1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: the twenty fourth of September. I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Tassel. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: One of the world's most common pain relief medications, has 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: dominated headlines over the past twenty four to forty eight 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: hours after recent comments from the Trump administration linking paracetamol 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: to autism. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: I want to say it like it is. Don't take dalanol, 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: don't take it. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Warnings from the US about the use of Tailanol, a 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: brand of paracetamol during pregnancy, prompted Australia's Health Minister Mark 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: Butler to seek urgent advice from the Therapeutic Goods Administration. 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Today we are going to take you through what the 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: US President and other officials said, the backlash, Australia's response, 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: and what the science actually says about paraceta safety. But 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: before we get into it, he is a quick word 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: from our. 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Sponsor, Emma. This story has evolved quite rapidly this week. 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: Can you take me back to the start? What was said? 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: How did this begin? 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Yes? So, US President Donald Trump this week made what 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: he's calling one of the biggest medical announcements in decades 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: to confront what he has called, quote, the crisis of autism. 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: Trump was joined by US officials, including Health Secretary Robert F. 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior. RFK Junior, at a White House press conference 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: on Monday, where he claimed that tylanol is a very 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: big factor in autism. Now, just to clarify here for 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: our audience, thailanol and panadol. They are both brand names 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: for the same active ingredient, paracetamol, which is also called acidaminifen, 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: which you may have heard some American officials calling it 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: that effective. Immediately, Trump said that the FDA will be 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: notifying physicians, gps and doctors that the use of parasitamol 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: during pregnancy quote, can be associated with a very increased 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: risk of autism. 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: What do we need to know about the FDA. 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the FDA is the Food and Drug Administration. 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: They are America's equivalent to what we have here the TGA, 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: the Therapeutic Goods Administration. So those bodies are both the 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: medicine regulators for their respective countries. 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Okay, before we go any further, we should probably touch 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: on kind of can you give us like a broad brushstrokes. 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: What is autism? 45 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so, autism spectrum disorder is a condition diagnosed through 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 2: developmental assessments and neurobehavioral observations. It is a neurodevelopmental condition, 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: meaning if you are autistic, you are born autistic. That's 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: what the evidence tells us. The support that autistic people 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: need can vary because it's in the name a spectrum. 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: Autism is considered a spectrum, so it is often character 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: rised by differences in communication styles, maybe some issues with 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: sensory processing, but that disorder means that you know, no 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: one autistic person is the same as the other. In 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, a study suggested that routine childhood vaccines 55 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: might cause autism, but this study has been debunked its 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: author was deregistered as a doctor. Regardless, though, that sentiment 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: that relationship between vaccines and autism remains in some communities. 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: And partly propagated by RFK Junior himself. 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: In exactly which we will get into in a little bit. 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Now, does this mean that the US's FDA is 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: advising against the use of paracetamol during pregnancy? 62 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: Not completely, but essentially so Trump's focus is on its 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: use during pregnancy. He said that paracetamal use should be 64 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: restricted to only in cases of an extremely high temperature 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: in pregnancy. 66 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: In other words, a fever that's very, very dangerous, and 67 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: so ideally you don't take it at all, but if 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: you have to, if you can't tough it out, or 69 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: if you's a problem, you're going to end up doing it. 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier obviously that Kennedy, the Health Secretary, has 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: a history with suggesting various medicines could lead to certain 72 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: neurodevelopmental disorders. But I have to say I was pretty 73 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: surprised by the paracetamol of it all. That kind of 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: to me anyway, came out of nowhere this week. Why 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: were health officials even looking into this? 76 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you're right, Lucy. It did come 77 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: as a little bit of a surprise for us here 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: in Australia. But there has been a focus within the 79 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: Trump administration around autism diagnoses spiking within the US, so 80 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: they've tripled in the past two decades. Paracetamol use has 81 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: remained largely steady over that time. But correlation does not 82 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: equal causation, which we'll get into RFK Junior, specifically, as 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: you flagged, has long promoted debunked theories around vaccines and autism, 84 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: and both he and Trump have stated on previous occasions 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: that they believe there's an autism epidemic in the US 86 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: attributed to this so called explosion in cases. When Kennedy 87 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: was appointed to the Health Secretary portfolio, he promised earlier 88 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: this year to identify the cause of autism by September. 89 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so this month, this month, and. 90 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: Here we are. And he has pointed to everything from 91 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: synthetic food dies to childhood vaccines as potential concern points. 92 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: So from his perspective, I suppose paracetamol just falls into 93 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: a bigger mission that he is on. 94 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: What is the kind of evidence that the White House 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: is presenting? Have they explained any of the findings or 96 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: evidence linking autism and paracetamol? 97 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: So specifically, the White House does say that it has 98 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: evidence to suggest paracetamol use in pregnant women, especially late 99 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: in pregnancy, may cause quote long term neurological effects in children. 100 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: According to a statement, the findings of multiple large scale 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: cohort studies link prenatal parasitamal exposure to altered brain development 102 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and adverse birth outcomes. That's what the White House has said, 103 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: and that increased incidence in neurodevelopmental disorders also includes ADHD. 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: So a lot of the focus is about autism, but 105 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: there is also a conversation here going on about ADHD. 106 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: I do just want to point out, though, that while 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: the White House has cited large scale studies, the language 108 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: used in those studies include words like may, suggest, proposed. 109 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: There is no absolute certainty about this link, and Trump 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: has even conceded that himself this week. 111 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: It's not that everything percent understood or known, but I 112 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: think we've made a lot of. 113 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: Strides despite that. Trump's advice is that pregnant women should quote, 114 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: fight like hell not to take paracetamol. 115 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Okay, is there any data to contradict these claims. 116 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: There have been some studies suggesting a potential link between 117 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: paracetamol use in pregnancy and slightly higher autism rates. Yeah, 118 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: but according to multiple other studies, it's a different story. 119 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: Okay. 120 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to quote some comments from James Cusack. He's 121 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: the chief executive of a UK autism research and campaigning 122 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: charity called Autistica. He's quoted in the scientific journal Nature 123 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: as saying there is no definitive evidence to suggest that 124 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: parascetamol use in mothers is a cause of autism, and 125 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: when you see any associations, they are very, very small. 126 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: He said. At the heart of this is people trying 127 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: to look for simple answers to complex problems. The biggest 128 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: and most comprehensive study to date on this also tells 129 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: a different story to the latest FDA advice from Trump 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: and RFK Junior. So, a Swedish study published last year 131 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: actually looked at data from two and a half million 132 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: children born between nineteen ninety five and twenty nineteen. 133 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a huge sample size. That's a sample size 134 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: that I dream about when we when we get reports 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: here at the Daily OS, I'm always looking what's the 136 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: sample size exactly? People did they talk to? Two point 137 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: five million is incredible. 138 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: I knew you would like that one. 139 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: Let's see, thank you. 140 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: So, what this study found was that when researchers compared siblings, 141 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: so where one was exposed to paracetamol in utero and 142 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: where one wasn't, any apparent link to autism completely disappeared. 143 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: So that suggests that other factors like genetics or underlying 144 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: maternal health conditions better explain any associations that we might see. Okay, 145 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: I think it's also really important to note here from 146 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: a public health perspective, paracetamol is considered the safest pain 147 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: and temperature medication for pregnant women. Pregnant women don't have 148 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: a lot of options when it comes to medications while 149 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: they are carrying a fetus, and so you know, this medication, 150 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: paracetamol is sometimes their only safe option. It is used 151 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: by roughly half of all pregnant people worldwide, and high 152 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: temperature during pregnancy, if left untreated, is actually a known 153 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: risk factor for a raft of issues, including neurodevelopmental disorders 154 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: in children, but also miscourage, blood pressure issues, and you 155 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: know anxiety and mental health concerns that come with the 156 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 2: pain of being untreated. 157 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: So does that mean that there could be kind of 158 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: unintended consequences from this US announcement. 159 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: That's pretty much what global experts are now warning. Yes. So, 160 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: doctor Lyndon Stocker is from the University Hospital Southampton, that's 161 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: a really large teaching hospital in the UK, and that 162 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: doctor warned that suggesting paracetamol is unsafe will cause much 163 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: anxiety to women who already feel vulnerable. So that kind 164 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: of speaks to you know, that pregnant women don't have 165 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: that many options on the table if they are unwell 166 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: while they're pregnant, and paracetamol is really important. 167 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard from the US and now from the UK. 168 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: We are the Daily OZ. So what has Australia said 169 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: in response to this announcement. 170 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: There's been a really strong reaction here in Australia. Shortly 171 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: after the FDA updated its advice, and shortly after that 172 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: Trump press conference, Federal Health Minister Mark Butler reached out 173 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: to the TGA, our FDA, you could say, our drug 174 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: regulator for urgent advice on this announcement out of the US. Then, 175 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: in a press conference on Monday evening, Butler urged pregnant 176 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: women not to take action on these reports without seeking 177 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: medical advice first. The Health Minister also reiterated that crucial 178 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: point that we've mentioned, paracetamol isn't just for pain relief. 179 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: It's a really important treatment against high temperatures. Then the 180 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: TGA released a statement on Tuesday rejecting claims linking paracetamol 181 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: to autism or ADHD. It's said there is robust scientific 182 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: evidence to support the safety of this medication and quote 183 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: several large and reliable studies directly contradicting the claims out 184 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: of the US. 185 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Before this week. What was the TGO's advice on paracetamol 186 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:38,359 Speaker 1: during pregnancy. 187 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: Yes, so, paracetamol is classified as a Category A drug 188 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: for pregnancy. That means that it's been taken by large 189 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: numbers of pregnant women without any proven increase in birth 190 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: defects or harmful impacts on the fetus. So basically regulators 191 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: here have given it the greenest green light possible for 192 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 2: use during pregnancy. 193 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Have we heard anything else from Australia's medical community, like 194 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: from Australian doctors. 195 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Australian Medical Association has come out really 196 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: strongly against Trump's claims. The AMA's New South Wales president, 197 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: doctor Catherine Austen called the announcement incredibly dangerous. She said 198 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: this claim is medically inaccurate and quote effectively spreads health 199 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: disinformation at a time when people are incredibly concerned about 200 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: their child's health. Austin emphasized that autism has an incredibly 201 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: complex causal pathway and it isn't caused by common medications 202 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: like panadol. 203 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Okay. 204 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: James Cusack from Autistica in the UK, who I mentioned earlier, 205 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: he noted that even when studies do show associations, they 206 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: are very, very small, and I think, you know, we 207 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: should address the fact that genetics are thought to play 208 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: a major role in autism. These genes that are associated 209 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: with autism are highly hereditary. In fact, around eighty percent 210 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: of autism cases can be linked to inherited genic mutations. 211 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: According to data from UCLA. Autism develops during early brain development, 212 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: and there is no evidence that children can develop autism 213 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: after early fetal development as a result of exposure to 214 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: vaccines or toxins, So there is no evidence that autism 215 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: is developed from that point. Okay, And just to round 216 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: out the response here in Australia, the Australian Association of 217 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: Psychologists has criticized Trump's claims for contributing to autism stigma. 218 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: So this is the peak national body for psychologists, and 219 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: its Chief Services Officer Amanda Curran said quote, these unsubstantiated 220 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: claims seem to be placing the blame on parents for 221 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: taking an everyday medication that has proven it to be safe. 222 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: She said, autism is a neurodevelopmental difference, not a disease 223 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,119 Speaker 2: or deficit to be feared or prevented. 224 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: So for the TDA audience, people who may be listening 225 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: to this, who are pregnant or might know someone who's pregnant, 226 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: what do they do with this information? 227 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: So really important to listen to the Australian government's advice 228 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: on this. I think it has cautioned pregnant women not 229 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: to follow Trump and Kennedy's advice without first seeking medical guidance. 230 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: The Health Minister Mark Butler said the government is working 231 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: with the TGA to provide advice. But Butler said paracetamol 232 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: is not obviously just a painkilling medication. It's an important 233 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: treatment for fever, which can also be dangerous if left untreated. 234 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: I think the translation of all of this, Lucy is 235 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: not to panic, to wait until we hear otherwise. But 236 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: for now everything is as it was before when it 237 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: comes to paracetamol used during pregnancy, which is that it 238 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: is completely safe. 239 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for diving into that for us, Emma, 240 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: a pleasure packing all of it, and thank you so 241 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. We'll be back again this 242 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: evening with the headlines and once again tomorrow with another 243 00:14:53,640 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: deep dive. Until then, have a great day. My name 244 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bugelung Calcoton 245 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: woman from Gadighl country. 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