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Speaker 1: Jab mission with Jonesy and Amanda as.

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Speaker 2: A foreign correspondent, covering stories like the Haiti earthquake, terrorist attacks,

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Speaker 2: the shooting at Sandy Hook. Lisa Miller's job has always

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Speaker 2: involved plenty of flying. Unfortunately, she suffered from aviophobia, a

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Speaker 2: fear of flying, throughout her career. Even though I was

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Speaker 2: a young kid she loved flying well. She's written a

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Speaker 2: book about all her extraordinary journalistic experiences, but also having

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Speaker 2: to overcome this crippling fear. She joins us now, Lisa Miller, Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello to you, Jonesy and Amanda. It's so great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you and you too.

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Speaker 3: So, Lisa, were you a late flyer? Did you come

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Speaker 3: to flying late in life and that's why this fear developed?

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Speaker 1: No? No, In fact, I was two years old when

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Speaker 1: our family owned its own plane, because I grew up

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Speaker 1: in the bush. We had our own airstrip in country

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Speaker 1: Queensland and we had a little four seater Piper Cherokee

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Speaker 1: that we flew everywhere. We'd go down and pick up

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Speaker 1: Grandma from Buisbourn and Dad would fly other farmers to

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Speaker 1: cattle sales. But when I was a young reporter in

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Speaker 1: my early twenties, I was in North Queensland when in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a huge thunderstorm I was in a

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Speaker 1: charter aircraft and one of the engines stalled and from

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Speaker 1: that moment we started dropping a little bit before they

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Speaker 1: were able to restart the engine. I sort of felt

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Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable, but I thought, nah, this is fine.

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Speaker 1: But then over a period of ten years I just

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Speaker 1: became so so frightened to flying. But if you told

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Speaker 1: me that in three days I was going to have

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Speaker 1: to fly from Brisbane to Sydney, I would start being

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Speaker 1: physically sick in anticipation of getting on a big ebb

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Speaker 1: bowing jet, you name it.

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Speaker 2: You start the book actually with quite an extraordinary story

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Speaker 2: that you're covering a Queensland election, I think, and you

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Speaker 2: walk onto a small plane and you're so crippled with

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Speaker 2: fear that you just lie down on the floor of

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Speaker 2: the plane, even when the premier is there saying hello

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Speaker 2: to everybody. And you said that you didn't. You weren't

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Speaker 2: even humiliated or embarrassed. You just had to survive.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because your muscles won't do what you want them

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Speaker 1: to do, Like nothing works when you have a crippling fear.

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Speaker 2: So how did you manage to have this life as

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Speaker 2: a foreign correspondent, And how did you how did you

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Speaker 2: get towards overcoming it? Because I know the book is

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Speaker 2: called Daring to Fly and it's about you getting to

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Speaker 2: the point where you're stronger about all this. Where are

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Speaker 2: you now with it all?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Well, I just love it now and I'm desperate

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Speaker 1: to get back up in the air. But what happened

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Speaker 1: was we went my then husband and I went to

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Speaker 1: a wedding in Tasmania and I started looking at how

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Speaker 1: to actually take the spirit of Tazzy to get home

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Speaker 1: aget into the main lad because I just did not

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Speaker 1: want to get back on a plane. And he said,

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Speaker 1: we can't go on like this is ruining our lives.

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Speaker 1: And so I did a Fear of Flying course. And

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Speaker 1: the best thing that they said to me was, you've

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Speaker 1: taken ten years to build this monster up inside of you,

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Speaker 1: so it's controlling everything. It is not going to disappear overnight.

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Speaker 1: We're going to give you the tools, but you are

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Speaker 1: going to have to do your homework. You're going to

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Speaker 1: have to put as much effort into it as you

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Speaker 1: did into creating the fear, and it's going to take

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Speaker 1: a while.

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Speaker 3: But when you say you put all that work into

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Speaker 3: getting the fee, you wouldn't have actually put work into

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Speaker 3: getting it so to manifest. Like one day you just

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Speaker 3: couldn't get it. It wasn't like overnight you just couldn't get

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Speaker 3: it on a plane anymore. It just got more and

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Speaker 3: more uncomfortable. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But you are putting work into creating it because

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Speaker 1: you're making things up in your mind about stuff. You're

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Speaker 1: believing that if the air conditioning is suddenly a little

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Speaker 1: warm on a seven three seven, that you are going

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Speaker 1: to die. I know what you mean. It sounds ood

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Speaker 1: because you don't want that fear. But the way you're

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Speaker 1: letting your mind operate, I mean, I was vinced every

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Speaker 1: single time I got on a plane, and I always

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Speaker 1: got on a plane. I never missed a flight, but

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Speaker 1: I was convinced every single time I was going to die.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes left notes behind to my then husband or

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Speaker 1: my family to say, you know, I'm flying to Melbourne

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Speaker 1: for the logis if I never see you again, this

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Speaker 1: is how I feel about you. I mean, honestly, I

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Speaker 1: will always take people's fears seriously when they talk to

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Speaker 1: me about this stuff, and it's part of the reason

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Speaker 1: why I wrote the book because it can get through

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Speaker 1: it. It can get through it. And then you know, look

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Speaker 1: at me, like three passports later and forty countries and

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Speaker 1: covering some of the biggest stories in the world. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's I just want to encourage people to know

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Speaker 1: that they can do it too.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a story. Lie So looking at you on

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Speaker 2: the TV and hosting news Breakfast on the OVC and

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Speaker 2: all those incredibly pivotal moments in history that you've been

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Speaker 2: part of. No one wouldn't this story behind you.

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Speaker 1: No, I know. But here's the funny thing. Once you

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Speaker 1: get over a fear, you know how I said, it's

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Speaker 1: really empowering. Well, I then went and did an Olympic

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Speaker 1: distance triathlon because I thought, if I can get over

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Speaker 1: had to learn how to swim. Can do it. I

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Speaker 1: just started thinking, Wow, this is pretty amazing. I felt

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Speaker 1: like I had sort of wonder Woman cape on, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it just thinks what else could I do?

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Speaker 1: I start looking around.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're not the only one to leave a note

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Speaker 3: to their family after the LOGI Samanda does that alcoholic

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Speaker 3: poison every time. Well, Lisa, it's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Lisa Miller's new book, Daring to Fly. It's in all

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Speaker 3: the bookstores from today. Lisa.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Lisa. It's a ripper.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Jonesy and Amanda's na