WEBVTT - Is paracetamol still safe?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourth of September. I'm Emma Gillespie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lucy Tassel.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the world's most common pain relief medications, has

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<v Speaker 2>dominated headlines over the past twenty four to forty eight

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<v Speaker 2>hours after recent comments from the Trump administration linking paracetamol

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<v Speaker 2>to autism.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say it like it is. Don't take dalanol,

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<v Speaker 3>don't take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Warnings from the US about the use of Tailanol, a

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<v Speaker 2>brand of paracetamol during pregnancy, prompted Australia's Health Minister Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Butler to seek urgent advice from the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we are going to take you through what the

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<v Speaker 2>US President and other officials said, the backlash, Australia's response,

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<v Speaker 2>and what the science actually says about paraceta safety. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into it, he is a quick word

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<v Speaker 2>from our.

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<v Speaker 1>Sponsor, Emma. This story has evolved quite rapidly this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you take me back to the start? What was said?

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<v Speaker 1>How did this begin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? So, US President Donald Trump this week made what

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<v Speaker 2>he's calling one of the biggest medical announcements in decades

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<v Speaker 2>to confront what he has called, quote, the crisis of autism.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was joined by US officials, including Health Secretary Robert F.

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Junior. RFK Junior, at a White House press conference

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday, where he claimed that tylanol is a very

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<v Speaker 2>big factor in autism. Now, just to clarify here for

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<v Speaker 2>our audience, thailanol and panadol. They are both brand names

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<v Speaker 2>for the same active ingredient, paracetamol, which is also called acidaminifen,

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<v Speaker 2>which you may have heard some American officials calling it

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<v Speaker 2>that effective. Immediately, Trump said that the FDA will be

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<v Speaker 2>notifying physicians, gps and doctors that the use of parasitamol

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<v Speaker 2>during pregnancy quote, can be associated with a very increased

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<v Speaker 2>risk of autism.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we need to know about the FDA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the FDA is the Food and Drug Administration.

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<v Speaker 2>They are America's equivalent to what we have here the TGA,

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<v Speaker 2>the Therapeutic Goods Administration. So those bodies are both the

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<v Speaker 2>medicine regulators for their respective countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, before we go any further, we should probably touch

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<v Speaker 1>on kind of can you give us like a broad brushstrokes.

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<v Speaker 1>What is autism?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, autism spectrum disorder is a condition diagnosed through

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<v Speaker 2>developmental assessments and neurobehavioral observations. It is a neurodevelopmental condition,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning if you are autistic, you are born autistic. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what the evidence tells us. The support that autistic people

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<v Speaker 2>need can vary because it's in the name a spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>Autism is considered a spectrum, so it is often character

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<v Speaker 2>rised by differences in communication styles, maybe some issues with

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<v Speaker 2>sensory processing, but that disorder means that you know, no

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<v Speaker 2>one autistic person is the same as the other. In

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen nineties, a study suggested that routine childhood vaccines

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<v Speaker 2>might cause autism, but this study has been debunked its

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<v Speaker 2>author was deregistered as a doctor. Regardless, though, that sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>that relationship between vaccines and autism remains in some communities.

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<v Speaker 1>And partly propagated by RFK Junior himself.

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<v Speaker 2>In exactly which we will get into in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Now, does this mean that the US's FDA is

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<v Speaker 1>advising against the use of paracetamol during pregnancy?

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<v Speaker 2>Not completely, but essentially so Trump's focus is on its

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<v Speaker 2>use during pregnancy. He said that paracetamal use should be

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<v Speaker 2>restricted to only in cases of an extremely high temperature

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<v Speaker 2>in pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, a fever that's very, very dangerous, and

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<v Speaker 3>so ideally you don't take it at all, but if

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<v Speaker 3>you have to, if you can't tough it out, or

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<v Speaker 3>if you's a problem, you're going to end up doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier obviously that Kennedy, the Health Secretary, has

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<v Speaker 1>a history with suggesting various medicines could lead to certain

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<v Speaker 1>neurodevelopmental disorders. But I have to say I was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>surprised by the paracetamol of it all. That kind of

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<v Speaker 1>to me anyway, came out of nowhere this week. Why

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<v Speaker 1>were health officials even looking into this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think you're right, Lucy. It did come

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<v Speaker 2>as a little bit of a surprise for us here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. But there has been a focus within the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration around autism diagnoses spiking within the US, so

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<v Speaker 2>they've tripled in the past two decades. Paracetamol use has

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<v Speaker 2>remained largely steady over that time. But correlation does not

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<v Speaker 2>equal causation, which we'll get into RFK Junior, specifically, as

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<v Speaker 2>you flagged, has long promoted debunked theories around vaccines and autism,

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<v Speaker 2>and both he and Trump have stated on previous occasions

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<v Speaker 2>that they believe there's an autism epidemic in the US

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<v Speaker 2>attributed to this so called explosion in cases. When Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>was appointed to the Health Secretary portfolio, he promised earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year to identify the cause of autism by September.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this month, this month, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are. And he has pointed to everything from

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<v Speaker 2>synthetic food dies to childhood vaccines as potential concern points.

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<v Speaker 2>So from his perspective, I suppose paracetamol just falls into

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger mission that he is on.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the kind of evidence that the White House

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<v Speaker 1>is presenting? Have they explained any of the findings or

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<v Speaker 1>evidence linking autism and paracetamol?

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<v Speaker 2>So specifically, the White House does say that it has

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to suggest paracetamol use in pregnant women, especially late

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<v Speaker 2>in pregnancy, may cause quote long term neurological effects in children.

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<v Speaker 2>According to a statement, the findings of multiple large scale

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<v Speaker 2>cohort studies link prenatal parasitamal exposure to altered brain development

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<v Speaker 2>and adverse birth outcomes. That's what the White House has said,

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<v Speaker 2>and that increased incidence in neurodevelopmental disorders also includes ADHD.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of the focus is about autism, but

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<v Speaker 2>there is also a conversation here going on about ADHD.

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<v Speaker 2>I do just want to point out, though, that while

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<v Speaker 2>the White House has cited large scale studies, the language

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<v Speaker 2>used in those studies include words like may, suggest, proposed.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no absolute certainty about this link, and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has even conceded that himself this week.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that everything percent understood or known, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think we've made a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Strides despite that. Trump's advice is that pregnant women should quote,

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<v Speaker 2>fight like hell not to take paracetamol.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, is there any data to contradict these claims.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been some studies suggesting a potential link between

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<v Speaker 2>paracetamol use in pregnancy and slightly higher autism rates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to multiple other studies, it's a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to quote some comments from James Cusack. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the chief executive of a UK autism research and campaigning

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<v Speaker 2>charity called Autistica. He's quoted in the scientific journal Nature

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<v Speaker 2>as saying there is no definitive evidence to suggest that

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<v Speaker 2>parascetamol use in mothers is a cause of autism, and

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<v Speaker 2>when you see any associations, they are very, very small.

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<v Speaker 2>He said. At the heart of this is people trying

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<v Speaker 2>to look for simple answers to complex problems. The biggest

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<v Speaker 2>and most comprehensive study to date on this also tells

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<v Speaker 2>a different story to the latest FDA advice from Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and RFK Junior. So, a Swedish study published last year

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<v Speaker 2>actually looked at data from two and a half million

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<v Speaker 2>children born between nineteen ninety five and twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a huge sample size. That's a sample size

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<v Speaker 1>that I dream about when we when we get reports

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<v Speaker 1>here at the Daily OS, I'm always looking what's the

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<v Speaker 1>sample size exactly? People did they talk to? Two point

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<v Speaker 1>five million is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you would like that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So, what this study found was that when researchers compared siblings,

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<v Speaker 2>so where one was exposed to paracetamol in utero and

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<v Speaker 2>where one wasn't, any apparent link to autism completely disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>So that suggests that other factors like genetics or underlying

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<v Speaker 2>maternal health conditions better explain any associations that we might see. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also really important to note here from

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<v Speaker 2>a public health perspective, paracetamol is considered the safest pain

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<v Speaker 2>and temperature medication for pregnant women. Pregnant women don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of options when it comes to medications while

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<v Speaker 2>they are carrying a fetus, and so you know, this medication,

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<v Speaker 2>paracetamol is sometimes their only safe option. It is used

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<v Speaker 2>by roughly half of all pregnant people worldwide, and high

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<v Speaker 2>temperature during pregnancy, if left untreated, is actually a known

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<v Speaker 2>risk factor for a raft of issues, including neurodevelopmental disorders

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<v Speaker 2>in children, but also miscourage, blood pressure issues, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know anxiety and mental health concerns that come with the

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<v Speaker 2>pain of being untreated.

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<v Speaker 1>So does that mean that there could be kind of

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<v Speaker 1>unintended consequences from this US announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty much what global experts are now warning. Yes. So,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Lyndon Stocker is from the University Hospital Southampton, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really large teaching hospital in the UK, and that

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<v Speaker 2>doctor warned that suggesting paracetamol is unsafe will cause much

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety to women who already feel vulnerable. So that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of speaks to you know, that pregnant women don't have

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<v Speaker 2>that many options on the table if they are unwell

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<v Speaker 2>while they're pregnant, and paracetamol is really important.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've heard from the US and now from the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the Daily OZ. So what has Australia said

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<v Speaker 1>in response to this announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a really strong reaction here in Australia. Shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after the FDA updated its advice, and shortly after that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump press conference, Federal Health Minister Mark Butler reached out

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<v Speaker 2>to the TGA, our FDA, you could say, our drug

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<v Speaker 2>regulator for urgent advice on this announcement out of the US. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>in a press conference on Monday evening, Butler urged pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>women not to take action on these reports without seeking

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<v Speaker 2>medical advice first. The Health Minister also reiterated that crucial

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<v Speaker 2>point that we've mentioned, paracetamol isn't just for pain relief.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really important treatment against high temperatures. Then the

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<v Speaker 2>TGA released a statement on Tuesday rejecting claims linking paracetamol

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<v Speaker 2>to autism or ADHD. It's said there is robust scientific

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to support the safety of this medication and quote

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<v Speaker 2>several large and reliable studies directly contradicting the claims out

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<v Speaker 2>of the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Before this week. What was the TGO's advice on paracetamol

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<v Speaker 1>during pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, paracetamol is classified as a Category A drug

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<v Speaker 2>for pregnancy. That means that it's been taken by large

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<v Speaker 2>numbers of pregnant women without any proven increase in birth

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<v Speaker 2>defects or harmful impacts on the fetus. So basically regulators

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<v Speaker 2>here have given it the greenest green light possible for

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<v Speaker 2>use during pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we heard anything else from Australia's medical community, like

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<v Speaker 1>from Australian doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the Australian Medical Association has come out really

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<v Speaker 2>strongly against Trump's claims. The AMA's New South Wales president,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Catherine Austen called the announcement incredibly dangerous. She said

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<v Speaker 2>this claim is medically inaccurate and quote effectively spreads health

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<v Speaker 2>disinformation at a time when people are incredibly concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>their child's health. Austin emphasized that autism has an incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>complex causal pathway and it isn't caused by common medications

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<v Speaker 2>like panadol.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>James Cusack from Autistica in the UK, who I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>he noted that even when studies do show associations, they

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<v Speaker 2>are very, very small, and I think, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>should address the fact that genetics are thought to play

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<v Speaker 2>a major role in autism. These genes that are associated

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<v Speaker 2>with autism are highly hereditary. In fact, around eighty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of autism cases can be linked to inherited genic mutations.

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<v Speaker 2>According to data from UCLA. Autism develops during early brain development,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is no evidence that children can develop autism

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<v Speaker 2>after early fetal development as a result of exposure to

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<v Speaker 2>vaccines or toxins, So there is no evidence that autism

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<v Speaker 2>is developed from that point. Okay, And just to round

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<v Speaker 2>out the response here in Australia, the Australian Association of

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<v Speaker 2>Psychologists has criticized Trump's claims for contributing to autism stigma.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the peak national body for psychologists, and

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<v Speaker 2>its Chief Services Officer Amanda Curran said quote, these unsubstantiated

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<v Speaker 2>claims seem to be placing the blame on parents for

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<v Speaker 2>taking an everyday medication that has proven it to be safe.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, autism is a neurodevelopmental difference, not a disease

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<v Speaker 2>or deficit to be feared or prevented.

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<v Speaker 1>So for the TDA audience, people who may be listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, who are pregnant or might know someone who's pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>what do they do with this information?

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<v Speaker 2>So really important to listen to the Australian government's advice

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<v Speaker 2>on this. I think it has cautioned pregnant women not

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<v Speaker 2>to follow Trump and Kennedy's advice without first seeking medical guidance.

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<v Speaker 2>The Health Minister Mark Butler said the government is working

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<v Speaker 2>with the TGA to provide advice. But Butler said paracetamol

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<v Speaker 2>is not obviously just a painkilling medication. It's an important

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<v Speaker 2>treatment for fever, which can also be dangerous if left untreated.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the translation of all of this, Lucy is

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<v Speaker 2>not to panic, to wait until we hear otherwise. But

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<v Speaker 2>for now everything is as it was before when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to paracetamol used during pregnancy, which is that it

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<v Speaker 2>is completely safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so much for diving into that for us, Emma,

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure packing all of it, and thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for joining us today. We'll be back again this

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<v Speaker 1>evening with the headlines and once again tomorrow with another

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive. Until then, have a great day. My name

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