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Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned the latest Northern Territory Police Association

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Speaker 1: probably aren't a huge surprise. In total, there were seven

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen member responses to that survey, so that

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Speaker 1: equates to forty two point nine percent of eligible Northern

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Speaker 1: of them. Ninety point one point eight say that they've

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Speaker 1: been required to work over time in the last three months,

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Speaker 1: sixty one point twenty nine percent performed duties outside of

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this and plenty more

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Speaker 1: is the opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and so your listeners and all the

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Speaker 3: parents who've drug kids at school.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot going on this morning.

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Speaker 2: There is so much going on this morning.

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Speaker 1: And well, firstly, I will just ask you how did

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Speaker 2: Because it is very wet out there.

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Speaker 3: It was very wet, but we got a good park

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Speaker 2: It is all about the parking, isn't it. Definitely?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh gosh, yes, I drove past a different school

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, no, hats off to all the

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Speaker 2: I know it's been a.

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Speaker 1: Bit of a juggle in that wet weather. But let's

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Speaker 1: move along to these issues of the day. And I

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Speaker 1: So we have seen that ninety eight point zero four

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Speaker 1: performed duties outside of their usual work. Leah, what do

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Speaker 3: Well, it just reinforces what everyone except the labor government no,

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Speaker 3: and they have been crying out for help for years. Katie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we know police attrition.

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Speaker 3: Is through the roof and police are leaving. This report

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Speaker 3: not that complicated, Katie. What we've got is a government

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Speaker 1: The last survey saw in total one than two hundred

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that might be.

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Speaker 3: I think they're probably absolutely exasperated and exhausted. Katie.

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Speaker 1: This isn't it didn't be though that they're happy with

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Speaker 3: Oh look, I mean perhaps Nathan the President could shed

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Speaker 3: People are sick and tired of meaningless words and spin

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Speaker 3: What I'm interested is tangible policy and action and funding

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Speaker 1: So, Leah, when that report is handed down, when it's

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I have been on record for that, Katie.

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Speaker 3: The CLP are the ones who have called for this review.

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Speaker 3: We have been calling for that in Parliament since I

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Speaker 3: In the territory because we cannot have a strong economy,

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Speaker 3: So that is my first priority is to have a

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Speaker 1: Well Lea, it is no doubt that it's been a

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Speaker 3: We absolutely believe we can, Katie, and we love this

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Speaker 3: our plan has been very clear all along. The laws

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Speaker 3: violent offenders should start with a position of nomat bail.

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Speaker 3: It means young offenders should be held account for their

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Speaker 3: We've got to give police more power to deal with

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Speaker 3: We need to stop the revolving door of bail. There

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Speaker 4: Options for our courts.

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Speaker 3: And we need to be backing our police with the

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Speaker 3: One example is labor has taken spit hoods away from them,

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Speaker 3: meaning that labor would rather our police be spat on

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Speaker 3: And that's the difference between labor and the COLP.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to reintroduce them.

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Speaker 3: Vender, Absolutely absolutely, we will, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Across the board for you svenders. So for you you ugly.

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Speaker 1: You want police to be able to use split hoods

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Katie.

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Speaker 3: I've made that commitment to our police a number of times.

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Speaker 4: So there's a range of.

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Speaker 3: Measures and the list goes on and on. I won't

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Speaker 3: drag it on, but there's a number of things. And

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Speaker 3: on top of that there's cultural change. Leadership comes from

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Speaker 3: hold the police portfolio. They will know my government has

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Speaker 4: Immediately.

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Speaker 2: Lea, let's talk about you.

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Speaker 1: You touched on then mandatory sentencing for some offenses. What

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll relook at that, because of course government has

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Speaker 3: and we don't think that sends an adequate message. It

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Speaker 3: they're doable. The Parliament is there to make the laws

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Speaker 1: Lea, I've no doubt that there's going to be there

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Speaker 2: Is that the case?

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Speaker 3: So, so I think some people will think we're talking

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Speaker 3: about mandatory sentencing from you know, the nineties that was different. Well,

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Speaker 3: which is very normal. So for example, DUIs so do

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Speaker 3: you wise carry a mandatory consequence? So depending on what

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Speaker 3: and this is really important because labor out there peddling

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Speaker 3: want young people to be held accountable for their crimes

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Speaker 3: is so that we can change their life. Now, if

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Speaker 3: labor that is technically not they haven't broken the law,

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Speaker 3: they can't be held account in any forced or mandated way.

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Speaker 3: Then what you have is a young person continuing to

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Speaker 1: All right, well, look it does sound as over it

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Speaker 1: Just before we do move along though, in terms of

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Speaker 3: So weill, Like I've said, if there are infrastructure problems

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Speaker 3: that Labor have neglected, and I have no doubt there's

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Speaker 3: we'll have to address that. Now we can address that

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Speaker 3: instead of building a bigger prison, Labor have built a

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Speaker 3: shadeless shade structure over Kavanagh Street. Now there's ways to

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Speaker 3: prioritize government spending without blowing the bank, and the days

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Speaker 3: of Labour's pet projects are over. We have to be

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Speaker 3: focused on ensuring the territory has what it needs now

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Speaker 3: and for the future, and you can't have frivolous spending

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Speaker 1: The reality is, though, if we're going to build a

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Speaker 1: bigger jail, we need it pretty quickly. And when you

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Speaker 1: look at the new use, you know, the new youth

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty big promise to make, and you know

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Speaker 1: no doubt there would be it would take quite some time.

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, I think there are other alternatives, but ultimately

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Speaker 3: we've got Labor who promised the youth prison seven years

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Speaker 3: ago and it still hasn't happened. We've got some exciting

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Speaker 3: policies in that space, which we'll announce over the coming months,

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Speaker 3: but ultimately, buildings of buildings, infrastructure can be built when required.

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Speaker 3: If other assets need to be deployed, then of course

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Speaker 3: we'll look at that. But what we can't do is

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Speaker 3: unable to deal with an overflowing prison. We have to

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Speaker 3: It's not a complicated thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's move along.

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Speaker 1: We spoke yesterday, of course about you know about Paul

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Speaker 1: to recontest.

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Speaker 2: At the election. How is the pre selection going for

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Speaker 3: Well, very good. So I think our applications are open

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Speaker 3: until Friday. So if anyone is keen to run for

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Speaker 2: Have you had many people come forward though?

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Speaker 4: I believe so.

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Speaker 3: I'm not privy to that information because it's confidential, but

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Speaker 3: passionate Territorians who can't stand seeing what Labour's done to

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Speaker 4: And so we need good people.

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Speaker 3: Working hard, connecting with their communities and showing people that

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Speaker 4: As we approach August, Leah, we.

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Speaker 1: Know that alcohol changes once again. Well some of those

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Speaker 1: changes were reverted back yesterday. The time changed back with

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: There's also going to be those changes enabling bottle shop

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Speaker 2: Is this a good move?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it shows just how chaotic things are

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Speaker 3: within labor. We had this swift change under Natash of Files.

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Speaker 3: Now we have a new Chief Minister and there's a

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Speaker 3: different way forward. We think it's good that the times

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Speaker 3: lot more you know, have a lot more interrogation of

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Speaker 3: people who are purchasing alcohol, which of course can lead

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 4: I hope that's not the case.

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Speaker 3: But again, the government, after the tragic death of Declan Lavity,

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Speaker 3: bottle shop workers security, and of course we've barely seen

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Speaker 3: any of their commitments actually transpire for the betterment and

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Speaker 3: safety of our community. So time will tell, Katie. But obtenally,

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Speaker 3: this government is just lurching from our idea to idea,

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Speaker 3: desperately trying to deal with this issue when the COLP

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Speaker 3: treating the source of these problems, which is alcohol addiction,

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Speaker 1: Leah a very quick one. The Chief Minister yesterday announced

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Speaker 1: Environmental Defender's Office following on from the following on from

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Speaker 1: that decision for the Santos Borosa gas pipeline. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that's a good thing? Should they continue to get funding?

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Speaker 3: This is well overdue and I think the damage and

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Speaker 3: destruction to the growth of our economy that this matter

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Speaker 3: has caused just shows how hands off labor are when

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Speaker 3: it comes to fighting for the territory. And so there

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Speaker 3: should be a review into funding of that office, which

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Speaker 3: has seen enormous expense and delays to a critical project.

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Speaker 3: Of national significance that could happen here in the territory.

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton Federally, Peter Dutton has said that he will

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Speaker 1: Coalition wins the next election.

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Speaker 2: Would you do the same in the territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you can understand where he's coming from.

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Speaker 3: There will certainly take a look at it, Katie, because

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Speaker 3: we just cannot have people destroying economic opportunities simply because

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Speaker 4: And I think the court's ruling on this.

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Speaker 3: Was correct and some very scathing remarks from the judge

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Speaker 3: Lea Finocchiaro.

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Speaker 1: We better leave it there. Good to have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Great to be back.

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Speaker 3: Big here ahead, looking forward to it. Take care on

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Speaker 3: our wet roads everyone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,