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Speaker 1: television industry and our streaming services. Today on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I have a special chat with Hollywood film and television
Speaker 1: actor Michael Kelly, who is promoting the latest series Jack Ryan,
Speaker 1: which launches season three this week on Prime Video Australia.
Speaker 1: Michael Kelly plays Mike November alongside Jack Ryan, who's played
Speaker 1: by John Krasinski, who is an international fugitive who is
Speaker 1: again racing against the clock to prevent global catastrophe. The
Speaker 1: popular characters are from the best selling novels written by
Speaker 1: Tom Clancy, novels that live in most homes around the world.
Speaker 1: Michael Kelly is an actor who I honestly love. He's
Speaker 1: played many roles in film and television like House of
Speaker 1: Cards and the film Unbreakable. I will ask Michael today
Speaker 1: how this role came, about, what producers promised him and
Speaker 1: why his role has changed a little bit in series three.
Speaker 1: We will also talk about that iconic role in Unbreakable,
Speaker 1: because that film I absolutely love, and of course I'll
Speaker 1: find out what he's up to here in Australia. However,
Speaker 1: let's get started on today's episode as I welcome Michael
Speaker 1: Kelly to the podcast TV Reload.
Speaker 2: Jack Ryan, I think plays really well on long format, Jacob.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine what's going on in your head
Speaker 3: right now. So I wasn't ready necessarily to commit to
Speaker 3: another six year show.
Speaker 1: Every day you're under run, you're digging a hole that
Speaker 1: you may not be able to get out.
Speaker 2: Of those two men playing the same character, of course
Speaker 2: you're going to get similar and it's.
Speaker 3: A small group of hard line Russians former Plans Preserve USSR.
Speaker 2: Mine November went through a real transition, especially the way
Speaker 2: we see him in season three.
Speaker 3: You're about to cross the line and there may be
Speaker 3: no going back.
Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to do the right thing. Dan, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say, like dance Monkey.
Speaker 1: Hi Michael Kelly, how are you, and welcome to Australia.
Speaker 3: I'm very well, Benjaminoris, thank you so much and thanks
Speaker 3: for having me. And it's incredible here.
Speaker 1: Did you decide to come to Australia to launch this
Speaker 1: new series of Jack Ryan or did John drag you here?
Speaker 1: Like what's made you come down to Australia?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I've heard different things about how this all went down
Speaker 3: because we were in Brazil, we had to go to
Speaker 3: the CIA after that, or I'm sorry, we got to
Speaker 3: go to the CIA after that and then came here.
Speaker 3: So it's been a bit of crazy travel. But John
Speaker 3: was here obviously working or working on post production on
Speaker 3: his film, and I think the way it went was
Speaker 3: he was speaking without one of our publishers here and said, well,
Speaker 3: Michael kelly'll come.
Speaker 2: I don't come. I was like then, Carlin, I was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll come.
Speaker 3: So as hard as it's been, I was just like,
Speaker 3: I am not going to pass up the opportunity to
Speaker 3: see Australia.
Speaker 2: I've never been here.
Speaker 1: Had you been? So you've never been here before? No?
Speaker 2: Wow? So I feel so grateful to have got to
Speaker 2: come on this trip.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about the show. But I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know all Ozsie's love to give you the suggestion
Speaker 1: as to where to go. Have you just stayed in
Speaker 1: Sydney or are you going to try and venture out?
Speaker 2: I did already, man, I got to go to the
Speaker 2: Great Barrier read that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all I was going to suggest. That's it. You've done.
Speaker 1: You finished Australia.
Speaker 3: I went to that beautiful little Elliott Island Eco Resort.
Speaker 3: I cannot say enough about that place is so special.
Speaker 3: You know, it's nothing like It's not like a crazy
Speaker 3: fancy resort. It's a you know, self sustaining dirt runway
Speaker 3: like it was magical and I truly feel more connected
Speaker 3: to myself and to the earth than I have in
Speaker 3: a very long time.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you had that opportunity. I did breakfast
Speaker 1: radio for three years right near the Great Barrier reef
Speaker 1: and we used to take competition winners to Lady Elliott,
Speaker 1: you know, just on the weekend, just as you do.
Speaker 2: It's not the most insane thing like I just couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it, man, I couldn't. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's funny, right They give you the ear plugs
Speaker 3: for next year in bed and I was like, why
Speaker 3: in the world would you need ear plugs in the
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere? And then you for birds. They don't
Speaker 3: stop that I stopped, They don't stop, and they just
Speaker 3: keep going all through the night, all through the morning.
Speaker 3: But I didn't want the ear plugs, and I didn't.
Speaker 3: I just left the screen door open and the screen
Speaker 3: door closed. Sorry, I'm not gonna I'm.
Speaker 2: Not that crazy.
Speaker 1: Australian spot is the snakes will come and get you, mate.
Speaker 2: It was so funny. We went by to a room
Speaker 2: one night and I went to close my door and
Speaker 2: something just came flying in. I was like, son, bit,
Speaker 2: what was that. I just like, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: find it. I'm not going to find it. Sover a
Speaker 2: sleeping together tonight.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, congratulations on this role. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up watching and loving the Tom Clancy characters. You know,
Speaker 1: how well did you know the universe before signing up
Speaker 1: as Mike November?
Speaker 3: I knew, you know, most American men my age were
Speaker 3: boys during the come up into Tom Clancy, Jack Ryan,
Speaker 3: So did you live for it? Man?
Speaker 2: It was like, who was playing mnaxt?
Speaker 3: What was going to be the story and what was
Speaker 3: going to be the film, and it's a really big
Speaker 3: deal in our country. I'm not sure about here, but
Speaker 3: he's an icon and so to get to be a
Speaker 3: part of that was just an incredible honor.
Speaker 1: Man. All I remember was so my stepfather was English
Speaker 1: and my grandfather Australian, but they loved the books, and
Speaker 1: so whenever a film came out, right back to the
Speaker 1: Hunt for Red October, we all got dragged as kids
Speaker 1: off to see the films, so we didn't miss any
Speaker 1: of them. And I can still remember Patriot Games. There
Speaker 1: was a scene on the roof and I was so
Speaker 1: terrified that my mum had to take me out to
Speaker 1: get a chopped top. So the series is in my DNA.
Speaker 2: And so when you get you know, I was still
Speaker 2: on House of Cards.
Speaker 3: I was finishing the end of that run and I
Speaker 3: got the you know, would you be interested in coming
Speaker 3: to join Jack Ryan for a year for one season?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have to make because typically when
Speaker 3: you jump onto another show, it's a six year contract.
Speaker 3: While that sounds good for the actor, it's beneficial of
Speaker 3: the studio. Only they can keep you for six years,
Speaker 3: but if you want out, you.
Speaker 2: Can't get out.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't ready necessarily to commit to another six
Speaker 3: year show. So they were like, Jack Ryan, one season,
Speaker 3: you in and out. I was like, sweet, wait, I
Speaker 3: get to be.
Speaker 2: They sent me the first episode in the first season
Speaker 2: they did, and I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: looks like a movie like John was so terrific as
Speaker 2: Jack Ryan. I was like, yeah, guys, I'm in. And
Speaker 2: then it just thankfully kept going.
Speaker 1: So I also love that you had sort of requirements
Speaker 1: because House of Cards were so iconic, and obviously you
Speaker 1: were kind of tired and looking for something different. So
Speaker 1: he said, you know, don't put me in a suit.
Speaker 1: And then the first day you turned up, they put
Speaker 1: you in a suit for Jack Ryan, and I just
Speaker 1: thought that was that was genius.
Speaker 2: Totally, because the producers they straight up laden me.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, man, maybe like, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: scenes in a suit and time maybe maybe, like, but
Speaker 3: hardly at all.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 3: Oh by the way, I don't speak Spanish either, and
Speaker 3: they were like, no problem, me hardly speaks any Spanish.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, I can because if you
Speaker 3: need someone who speaks Spanish, you guys should probably hire
Speaker 3: someone else. Even though I really wanted the job, I
Speaker 3: was just being one hundred percent on it cut to
Speaker 3: me having to learn interrogation scenes in Spanish and wearing
Speaker 3: a suit and tie.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe how good you are at this.
Speaker 1: And I honestly thought they'd kill you off in series two.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised pleasantly but to see you back
Speaker 1: for season three, and I also noticed that they're getting
Speaker 1: you to do more things, which made me wonder, did
Speaker 1: you say, get rid of the ties, get rid of
Speaker 1: the Spanish, I want to go out and do some
Speaker 1: more action. Did they write that in for you or
Speaker 1: were you just pleasantly surprised at that?
Speaker 2: I certainly, you know, while we were doing two, and
Speaker 2: as we got to the end of two, and.
Speaker 3: You saw as as Mike turned it, turned his back
Speaker 3: so to speak, on the CIA because he knew.
Speaker 2: It was the right thing to do.
Speaker 3: In his heart, he knew Jack was right, and he
Speaker 3: was like, I'm throwing it on the line. I'm going
Speaker 3: So as that happened, I think the interesting thing that
Speaker 3: happened with that was the relationship with Greer and Jack,
Speaker 3: their relationship grew, there was a familiarity, and it also
Speaker 3: happened to coincide with me and John and Wendell becoming
Speaker 3: very tight and very good friends. And so that sense
Speaker 3: of humor that we have in real life started to
Speaker 3: started to write some lines or that, and then it's
Speaker 3: sort of the character. You know, on a show like this,
Speaker 3: you don't typically get to see a character make such
Speaker 3: a change. You know, these shows are pretty straightforward. That's
Speaker 3: your character, that's how you play. But my November went
Speaker 3: through a real transition, especially the way we see him
Speaker 3: in season three. You know, he's off on his own
Speaker 3: and Jack needs his help. So it's been a you know,
Speaker 3: a great.
Speaker 2: Challenge as an actor to also get to do that
Speaker 2: and change.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I have it on good authority that
Speaker 1: you get along with John very well, because I've been
Speaker 1: watching a lot of interviews and I spoke to Publicity
Speaker 1: and they were like, you guys have been having a
Speaker 1: really good time. What do you think it is about
Speaker 1: the relationship between the two of you that means you
Speaker 1: guys have such a good time together.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know, really, I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: we're very similar. People were both family first guys, you know,
Speaker 3: like that we share the same values. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say we share the same sense of humor because
Speaker 3: he is ten times funnier than I am, but we
Speaker 3: have a good laugh often. And so it was one
Speaker 3: of those things where we just we met and it
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's like my brother, man, this is great,
Speaker 3: you know, And that relationship just grew and grew and grew,
Speaker 3: and I think at its core that we're both inside
Speaker 3: kind of the same person and that you know, there's
Speaker 3: nothing more important than family, and there's nothing more important
Speaker 3: than every single place we went because we travel a
Speaker 3: lot for the show. We literally travel the world, and
Speaker 3: it's all about grabbing that experience wherever.
Speaker 2: We are, you know, And we both see that the
Speaker 2: same way.
Speaker 3: Like we get to a city and it's like we're all,
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna go see and do anything and
Speaker 3: everything there is to do in those places, and so
Speaker 3: we're adventures.
Speaker 2: I guess as well.
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking of the outtakes though, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's super hilarious that you and
Speaker 1: John have the laugh so much, you know, and you
Speaker 1: guys have that repertoise. I'm assuming that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of outtakes that they have when I'm making the show
Speaker 1: with some banter between the two of you.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus, we were doing press the other day
Speaker 3: and I couldn't even get some We had to do
Speaker 3: a couple things straight your camera and I was just like, nope,
Speaker 3: can do that. I kept dying laughing, And once we
Speaker 3: start laughing, you can't stop. So the outtakes from the show.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the amount of film wasted.
Speaker 1: My dad went out with this woman who was very
Speaker 1: famous here in Australia and she was morning television was
Speaker 1: what she did, and they would send all the outtakes
Speaker 1: of the year as a Christmas present. So as kids
Speaker 1: we used to watch all the outtakes and there was hundreds,
Speaker 1: but it was it was the funniest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, the best. Have they ever been
Speaker 1: able to send you a tape of outtakes? So maybe
Speaker 1: that's under lock and key.
Speaker 2: I've seen now, I've seen I've seen clips.
Speaker 3: Certainly when when the editor comes across a really you know,
Speaker 3: funny little thing, they'll they'll they'll share with us, or
Speaker 3: production will or Amazon will, and it's it's fundering live
Speaker 3: because you can, you know, you can take yourself back
Speaker 3: to that day.
Speaker 2: And I remember one one really funny one that we
Speaker 2: were funny enough. We were in New York.
Speaker 3: We had shot this scene in Budapeshe we shot it
Speaker 3: again in another country because it wasn't right and it
Speaker 3: was inside of a tent, right, So it was something
Speaker 3: we could shoot in various locations. The exterior of that
Speaker 3: shot in one location, and then the rest of it
Speaker 3: was we just kept redoing it because it wasn't exactly right. Anyways,
Speaker 3: were in the third time through it and there rewrote
Speaker 3: the dialogue and it was very complicated, like you know,
Speaker 3: here's the pep up.
Speaker 2: You know, asset talk and all the CIA talk.
Speaker 3: And we had been going for hours and lunch wasn't
Speaker 3: for another hour, and I was I was dying, and
Speaker 3: they came by with these Jamaican beef patties for in
Speaker 3: New York and I was like, and I don't. I
Speaker 3: typically don't do that, especially when you're in a scene
Speaker 3: with somebody. And I just housed it, ate it real
Speaker 3: because they're like, we're ready to go, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I just jammed the whole thing down. And literally Jack
Speaker 3: comes into the tent and he comes right up to me.
Speaker 3: In this take in particular, he came right up to
Speaker 3: my face and I had seen this thing and I
Speaker 3: had just burned, and he was just like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: And it was before we could get one.
Speaker 3: That was an infurrency, and I remember the producing director
Speaker 3: was just sitting back there, going, this is it. Guy,
Speaker 3: just waste my whole fucking day.
Speaker 2: This is great. The whole day. The two of us
Speaker 2: were like two ten year old kids, just laughing so hard.
Speaker 2: It was really funny.
Speaker 1: That's the will teach you for hoovering it. You know.
Speaker 1: I was excited to chat with you today because I
Speaker 1: have this theory and I was wondering whether you did
Speaker 1: any research and watched this before you, you know, joined
Speaker 1: John on the show. But do you think he's doing
Speaker 1: a Harrison Ford impersonation with this character? I mean, is
Speaker 1: that his inspiration? Because there's some moments in this show
Speaker 1: where I'm like, who is that active that he sounds like?
Speaker 1: And he sounds like Harrison Ford?
Speaker 3: No, I think I see he does a little bit
Speaker 3: sound like him, and I could certainly hear that, but
Speaker 3: not it is certainly John is not one actor to
Speaker 3: ever do someone like he's. He's his own thing, and
Speaker 3: I think it's it's something I appreciate so much about
Speaker 3: his work is that he would never you know, it's
Speaker 3: always so unique what he does.
Speaker 2: It's so him, you know. I think those two guys,
Speaker 2: those two men playing the same character, of course you're
Speaker 2: going to get similarities. But no, I can't speak for him,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to God on a limit.
Speaker 1: And say, no, I'm going to say that, Okay, who
Speaker 1: just shows me with my fan it probably says more
Speaker 1: about my favorite Jack Ryan to people ask you that
Speaker 1: as well, who's your favorite Jack Ryan? After we've had
Speaker 1: so many of them, and then make you obviously, if
Speaker 1: we take John out of the equation, who is your favorite?
Speaker 2: I can't it's isn't it funny?
Speaker 3: Like it's hard to remove him from it once you've
Speaker 3: seen it, right, it's hard to say yeah, because he
Speaker 3: really is my favorite.
Speaker 2: And I think the reason he's my favorite is because
Speaker 2: I feel, to a.
Speaker 3: Certain extent that he did what nobody else did by
Speaker 3: bringing true heart and humanity to that character, true like
Speaker 3: just real. It's something that I see a lot in
Speaker 3: John's work. He has the ability to tap into this too,
Speaker 3: that thing that's inside of him, that humanity and that
Speaker 3: heart and that passion and that drive, and it just
Speaker 3: comes out through not it's not necessarily what he's saying sometimes,
Speaker 3: but it's just he has that ability to do that.
Speaker 3: And look, those are all fine, incredibly fine actors, they've
Speaker 3: played the role over the years.
Speaker 2: But I think that's why he just that's what in
Speaker 2: my head is Jack Ryan is John. Because of that, he.
Speaker 1: Kind of has like an every man sense to him.
Speaker 1: You want to be his friend, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he turns this character into something more real. I
Speaker 1: think it's the that's the word. It's the realist of
Speaker 1: seeing this character and in real world the most relatable
Speaker 1: and you're rooting for him the whole way through it.
Speaker 1: I think he kind of has this every man quality and.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I've heard him say in a
Speaker 3: couple of interviews he says, you know, this is the
Speaker 3: neatest thing about playing Jack Ryan. He says, is that
Speaker 3: And I'm paraphrasing, so don't quote me exactly, but he said, basically,
Speaker 3: you know that this is as a kid, you're reading
Speaker 3: those books, you're watching those movies.
Speaker 2: It's someone you can become.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to kay, he doesn't fly two lasers
Speaker 3: out of his eyes. He is just the guy who
Speaker 3: went to a good school, who went to the CIA,
Speaker 3: and he could be yourn extra neighbor. You never know
Speaker 3: because Cee I didn't let you know if there's agents,
Speaker 3: as like you don't.
Speaker 1: Know your next just letting you know living next door
Speaker 1: to a SI agent, We're just going to blow his
Speaker 1: cover right now. Good luck with that.
Speaker 3: But it makes it that much more believable, right like that.
Speaker 3: That's and I think that's why it is easy for
Speaker 3: people to identify with that.
Speaker 1: You know, the show's kind of proof that Tave has
Speaker 1: come such a long way with the quality of stunts
Speaker 1: and the writing on this show. Yeah, what about for you?
Speaker 1: Do you like telling stories and long form as opposed
Speaker 1: to a film where obviously there's the time constraint of
Speaker 1: you know, getting your beginning in the middle in and
Speaker 1: out pretty quickly. As an actor, as a character actor,
Speaker 1: do you enjoy getting more involved?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, you look at look
Speaker 3: it out. My November doesn't go through what he's gone
Speaker 3: through from two to three in a short story format,
Speaker 3: right in a film format, like it would be very
Speaker 3: difficult to have all those things happen that change that
Speaker 3: man so much that he does he does right, or
Speaker 3: it would just be a little bit less believable because
Speaker 3: you spend those a little bit of time and you
Speaker 3: see it happen over time.
Speaker 2: I think it's far more interesting like that.
Speaker 3: I love doing films as well, but there are some
Speaker 3: stories that are better suited for film, and there are
Speaker 3: some stories that are better suited for longer format television
Speaker 3: or streaming or whatever it's called today.
Speaker 2: I don't know it. Do you even call it television anymore?
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like Jack Ryan, I think plays really well in long
Speaker 3: format because you can spend the time with these characters.
Speaker 3: You can understand the decisions more. You know, you understand
Speaker 3: you watch Mission Impossible, you understand he goes from A
Speaker 3: to B and it happens like that, and you get
Speaker 3: it because the stories are very well written. But when
Speaker 3: you get to see him make those decisions getting from
Speaker 3: A to B and you see all those things happening,
Speaker 3: and what forces you down this path and then that
Speaker 3: path and then that takes you to this path. For me,
Speaker 3: it's a I like living in you know, I'm watched
Speaker 3: in eighteen eighty three right now, and you're just living
Speaker 3: with these people and you can sit in silence for
Speaker 3: a while, because that's what real life is like. Silence
Speaker 3: happens and nothing happens, and then things happen.
Speaker 2: And I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that we forget in a way that TV
Speaker 1: and film and all of that's kind of a companionship.
Speaker 1: And the more real that you see these people, the
Speaker 1: more you connect to them. You know, the more you
Speaker 1: see yourself in the TV shows that you watch, the
Speaker 1: more relatable it is. So I you know, I can
Speaker 1: see that. Do you get protective over your characters as
Speaker 1: time goes on? I mean, you've played some pretty iconic characters,
Speaker 1: you know, House of Cards would be one of them.
Speaker 1: But do you get protective over these characters? And you
Speaker 1: know not, I don't know, want creative control over them?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I am not a not a writer, And funny enough,
Speaker 3: I was always going to direct the last season als
Speaker 3: the Car. When it went down the last episodes, they
Speaker 3: ended up not doing it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not creative in that way for my characters.
Speaker 3: I always feel that the writers, you know, these are
Speaker 3: people who spent their lives writing, you know, their lives creating.
Speaker 2: Will I occasionally give feedback if asked, what do you
Speaker 2: think would Doug do this? Or we might do that?
Speaker 3: You know, then I can say, well that seems to
Speaker 3: fit logically, and what what I think of the character?
Speaker 2: Sure, but I don't. I'm not protective in that way.
Speaker 2: I often joke on set. I might just tell me.
Speaker 3: Where to stand and tell me what to say, like
Speaker 3: dance monkey, I'll dance you know likes. That's because I
Speaker 3: feel like there are people who are better suited for
Speaker 3: that than I am.
Speaker 1: It must be surreal, though, to get to play these
Speaker 1: characters with so much, you know, interest in them. Do
Speaker 1: your friends and do your family, do your neighbors try
Speaker 1: and hit you up for the twists and turns on
Speaker 1: Jack Ryan or the show.
Speaker 3: I'm well, going back to House of Cards, you got
Speaker 3: to be damn good at it? Like that was that
Speaker 3: was crazy? I mean, I remember season two. Kate Mar's
Speaker 3: character was not there for all of season two. Obviously
Speaker 3: she died, but we had to keep up the you know,
Speaker 3: we were tweeting pictures of each other during filming of
Speaker 3: the second season that we had taken them all during
Speaker 3: season one.
Speaker 2: And just you have to be to be a good liar.
Speaker 3: But the cool thing is is like my folks, my
Speaker 3: brother and sisters, they don't even ask because they know
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell them, and they don't want
Speaker 3: me to tell them. Like it's funny because people they
Speaker 3: want to know, but you know, they don't want to know,
Speaker 3: so there's no point in out because they want to
Speaker 3: be surprised. They want to see it for the first
Speaker 3: time and feel it. And you know, it's like Sixth Sense.
Speaker 3: If you ever if you remember that film, like if
Speaker 3: somebody told you what happens before you watched it, that sucks,
Speaker 3: you know, It's really funny.
Speaker 1: Was that I was in Bali, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've ever been to Bali, but I was in
Speaker 1: Bali and they was selling those illegal Davy days and
Speaker 1: this man said to me, uh, this is the Sixth Sense.
Speaker 1: He's like big movie in America. He said, Bruce Willis
Speaker 1: is a ghost. And so I watched the whole of
Speaker 1: Sixth Sense before I was out in the cinemas in Australia,
Speaker 1: and that was the reason why I bought it. And
Speaker 1: that's why don't know why I was buying these illegal
Speaker 1: Davy Days, but I still to this day I never
Speaker 1: bought another illegal David Ay. The whole experience was ruined.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I watched all of the Sixth Sense knowing
Speaker 1: the Purce Willis was a ghost. Big mistake. Huge.
Speaker 2: I remember my buddy, we were working in this instinement
Speaker 2: shop in Chelsea when I was still working other jobs,
Speaker 2: and he said to me, he goes, have you seen
Speaker 2: have you seen Sixth Sense yet? And I was like no,
Speaker 2: and he's like, dude, you're going after work and I
Speaker 2: was like, I'll see it and he was like because
Speaker 2: I was like I see them people. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It doesn't love like a movie for me. And he
Speaker 3: was like, go see it today after work, and he
Speaker 3: literally walked with me after work to the theater and
Speaker 3: I went in to see it.
Speaker 2: He had already seen it, so he stayed out. And
Speaker 2: then I called him later that night and I was like,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. He was like, now you see why.
Speaker 2: He's like I just didn't want someone to tell you
Speaker 2: before you had a chance to see it. So I
Speaker 2: was very grateful.
Speaker 1: And then did you is that the reason why? Because
Speaker 1: didn't you do Unbreakable, did you work with them not?
Speaker 2: That was a golden opportunity, man, I was that one.
Speaker 2: That was so cool because it was one of my
Speaker 2: It was very early in my career.
Speaker 3: And I remember the casting director, Doug when I were
Speaker 3: friendly at the time, and it was like, I really
Speaker 3: want you to.
Speaker 2: Meet this director and it's it's not a big role,
Speaker 2: but it's really it's a cool role.
Speaker 3: And I just remember reading and then I remember the
Speaker 3: trailer coming out and we were playing poker over at
Speaker 3: my house and all the guys were downstairs in the
Speaker 3: basement and I was upstairs and they just started screaming, dude.
Speaker 3: And by the time I got down the stairs, I
Speaker 3: was still the voiceover for the whole commercial.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a small role, but it became
Speaker 3: the voiceover for the whole trailer, you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just that was that was a great, great honor man,
Speaker 3: to be a part of m.
Speaker 1: Night film is my favorite Unbreakable. I just it's so good.
Speaker 1: I mean the sixth Sense is kind of a bit
Speaker 1: of a popcorn film in a way. I mean there
Speaker 1: is a lot of depth to it as well, and
Speaker 1: Tony is so good at it, and Bruce is really
Speaker 1: good at it, Like it's a great it's a great film.
Speaker 1: But Unbreakable gets me every time you like start to
Speaker 1: watch it, and it's one of his more it's longer films,
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2: One of my coolest moments that I ever had on
Speaker 2: a set. So we were reading through that.
Speaker 3: Scene and you know, basically I'm talking and the whole time,
Speaker 3: Bruce was just like, I don't I don't know what happened,
Speaker 3: and and and m Night was like, hang on, guys,
Speaker 3: because it was a wonder that whole The whole scene
Speaker 3: is just him pushing in over the dying body and
Speaker 3: me and him in the background, right, and then it
Speaker 3: gets to a two shot of us profile and so
Speaker 3: it was this long, doing one take, don't function up
Speaker 3: kind of thing, and he said, guys, can I can
Speaker 3: we clear the set?
Speaker 2: And it was just me and M.
Speaker 3: Knight and Bruce and I'm sitting there and I'm just
Speaker 3: listening to m Night talk and Bruce give feedback, and
Speaker 3: I'm just sort of like, this is this is the
Speaker 3: most insane thing ever. Like I said, it's one of
Speaker 3: my early movies. And I look up across the room
Speaker 3: and there's Robin Wright just stand there across the room,
Speaker 3: just watching m Night talk to the two of us.
Speaker 3: And I was like, holy shit, I'm doing it. I
Speaker 3: am in fucking Hollywood and I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: It was just such a surreal moment.
Speaker 3: And then all those years later, and you know, I
Speaker 3: told Robin the story and she was like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: so cute.
Speaker 1: Did you remember you? Did you remember as And of
Speaker 1: course she'd remember, but does she remember that moment?
Speaker 2: I should say, probably don't remember.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's your life. It seems more potent for.
Speaker 2: You exactly, Like she's like, oh, yeah, you were there.
Speaker 2: That's cool, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've made some brilliant films. When I was
Speaker 1: going to interview, I was talking to a friend of
Speaker 1: mine and he was like, name three movies, and the
Speaker 1: movies that I named was Unbreakable, The Change Link, Man
Speaker 1: on the Moon and Secret in their Eyes. Honestly, You've
Speaker 1: You've got a fantastic resume, some fantastic characters. But no
Speaker 1: matter whether or not it's a small role or a
Speaker 1: big role, and I always enjoy watching you. I think
Speaker 1: you do a brilliant job. Everyone who joins the podcast
Speaker 1: has to tell a story about something from behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Is it anything like a behind the scenes secret, like
Speaker 1: something strange that people you know who watch Jack Bryan
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, Like how long do you get to learn
Speaker 1: your lines? So maybe that's a good secret.
Speaker 2: I don't know now.
Speaker 3: Sometimes not long enough because John likes to rewrite on
Speaker 3: the day so or that or that morning before he
Speaker 3: gets to work, so that's kind of a funny thing.
Speaker 3: He'll come, he'll come to set and he'll be like, hey, dude,
Speaker 3: all right, so check it out. I got the scene,
Speaker 3: figured it out now. And he's like, so you're just
Speaker 3: gonna forget I'll say this, and now you're gonna say
Speaker 3: that instead of me. And then I'm gonna take this
Speaker 3: monologue from here and we're gonna put it over here.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, dude, like I can't do it. And
Speaker 3: but there was one thing that I became better at
Speaker 3: because of him. So I'm as much as I hated
Speaker 3: it on the day, I'm grateful.
Speaker 1: For it now brilliant. I love it. That's the best
Speaker 1: sacred ever. Thanks man, being you're an Australia and enjoyed
Speaker 1: sheading to the Australian media as well.
Speaker 2: You got a buddy. Thank you man, Have a good
Speaker 2: vie later.