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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Would you be the premiere of New South Wales. I'd

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Speaker 2: say this because recently I'm featured in Fat Pizza as

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Speaker 2: the premiere of New South Wales.

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Speaker 3: It's not the same as being one, you do know.

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Speaker 3: Imagine you're having to front press conferences every day eleven

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Speaker 3: o'clock and deliver horrific news and be facing a barrage

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Speaker 3: of journalists' questions.

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Speaker 2: And I'd just like to say I think Gladys particular

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Speaker 2: is doing a great job with this. There's a million things.

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Speaker 2: There's so many people in hindsight and twenty twenty visions

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Speaker 2: saying well, this is what you should have done. The

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Speaker 2: thing that we don't realize, most of us don't realize

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Speaker 2: with this pandemic, no one knows what's going to happen next.

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Speaker 2: But also you can't. You can't predict the future.

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Speaker 3: No, and the delta variant is different. Melbourne went into

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Speaker 3: lockdown very quickly, and then numbers are still going upep

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Speaker 3: So even though we all wish, and I'm sure our

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Speaker 3: premier does too, that we'd gone into an earlier lockdown,

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Speaker 3: this is what it is. And I know other states

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Speaker 3: are calling this the Sydney outbreak and the blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: I think it was inevitable. It was going to lip quarantine.

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Speaker 3: If it's so contagious, it was going to cross borders.

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Speaker 3: Of course it was, and of course it will.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's looking to Israel as the big litmus test for

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Speaker 2: everything at the moment. So they've got an incredibly high

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Speaker 2: vaccination rate, the highest in the world, but then they

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Speaker 2: had they reopened up a bit. Now they're having trouble again.

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Speaker 2: So what we're learning from this, well from my little

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Speaker 2: epidemiologist hat, is that you could have vaccination, but you've

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Speaker 2: also got to have lockdown's working hand in hand.

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Speaker 3: Because and this is the new messaging. This is what

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Speaker 3: was so interesting. I think that when we first embarked

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Speaker 3: on this COVID journey, we wanted zero numbers and we

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Speaker 3: were told zero zero zero zero. And some states still

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Speaker 3: want that Western Australia. I think New Zealand's still hoping

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Speaker 3: to get to zero, though their numbers are going up.

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Speaker 3: But the reality is I'm interested to see that our

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Speaker 3: premier has been out and about and our Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: said the same. They are now on a campaign with

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Speaker 3: a different message that is, once we get enough vaccinations.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have to learn to live with this.

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Speaker 3: And that is the balance, isn't It is between enough

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Speaker 3: of us being vaccinated that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed, yep,

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Speaker 3: that you're still chances of getting it, but less likely

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Speaker 3: to die from it, less likely to be seriously ill,

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Speaker 3: and our hospitals can cope. So now forget zero. We

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Speaker 3: don't have to start opening up once we're vaccinated, but

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Speaker 3: we will have to accept people will get it.

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Speaker 2: And from the wisdom of Donald Trump, and not that

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Speaker 2: I like to quote Donald Trump, he did say at

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Speaker 2: a point there don't let coronavirus overtake your life, and

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Speaker 2: there is a real risk of that happening. You can

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Speaker 2: fetishize the numbers so much. We want the zero cases.

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Speaker 2: We don't want any corona, and no one wants this

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Speaker 2: virus to be around. But then, as Gladys quite rightly

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Speaker 2: said on our show just last week when we had

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Speaker 2: her on influenza, the flu kills a lot of people

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Speaker 2: every year.

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Speaker 1: Ironically, every year, between six and eight hundred people dieing

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Speaker 1: your stuff whilst from the flu. And we don't normally

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Speaker 1: talk about how many people get the flu. Do you

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Speaker 1: talk about how many people die from the flu and

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Speaker 1: in due course, not yet, but when we've got eighty

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Speaker 1: percent double vaccination, which is mid November, that's how we'll

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Speaker 1: be thinking about COVID and every other state's going to

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Speaker 1: have to come to terms with that because it can't

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Speaker 1: be locked up forever.

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Speaker 3: Interesting was the Virgin Australia chief executive said this a

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Speaker 3: while ago that we are going people die from the

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Speaker 3: flu and we're going to have to accept this and

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Speaker 3: she was just vilified, whereas now we're accepting this is

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Speaker 3: how it is. There are some people who are fearful

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Speaker 3: at this message about us opening up. Kids can't be

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Speaker 3: vaccinated sixteen and up. We'll have access to vaccines. But

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Speaker 3: two hundred children over the weekend in New South Wales

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Speaker 3: were diagnosed with coronavirus. We still have a huge swathe

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Speaker 3: of our population who will be vulnerable, people who have

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Speaker 3: underlying health issues, and I know that those people will

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Speaker 3: be and families are very nervous about the notion of okay,

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Speaker 3: we've got this many vaccinated, Hey, let's open up. It

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Speaker 3: still threatens a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: On the current affair last night as well, this is

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Speaker 2: what Glad has said with Tracy.

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Speaker 1: We have to confront fronted by the fact we are

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Speaker 1: going to see more cases, but what we also will

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Speaker 1: see at lower rates of hospitalization because the more people

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Speaker 1: that have vaccinated, especially those that are vulnerable, it means

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Speaker 1: the chance of you getting the disease severely is greatly

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Speaker 1: reduced if you're fully vaccinated. There isn't a single country

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Speaker 1: on the planet that's been able to live freely, open

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Speaker 1: up and not have cases.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 3: And as a society, as a nation, as a state,

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Speaker 3: we need to decide how we feel about this, because

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Speaker 3: that's the debate now.

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Speaker 2: But it comes down to you and your personal responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Do you need to go out. If you don't need

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Speaker 2: to go out, don't go out. That's pretty much it.

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Speaker 3: So it's vaccination plus lifestyle that will get us through this.

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