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Speaker 1: As we heard on the show yesterday, Professor Scott Bowman

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Speaker 1: is gone as the vice chancellor of Charles Darwin University.

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Speaker 2: That statement was.

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Speaker 1: Released early yesterday, with the institution saying the move is

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Speaker 1: in the best interest for CDU, enabling it to work

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Speaker 1: through the current challenges facing it and to fulfill its

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Speaker 1: responsibility to students, staff and the Northern Territory. Now it

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Speaker 1: obviously follows the concerns that had been mounting when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the situation with failed apprenticeship qualifications. Joining us

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Speaker 1: on the line to talk about this and plenty more

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Speaker 1: is the opposition leader, Selena Ubo.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show now, Selena, what

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Speaker 1: was your reaction to learning that Professor Scott Bowman would

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Speaker 1: be stepping down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, I think quite disappointed is the best way

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Speaker 3: to describe it. I understand what's happened, of course with

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Speaker 3: the apprentices and the bungle recently uncovered about CDU, But

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Speaker 3: I think in terms of Scott Bowen's leadership at the university,

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Speaker 3: he's been quite strong and I think mostly around the

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Speaker 3: And being a university that really is for the Northern Territory, So,

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Speaker 3: you know, disappointed that leadership unfortunately it hasn't worked out,

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Speaker 3: but do understand that there's been you know, some pressure

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Speaker 1: I know the university has announced in independent reviews going

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Speaker 1: chancellor that it could take about a month. Is that

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Speaker 3: I think a review or an inquiry is absolutely the

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Speaker 3: way to move forward because if there have been those

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Speaker 3: make sure that they don't happen again with our largest,

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Speaker 3: Dale University. So I think they need to do things thoroughly.

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Speaker 3: I think they need that time to get the right

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Speaker 1: Again, Selena, have you had much feedback from your electorate

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Speaker 1: whether many of the apprentices there have sort of been

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Speaker 3: I don't know, not necessarily my electorate of Ardam. Katie

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Speaker 3: These are stories that have affected people, friends and family,

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, we've spoken with the HIA. We also spoke to

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Speaker 3: Now? I think I spoke with Master Builders last week

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Speaker 3: But also making sure that we do see that timely process,

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to be catching up with

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Speaker 2: Selena, I want to ask.

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Speaker 1: We know the new administrators set to be sworn in

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister was scathing on the show yesterday, saying

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Speaker 2: She labeled it woke.

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Speaker 1: Culture and said that no one can ever make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Here is a bit of what she had to say

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Speaker 4: It's about choosing someone you think that represents the best

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Speaker 4: interests of the territory. The cancer culture is so toxic, Katie.

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Speaker 4: People can make mistakes, people can have personal views. Not

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe that the opposition leader is degrading herself

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Speaker 1: Level, Selena, are you degrading yourself to the level of

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Speaker 3: I think the mistake is Leah Fanocchiario is showing she

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Speaker 3: because it's not enough. So if I've got people strangers

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Speaker 3: is is Leofanochiiro. This is her decision. For some reason,

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Speaker 3: rather than unity. The Administrator of the Northern Territory, We've

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Speaker 1: Selena, I've got to tell you, I've been copying a

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Speaker 1: come on, Wilfe like, move on. You know this is

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Speaker 1: not as big an issue as what you're making it.

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Speaker 2: What for you?

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Speaker 1: What were some of those tweets that you know that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the fact the decision has been

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Speaker 3: to answer what the set process is for the administrative appointment,

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Speaker 3: what the vetting process is. You know, we're going through

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Speaker 3: a by election, we have a vetting process for candidates.

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Speaker 3: We have one as Labor CLP has one. I assume

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Speaker 3: Most people who apply for a job go through a

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Speaker 3: on Northern Territory law. As Katie on behalf of Territorians

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Speaker 3: who has not gone through a thorough and robust vetting process.

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Speaker 3: She can't even answer that, So why should we then this?

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Speaker 3: Let her then control a narrative that doesn't support the

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Speaker 1: Surely you would know that process. But surely you would

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I haven't been a chief minister deciding on administrator.

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Speaker 3: So we've asked that question, has this process changed? Did

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Speaker 3: and I under people do want to move forward. That's fine.

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Speaker 3: I completely understand the frustrations there, Katie, and I acknowledge that.

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Speaker 3: But if I've got people each morning or afternoon coming

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Speaker 3: not doing my job, Katie as the opposition leader in

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Speaker 3: not raising this as an issue of concern that territories

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Speaker 1: Selena, taking that into account and taking into account what

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Speaker 3: No, we had an invitation come through.

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Speaker 1: That's the claim that she'd made this morning on the ABC,

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Speaker 3: That I asked for an invitation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you're I'm assuming you or your office had

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, Katie. I understand that you know member's apartment.

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Speaker 3: I would expect that all twenty five members of Parliament

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Speaker 3: My understanding is that twenty five members of the Legislative

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Speaker 2: You're not going to know what.

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Speaker 3: The Chief Minister's processes are.

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Speaker 1: But you're not going to be You're not going to

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Speaker 1: you know, the meeting or the protest that's being held

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Speaker 3: on behalf of our team, Katie, to hear those concerns again,

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Speaker 3: the ones that have been raised by us on behalf

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go this morning, I do want

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Speaker 1: to ask you that these new ppsos they commenced training

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Speaker 1: Minister for Police, Leofanocchiaro reckons the COLP government's laid the

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Speaker 1: ground work, I should say, last year for the biggest

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Speaker 1: reform to policing in a generation, it's a big call.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to make a difference.

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, I hope that they've sorted out the pay

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Speaker 3: and salary entitlements for those offices because they do have

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Speaker 3: a condensed training program compared to a constable, a police constable.

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Speaker 3: The time has been expediated, etc. The changes. To excuse me,

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Speaker 3: I should say, the outlining of the responsibilities of those

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Speaker 3: ppsos that are being rolled out, I think will be

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Speaker 3: very important to understand what their roles and responsibilities and

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Speaker 3: their legal accountabilities for the work that they do. I

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Speaker 3: think it's really important that the community understands that last

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Speaker 3: year we had no clarity around that. We've even met

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Speaker 3: with the Anti Police Association several times to understand what

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Speaker 3: that would mean for those workers, for those officers what

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Speaker 3: impact that will have in the community, and as late

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Speaker 3: last year, there was no clarity around that. I really

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Speaker 3: hope that there's been a lot of work done in

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Speaker 3: between so that those officers know what their entitlements are,

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Speaker 3: know what their salary is going to be, know what

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Speaker 3: their responsibility and their duties will be having had a

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Speaker 3: shorter training session to be able to then go out

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Speaker 3: into the community and to serve. So that's one of

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Speaker 3: our big areas and making sure that we have some

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Speaker 3: answers around those questions. And you know, good luck to

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Speaker 3: the recruits who are taking on that journey and wanting

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Speaker 3: to serve in the community. I think that's really positive,

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Speaker 3: but we want to make sure that they're also looked

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Speaker 3: after and that they're not then becoming a second class

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Speaker 3: comes toy in the police force.

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Speaker 1: Well, Selena Hubo, actually really quick messages just come through

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Speaker 1: from a listener that I'll ask they have questioned. They say, well,

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Speaker 1: they reckon that there was yesterday buses running that labored

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Speaker 1: organized into public housing, collecting people and taking them to

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Speaker 1: vote at the.

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Speaker 2: Old Bowling Alley as part of the by election. Do

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Speaker 2: you know if that's happening.

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Speaker 5: I think that Yeah, there's been some transport assisting with

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Speaker 5: people to make sure they go. We have elderly people,

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Speaker 5: we have people with accessibility and mobility issues to get

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Speaker 5: to vote. So your door knocking and going out and

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Speaker 5: seeing if people need a hand to get to the

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Speaker 5: voting center, there's nothing wrong with that. I think everyone

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Speaker 5: has the importance of being able to exercise the democratic

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Speaker 5: right and being able to get to the boot.

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Speaker 2: Some people, I think that's a bit dodgy.

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Speaker 1: Some people might be listening this morning going hang on,

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Speaker 1: is labor going and picking people up to send them

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Speaker 1: to vote.

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Speaker 2: Some people would say.

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Speaker 3: That's a bit dodgy, that the vote is secret when

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Speaker 3: people go into the voting about no one's allowed in.

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Speaker 3: No one with a red shirt, no with an orange shirt,

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Speaker 3: noel with a green shirt, noll with an independent shirt

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Speaker 3: is allowed to accompany anybody into the voting booth. So

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Speaker 3: people wright is still protected with a secret ballot. That's

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Speaker 3: a democratic right in this country which I absolutely uphold.

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Speaker 2: Is the labor.

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Speaker 1: Person driving the bus, like, is it a labor person

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Speaker 1: though driving the bus in a labor shirt.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd have to get you an answer on that one, Katie. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: without notice, No.

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Speaker 1: That's all right, Selena. You bo I always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for speaking with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Katie, thank you