1
00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,040
Speaker 1: Three point sixty with Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening to

2
00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: Mix one O four point nine one hundred.

3
00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,200
Speaker 2: We're certainly reading on the social media this morning that

4
00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 2: that well Parjama in Alice Springs, it's looking as though

5
00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,760
Speaker 2: they are the organizers have scrapped all live performance events

6
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,640
Speaker 2: in Alice Springs Todd Mall at this year's event because

7
00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,239
Speaker 2: of safety concerns. Now joining me on the line to

8
00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,439
Speaker 2: talk about this and the other issues that they've got

9
00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200
Speaker 2: in Alice at the moment, the member for our Lun,

10
00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,639
Speaker 2: the independent member for Our Lun, Robin Lambley, Good morning, Robin.

11
00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Good morning Katie Robin.

12
00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,120
Speaker 2: Have you heard much about much detail about the Pachuma

13
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,080
Speaker 2: live events being canceled?

14
00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,199
Speaker 3: No, just pretty much what you said then. But this

15
00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,280
Speaker 3: happened last year when they ran it late in the year.

16
00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,160
Speaker 3: The a lot of the events and activities that were

17
00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,280
Speaker 3: planned for the Todd Moore were canceled because of any

18
00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,400
Speaker 3: social behalf. So I don't think this is going to

19
00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,679
Speaker 3: come as a huge surprise. But howpathetic is it really

20
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,399
Speaker 3: that we can't even use our beautiful Todd More for

21
00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,560
Speaker 3: this sort of purpose.

22
00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,160
Speaker 2: Well, it goes to the rush, it goes to the

23
00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,040
Speaker 2: heart of the issues that you're having in Central Australia

24
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,280
Speaker 2: at the moment. You know, it's a pretty dire situation

25
00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,399
Speaker 2: when you're having to cancel live events and we are

26
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 2: hoping to get some further detail from NT major events,

27
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,160
Speaker 2: so we'll move further into some of the other issues

28
00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,360
Speaker 2: that you've been experiencing in Alice Robin.

29
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,120
Speaker 1: How were things over the weekend?

30
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,240
Speaker 3: Look, I met with the Assistant Commissioner first thing yesterday

31
00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,680
Speaker 3: morning and she said it was a reasonably quiet weekend

32
00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,160
Speaker 3: compared to others, and it probably felt like that to

33
00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,320
Speaker 3: some extent. But there's still a lot going on, and

34
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, I suspect that a lot of people aren't

35
00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 3: reporting things to the police, and you know, like called

36
00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,559
Speaker 3: public servants, the police in the upper echelons are kind

37
00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,440
Speaker 3: of paid to minimize things to some extent. I know

38
00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,680
Speaker 3: that there are good stories to be told, but people

39
00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,400
Speaker 3: down here are still feeling embattled. I mean, you know,

40
00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,480
Speaker 3: this morning I came to work to a smash window. Well,

41
00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 3: you know things. Unfortunately, that's pretty small fry and that's

42
00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,520
Speaker 3: where we've gotten. I think it's probably the same in

43
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,760
Speaker 3: lots of other parts of the territory. Now you know,

44
00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,400
Speaker 3: you just you know, coming to work to a smash

45
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,880
Speaker 3: window really isn't a big deal. And that's pathetic too, really, Katie.

46
00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,359
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, that's exactly right.

47
00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,080
Speaker 2: You know, to sort of turn a blind eye to

48
00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,640
Speaker 2: a broken window when you consider the cost, in the

49
00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 2: inconvenience and the absolute waste that it is, you know,

50
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,639
Speaker 2: it's a pretty ordinary situation to be in. Robin, did

51
00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,280
Speaker 2: you meet with Chancey Paike, yourself and the COLP opposition

52
00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,720
Speaker 2: and how did that meeting goe?

53
00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120
Speaker 3: So, a few weeks ago, Josh Berkele and the Member

54
00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,400
Speaker 3: for Braitling Billy and the Member for Amajeira and myself

55
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,160
Speaker 3: decided to join forces a unite on the topic of crime,

56
00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,560
Speaker 3: and we had a meeting with Chancey Paik, who's the

57
00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,480
Speaker 3: Minister to Central Australia on Friday. And look, it was

58
00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,080
Speaker 3: I've been all weekend trying to work out in my

59
00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,320
Speaker 3: mind how to couch it, because you know, you run

60
00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,960
Speaker 3: the risk of sounding overly positive or overly negative when

61
00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,840
Speaker 3: it comes to these sorts of things. And I certainly

62
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,079
Speaker 3: could have sat in either of those camps. But look,

63
00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,320
Speaker 3: it was a good discussion and out of it where

64
00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,400
Speaker 3: a chance he's opening the doors for us to meet

65
00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,800
Speaker 3: with other ministers and other stakeholders that we might not

66
00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,960
Speaker 3: normally get to speak to in such a short time frame,

67
00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,640
Speaker 3: So that's good. It's very difficult to land on things

68
00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,240
Speaker 3: that we all agree on, yeah, which probably isn't surprising,

69
00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,000
Speaker 3: but we all do agree that the town is really

70
00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,040
Speaker 3: suffering at the moment. So there's good intention, but what

71
00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,280
Speaker 3: actually comes out of it remains to be seen.

72
00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, Robin, I hate.

73
00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,120
Speaker 3: The people of I think the people of Alice Springs

74
00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,119
Speaker 3: expect us all to get together and work it out.

75
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,640
Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing. Yeah, And I think that's

76
00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,120
Speaker 3: a really positive step forward.

77
00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,920
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree, rob And I did speak

78
00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,600
Speaker 2: to the Chief Minister yesterday and asked him why he

79
00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,560
Speaker 2: hadn't met with the people of Alice Springs.

80
00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:24,720
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he said.

81
00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,120
Speaker 2: For the people of Alice Springs, though they feel as

82
00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640
Speaker 2: though they're in crisis, don't you think that you should

83
00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,919
Speaker 2: sit down with those community members and actually hear what

84
00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,960
Speaker 2: they've got to say.

85
00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,800
Speaker 1: And I do that all the time, and I'm happy

86
00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,080
Speaker 1: to do that next time in Alice as well.

87
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,440
Speaker 3: So that's a regular thing I do in Alice usually

88
00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,279
Speaker 3: go out to patrol with the police or territory family

89
00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,800
Speaker 3: workers at different times of night and see what's going on.

90
00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Robin, do you feel as though the chief Minister is

91
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,000
Speaker 2: hearing what community in Alice Springs are saying.

92
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,960
Speaker 3: No, not at all, And he just described quite well

93
00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,239
Speaker 3: what he does. I mean, he wasn't dishonest. He hangs

94
00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,240
Speaker 3: out with public servants, of which he is pretty much

95
00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,680
Speaker 3: their boss, and they tell him probably what he wants

96
00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,479
Speaker 3: to hear. I mean, the classic thing. Every time he

97
00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,359
Speaker 3: comes to town, there's this perception that the town is

98
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,719
Speaker 3: cleaned up to some extent, everything's made to look as

99
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,960
Speaker 3: glowingly good as possible. Who he doesn't speak to is

100
00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,279
Speaker 3: the average person who disagrees with him. And that's where

101
00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000
Speaker 3: he needs to come to the party and have some

102
00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,520
Speaker 3: frank conversations with people who aren't on his payroll, who

103
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,360
Speaker 3: don't have to curtail and blow in up his whatever,

104
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,760
Speaker 3: and here's some honest truths about how difficult it is

105
00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,440
Speaker 3: in town and what needs to be done. And this

106
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,839
Speaker 3: is the problem with this government. They don't really want

107
00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,560
Speaker 3: to listen to any other narrative or solution apart from

108
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,520
Speaker 3: what they've landed on.

109
00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,479
Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say, Robin, I reckon.

110
00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,240
Speaker 2: The thing that's putting him in between a bit of

111
00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 2: a rock and a hard place at the moment is

112
00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,239
Speaker 2: the fact that there's the Queensland Labor government right now

113
00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,080
Speaker 2: having to make some really serious changes when it comes

114
00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,120
Speaker 2: to the way that they deal with youth offenders. Today

115
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,359
Speaker 2: in Queensland, they're going to be announcing that they'll be

116
00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,799
Speaker 2: strapping GPS trackers to those young offenders, and also bail

117
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,880
Speaker 2: laws are going to be tightened by the Queensland government

118
00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,920
Speaker 2: in a crackdown on recidivus teenage criminals. The Queensland Premier

119
00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 2: Anastasia Palichet today is expected to announce the new youth

120
00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,240
Speaker 2: justice reforms will target the toughest ten percent of repeat

121
00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,520
Speaker 2: juvenile law breakers after that horror spate of deaths linked

122
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,440
Speaker 2: to young alleged car thieves. In addition to that, they've

123
00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,640
Speaker 2: got the head of the state's anti terror unit being

124
00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,720
Speaker 2: chosen as the solution to Townsville's youth crime crisis. She's

125
00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,920
Speaker 2: going to be heading up that brand new task force. Robin,

126
00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,320
Speaker 2: is this exactly what should be happening in the territory.

127
00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,440
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it's exactly what we should

128
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,280
Speaker 3: be doing. But I've been watching this very closely, and

129
00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,840
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people come over from Townsville

130
00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,599
Speaker 3: and say Townsvill's worse than Alice Springs. Can you believe

131
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,040
Speaker 3: that this has sort of been on my radar for

132
00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,880
Speaker 3: some time? But look the fact that they're take they're

133
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,240
Speaker 3: willing to look outside the circle to consider things that

134
00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,120
Speaker 3: they said no to two years ago. This GBS tracker

135
00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560
Speaker 3: idea came up two years ago apparently, and now they're

136
00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,240
Speaker 3: putting it back on the table and reconsidering it. I

137
00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,400
Speaker 3: think that the Gunner government needs to take a page

138
00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,320
Speaker 3: out of Palichet's book and look at how she's reconsidering

139
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,920
Speaker 3: options that they vetoed some time ago, because I think

140
00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,880
Speaker 3: Gunner has put himself into a corner on this. He's

141
00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 3: saying that he's not going to revisit the bar legislation,

142
00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,480
Speaker 3: He's not going to do this, that and the other. Well,

143
00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,240
Speaker 3: you know, in times of crisis, sometimes you've got to

144
00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,119
Speaker 3: say we'll hold on a minute, maybe we would go back,

145
00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,480
Speaker 3: you know, suck it up a bit.

146
00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.

147
00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,920
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we've reached a point where

148
00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,400
Speaker 2: everything should be on the table. And look, yesterday in

149
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,760
Speaker 2: my discussion with him, I will say that there did

150
00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400
Speaker 2: seem to be a bit of a change of approach.

151
00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,240
Speaker 2: He sounded as though he was certainly more open to

152
00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,600
Speaker 2: some change. But Robin, how are you going to play

153
00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,280
Speaker 2: it next week? We know that obviously Parliament is sitting.

154
00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,040
Speaker 2: Is there going to be something that you'll be introducing?

155
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,280
Speaker 2: Are you sort of going to you know, to try

156
00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,280
Speaker 2: and focus on this more in parliament to ensure that

157
00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 2: really the voices of those that live in Oura Springs

158
00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,440
Speaker 2: are really heard.

159
00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,200
Speaker 3: Well, I'll do my best, But one thing that's come

160
00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,800
Speaker 3: about in this term of Parliament is that I've been

161
00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,120
Speaker 3: advised that I only get to ask one question per

162
00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:44,120
Speaker 3: parliamentary sitting week. Now, democracy for me is diminishing. They

163
00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,720
Speaker 3: really have made a concerted effort to try to clip

164
00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,560
Speaker 3: my wings. But I do have a motion on Wednesday afternoon,

165
00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,240
Speaker 3: a general business motion which is about youth crime. So

166
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,280
Speaker 3: that will be my opportunity on Wednesday next Wednesday afternoon

167
00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,440
Speaker 3: to talk a lot about this issue that we're experiencing

168
00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,840
Speaker 3: in Alice Springs, and it will be an opportunity for

169
00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,239
Speaker 3: other non government members to participate. In that debate and discussion.

170
00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,840
Speaker 3: They really don't want us to participate in Parliament in

171
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,800
Speaker 3: a meaningful way at all anymore. They really tighten things

172
00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:23,400
Speaker 3: up with the abolishment of the Scrutiny Committee and other

173
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,520
Speaker 3: mechanisms and me given one lazy question a week. You know, hello,

174
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,080
Speaker 3: that's not right, well, Robin, we would not democratic.

175
00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 2: Well, Robin, we would never do that to you here

176
00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,880
Speaker 2: on Mix one O four nine. If you are, if

177
00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,040
Speaker 2: you're in town next Friday, let us know we'd love

178
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:39,720
Speaker 2: to have you back.

179
00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,320
Speaker 1: On the week that was. Whenever you're here, book me

180
00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,120
Speaker 1: in going on you Robin, thank you. We'll leave it

181
00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:45,960
Speaker 1: there for today.

182
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,240
Speaker 2: That is Robin Lamley, of course, the Member for Ara

183
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 2: Leuwin and hearing more about the issues that they've got

184
00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,280
Speaker 2: in Alice at the moment when it comes to crime,