WEBVTT - 06 - The Future 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.959 Once a high flying minister, now a broken man. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.720 It was a significant error of judgment on my put 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:17.079 but it was an honester. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.040 In two thousand and nine, he was found guilty of 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:28.720 corruptly receiving secret commissions and jailed for seven years. In 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.519 twenty ten, he was found guilty on five charges of 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.599 official corruption and five charges of perjury and jailed for 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.880 an additional seven years. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.760 There's a lot of things that I had no idea 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:43.680 about and shocked me. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.560 I'm glad that dad had the chance to tell his story. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:50.800 I want to go to an Irish pub and I 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:52.520 want to drink Guinness, and I want to sing. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:55.320 My name is Gordon. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:07.080 Nuttle, and this is my story. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.080 The Man behind the Rose. Episode six. Hello, my name's 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:11.000 Patrick Contren. Thanks for your patience and understanding around the 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:17.280 delayed publication of this chapter. In this final episode, Gordon 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.560 and his kids Andrew and Lisa look to the future, 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.920 a future they sometimes had trouble glimpsing during their father's 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:30.000 fourteen year sentence and more recently his diagnosis of stage 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:35.200 four kidney cancer. For all their trials and tribulations, some 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:40.240 self inflicted, some not, the Nuttles have remained stubbornly positive. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.840 They've had plenty of opportunities to say stuff it and 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.440 stuff the lot of you and just give up, but 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.960 they haven't. One of the most telling insights from this 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.640 episode is the revelations that various family members had while 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.920 listening to the podcast. Gordon Nuttle has not been paid 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:06.880 for taking part in this podcast. The final leg of 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.239 our journey starts in Woodgate, the sleepy beachside village about 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:16.040 four hours drive north of Brisbane. If you're ever in 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.959 the vicinity, tried the apple turnover at the local bakery. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.760 It'll transport you back to school touch shops of the 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:27.760 sixties and seventies. Gordon and I recorded the first part 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.800 of this episode at the end of a long day. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.600 He'd had his second cancer treatment the day before and 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.440 his parole had ended at midnight. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:45.280 What's the future hole, I think I've got twelve grandkids. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:51.160 I think that's finished. So that's helpful. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.079 Look, I hope for me. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.200 That now that I've been able to tell the world 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:08.160 my side of things, that I can rest more easy 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.280 in my mind. That at least people can make their 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.120 own judgment, but you make it based on information on 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.079 both sides. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.320 Why was it important for you to tell your. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:25.400 Story because I because I haven't been allowed to. I 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.359 haven't been allowed to for fourteen years. I haven't been 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.639 able to say to the people of Queensland, this is 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.120 what really happened, and this is what you need to 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.600 hear in terms of how I was treated, how it 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:47.560 was done, and for what purpose? You know, I just ill. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.080 I still it still beggars me to I don't understand 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.920 why and for what purpose, you know, other than people's 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.160 own egos and to enhance their own careers and reputations. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:05.920 I've tried really hard since I've come home to not 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:07.000 let it eat me up. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:08.520 Has it eaten you up? 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.480 I don't think it has. I won't say I haven't 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.360 been angry about it, but it certainly hasn't eaten me up. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.760 I have embraced life, I'd like to think, to the fullest. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.960 Since I've come home. I've had some lapses where, you know, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.040 I've kind of found things a little bit tough, but. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:31.360 In what way. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.359 Well, the struggle I had with the parole Board, the 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:40.760 struggle I had with the Public Trustee. You think you 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.000 finished jail, but you come home and I've got these 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.480 other battles you know, And so I had to get 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.400 through them as well. And then I had to fight 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.799 regarding my superinnuation. You know, there was a few battles 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.280 I still had to overcome when I got home. So, 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.680 but all those battles are one and done. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:01.080 I finished. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.000 Is the future Rose? Is the future bright? From your perspective? 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:06.599 Yeah, it is very much so. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:12.159 Even though even though I'm not well, as I said, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:14.560 I have a full life. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:16.480 What does that entail? 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:23.000 Well, entails well, certainly entail. My balls were fairly large. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.200 I love my lawn balls. I think people already know 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:26.960 that by now. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.760 But you know, I've got Jane in my life, and 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.159 I've got my kids, and I've got my grandchildren, you know. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.880 And the other thing is I have some very very 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:44.120 close friends. And through all of this I distinguished very 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:50.320 much between friends and mates and acquaintances, because when you 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.560 go through something like this, you find that that old 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.159 attitage you can count your friends on one hand as 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.280 a truism. And there were people who I thought were 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.560 really close to me deserted me as quick as anything. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.840 The fact that I know who my real real friends are, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.680 the fact that I know who my mates are, the 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.200 fact that I've got that in the scheme of life, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.159 I want for nothing. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:18.200 How would you. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:24.200 Encapsulate the journey that you've been on. It would have 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.720 started in two thousand and set up a chart. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:35.239 Yeah, challenging is probably an understatement. I don't like using 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.400 the word character building. I don't think it's character building 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:45.640 at all. It was hard and difficult, and at times 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.720 I felt it was insurmountable, but you managed to overcome it, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.880 and you managed to overcome it because of the people 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.760 in your life and people around you, and the strength 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.440 that they give you to overcome that. I've got box 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:06.360 in that shed in there, probably two three hundred, maybe more, cards, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.160 even from people I don't know, didn't know those sort 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.840 of every every time I was away. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.080 And I'd get a card or a letter. It kind 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:17.920 of just put a bit. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.680 More petrol in the tank to keep going. Just come on, 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:23.280 you can get there. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.720 You can get there, you know, because. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:30.760 Unless you've been in there, unless you've lived it. Despite 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.560 how I've described it to you, you can't imagine it. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.400 You can get a bit of a picture, but it's even. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:40.760 Worse than that. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:41.840 You know, it's horrible. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:42.480 It's horrible. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.000 And so when you get these letters and when you 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.120 get these visits and when you get these cards, the 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:53.360 littlest thing taste gives you that strength to take the 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:54.200 next step forward. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.200 How important has your family been for this. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:04.720 Gen enormously everything everything. I married very very young. I 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.440 was only about twenty to shy at twenty one, so 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.240 by the time I was forty, my youngest was fourteen. 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.480 So I've grown up with them very young. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:17.160 And I have. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:22.400 Loved being a dad, loved being a granddad, and loved 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.480 the fact that as a family were all close and 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.760 we've all worked that day. You know, we've worked at it. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.560 It's easy not to but we worked at it. So 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.520 you know, as I said, my life is full. It's 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.160 a saying in their happiness is knowing that you have 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.600 everything already or something like that. But I do, and 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.200 I sit here and I think, well, what else do 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.760 I need in life? You know, I'm in the best 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.760 of despite my challenges with my health, I'm in the 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.920 best of care. We are the best people caring for me. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.000 So I can't ask for any more than that. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.920 And of course, on that note, you were the health 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.959 minister around Giant Patel at the Bunderberg Hospital and you're 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.319 getting you're not at the same hospital, but you're getting 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:08.240 treated for your cancer. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:12.840 An irony that and there's another irony as well, you know, 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.240 your views on the judicial system and the bowls Club, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.120 your beloved Bowls Club is on Kangaroo Court. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:26.440 Yeah, it's an irony, isn't it there? But look, you know, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.599 our balls club here in Woodgate is kind of the 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.880 hub of the community here, so we get lots of people. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.720 You know, at the moment, we've got many many people 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.520 up from down south escaping the window. You know, the 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.480 place is full. That's why there's so many people around, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:46.000 because they're escaping the window. But they come here because 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.520 it's such a place of beauty. And I can't overemphasize 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.080 how this place, because of its beauty, both in people 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:02.640 and nature, have helped me heal, you know, and help 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:07.240 me not to be bitter and twisted about what has happened. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.120 And you're not bitter and twisted, No, not at all. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.000 As I said, I yes, I get angry and upset 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.920 about what's happened. But if you get bitter and twisted 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.840 at each other inside, and then you forget what's what's 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.640 around you and what you've got and the beauty that 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:25.679 is there, you know. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.120 So what is your day entailed? You get up and 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.920 go for a walk along the beach. I mean now 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.600 that you're now that you're a free man. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:40.760 Yeah, I don't have to report in anymore. I have 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.439 out the back beautiful. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.719 I've got a lovely garden at the back, and I 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.880 like to sit out there and have a couple and. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:49.760 Look at my birds. 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.720 There's I've got a bird feeder and a bird bath, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.880 and you sit there and look at nature. So out 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.800 the back is a bit like the bush, and out 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 the front the beach, you know. So I've got it all. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.320 And so in summer it will be a swim. I 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.440 always go for a swim on the first day of spring. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.680 The water's fresh, mind you, Yeah, like my day in tails, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.040 the fact that it's peaceful. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:14.280 You know. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.960 You get up, have my Kappa and go for a 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.079 walk or a bit of a workout in the gym 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:24.240 and balls is probably four days week. But I do 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.680 want to know that I'm able to and free. I 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.080 do want to travel. I haven't been able to go 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:34.080 into state without permission, so that process was just ridiculous. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.080 So I didn't even try to apply for that. So yeah, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.120 I kind of like to do a bit of travel 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:41.880 now that I can. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.680 And you're the local Bowls champion, I believe. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.720 Yeah, I've been fortunate enough to win it a couple 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.880 of times, and I think I can hold my own 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.120 on the green from time to time. But those people 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.680 in the bowling fraternity, in the region that I live in, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.320 Bunderberg region or the Wide Bay region, I've just been 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.880 so wonderful people. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.680 As I said, it's always surprised me. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.680 People I don't even know who come up to me 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.800 and just say it's lovely to see you here, or 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.480 isn't it good to be home, and all that sort 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 of stuff, and it just feels the heart and feel 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.960 the heart. So yeah, I feel very blessed to be 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.360 where I am and have what I have in my life. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.079 A lot of people in your position would be bitter 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.360 and twisted. They would be more angry than you are. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.000 What does that say. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.400 I'd like to think that I have a stronger character 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:46.120 than that, and that having come through what I've come through, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:48.040 i am. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.600 I'm more round it. As a person. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.880 I would have to say that I've had a fairly 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.440 eventful life if you kind of look at it, I 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.360 always felt my career in politics finished too early, and 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.079 there is so much more I would like to have tried. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.160 To have done. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.960 And I'm really proud of what I did achieve while 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.880 I was in there. We were the first state in 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:18.720 the country the band smoking in pubs and restaurants and 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:20.719 clubs and out on the footpath. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:21.679 We led the. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.839 Way and I'm really proud of that. I'm really proud 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.400 of the fact that while I was a Health minister 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.920 we introduced the fact that every baby has to have 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.200 a hearing test. I know they're not big things in 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.800 the world, but they are important to people. And that 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.720 was the beauty of the health portfolio, that there are 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.240 a lot of good things you could do. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 What was the highlight of your time in politics? 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.319 I think being pointed to the health minister it was 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.120 a big deal because I knew it was an opportunity 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.760 to do some really good stuff. There's a lot of 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.719 a lot of people get in there and they get 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.080 the folio and they get gun shy. They get gunshy 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.920 and they're frightened to do anything because they're worried about 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.000 what the media might say, or what the premier. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:08.720 Might say or whatever. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.320 There's a few couple of things that I perhaps would 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.560 have done differently. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.840 Not organized alone with Ken Tellbam. 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:19.520 Oh, well, that was definitely one of That was the 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.840 low point. But that wasn't about politics. That was the 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.840 whole thing. The whole thing about all of this is 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.400 none of that was about politics, you know, it was 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:36.840 about personal family stuff. Yeah, And I think people generally 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.320 need to understand that. You know, when you're a minister 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.280 of the crown, you're not perfect. You're going to make 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.920 mistakes and you're going to get things wrong. But you're 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.840 only going to do that if you're doing something. But 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.560 if you're sit around and do nothing, which is really easy, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.760 and just take all the advice, take all the advice 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.280 and bureaucrats sign all the letters, what are you achieving there? 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.280 I couldn't see that the point of just sitting there 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:02.920 and doing nothing as a minister. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:04.440 Do you feel better? 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:06.960 Feel better? Now? It's been. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.920 To be able to tell my story and tell people 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.000 what really happened. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.560 People will make their own judgments about that. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.360 Do you care what people think? 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:19.960 No? 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.040 I don't, because in my heart of hearts, I know 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.840 who I am, and I know that what I've told 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:30.520 you today and over the last few days that that's 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:31.720 exactly what happened. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.320 So if people. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.680 Choose not to believe that, that's up to them. But 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.200 I have to say that's not the experience I've had 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:44.600 from the wide in general public. They've been outstanding, outstanding. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.560 Just in closing, I'll tell you one funny story. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:48.800 I'll decide if it's funny. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.160 Yes, you can decide if it's funny. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.680 I mean, and this is not a plug for Woollies, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.760 but I've in Willies. I'm doing my grocery shop. This 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:04.440 old fellow, Hey, hey, he's a farmer, you know, mate, mate. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.440 And he comes right he said, you're you Gordon Addle? 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.080 And I said yeah, And he says, Mom, come over here, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.040 come over here, Mom a top of his voice and 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:15.720 he's yelling. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.600 Everyone's looking around. You know this quake is you know? 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.240 This is this Gordon Noddle. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:22.960 They put him in jail. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.440 He didn't need to go to jarl. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:25.640 He's a real good lake. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.360 And everyone's looking. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.200 But but the purpose of saying that story is that 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:39.440 that how wonderful and beautiful people were towards me. No 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.880 one has ever come up to me and said you're 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.480 a tossa for what you did. You know, they've been 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.560 nothing but kind and generous in giving of good wishes 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:58.119 to me. And I found that he put my faith. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.640 Back in into people. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.520 But what it choses. People aren't stupid. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.280 They know when someone's been stitched up, they know when 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.560 someone's been taken. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:06.800 For a life. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.280 People aren't silly, and they know they can see through 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:14.040 all that they know. And that's what gave me heart. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.320 It's a lot of heart, you know, because I thought, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.400 what if I'm not accepted, what what do I do? 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.000 And I thought, well, put my toe on the water 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.080 and see what happens. And there's been nothing but wonderful. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.560 Surely, after we finished that interview, Gordon had a bad 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.639 response to his latest cancer treatment and our plans for 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.480 catching up with two of his kids, Lisa and Andrew 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.800 had to be put on hold for a couple of weeks, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.200 but as you'll hear, he's bounced back. Both Lisa and 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.320 Andrew say they've been surprised at the public's response to 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.960 their father's story, as well as their own reactions. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.560 I'm glad that Dad had the chance to tell his 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.879 story and I think it just gave hopefully gave people 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.119 a bit of an insight into some of the things 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.440 that went on and some of the like the other 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.080 side of the story, because obviously we only ever see 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:13.120 the one side on the news, the biased side. So yeah, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.640 it was good for Dad to be able to speak openly, yeah, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.000 and tell those truths. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.480 Yeah, definitely, just glad that he got to get off 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.840 his chest. Really, I think you were holding in a 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.040 lot for a long time, and now that you've was, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.399 and now that you've it's almost like a therapy session 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.000 for you. But it is serious because there's a lot 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.919 of things that I didn't that I've listened to that 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.399 I didn't know about, I had no idea about, and 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:45.000 shocked me. And yeah, no, I'm just glad that you 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.560 got it out there. And even different people have said 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.120 to me, you know, how good it is and how 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.439 Hagrid is to hear that side of it. Yes, it 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.800 was the other thing. For example, lady at work, her 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:02.399 husband he is. I always thought he was a grub, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.040 you know. I always just heard what was on the 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.080 TV and what was in the papers. But now he's 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.240 a bloody legend. You I want to shake his hands. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:10.160 You know. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.840 But that sort of thing like that's sort of I'm 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.520 glad that's been able to get out there and people 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.080 have been able to hear and sit, yeah, what actually 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.480 or your side of it as we say, Yeah. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.920 I probably didn't even realize myself about getting it off 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.720 my chest like that. And I've been able to talk 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.880 about it, you know, as it went on, you know, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:37.399 on and on and on with the podcast. It was 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.240 hard because I had to relive it. But but the 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.200 fact that I've been able to do that and tell 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.560 my story is I really feel a lot of weight 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.080 off my shoulders, to be honest. And as you know, 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.240 out in the shed, I've got a dozen box plastic 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.080 boxes of all the material and all the stuff that's there. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.879 We're going to bondfire. We're going to get all the 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.679 family to get out. We're out someone's place. It's got 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.199 a bit of acreage. Thro it all on the fire 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.080 and have a drink and say goodbye to yesterday. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:11.440 And that was it. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.480 You know, that was a chapter in our lives that's 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:19.040 gone now. And for all of us as a family, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.720 just to burn the bloody thing and let it go 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.399 and move on, you know, that's I think that's going 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.919 to be really important for us and have a bit 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.280 of fun and have a bit of fun with it. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.080 Yeah. I mean when this was first spoken about, it 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.840 was I was very skeptical, and I because basically, I mean, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.040 we'd all that enough and it's been going on for 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.080 so long and the parah was like, yes, finally finished 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.640 and then this. But it has come across really good, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.040 and I'm glad that we've done it for your sake, 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:51.600 for your mental well being too, because you were you're 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.280 holding into a lot of anger still. Now that that's 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.880 we've slorad of got it out, It's you can tell 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.480 even just talking to you, you seem a bit more 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.920 relaxed about things. And so I'm just glad that, Yeah, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.640 it's good for you, very good. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:07.520 Yes. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.399 But I think too, like Andrew said, those boxes have 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.879 been sitting there for a long time, and you've wanted 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.840 to go through them, and you would start and you 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.120 had to put it down, you put it away, you know, 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.800 And I feel like this was probably the best much 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.560 like more. I don't know. I just think it's more 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.320 cathartic that way because you can just talk through things. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:30.840 Yeah. 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.480 I just think it was a really good way to 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:33.760 do it. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:34.040 Yeah. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.280 Do you think it for it, Yeah, very much so. 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:43.600 But more than I thought, to be honest, Pat, I 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.439 I didn't realize. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.280 That there was so much kind of bottled up inside 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.600 and to be able to now that I've told it, 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.280 I don't kind of have to repeat it all the 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.280 time and tell people what was it like? 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.320 And I go and listen to the podcast That's what 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.360 it was like. But the fact that I've done. 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.680 It opens this door for me to do all these 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.360 other things I wanted to do. You know, I've always 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:15.920 wanted to go to over to England and what's the 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.400 Wallabies play England, Scotland Island and Wales. It's always been 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.520 a dream of mine. I want I want to go 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.600 to an Irish pub and I want to drink guinness, 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.879 and I want to sing, and I want to go 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.480 to those games and listen to how the English sing, 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.440