1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: This is the Dalyi OS. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: the seventeenth of December. 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Over the weekend, the remaining five members of the Bali 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Nine were returned to Australia after spending nearly two decades 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: in Indonesian jails. Their return to the country wraps up 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: a story that dates back to two thousand and five 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: and has had far reaching implications for both Australia and Indonesia. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: So we're talking here about a story that's turning twenty 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: next year. In its age in the news cycle, a 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: lot of people listening would have been young children when 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: this story broke. You would have been eight. I was ten. 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Why don't we start then at the very beginning. Take 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: me back to that two thousand and five moment. Who 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: were the Bali nine and what did they do? Yeah? 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: So, in April two thousand and five, nine Australians were 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: arrested while trying to smuggle heroin into Australia from Bali, Indonesia. 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: Between them, the group was carrying around eight kilograms of heroin. 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: In plastic bags, so quite a sizable amount of things. 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there were group leaders and then people who 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: were also found with the drug themselves. So the group's 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: leaders were Andrew Chan and Majuran Sukamarin, and then the 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: other members included Renee Lawrence, Martin Stevens, Scott Rush, Michael Schuguy, 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: cig Chen Tunduk Tannuwen and Matthew Norman. Now what happened 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: was that Indonesian authorities arrested the group in Bali after 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: they actually received a tip off from the Australian Federal Police. 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: So they were at the airport in Bali attempting to 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: return back to Australia. 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: Correct and the AFP tipped off Indonesian authorities, who were 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: then able to move to arrest the group. At the time, 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: Australian newspapers reported that the AFP had told Indonesian police 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: to take quote whatever action you deem it necessary. Now, 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: I think that that quote needs to be understood in 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: the context of Indonesia's drug laws, because Indonesia has some 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: of the strictest penalties for drug offenses in the world. 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: You know, things including lengthy prison sentences and of course 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: the death penalty. So what ended up happening was that 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: five of the nine were arrested at Dempsar Airport in Bali, 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: four of whom had heroines strapped to their physical bodies. 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: The remaining four were then arrested at a Bali hotel. 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: There's some really iconic photos of them without their shirts on. 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: You can actually see how their wraps surround. 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And just before we move on, I do 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: just want to mention I guess that the timing of 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: this is important because the Bali nine arrests happened six 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: months after authorities detained another Australian at the same airport. 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: That was, of course, Chappelle Korby, And Chappelle Krby was 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: a young woman at the time, and she was found 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: with more than four kilograms of marijuana inside her boogie 53 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: board bag and she was sentenced to twenty years imprisonment. 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: And so I think that it's important to just remember, like, 55 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: this was not the first big story that had emerged 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: relating to drugs and Indonesia in even a matter of months. 57 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: And so there were these two extremely high profile incidents 58 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: happening almost simultaneously. 59 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: And they continued to happen simultaneously through the next part 60 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: of this story, which is the trials that both of 61 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: them went through. Today we're talking about the Bali nine. 62 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: So they were arrested after a tip off from the AFP. 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: They then got arrested. There's those photos of them with 64 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: heroin strapped to their body. What happened next? 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: So, yeah, like you said, they were arrested in April, 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: and it was by October that same year that separate 67 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: trials for the group members had begun. So I mentioned 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: that the two leaders were Chan and Sukumaran. So they 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: were found guilty of organizing the attempted smuggling and they 70 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: were sentenced to death. The other seven were sentenced to 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: life imprisonment, and there was, of course a very big 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: difference between those two sentences. I distinctly remember when Chan 73 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: and Sukamaren were actually executed. So it was in twenty fifteen, 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: which is almost a full decade after they were first 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: arrested and after this story really first took place. They 76 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: were killed by a firing squad in Indonesia. And I 77 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: think that we should highlight both their lawyers and the 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: Australian government at the time try to intervene to stop 79 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: that from happening, as. 80 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: They would with an Australian almost anywhere in the world. 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that goes back to the fact 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: that Australia doesn't have the death penalty. No jurisdiction in 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Australia has had the death penalty since nineteen eighty five. 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 2: In twenty ten, the Federal Parliament passed a law prohibiting 85 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: the death penalty from ever being reintroduced. And so, as 86 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: you said, the fact that there were these Australian citizens 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: who were ultimately executed by a firing squad was grounds 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: for the Australian government to intervene. They were ultimately unsuccessful 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: and that death penalty held. At the time, Then Prime 90 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 2: Minister Tony Abbott called their executions cruel and unnecessary. 91 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: We'll be back with the rest of the day dive 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: after this short message from our sponsor. And another aspect 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: of the Indonesian justice system that I think all of 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: us following that story over that ten year period encountered 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: was the ability for media to go into prison and 96 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: do interviews with those two men. But in fact, some 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: others in the Bali nine group. 98 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Remember the artworks. 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: There was a big kind of art component to particularly 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Mayor and Sukamaran's time in prison. The trials themselves were 101 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: filmed and I think that was a unique experience for Australia. Okay, 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: So they were executed in twenty fifteen. Take me through 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: the remaining members. 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: So another member, Tunduk Tannuen, died of cancer in twenty eighteen. 105 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: And then the final person who wasn't included in the 106 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: five who were returned over the weekend was Renee Lawrence. 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: She was the only female in the group and she 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: was actually free in twenty eighteen. Her sentence was reduced. 109 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: It was reportedly due to a number of factors, but 110 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: the most prominent one was good behavior, right, and so 111 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: she could apply to have her sentence reduced. She was 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: successful and so she was freed back in twenty eighteen. 113 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: So that left five remaining members of the Bali Nine, 114 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: who until this past weekend was still in prison. So 115 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: nearly twenty years. 116 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you just think about that, I mean 117 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: they were in prison in Indonesia, you know, last week, 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: so right up until today, that was the situation. Yeah, 119 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: they're now home. What led to their release, Well. 120 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: Last month, both international and Australian media started reporting that 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: there was something happening. There could be a deal on 122 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: the horizon that would see these remaining members returned back 123 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: to Australia. 124 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: And just to clarify, they've been pushing for this, yeah 125 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: for decades, right. 126 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. At the time, so in late November, the Australian 127 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: government wouldn't really confirm exactly what was going on, except 128 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: that Trade Minister Don Farrell told Sky News that negotiations 129 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: were ongoing. That didn't really seem like a huge departure, 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: given that, you know, negotiations had been on going for 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: a while. He did say though, that the proposal wasn't 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: to release these people, that's a direct quote from him, 133 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: but rather he was saying that they would be serving 134 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: their sentence in Australia. At the time, when these were 135 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: all just reports and rumors, the Coalition criticized the government 136 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: for lack of transparency surrounding the negotiations. And so that 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: was you know, for the last couple of weeks. And 138 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: then on Sunday, sometime in the early afternoon, the Prime 139 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Alberizi released a statement and in that statement 140 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: he confirmed that the five remaining Bali nine. So those 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: five Australians had landed on Australian soil for the first 142 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: time in nearly two decades. What was interesting is that 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: unlike what the government was saying last month where they 144 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: said that you know, they weren't going to return as 145 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: free men and all of these things, they actually have 146 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: returned as freemen. So Alberesi's statements said they will now 147 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: have the opportunity to continue their personal rehability and reintegration 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: here in Australia. So they were reportedly released back to 149 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Australia on humanitarian grounds and will have to really undergo 150 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: rehabilitation here at home. 151 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: And I think to quickly jump into why there were 152 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: so many government departments involved and why this became such 153 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: a kind of diplomatic negotiation is and this was noticeable 154 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: in Prime Minister Albanesi statement as well yesterday, is that 155 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Australia needed to strike the balance between respecting the law 156 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: of Indonesia and ensuring that it wasn't a green light 157 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: for people to smuggle drugs between the two countries, but 158 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: also then protect the rights of its citizens. And I 159 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: think that's why it took so long. But now they're 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: here and they're not going to serve any prison time. 161 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. In his statement, Albanesi said that the five had 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: committed serious offenses. He was really trying there not to 163 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: undercut the severity of what had happened, and he said 164 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: also that Australia shares Indonesia's concern about the serious problem 165 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: that illicit drugs represent. But again, as you said, he 166 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: did highlight that they had served nine teen years for 167 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: the crimes committed. 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so now they're on Australian soil and they're not 169 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: going back to prison. I expect that we'll hear the 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: stories from these five men over the next of the while. Whell. 171 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine there's a lot of competition for who's 172 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: going to get that first sit down interview. 173 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: Well have we heard from the men yet? 174 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: So there was a statement from their lawyers and families, 175 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: and I mean it was mostly just expressing gratitude. It 176 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: was saying things like they're immensely grateful to the Indonesian government, 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: to the Indonesian President that they sincerely thank them. It 178 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: also went on to thank successive Australian foreign ministers and 179 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: government who they said had also advocated for the men. 180 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: So really it was just a lot of gratitude, a 181 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: lot of thankfulness. I imagine, as you said, we'll have 182 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: a lot more that we'll hear from them. But ultimately 183 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: they're now kind of free to move about as they like, 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: with very few restrictions on their movement. At least that's 185 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: what the reporting is suggesting is the case. One thing 186 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: I have read though, is that they are banned from 187 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: entering Indonesia again. You know, I can't imagine that that 188 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: would have been high on their list. Anyway. 189 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: There was an interesting line at the end of the 190 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: statement from the Prime Minister that said that he requested 191 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the media to give privacy to the men and the families, 192 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: which is interesting when you think about your comment. That's 193 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: right where there will be a bit of a race 194 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: now to see who can secure an interview. But you know, 195 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: it's been a long time in an institution and to 196 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: be reintegrated to Australia almost overnight. 197 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: Is Chapelle Corby, who you know we mentioned a bit earlier. 198 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if I made clear that she had 199 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: since been released as well. But when you serve for 200 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: such a long time, you know so many things changed 201 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: in the outside world, so certainly you know privacy as 202 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: was requested, but will be really interesting to see what 203 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: happens next. 204 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Zara, thank you for taking us through that story, and 205 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us where If you're listening to 206 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: this podcast on this hot Tuesday morning, that's all we've 207 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: got for you today, though we'll be back again in 208 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: the afternoon with some headlines. 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