WEBVTT - Michael Kelly: JACK RYAN - Actor 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.560 TV Reloaded podcast. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Last week Deadline. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.240 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris, 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.560 and on this podcast I go behind the scenes with 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.960 the biggest players in television. Each episode you will get 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.520 a front row seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.959 and casting agents, plus the talent that we see on 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.920 our screens. TV Reload reloads the shows that we're all 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.600 currently watching and gives you a better insight into our 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.400 television industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.040 I have a special chat with Hollywood film and television 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.600 actor Michael Kelly, who is promoting the latest series Jack Ryan, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.920 which launches season three this week on Prime Video Australia. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.520 Michael Kelly plays Mike November alongside Jack Ryan, who's played 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.680 by John Krasinski, who is an international fugitive who is 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.320 again racing against the clock to prevent global catastrophe. The 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.000 popular characters are from the best selling novels written by 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.760 Tom Clancy, novels that live in most homes around the world. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.400 Michael Kelly is an actor who I honestly love. He's 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.960 played many roles in film and television like House of 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.119 Cards and the film Unbreakable. I will ask Michael today 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.440 how this role came, about, what producers promised him and 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.520 why his role has changed a little bit in series three. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.640 We will also talk about that iconic role in Unbreakable, 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.240 because that film I absolutely love, and of course I'll 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.560 find out what he's up to here in Australia. However, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.440 let's get started on today's episode as I welcome Michael 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.560 Kelly to the podcast TV Reload. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.320 Jack Ryan, I think plays really well on long format, Jacob. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.280 I can only imagine what's going on in your head 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.360 right now. So I wasn't ready necessarily to commit to 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.840 another six year show. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.000 Every day you're under run, you're digging a hole that 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.080 you may not be able to get out. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.720 Of those two men playing the same character, of course 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.279 you're going to get similar and it's. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:48.800 A small group of hard line Russians former Plans Preserve USSR. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.680 Mine November went through a real transition, especially the way 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.040 we see him in season three. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.200 You're about to cross the line and there may be 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:56.920 no going back. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.720 Because I'm trying to do the right thing. Dan, I'm 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.600 going to say, like dance Monkey. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.240 Hi Michael Kelly, how are you, and welcome to Australia. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.079 I'm very well, Benjaminoris, thank you so much and thanks 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:11.880 for having me. And it's incredible here. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.519 Did you decide to come to Australia to launch this 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.040 new series of Jack Ryan or did John drag you here? 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.320 Like what's made you come down to Australia? 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:22.880 You know, I'm not sure. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.000 I've heard different things about how this all went down 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.880 because we were in Brazil, we had to go to 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.560 the CIA after that, or I'm sorry, we got to 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.120 go to the CIA after that and then came here. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.960 So it's been a bit of crazy travel. But John 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.760 was here obviously working or working on post production on 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.880 his film, and I think the way it went was 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.640 he was speaking without one of our publishers here and said, well, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:47.720 Michael kelly'll come. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.200 I don't come. I was like then, Carlin, I was like, hell, yeah, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:51.639 I'll come. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.000 So as hard as it's been, I was just like, 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.400 I am not going to pass up the opportunity to 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:57.360 see Australia. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:57.960 I've never been here. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.679 Had you been? So you've never been here before? No? 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.760 Wow? So I feel so grateful to have got to 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:05.440 come on this trip. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.359 We need to talk about the show. But I feel like, 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.680 you know all Ozsie's love to give you the suggestion 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.679 as to where to go. Have you just stayed in 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.520 Sydney or are you going to try and venture out? 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.679 I did already, man, I got to go to the 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.880 Great Barrier read that's all. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.919 That's all I was going to suggest. That's it. You've done. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:20.880 You finished Australia. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.720 I went to that beautiful little Elliott Island Eco Resort. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.679 I cannot say enough about that place is so special. 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.960 You know, it's nothing like It's not like a crazy 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.640 fancy resort. It's a you know, self sustaining dirt runway 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:42.440 like it was magical and I truly feel more connected 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.200 to myself and to the earth than I have in 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.440 a very long time. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.920 I'm glad that you had that opportunity. I did breakfast 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.400 radio for three years right near the Great Barrier reef 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.640 and we used to take competition winners to Lady Elliott, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:57.760 you know, just on the weekend, just as you do. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.320 It's not the most insane thing like I just couldn't 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.880 believe it, man, I couldn't. I couldn't believe it. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.400 Yes, it's funny, right They give you the ear plugs 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.080 for next year in bed and I was like, why 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.640 in the world would you need ear plugs in the 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.600 middle of nowhere? And then you for birds. They don't 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.560 stop that I stopped, They don't stop, and they just 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.799 keep going all through the night, all through the morning. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.480 But I didn't want the ear plugs, and I didn't. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.920 I just left the screen door open and the screen 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:28.960 door closed. Sorry, I'm not gonna I'm. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:29.480 Not that crazy. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.120 Australian spot is the snakes will come and get you, mate. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.599 It was so funny. We went by to a room 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.520 one night and I went to close my door and 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.840 something just came flying in. I was like, son, bit, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.320 what was that. I just like, I'm not going to 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:45.920 find it. I'm not going to find it. Sover a 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:46.880 sleeping together tonight. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.800 Well, congratulations, congratulations on this role. You know, I grew 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.880 up watching and loving the Tom Clancy characters. You know, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.560 how well did you know the universe before signing up 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:58.760 as Mike November? 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.280 I knew, you know, most American men my age were 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.960 boys during the come up into Tom Clancy, Jack Ryan, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.840 So did you live for it? Man? 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.760 It was like, who was playing mnaxt? 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.720 What was going to be the story and what was 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.440 going to be the film, and it's a really big 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.560 deal in our country. I'm not sure about here, but 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.560 he's an icon and so to get to be a 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.280 part of that was just an incredible honor. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.400 Man. All I remember was so my stepfather was English 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.480 and my grandfather Australian, but they loved the books, and 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.520 so whenever a film came out, right back to the 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.240 Hunt for Red October, we all got dragged as kids 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.039 off to see the films, so we didn't miss any 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.600 of them. And I can still remember Patriot Games. There 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.440 was a scene on the roof and I was so 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.400 terrified that my mum had to take me out to 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.680 get a chopped top. So the series is in my DNA. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.839 And so when you get you know, I was still 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:56.760 on House of Cards. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.520 I was finishing the end of that run and I 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.479 got the you know, would you be interested in coming 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.880 to join Jack Ryan for a year for one season? 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.479 And I was like, oh, hell yeah. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.880 You know, I didn't have to make because typically when 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.160 you jump onto another show, it's a six year contract. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.680 While that sounds good for the actor, it's beneficial of 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.760 the studio. Only they can keep you for six years, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:20.120 but if you want out, you. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:20.800 Can't get out. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.880 So I wasn't ready necessarily to commit to another six 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.719 year show. So they were like, Jack Ryan, one season, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.600 you in and out. I was like, sweet, wait, I 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:31.040 get to be. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.960 They sent me the first episode in the first season 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.600 they did, and I was like, oh my god, this 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.320 looks like a movie like John was so terrific as 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.960 Jack Ryan. I was like, yeah, guys, I'm in. And 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.480 then it just thankfully kept going. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.960 So I also love that you had sort of requirements 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.840 because House of Cards were so iconic, and obviously you 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.080 were kind of tired and looking for something different. So 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.080 he said, you know, don't put me in a suit. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.640 And then the first day you turned up, they put 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.360 you in a suit for Jack Ryan, and I just 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.360 thought that was that was genius. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.320 Totally, because the producers they straight up laden me. 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.080 They're like, no, man, maybe like, you know, a couple 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.480 scenes in a suit and time maybe maybe, like, but 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:10.200 hardly at all. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:11.280 And I was like, all right, cool. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.400 Oh by the way, I don't speak Spanish either, and 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.000 they were like, no problem, me hardly speaks any Spanish. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:17.840 I was like, okay, cool, I can because if you 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.960 need someone who speaks Spanish, you guys should probably hire 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.640 someone else. Even though I really wanted the job, I 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.480 was just being one hundred percent on it cut to 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.560 me having to learn interrogation scenes in Spanish and wearing 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:27.280 a suit and tie. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.200 I just can't believe how good you are at this. 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.520 And I honestly thought they'd kill you off in series two. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.400 So I was surprised pleasantly but to see you back 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.240 for season three, and I also noticed that they're getting 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.560 you to do more things, which made me wonder, did 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.320 you say, get rid of the ties, get rid of 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.280 the Spanish, I want to go out and do some 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.400 more action. Did they write that in for you or 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.000 were you just pleasantly surprised at that? 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.880 I certainly, you know, while we were doing two, and 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.520 as we got to the end of two, and. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:08:00.360 You saw as as Mike turned it, turned his back 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.760 so to speak, on the CIA because he knew. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.200 It was the right thing to do. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.240 In his heart, he knew Jack was right, and he 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.840 was like, I'm throwing it on the line. I'm going 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.120 So as that happened, I think the interesting thing that 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.720 happened with that was the relationship with Greer and Jack, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.440 their relationship grew, there was a familiarity, and it also 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.400 happened to coincide with me and John and Wendell becoming 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.360 very tight and very good friends. And so that sense 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.800 of humor that we have in real life started to 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.439 started to write some lines or that, and then it's 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.520 sort of the character. You know, on a show like this, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.480 you don't typically get to see a character make such 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.160 a change. You know, these shows are pretty straightforward. That's 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.120 your character, that's how you play. But my November went 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.400 through a real transition, especially the way we see him 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.440 in season three. You know, he's off on his own 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.959 and Jack needs his help. So it's been a you know, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:03.880 a great. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.040 Challenge as an actor to also get to do that 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:07.920 and change. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.599 You know. Well, I have it on good authority that 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.040 you get along with John very well, because I've been 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.360 watching a lot of interviews and I spoke to Publicity 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:18.839 and they were like, you guys have been having a 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.520 really good time. What do you think it is about 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.120 the relationship between the two of you that means you 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.440 guys have such a good time together. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.880 I think I don't know, really, I mean, I guess 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:33.719 we're very similar. People were both family first guys, you know, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.280 like that we share the same values. I'm not going 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:39.960 to say we share the same sense of humor because 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.480 he is ten times funnier than I am, but we 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.240 have a good laugh often. And so it was one 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.240 of those things where we just we met and it 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.439 was like, oh, it's like my brother, man, this is great, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.160 you know, And that relationship just grew and grew and grew, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.960 and I think at its core that we're both inside 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.600 kind of the same person and that you know, there's 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.520 nothing more important than family, and there's nothing more important 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.520 than every single place we went because we travel a 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.480 lot for the show. We literally travel the world, and 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.559 it's all about grabbing that experience wherever. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.599 We are, you know, And we both see that the 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:19.079 same way. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.760 Like we get to a city and it's like we're all, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.280 you know, we're gonna go see and do anything and 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.120 everything there is to do in those places, and so 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.160 we're adventures. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:28.959 I guess as well. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.920 I'm always thinking of the outtakes though, because I mean, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.880 you know, I think it's super hilarious that you and 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.079 John have the laugh so much, you know, and you 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.520 guys have that repertoise. I'm assuming that there's a lot 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.040 of outtakes that they have when I'm making the show 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.800 with some banter between the two of you. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.640 I mean, Jesus, we were doing press the other day 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.360 and I couldn't even get some We had to do 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.640 a couple things straight your camera and I was just like, nope, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.800 can do that. I kept dying laughing, And once we 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.960 start laughing, you can't stop. So the outtakes from the show. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.000 I can't imagine the amount of film wasted. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.840 My dad went out with this woman who was very 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.719 famous here in Australia and she was morning television was 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.160 what she did, and they would send all the outtakes 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.800 of the year as a Christmas present. So as kids 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.680 we used to watch all the outtakes and there was hundreds, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.200 but it was it was the funniest thing in the world. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:21.920 It was, you know, the best. Have they ever been 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.120 able to send you a tape of outtakes? So maybe 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:25.040 that's under lock and key. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.080 I've seen now, I've seen I've seen clips. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.360 Certainly when when the editor comes across a really you know, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.439 funny little thing, they'll they'll they'll share with us, or 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.600 production will or Amazon will, and it's it's fundering live 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.880 because you can, you know, you can take yourself back 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:41.400 to that day. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.240 And I remember one one really funny one that we 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.079 were funny enough. We were in New York. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.640 We had shot this scene in Budapeshe we shot it 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.360 again in another country because it wasn't right and it 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.880 was inside of a tent, right, So it was something 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.640 we could shoot in various locations. The exterior of that 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.120 shot in one location, and then the rest of it 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.080 was we just kept redoing it because it wasn't exactly right. Anyways, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.560 were in the third time through it and there rewrote 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.480 the dialogue and it was very complicated, like you know, 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.640 here's the pep up. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.360 You know, asset talk and all the CIA talk. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.560 And we had been going for hours and lunch wasn't 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.079 for another hour, and I was I was dying, and 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.160 they came by with these Jamaican beef patties for in 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.839 New York and I was like, and I don't. I 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.319 typically don't do that, especially when you're in a scene 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:33.120 with somebody. And I just housed it, ate it real 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.559 because they're like, we're ready to go, and I was like, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.000 I just jammed the whole thing down. And literally Jack 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.000 comes into the tent and he comes right up to me. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.839 In this take in particular, he came right up to 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.079 my face and I had seen this thing and I 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.920 had just burned, and he was just like Jesus Christ. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.080 And it was before we could get one. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.960 That was an infurrency, and I remember the producing director 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.920 was just sitting back there, going, this is it. Guy, 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.920 just waste my whole fucking day. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.400 This is great. The whole day. The two of us 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.680 were like two ten year old kids, just laughing so hard. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.040 It was really funny. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.040 That's the will teach you for hoovering it. You know. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.199 I was excited to chat with you today because I 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.560 have this theory and I was wondering whether you did 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.720 any research and watched this before you, you know, joined 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:24.600 John on the show. But do you think he's doing 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.800 a Harrison Ford impersonation with this character? I mean, is 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.480 that his inspiration? Because there's some moments in this show 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.040 where I'm like, who is that active that he sounds like? 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.800 And he sounds like Harrison Ford? 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.880 No, I think I see he does a little bit 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.559 sound like him, and I could certainly hear that, but 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.679 not it is certainly John is not one actor to 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.480 ever do someone like he's. He's his own thing, and 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.600 I think it's it's something I appreciate so much about 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.839 his work is that he would never you know, it's 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.560 always so unique what he does. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.720 It's so him, you know. I think those two guys, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.120 those two men playing the same character, of course you're 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.000 going to get similarities. But no, I can't speak for him, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.720 but I'm going to God on a limit. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.760 And say, no, I'm going to say that, Okay, who 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.079 just shows me with my fan it probably says more 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.319 about my favorite Jack Ryan to people ask you that 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.480 as well, who's your favorite Jack Ryan? After we've had 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.040 so many of them, and then make you obviously, if 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.120 we take John out of the equation, who is your favorite? 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.960 I can't it's isn't it funny? 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.400 Like it's hard to remove him from it once you've 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.080 seen it, right, it's hard to say yeah, because he 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.160 really is my favorite. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.200 And I think the reason he's my favorite is because 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:32.560 I feel, to a. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.920 Certain extent that he did what nobody else did by 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:40.440 bringing true heart and humanity to that character, true like 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.840 just real. It's something that I see a lot in 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.240 John's work. He has the ability to tap into this too, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.200 that thing that's inside of him, that humanity and that 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.040 heart and that passion and that drive, and it just 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.600 comes out through not it's not necessarily what he's saying sometimes, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.200 but it's just he has that ability to do that. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.840 And look, those are all fine, incredibly fine actors, they've 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.080 played the role over the years. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.000 But I think that's why he just that's what in 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.560 my head is Jack Ryan is John. Because of that, he. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.440 Kind of has like an every man sense to him. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.080 You want to be his friend, you know what I mean, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.560 Like he turns this character into something more real. I 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.840 think it's the that's the word. It's the realist of 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.960 seeing this character and in real world the most relatable 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.360 and you're rooting for him the whole way through it. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.120 I think he kind of has this every man quality and. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.720 I think, you know, I've heard him say in a 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.960 couple of interviews he says, you know, this is the 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.640 neatest thing about playing Jack Ryan. He says, is that 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.120 And I'm paraphrasing, so don't quote me exactly, but he said, basically, 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.520 you know that this is as a kid, you're reading 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.840 those books, you're watching those movies. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:47.720 It's someone you can become. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.320 He doesn't want to kay, he doesn't fly two lasers 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.040 out of his eyes. He is just the guy who 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.200 went to a good school, who went to the CIA, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.920 and he could be yourn extra neighbor. You never know 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.600 because Cee I didn't let you know if there's agents, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.120 as like you don't. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.160 Know your next just letting you know living next door 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.440 to a SI agent, We're just going to blow his 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:11.840 cover right now. Good luck with that. 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.280 But it makes it that much more believable, right like that. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.880 That's and I think that's why it is easy for 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.760 people to identify with that. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.600 You know, the show's kind of proof that Tave has 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.920 come such a long way with the quality of stunts 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.880 and the writing on this show. Yeah, what about for you? 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.560 Do you like telling stories and long form as opposed 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.040 to a film where obviously there's the time constraint of 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:35.920 you know, getting your beginning in the middle in and 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.080 out pretty quickly. As an actor, as a character actor, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.160 do you enjoy getting more involved? 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.440 Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, you look at look 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:49.400 it out. My November doesn't go through what he's gone 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.760 through from two to three in a short story format, 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.800 right in a film format, like it would be very 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.400 difficult to have all those things happen that change that 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.040 man so much that he does he does right, or 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.200 it would just be a little bit less believable because 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.560 you spend those a little bit of time and you 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.080 see it happen over time. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.119 I think it's far more interesting like that. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.399 I love doing films as well, but there are some 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.760 stories that are better suited for film, and there are 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.240 some stories that are better suited for longer format television 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.160 or streaming or whatever it's called today. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.159 I don't know it. Do you even call it television anymore? 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:25.399 But you know what I mean. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.840 Like Jack Ryan, I think plays really well in long 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.399 format because you can spend the time with these characters. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.360 You can understand the decisions more. You know, you understand 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.000 you watch Mission Impossible, you understand he goes from A 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.720 to B and it happens like that, and you get 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.240 it because the stories are very well written. But when 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.719 you get to see him make those decisions getting from 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.159 A to B and you see all those things happening, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.920 and what forces you down this path and then that 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.159 path and then that takes you to this path. For me, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.760 it's a I like living in you know, I'm watched 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.480 in eighteen eighty three right now, and you're just living 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.159 with these people and you can sit in silence for 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.920 a while, because that's what real life is like. Silence 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.920 happens and nothing happens, and then things happen. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:10.240 And I love it. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.119