WEBVTT - Interview: James Charles 

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<v Speaker 1>Bring me a little water now. Hi, sisters. This is

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<v Speaker 1>James Charles on The Smallsy Show, now on KISS. Grab

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<v Speaker 1>your pinkity drinkities, grab your snackity wackity woos, and brace yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Smallsy, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great. How are you? Where are you? What are

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<v Speaker 3>you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I am in my wig room downstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever we've done our interviews previously, I've usually taken them

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<v Speaker 1>from the production studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm currently live on the painting account right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I am live from the wig room. James Charles, everybody. Hello. Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I love about you? Normal people don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a wig room, but you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, nothing about me or my house is normal. We've

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<v Speaker 1>converted the entire basement when I bought this place into

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<v Speaker 1>a full production studio. So this is the wig room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the hair salon, the nail salon. It's where we

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<v Speaker 1>do painted photo shoots. It's where all the models come

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<v Speaker 1>and makeup artists get everybody ready. So it sounds ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is actually. It's used for the business.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, with the wigs on the wall, are they on display?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you use them or are they just like for props?

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<v Speaker 1>No, every now and then I use them for like

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of drag looks. I don't really do like

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<v Speaker 1>the transformations very often anymore, but I did like Elastigirl

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<v Speaker 1>for Halloween a couple of days ago. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>wig is sitting right there. So every now and then

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<v Speaker 1>we pull the wig out for a nice little transformation.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm not familiar with wigs. Are they expensive or

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<v Speaker 4>is that like polyester, like cheap stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>These ones on this row are all polyester. These ones

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<v Speaker 1>down on this row on the top row are all

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<v Speaker 1>human hair. So those ones are really expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you get the human hair?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, women donate that. Women grow out their hair and

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<v Speaker 2>then donate them.

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<v Speaker 3>That's cool. If not a little weird, but that's hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely a little weird, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you've got your great looks. You do great things.

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<v Speaker 4>It's wonderful to see you. We had too much wig chat.

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<v Speaker 4>James Charles back on the show. It's been too long.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really great.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the last time we talked was back in

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<v Speaker 1>April when Painted had just launched our domestic shipping in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been way too long.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been good. I've had a busy year. Painted's doing amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've released some new songs as well, getting ready to

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<v Speaker 1>start rolling out my EP.

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<v Speaker 2>5150 just came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting ready for holiday season. Lots of fun things happening.

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<v Speaker 1>We just did our first ever pop-up shop, so I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm chilling.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm busy, but I'm blessed. Yeah, you have the new song, 5150.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to get to that in a second, but

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<v Speaker 4>I just quickly want to talk about the pop-up shop

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<v Speaker 4>you did because you went viral for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got the moment. Here's the moment. James Charles cutting

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<v Speaker 3>the ribbon. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go. This is the first time that people

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<v Speaker 2>will get to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Me curing the blind. That's the beauty about being me.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know when you're going to wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>be a new meme. And sometimes I have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>manufacture them, but it's moments like this where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did somebody even come up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy what.

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<v Speaker 1>People have turned this moment into, but it's hilarious to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, because you did wake up becoming a new internet

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<v Speaker 4>meme after that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you do like, cause some people love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people like, like ride, like, like critique and like

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<v Speaker 4>have things to say at this stage of the game.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, whatever bitch, just increase my engagement and boost

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<v Speaker 4>me on the algorithm. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the whole point of.

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<v Speaker 1>That weekend was specifically to market painted and have a

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<v Speaker 1>pop-up shop and celebrate the incredible artists and community that

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<v Speaker 1>we have built. So whilst I never enjoy getting made

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<v Speaker 1>fun of online, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend was not about me. It was about painted.

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<v Speaker 1>So if these videos are getting 10, 20, 30 million views,

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of me for crying and being grateful for

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand person line waiting outside of my fricking store.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So be it, have fun, make your memes, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>People are, people are mean though.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like half the meanness is people that wish

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<v Speaker 4>they were you, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that one to me was so bizarre because people were,

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<v Speaker 1>some people thought it was funny, but also plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, oh my God, he's fake crying for attention.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Have none of you people ever like gotten emotional in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of your sentence and needed to like pause

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<v Speaker 1>to collect yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>For a second? That was the one.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the one I saw that he was like,

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<v Speaker 4>look at James Charles fake crying at the opening of

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<v Speaker 4>his pop-up. And I was like, Hey, maybe he's actually

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely emotional that like this empire he's built. And now

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<v Speaker 4>he's in the biggest city in the world, opening a

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<v Speaker 4>pop-up shop and people have shown up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that people have just seen me exist on

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<v Speaker 1>social media for a long time and know that I

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<v Speaker 1>have thick skin going through a roller coaster of a

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<v Speaker 1>career over the last 10 years of growing up with

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people watching.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that people are not.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to seeing me be vulnerable or emotional because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't show that online as much. So whenever it does happen,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty rare, but often happens in sentimental moments

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<v Speaker 1>like that where I am so grateful and feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>blessed it comes it could come across as like fake

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<v Speaker 1>because there are a lot of influencers that would fake something.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that oh aren't there oh aren't there there are

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<v Speaker 4>so many that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was real that was definitely real but i do think

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny i'm willing to laugh along with it for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>There are so many um well you are here because

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<v Speaker 4>you've got a brand new track out right now 51

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<v Speaker 4>50 i mean for people who know a 51 50

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<v Speaker 4>is when you get put on a psychiatric hold in

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<v Speaker 4>the great state of california james charles are you crazy

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<v Speaker 4>Is this your cry for help?

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<v Speaker 1>So 5150 is basically all about basically, 5150 basically is

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, help, I'm crazy. Someone come stop me. The

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<v Speaker 1>song is really fun. It's very campy. It's definitely not serious.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so deeply satirical and metaphorical. But the song

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<v Speaker 1>basically talks about like, I'm falling in love with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that I know is a terrible idea for me. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to end in flames. So you're basically saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody come stop me from falling in love with this

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<v Speaker 1>person because I'm going to get myself hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to give it a play in just a second,

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<v Speaker 4>but before I do, you're, you're never shy of a

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<v Speaker 4>hot take, uh, any celebrities you think need to have

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<v Speaker 4>a 51 50 put on them at the minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Myself, probably, for putting out.

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<v Speaker 3>A song about such a crazy topic. Hey, what's this

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<v Speaker 3>H3 drama?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you across this H3 drama, Trisha Paytas?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on there? You're my internet man.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Liar.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's pretty sad whenever a family gets

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<v Speaker 1>broken up by somebody, you know. doing something lame to

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<v Speaker 1>their significant other or partner. I've never been in a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship before, but you know, I, I would feel lucky

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<v Speaker 1>and blessed if I ever ended up with one boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you never had a relationship? Have you never had a,

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<v Speaker 4>have you've never been in a relationship?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, not, not officially.

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten, I've been pretty close to some lovely talking

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<v Speaker 1>stages and stuff, but I just never ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>Finding the right person for myself.

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<v Speaker 4>Not in a rush.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll come whenever they're meant to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think, is it you, James? Are you high maintenance?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, Maybe I also have a really crazy career and

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<v Speaker 1>job that has a lot of, you know, weird quirks

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<v Speaker 1>and qualities and requirements. And I definitely have pretty high

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<v Speaker 1>standards after what I've been through in my life. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just waiting for the right person to come along

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<v Speaker 1>that can be all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I would, I would imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>And like, if for you, like you would, someone would

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<v Speaker 4>have to be very secure in themselves because the amount

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<v Speaker 4>of attention that you get and not necessarily people able

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<v Speaker 4>to separate the two and not be sort of maybe

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<v Speaker 4>jealous or, but also too, like I would imagine you

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<v Speaker 4>would probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Not even just jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some really great situationships or talking stages that

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<v Speaker 1>I was really enjoying getting to know and seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>it was promising. But at the last minute they were like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like you, but I'm just not comfortable talking.

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<v Speaker 1>like jumping into your life in the spotlight this is

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<v Speaker 1>what i want for myself and while that of course

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<v Speaker 1>like sucks for me that is so valid in such

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<v Speaker 1>a like that is normal right like yeah not totally

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<v Speaker 1>crazy lifestyle and and a life with millions of people

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<v Speaker 1>weighing in and judging and making content and that is

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<v Speaker 1>not for everybody so whilst it's disappointing when something ends

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<v Speaker 1>i think that is a super reasonable and fair um

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<v Speaker 1>And fair, not excuse, but fair.

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<v Speaker 4>It's reasonable that some people may not necessarily always want that.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it. I get it. I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, can we play this? I want to play the song.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to play the song 5150. Do you want

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<v Speaker 4>to do the intro for it, James? All you need

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<v Speaker 4>to say is this for the first time on Kiss

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<v Speaker 4>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Do your thing. Be Radio DJ 101. Go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Hello, kids in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>This is James Charles here, and you're about to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to my brand new song, 5150.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 3>James Charles, brand new song.

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<v Speaker 4>That is 5150 here on the Smallsie Show. Hey, while

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<v Speaker 4>you're here, Makeup King, Halloween is a couple of days away. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited. What are we doing looks-wise?

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<v Speaker 4>For people who are listening, what can we do? Slutty princess,

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<v Speaker 4>is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 3>What do we do?

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<v Speaker 1>I just talked about this in my new video today.

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<v Speaker 1>Slutty princess, slutty dog, slutty cat, slutty nurse, whatever. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all fine as long as you put in the effort, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see some cheap, little, stupid, simple

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<v Speaker 1>bodysuit from... like a random online boutique and a cute

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<v Speaker 1>little pair of pumps and a little black smoky eye.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a corset, get a waist trainer, cinch that shit up,

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<v Speaker 1>put on a six-inch high heel, sit in the glam

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<v Speaker 1>chair for at least a couple of hours, do your makeup,

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<v Speaker 1>give yourself a blowout, and put some effort into the costume.

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<v Speaker 1>If you wanna be sexy and slutty, no problem, love that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a whore too, but at least make it seem

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<v Speaker 1>like you care about Halloween. This is the best time

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<v Speaker 1>of year, it's where you get to look fun or

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<v Speaker 1>hot or ridiculous, And no one's going to judge. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't just go out to get drunk at a stupid party.

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<v Speaker 2>Look hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Or buy the create paints from Painted and put on

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<v Speaker 1>a full colorful glam.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn yourself into Struck. Turn yourself into a ladybug. Turn

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<v Speaker 2>yourself into him from Powerpuff Girls. You can be ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be fun. You can be campy. You can

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<v Speaker 2>be over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to be a whore for Instagram every

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<v Speaker 1>single day of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your one excuse to do something creative.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can appreciate when somebody puts in the effort

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what the costume is.

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<v Speaker 3>And we are out of time. So thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, what about people who want to dress up as

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly Clarkson's bird? Is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 2>That would be it. I would be obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>That is like the definition of like gay Halloween. I

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<v Speaker 1>love when people always make the jokes about like, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love gay Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and my roommate just did that. We did Paula

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<v Speaker 1>Deen in a stick of butter. Do you know who

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<v Speaker 1>Paula Deen is over in Australia?

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<v Speaker 3>Who? Paula Deen, the chef? The chef?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's obsessed with butter?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know who Paula, yes, we absolutely do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we did Paula Deen in a stick of

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<v Speaker 1>butter and that's like my favorite caption is like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean? Or I love gay Halloween because what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean we're Paula Deen in a stick of butter?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a great one. I love gay Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>because what do you mean? I'm Kelly Clarkson's bird that

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<v Speaker 1>she tried to buy from Art of Play in Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 1>and they said she paid $ 15 million.

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<v Speaker 2>I love her. She is a queen to me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, the new song is called 5150. While I've got you,

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<v Speaker 4>is there anything you'd like to say to Taylor Swift?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I did notice she blocked you on the charts

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<v Speaker 4>from a number one. Uh, it's, it is, it is

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<v Speaker 4>no coincidence. You release a brand new song and then

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<v Speaker 4>Taylor Swift drops 15 variants to try and stop you

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<v Speaker 4>and block you from your, your rightful billboard.

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, number.

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<v Speaker 2>One, she is such a hater. She's always been jealous

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<v Speaker 2>of me. I love Taylor. I'm such a Swifty. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I had put out that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>put out the song and Taylor surprise released.

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<v Speaker 2>Her variants and stuff. And she is known.

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<v Speaker 1>For obviously she's number one always and forever so she's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of known at this point for from blocking other

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<v Speaker 1>artists from getting that position so i made the joke

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<v Speaker 1>of like obviously it's never gonna happen i mean never

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<v Speaker 1>say never at least not right now it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was never at least not right now never say never

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<v Speaker 4>stranger things never say.

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<v Speaker 1>Never but definitely not right now i'm at least very

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<v Speaker 1>self-aware so i thought it would be fun to you

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<v Speaker 1>know poke a little.

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<v Speaker 4>I i did i thoroughly enjoyed it i thoroughly enjoyed

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<v Speaker 4>it let me tell you let.

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<v Speaker 2>Me I love getting to do music.

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<v Speaker 1>I love putting out my songs and I'm, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to build a small community, you know, song by song

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<v Speaker 1>and post by post. So anybody that's willing to tune

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<v Speaker 1>in and stream and listen, I'm very grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully one day we can end up on a billboard chart,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's, you know, bubbling under at the very bottom. No, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, you know, you, you believe dream achieve you. You're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting in a wig room. Anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so real. Love bringing it full circle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's absolutely. Hey, thank you for being on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Come back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>Next.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to come into the studio next time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my God.

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<v Speaker 3>You can paint me like a, like a, like a

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<v Speaker 3>slutty Halloween princess.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I love being, I'm down for some charity work in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Bye now.

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<v Speaker 3>Make a wish. Yeah, you can do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very funny. I always love having you on the show. James,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for being on. Congrats on the new song.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Smallsy. So nice to see you.

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