but that has so little to do with it.

465
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 3: Most of it is just sticking with it and meeting

466
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: the right people and going to the enough classes and

467
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 3: learning and things. And it's like anything else, Like, you know,

468
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: you don't jump from A to zee in any other industry,

469
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 3: why would you in this creative industry? You know?

470
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: This is another story about why I love Los Angeles

471
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: so much. But I was borrowing a car off an

472
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: Australian actor and I I had never met them before,

473
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: but I had to meet her and swap keys and

474
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 2: she goes, oh, I need your voice, and I said what,

475
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: and she's like, I need an Australian. I've just been

476
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: booked as an Aussie on a movie, but I've been

477
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: living here for sixteen years. I've lost my australianaist. And

478
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 2: she's like, can I pay you for you to record

479
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 2: my lines? And I was like, don't pay me, just

480
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: take me to coffee. This is gonna be so much fun.

481
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 3: I rock up.

482
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: She's got this massive lions Gate script like and we

483
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: went through doctored the script to make it sound more Australian,

484
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,959
Speaker 2: and then I recorded every single line she had to

485
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: do in Aussie. Cut to like two weeks ago, I

486
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: went to the movie premiere of her this lead in

487
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: a rom com that's coming out, Like it's just being

488
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: in the right.

489
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: It's also like doing the work.

490
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: But also I have this thing about like staying ready,

491
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: like and really open to the opportunity, because if you're

492
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: just always in classes, working plugging away, I think you're

493
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: doing everything right, and then there's like this little bit

494
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: of luck or this little bit of opportunity, and you've

495
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: just got to be so ready totally to jump. And

496
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 2: like even I don't know, like a weekgo, she's like, hey,

497
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: can you see me your voice demo? She's like, someone

498
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: needs an Australian accent. You're perfect, blah blah blah. And

499
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: it might not ever turn into anything, but it only

500
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: takes one of those things and then you're in the

501
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: machine totally right.

502
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 3: And that's and it's you just never know when I

503
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: think people expect that those things to start happening in

504
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,239
Speaker 3: the day they say I want to do voice, yeah,

505
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: and it's it's not really like it's you know, you

506
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 3: work and you keep going, you keep going, and then

507
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: you you end up having a demo and once you

508
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: have that piece of material, then you can you know,

509
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: then then you're ready to just like at any moment,

510
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 3: as long as you do the prep work getting getting there,

511
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: Like it's really easy to plug you into the machine

512
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: once you're once you're there.

513
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: When you're ready, I'm working hard. So I wanted to

514
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: ask you obviously, like I've got to know you through

515
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: being training in voiceovers. But so many people have a

516
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: podcast nowadays, and we're recording this in your beautiful studio.

517
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: It feels kind of weird to not have my normal

518
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: pod gear and headphone, you know what I mean. It

519
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: feels kind of surreal, but it's beautiful and it sounds

520
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: so nice in here. But I guess I wanted to

521
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: ask you about like there are so many people with

522
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: pods right now and you can hear if they sound

523
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: good or not, yeah, within about three seconds, And I thought, like,

524
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: can we talk a little bit about like simple a

525
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: few simple tricks to make a pod or a voice

526
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: for a voice, or you've got a really cute series

527
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: on YouTube.

528
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: Where you're like, let's talk about when you get dry

529
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: mouth or mouth.

530
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: It's like there's a few little like hacks that don't

531
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: necessarily need to cost the world, but like and even

532
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: understanding like mic placement and how close you should be,

533
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: like the amount of guests that I.

534
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Will research the guest.

535
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: And again, because my boyfriend does all the editing in

536
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: the podcast, is like this guest just never talks into

537
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: the mic. He like, because people if they haven't done

538
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: a pod before and they're telling a story, sometimes they're

539
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: going to lean back, they're going to use their arms,

540
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: and the mic doesn't exist in one of them, and

541
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: so I'll often have to like train the guests and

542
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: be like, hey, okay, just this mic is your friend,

543
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: not not like forget about even me, you know what

544
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: I mean, just make it about that might and so, like,

545
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: have you got any like simple hacks for like a

546
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: podcaster or like someone that wants to be a voiceover actor.

547
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: I think, I mean on the podcast side, the biggest

548
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: tip is do research, train, Like plan planning is the

549
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: biggest thing that I see like fail any any podcast

550
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: production really, whether it's an interview style thing or a

551
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: scripted one or whatever. Not being prepared is that is

552
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: like it's I mean, you've done research, you've got notes,

553
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: but the thing is like, I mean, unfortunately or fortunately whatever,

554
00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: we kind of see every like we're doing a it's

555
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: a true crime thing. It's for Sony, and we just

556
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: did a full season of a scripted podcast that's gonna be.

557
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Like it's coming up in my auditions.

558
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: To it's amazing. I mean, it's essentially an animation show.

559
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: It's this is like an adult dark comedy. It's going

560
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: to be released on realm uh, it's called Murder by Grace.

561
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I can say that. I'm

562
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: sure we can put it. It's not it's not coming

563
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: out until for a while, but we just wrapped the

564
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: recording of it. But it's awesome. Like it's crazy to

565
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 3: see that podcasts means so many different things now. It's

566
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: not just people chatting about whatever. I mean, I can

567
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: say that the things that aren't going to do well

568
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: are just because you think you're funny, Like if they

569
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: do we've recorded, like they're like, oh we do stand up,

570
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna do this podcast and there's no form,

571
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: there's no outline, nobody has any questions, there's no bullet

572
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: points they're gonna hit, there's nothing that's gonna happen, and

573
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: you just talk for like I know, you guys are

574
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: to listen to this. Your significant others if you had them,

575
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: and your moms are gonna like it. But like that's

576
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: that's it. Like there's seven hundred and something thousand active

577
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: releasing podcasts in the world. Like wow, I heard that

578
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: statistic somewhere.

579
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how exactly true what I mean, So

580
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: for me, like I couldn't not Like I got invited

581
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: out to drinks last night and I was like, no,

582
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: I've got a podcast tomorrow. That's just not an option.

583
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: Like I need to go over my notes and work

584
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: on them. Like I just the thought of going into

585
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: a podcast and I get interviewed sometimes as a guest

586
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: for my writing and stuff, and it is like I

587
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: can just breathe because I don't even it's so relaxing.

588
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: Where is this part of it is? It's a job,

589
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: but it is awesome because you do get to like

590
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: pick someone's brains like yours. So okay, so make sure

591
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: that you're well researched, keep the content, like make it

592
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: at least have content that is planned.

593
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about like.

594
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Because often for me, if I'm we have the luxury

595
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: of being in this beautiful space today, but often I'll

596
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: travel to a guest or a guest will come to

597
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: me and I don't have a sound boost in LA.

598
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: So is it about finding a smallish space? Is it

599
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: about like having good mics? Like what's important?

600
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think the better the gear,

601
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: the better the audio is going to be. But honestly,

602
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: like con the like narrative is going to be key,

603
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's like I've.

604
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: Done episodes in my car because like the acoustics are

605
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: bad and as long as we've got the mics in

606
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: the right kind of placement. And it's when I've been

607
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: flown to another city and I'm like, let's just sit,

608
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: like we find a quiet road.

609
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, bizarrely great. Well, and yeah, you said

610
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: you had the zoom recorder. Yeah, I mean those hard

611
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: disk recorders are great because they're portable and they don't crash.

612
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: I've traveled all over the world with it.

613
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean I honestly like, well, what kind

614
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: of mics do you use for roads the road? The

615
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: little shotguns or the.

616
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: No no, no, they're called nt ones or something, and

617
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: they've got the big cause they're popper.

618
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what are it doesn't matter.

619
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: Like I know, I went through our course notes and

620
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: you did this beautiful list of like different kinds of

621
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: and then I really noted out and went to Guitar

622
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Send to here in LA and I was like, Okay,

623
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: let's look at all the different interfaces and zoom recorders

624
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: and mics and headphones and you could easily blow so

625
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: much money at that place, so much money.

626
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: I will say. The one thing that I that a

627
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: lot of like the cheaper USB mics that people buy. Yeah,

628
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: they usually sound like shit.

629
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: The main reason is like I don't like them as

631
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: they're usually noisy and they're usually super sensitive. When when

632
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: you put your headphones on, your first reaction is like, oh,

633
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: this is cool, Like you can hear everything. But if

634
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: you can hear your fucking cat breathing on the other

635
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: side of the room, that's not good. Yeah, like that's

636
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: you don't want that any good, like you want us like,

637
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: but you'll hear like the ticking of the stove as

638
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: it cools down because you just cooked made cookies, like yeah,

639
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: like you shouldn't hear that stuff. And you recording, Like

640
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: if you're recording in your living.

641
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: Room, can you also say in class like some people

642
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: record accidentally backwards into it. Well, if they've got a

643
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: year to like so you know that one that everyone's.

644
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: Gone yeah, yeah, people talking to the top of that

645
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: thing or the back of it or whatever. I mean,

646
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: that's honestly, look at the literature of your microphone. Learn

647
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: where the front of the microphone is. I wish this

648
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: wasn't didn't sound so elementary. But trust if you see

649
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: the like social media pictures, I see like it's a conversation.

650
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: So even for me, like okay, I had a cheat,

651
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: I had my boyfriend to be like, right, this is

652
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: the way to use the mic. This is like how

653
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: to measure how close your mouth should be from the mic.

654
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: But I even saw on your instadu yesterday, like when

655
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: we do that, it's a hands distance, right, and you're

656
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: like that literally means from your mouth to the top

657
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: of the mic should touch, like touch between your thumb

658
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: and pinki.

659
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah, as opposed to like see well

660
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: and MIC's like this like you can get right up

661
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: on them. I mean there's like this is I mean,

662
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: this isn't really these dynamic microphones. You don't even really

663
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: want to have that much space.

664
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love how I and this is me

665
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: like deep diving you on YouTube by the way, so

666
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: I hope you don't mind, but I love how you said.

667
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Like the people that do pro is it promo work,

668
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: it's called they will get like really close and like

669
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: almost kind of not whisper, but like they'll almost it's

670
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: is it the base that lifts or something changes they're

671
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: really close.

672
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: With the base. Proximity effects is that what it is?

673
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: When you get closer to the mic, it sounds warmer. Yeah,

674
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: it's like a false I forget the exact term, but

675
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: it's base. It's proximity effect is what they call it. Uh,

676
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: it's like an artificial boosting of the bass that microphones do.

677
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: How cool is that?

678
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: It's rad Yeah, I mean that's and promo guys do

679
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: they use that to their advantage? Ah? But I mean

680
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: you can use that in character work and stuff too.

681
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean people do that where I mean you can

682
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: get really closer if you're talking intimate and then get

683
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: away and yell like yeah, but you could get use

684
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: the microphone for that.

685
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: How interesting though.

686
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to talk to you about mouth noises

687
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: because I think especially no I know it's a weird one,

688
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: but like especially I think when you're nervous, like you

689
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: swallow more or you can get dry mouth or I

690
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: didn't realize that. Legitimately the hack was Grenny Smith apples

691
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: and water. Is that really the best?

692
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: It works? Really well? Yeah? I see so many people

693
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: who have like dry mouth from like allergies or whatever.

694
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: Those shelter sessions with like a little baggy of slices.

695
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I mean it just works. I don't know

696
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: why it works, but it works.

697
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: And does milk make your mouth? Your mouth sound weird?

698
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: I think so?

699
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: Really, I don't know.

700
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know. It depends on it's

701
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: weird because dry mouth is one of those weird things,

702
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: like it affects everybody differently, Like it's caused from like allergies,

703
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: but allergy medicine can cause it, like if you have

704
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: a cold, that can cause you know.

705
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: It got me when I had COVID because I recall

706
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: weekly diary episodes and I would lose my breath like

707
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: seven times in a ten minute diary and have to

708
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: have a coughing fit.

709
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: It was the worst feeling.

710
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks.

711
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: It's the worst.

712
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: Because like if you can't breathe properly, like your your

713
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: nervous systems eft up anyway from it and you can't

714
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: come down and find your natural cadence again. It's really stressful.

715
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bloody COVID.

716
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: So what about in the VO world?

717
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: Like I remember we talked about creating spaces in class

718
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: where it was really interesting to hear people be like, yeah,

719
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: I was, I was under my douner or I was

720
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: in my closet. Whereas I guess, because I've got these

721
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: beautiful microphones, I'm just like, just get comfortable, Lola, be

722
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: close to the mic. Check there's no wind blowers outside

723
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: your window and stuff like that. But the thing that

724
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: I've realized training here, we always stand when we're in

725
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: the booth and stand for recording. But because I come

726
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: from podcast world with all my stuff, I'll sit for

727
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: all of my auditions because it's comfortable to me. It's

728
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: what I It's just like how I'm like, okay, we're

729
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: recording now, But I like the energy more of standing.

730
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: But the thought of doing it in a closet like standing,

731
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just feel with the music set

732
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: just feels kind of weird to me. What Like I

733
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: guess like for home people that are at home home studios,

734
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: can you literally do it in bedroom closet totally?

735
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: I mean most people, I mean that's kind of ideal,

736
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: But as far as like sitting or standing, I don't

737
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: think there's a right rules. No, Like I know, my

738
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: wife sits for all of it, like she does a

739
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: ton of you like, so that's what she does for

740
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: a living. So is it true?

741
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Kids toys in there in there to soak up the sound.

742
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: I've seen people, yeah, with like stuffed animals in there

743
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: instead of because they don't have a budget for acoustic treatment.

744
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: Like I mean, start with what you have, like bring

745
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: dou vet covers in, bring you know, sweatshirts in, bring

746
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: what you know.

747
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: What I mean, So it soaks up the sound, basically

748
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: sows up the sound.

749
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is that technically correct? Probably not, but

750
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, like make it, make it work. I mean yeah,

751
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: I trying to like back to like, you know, working

752
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: with people who may or may not have a budget

753
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: for this, Like you do need to buy gear, and

754
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: it's not cheap, it's not you know, no money till

755
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: it's like you kind of need to spend like three

756
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: four hundred bucks on some stuff and if you can't,

757
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: like you're not going to be able to compete without that,

758
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: but you know you can you can skimp on some

759
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: things like that.

760
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: You said so well, like because I my mind is

761
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: like I've had my hood mics now for three and

762
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: a half years, and I was like, oh, do I

763
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: need to get new ones? And you're like, no, they're great,

764
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: you don't need it. So I think if you do

765
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: spend a little bit more and get something really good

766
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: quality totally, you've probably got it for as long as

767
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: you need totally.

768
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I mean the thing, like the difference between

769
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: voiceover and podcasting I think is there's there's usually if

770
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: you are going to record work in your home as

771
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: a voiceover artist, there's a little higher bar of expectation

772
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: for like noise floor and like the quality and things

773
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 3: like that, whereas podcasts, like we're all a little more forgiving, yeah,

774
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: with the type of microphones and the type of because

775
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: we listen to podcasts where even something that's recorded in

776
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: the studio could get interspliced with like on the go

777
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: like you know, like like kind of like journalistic like

778
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 3: totally on the go interview kind of thing.

779
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: So well, I did a true crime LA one when

780
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: we went to all these different murder sites with a medium.

781
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: I took a psychic medium with me.

782
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Amazing, but like you're outside this helicopters over the ti

783
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: top of you. You're just standing there with that little

784
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: zoom recorder and you're just like wow. And then we

785
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: did all the like little bits between in the car

786
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: to like get a bit of a clearer sound, and

787
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: I just was like, well, this is going to sound

788
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: like it's a roving reporter because of a documentary.

789
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, like a real world documentary. Yeah.

790
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: It's so interesting though, Like and this is where I've

791
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: come to love the mic so much, as like they

792
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: become like this extension of you and whether you're yeh,

793
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: sitting in an environment like this, or you're at home

794
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: or at the kitchen table, whatever it is. Like I

795
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: noticed when we were out roving, like jumping out at

796
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: where Charles Manson's gang went bananas, you know, and you're like, shit,

797
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: like you can never forget about Like it's like that

798
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: it feels like the most important I know it is

799
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: the most important piece of the puzzle. But that's why

800
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: I like was excited to talk to you a little

801
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: bit about like getting gear that like makes you feel

802
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: good too uncomfortable, and like I forget how much I

803
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: like it's like a comfort to me to record on

804
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: my like good gear.

805
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: Right totally. I mean I think that's I'm always I'm

806
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: sort of big on like everybody wants to focus on

807
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: the gear, and we definitely like fetishize the mics of

808
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: the idol and the VO world especially, but it's more

809
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: about just getting something and getting comfortable with it and

810
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: getting back to what really matters, which in the podcast

811
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: world is the content or in the in the VO world,

812
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: is your reads.

813
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

814
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: I mean, so the quicker you get comfortable with your

815
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: recording software, your mic or whatever it is, the settings

816
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: you need, the quicker you can get back to what

817
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: actually matters, you know. Yeah, I'm an audio engineer, so

818
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: I love the gear and I'll geek out about it.

819
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: But the more I get into this industry, the less

820
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: I realize it really like it's my job to care

821
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: about that. But yeah, I listen to podcasts where it's

822
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: like even things that are produced by like NPR and

823
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: stuff like it's not National Public Radio like bigger budget,

824
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 3: like you know, journalistic style podcasts, like they use studios,

825
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: they use whatever, but they also do stuff on the

826
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: road and there's found clips and they use news stories

827
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: and it's so yeah, yeah, we're used to these things

828
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: that being cut together and it's kind of different, so

829
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 3: it's not Yeah, it's so interesting.

830
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: Can you share with me for you personally? A career

831
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: highlight but also a like low light or a challenging time.

832
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Well, I will say what last it was it last summer?

833
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: Last summer, yeah, I think twenty twenty one, we did

834
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: a full season of for Discovery Channel Serengetti Too, which

835
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: was all narrated by Academy Award winner Lupita Nuongo. Oh wow,

836
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: that was pretty incredible having her in here in the

837
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: studio and doing that whole process in the middle of

838
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: the pen. Maybe it was two years ago, because it

839
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: was definitely like pandemic times. That was definitely it was

840
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: a lot to deal with Discovery Channel. The production the

841
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: production company was in the UK, and then there was

842
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: so that was That was a lot that was a big,

843
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: a big one. And then that same summer we actually

844
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: did a we did an English dub of a French

845
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: documentary on Notre Dame, Notre Dame the Cathedral that burned.

846
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: It was a fireman documentary and we cast with Brent

847
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: Alan Hagel, who heads up a trailer voice artist. He

848
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: did the casting for us and then we recorded. I

849
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: think it was a cast of like fifteen or sixteen

850
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: in the height of the pandemic twenty twenty and almost

851
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: all remote Records. Production was in New York. The actual

852
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: studio who was running it and releasing it to ABC

853
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: was here in LA but the team who the brothers

854
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: were in Paris who did it, and so it was

855
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: just it was crazy. When that all finished, I was like,

856
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: maybe I do know what I'm doing, which it was

857
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 3: like it was one of those things like just yeah, yeah,

858
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: those are big highlights. I mean, I don't know about

859
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: low lights. I mean, I don't know. I mean what.

860
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: About was it challenging setting this up?

861
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Like this would have to be like you're putting your

862
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: life savings into this. Yeah, to go from also like

863
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: bartending and then being like get like and doing that

864
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: on the side while you're organizing and building and working on.

865
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: This, Yeah, that was I mean, the struggle to build

866
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: a small business with part time bartender money was definitely,

867
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was something. It was. I

868
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: was really lucky the place that I worked at, I'd

869
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: been there for about seven years and I was the

870
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: bar manager at the time. So I went from four

871
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: days a week down to three days a week, down

872
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: to two days a week, and then I asked my

873
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: boss if I could go down to one day a

874
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: week and he was like that's not a thing, like yeah, yeah,

875
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: maybe it's time you go. And I was like, damn

876
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: it because I was scared. I had never not had

877
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: like a survival job, but it was I didn't really

878
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: need it, but it was hard. I needed that kick

879
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: out of the nest sort of thing. But it was tough.

880
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: But even then, like we decided a year ago to

881
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: expand and add this space, which was I mean, we

882
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: were kind of right back in it. We were like,

883
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: I mean from from being the most comfortable I had

884
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: ever been financially to right back to like I don't

885
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: know if we're going to pay rent next month and

886
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: like like literally in January of this year. But that's

887
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: kind of being a small business. Like you can never

888
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: grow if you don't take the risk, if not willing

889
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: to do it. It's been a growing it's been. It's

890
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: been a growing like a process like learning and like

891
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: figuring out, like I don't know, it's it's been. It's

892
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: been fun but tough.

893
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

894
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: Being a small business is not easy, No, I might

895
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: like I love that. You ever see that there's there's

896
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: an audio that people put on their like Instagram reels.

897
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: It's like I I it's like people showing what they

898
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: do for a small business. Like I didn't want to

899
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: work a nine to five job, so I started a

900
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: small business. Now I work twenty four to seven. Yeah,

901
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: that's the audio. It's like it's so true. I mean

902
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: that's that's literally like, yeah, you don't. I can't say

903
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: if you ever want to start a business, if if

904
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: you want a smart small business, like you do not

905
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: own a business. The business owns you. It is that

906
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 3: that saying exists for like, yeah, it's.

907
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Actually he like you are Californian taxi like it is

908
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: ad it is hard. I'm learning it all now being

909
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: an American resident, and I'm like, oh my goodness, we

910
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: don't have that nostrolia, like very different.

911
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know anything about like I luckily

912
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: I have an accountant now who I like she we

913
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have a business if she becauld. I get

914
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: things in the mail and like they're like you owe this.

915
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is?

916
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

917
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, the county wants something, in the

918
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: city wants something, the state wants something. The government with

919
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: the federal government.

920
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: So big it's insane.

921
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: It's just none of it's too much. It's just it's

922
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: a lot.

923
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

924
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: It's a lot. Like how is anybody supposed to know

925
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 3: this stuff as a small business?

926
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: And also so I'm working in a creative industry. Wow,

927
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: So it's like your brain is wired to like create

928
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: cool stuff. Yeah, and this is like quite linear, Like

929
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: the back end of the business is much more linear

930
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: and like crossing t's and dotting eyes, which isn't as fun.

931
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 3: No, it's not. I if you had told me when

932
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: I went to audio engineering school in twenty ten that

933
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: I would spend six to seven hours of my day

934
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: doing emails and admin, which has kind of become my role. Yeah,

935
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: because it has to be, but it's sort of like

936
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: it won't be. Yeah, but I will say like over

937
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean, speaking of co Covid, I had COVID twice

938
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: in the last two months, which is crazy. I haven't

939
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: had it at all until two months ago. And twice,

940
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: but the first time was over probably not probably. It

941
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: was the busiest two weeks of the studio's history, both

942
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: booking and financially and everything, and I wasn't here for

943
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: any of it. So I mean, obviously being able to

944
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: like do everything you know, coach on zoom and make

945
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: sure my engineering was going on.

946
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Class is our first class was on Zoom, remember that's right?

947
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Zoom classes. I hate to admit it.

948
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean it's a weird flex to say the pandemic

949
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: is wildly good to me, but it was. I mean,

950
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: we were already doing Zoom classes before the pandemic, so

951
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: it was an easy switch for us, But it was

952
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: it was that we were one of the very first

953
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: studios doing vo classes to just be like, we're doing

954
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: everything on Zoom and everybody was bored. So like the

955
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: day after the lockdown happened, we announced our full calendar

956
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: on Zoom and.

957
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: Everyone would have gone out, got their little mic, got

958
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: a us fake and then just being like here we go.

959
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: We went from doing like four classes five classes a month,

960
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: to like ten a week and like two So yeah,

961
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: it was crazy, And a lot of it had to

962
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: do with like there was old stalwarts, like like old

963
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: like old like like trusted, you know, old trusted studios

964
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: that had been teaching voiceover classes for thirty years that

965
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: just wouldn't they just wouldn't go online. And the longer

966
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: they waited, the more irrelevant they seemed Yeah, as work

967
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: turned to in home and remote and like not just

968
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: like weird quirky commercial, like a weird quirky like corporate things.

969
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: Big video games to be recorded at home. Animation was

970
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: getting recorded home and like, yeah, there was no budgets

971
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: to get people kits and things like that. But I

972
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: think the industry changed.

973
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: So my mate who I just interviewed on the podcast

974
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: was in the new Obi Wan Kenobi Oh cool and all,

975
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: and she lives part in Portugal and all of her

976
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: ADR was done in Portugal, like and some of the

977
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: idea she's done for other movie she's like, yeah, we've

978
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: done it from our home or like we do quite.

979
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: A bit of of ad R for there's about five

980
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: or six studios in Manchester and London that you know,

981
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: stars traveled because productions are here and then they're there. Yeah,

982
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: and so they're doing post on something. They pop in

983
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: and have fun. But it's amazing we can do it

984
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: remotely and yeah, the voiceover World was already doing that

985
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: before the pandemic, so it was just it was poised

986
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: to just keep moving and it did.

987
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day long.

988
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: Final question, what's your advice for I will say, like

989
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 2: true pronged here, but like like someone that really wants

990
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: to dive into the vo world, but also like someone

991
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: that wants to work more in the sound engineering like

992
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, and like, is there like some bit

993
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: of advice for people that are like I think, I

994
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: kind of I think, I kind of like want to

995
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: do this, but I don't know where to start.

996
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: I think the answer for both is education, training classes, whatever.

997
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean. I on the audio engineering side, I think

998
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: I had read every pro tools book I could get

999
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: my hands on and couldn't put a mix together to

1000
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: save my life, Like it just did. Everything fell apart

1001
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: until I went to school and I learned there was

1002
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: a curriculum there was that was twenty ten, so it

1003
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: was just before there was a massive wealth of information

1004
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: on YouTube. Things were starting to happen in that timeframe

1005
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: for that kind of instruction, but it wasn't the way

1006
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: it is now. However, learning tips and tricks on YouTube

1007
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: three to four to seven minutes at a time doesn't

1008
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: always give you the context you need for workflow for

1009
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 3: actually how things work in a real studio. And I

1010
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: will say going to Musicians Institute and another audio engineering

1011
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 3: program definitely set you up for that. There's a lot

1012
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: of things that are a little rooted in old world,

1013
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: like we've got to record on an analog console and

1014
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: we had to do drums and which is fun. That

1015
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: might not totally translate to what you want to do,

1016
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: but at least you learn these like very like kind

1017
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: of arduous workflows that are aren't you know, they set

1018
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: you up for success and other things On the vo side,

1019
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: same thing. Classes are classes are invaluable, I think for

1020
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: a couple of reasons. Number one, you need to learn

1021
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: the skills to be a good actor. Most of the

1022
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: people who are successful in vo have some sort of

1023
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: acting backgrounds. Some of them even went to you know,

1024
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: have a master's in theater and ball like they're true

1025
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: when they go in the base of totally they I mean,

1026
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: but it's they come from that world. They're they're true

1027
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: like students of the craft. Having said that, like you

1028
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: can gain the skills and catch up with them very

1029
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: quickly because voiceover is a very specific world. The other

1030
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: part of it is community, like you've talked about, like

1031
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: meeting teachers who also work in the industry, meeting the

1032
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: engineers who work in the industry, meeting in the studios learning,

1033
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: you know, learning from casting people, like just learning these

1034
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: people like the whole like it takes a village, stupid

1035
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: thing like it. It does exist, like you've said already

1036
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: like a couple of times, like people really do prop

1037
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: each other up and definitely is one of those worlds where.

1038
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: It's a very nice world.

1039
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: Like I actually met an actor on Wilding a short

1040
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: film together, and we were just changed. She's like, yeah,

1041
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: I'm training improfit Groundlings and I was like, I'm about

1042
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: to do voice training anyway. We just like messaged and

1043
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: went for a hike like two weeks later and I

1044
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: was like, come do this course with me. And then

1045
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: she came to the video game call and then what

1046
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know about her was like she was so

1047
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: funny in all these like like she tapped into this

1048
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: whole different side that I didn't get to see on

1049
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: the short film.

1050
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's funny.

1051
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: There's something about the vo world is like you start

1052
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 2: to find your strengths that it might be different into

1053
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: your acting chops as well. They kind of do. They

1054
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: do feel like different families in a way. But I

1055
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: love that. Oh I love the community. Thank you so

1056
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: so much. I'm going to put all the details about

1057
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: Real Voice LA in the show notes too, so people

1058
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: can because this is mainly a nausey audience, so people

1059
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: can join on zoom or if you're in LA. I

1060
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: highly highly recommend these courses. Love them, amazing, thank you, awesome,

1061
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: we thank you. That's a wrap on another episode of

1062
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests, and

1063
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry.

1064
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

1065
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,560
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1066
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