1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily this is 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: the Dailias. Oh now it makes sense. Good morning and 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: welcome to the Dahlias. It's Monday, the eleventh of March. 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm Sam, I'm Zara. Last week, a twenty two year 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: old man was arrested for the murder of Ballarat woman 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Samantha Murphy, who has been missing since the fourth of February. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Police have charged a man with murder over the disappearance 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: of missing Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: The adrenaline with everything in that cupitigan is that's trying. 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: To be right for everybody. 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: That's something you wouldn't want anyone experienced. Patrick Orn Stephenson 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: has been named as the man accused of the murder. 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: We now know his name, but his identity was initially 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: kept secret under a suppression order. So what are suppression 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: orders and what do we know about the ledged murder 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: of Samantha Murphy Zara. We're going to get to all 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: of that in today's deep dive. 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: But first Sam, what's making headlines. 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: A US military ship has left the state of Virginia 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: headed to Gaza to build a temporary peer that will 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: accelerate the delivery of aid to Palestinian civilians. The initiative 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: was announced by US President Joe Biden as part of 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: his State of the Union address on Friday. In it, 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: he said a temporary peer will enable a massive increase 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: in the amount of humanitarian assistance getting into Gaza every day. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: Aerial surveys of the Great Barrier Reef have revealed it 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: is experiencing another widespread coral bleaching event. This is when 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: water temperatures cause coral to eject algae, a sign of 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: heat stress, which leads to coral turning white. Bleached coral 30 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: is more at risk of starvation and disease, which can 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: lead to entire reefs and ecosystems dying. The reef authorities 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: chief scientist said the latest bleaching event on the Great 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: Barrier Reef reflects quote above average sea surface temperatures. 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: An extreme heat wave will continue across areas of Victoria 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: and South Australia, with some areas seeing temperatures well above 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: forty degrees. Temperatures are expected to be so hot in 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Melbourne that Melbourne City Council has canceled the city's iconic 38 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Moonbar Festival, which was due to celebrate its seventieth year. Today. 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: There should be a bit of relief on the way 40 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: towards the middle of the week, but for now, authorities 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: are warning all residents to ensure they watch for signs 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: of heatstroke and avoid excess time outside. 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: And the good news, four children born with HIV have 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: tested virus free more than a year after they paused medication. 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: That's according to the results of an ongoing study. HIV 46 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: treatment was given to the children within the first forty 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: eight hours after birth. Four out of a group of 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: six children were eventually deemed This means that they had undetectable, 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: non transmissible levels of the virus for at least forty 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: eight weeks. One of the lead researchers on the studies said, quote, 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: the promising signals from this study are a beacon for 52 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: future HIV remission science. So, Sam, last week there was 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: a development in the case of the missing Victorian woman 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: Samantha Murphy, who has been missing, as you said, since 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: the fourth of feb What actually happened, So. 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: This case has had a lot of media attention in 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: the last kind of month or so. So Samantha Murphy 58 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: was a mother of three, and she was fifty one 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: years old, and like you said she's been missing since 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: the fourth of February and she basically vanished without a trace. 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Here's what we do know. We do know that she 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: was last seen when she left her home to go 63 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: for a run in Ballarat, which is a city west 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: of Melbourne. And for about a month we had very 65 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: little information about what exactly happened to Samantha. And then 66 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: last week Victorian Police made this announcement. 67 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: Detectives from the missing person squad yesday morning at six 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: am arrested a twenty two year old Scottspurn man. They 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: arrested him at his home address and took him into custody. 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: The man was interviewed over a number of hours. A 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: number of search warrants have been executed as a result 72 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: of those investigations. He has today been charged with the 73 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: murder of Samantha. We will be alleging that murder occurred 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: at Mount Clear on the day she disappeared. 75 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: So police announced that a twenty two year old man 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: had been arrested for the murder of Samantha Murphy. 77 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: And when police made that announcement, they didn't tell us 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: who they had actually charged, which is quite rare. 79 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And that is a suppression order. 80 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay, And so there was lots of discussion online about 81 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: why the system allows things like this to happen, spression 82 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 2: orders where the identity of someone accused of a crime 83 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: like murder can actually be protected. I do think that 84 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: this is an interesting feature of our legal system and 85 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: something that obviously interacts with media. Can you just. 86 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: Explain, yes, So there's been quite a few cases where 87 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: suppression orders have been really controversial in Australia. So I 88 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: think the first thing to say is you need to 89 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: understand that Australia's judicial system is based on the principle 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: of open justice. What's that? And that basically means court 91 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: proceedings are normally available for the public to see. I 92 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: used to go to court for a law assignment while 93 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: I was studying a university. You can walk in and we've. 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: Watched cases on YouTube. They are fairly accessible. 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the whole idea behind that is the public 96 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: should know what's going on in the court system. But 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: suppression orders, which are also sometimes called gag orders, are 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: introduced in special circumstances if there is a need to 99 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: actually restrict what is made public. 100 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: So we have an open court justice system. With this 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: basic understanding that what happens in courts should be public, 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: but then suppression orders on the flip side can force 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: people to keep things a secret if required. Why would 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: there be a need to keep some things private, like 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: the name of an alleged murderer. 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: So the judge could have a range of reasons why 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: they think the name needs to be sealed from the public, 108 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: and it can be for things like the names of 109 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: alleged victims and perpetrators in particularly sensitive cases, locations where 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: people live. It could be any detail really of a case. 111 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: So it's not always the name that we're talking about though, 112 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: of for example, the alleged perpetrator. 113 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: It often is I mean, in reality, it often is 114 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the name, but it can also include any other identifying factors. 115 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: I've seen some cases where suppression orders have been placed 116 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: upon the name of a school, of a family member, 117 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: of somebody involved. And more specifically, there could be instances 118 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: where alleged victims of crime want to stop their name 119 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: from being revealed, and that's because of the undeniable stress 120 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: of being in the public eye. Okay, the judge might 121 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: also decide that an alleged offender's safety is at risk 122 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: including for mental health reasons. It could also be deemed 123 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: necessary in high profile cases. So when there's heaps of 124 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: media attention around a certain trial, if there's a risk 125 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: that a person's right to a fair trial could actually 126 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: be undermined by the publishing of details by the media. 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: But what happens if the media doesn't abide by that? 128 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's this rule that we all know 129 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: as journalists that we have to abide by. Well, what 130 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: happens if. 131 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: You don't, Well, there's big fines that publishers might have 132 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: to pay. You could be fined more than five hundred 133 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Those finds are decided state by state, so 134 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: there's no consistent rule across the country, but it's a 135 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of money. 136 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: Whenever I think about suppression orders, the case that I 137 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: often come back to is of Cardinal George pell because 138 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: there was a suppression order that forbid the media from 139 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: saying his name in a case several years ago, and 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: then media got in trouble, which is a really interesting 141 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: big yeah, when some did use his name. 142 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Exactly, and those two factors that the fact that such 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: a high profile individual had their name suppressed for so long, 144 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: but also then that media got in trouble for trying 145 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: to see how far they could push it. Makes this 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: a really interesting example. So for those who don't remember, 147 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, a judge made a controversial decision to 148 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: stop media publishing any details of the trial of George Pell, 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: so kind of a blanket ban, who at that time 150 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: was Australia's most high profile Catholic figure, and he was 151 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: accused of sexually abusing two boys. Now, many media outlets 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: tried really creative ways of getting around the suppression order. 153 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: They did things like identified him as the most high 154 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: profile Catholic figure, they would allude to things that he'd 155 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: done in the past, and ultimately they've got in a 156 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: lot of trouble for it, and fourteen Australian publications collectively 157 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: paid more than a million dollars for their reporting on 158 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the case. Now, Pelle was found guilty in that case, 159 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: but the verdict was then overturned on appeal two years. 160 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: Later, and that was obviously a massive moment, huge moment. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: But I want to go back to right now where 162 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: there was a suppression order in the case of the 163 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: alleged murder of Samantha Murphy. Why was there this suppression order. 164 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: In this case, we're not talking about someone as high 165 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: profile as George Peller. 166 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: It's slightly different. Yeah, So, when this man was charged, 167 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: his lawyers successfully sought a suppression order, so they applied 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: to the court to have his name suppressed due to 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: concerns for the alleged perpetrators' mental health and the risk 170 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: of limiting the fairness of the trial. To tease out 171 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: that fairness of the trial a bit more. That basically 172 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: means that if it's a jury trial, they can't run 173 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: the risk that somebody has read media reports with that 174 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: person's name, if the court deems that could put out 175 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: risk the idea of having a fair jury. And all 176 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: of that meant that the media couldn't actually publish his name, including. 177 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: Us, And it meant that when we did publish stories 178 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: around this, we turned off the comments because people would 179 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: have felt inclined to comment his name. And then all 180 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you end up in a situation where 181 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: the media is inavertently you're publishing his name exactly. 182 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: But then, and this is very common when suppression orders 183 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: are placed in high profile cases. A group of media 184 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: outlets made a legal argument against the order and they. 185 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: Saying they should be allowed to publish. 186 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: His name exactly. And the point they were arguing to 187 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: the court was that their reporting was not going to 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: influence the trial. Rather, they just wanted to tell their 189 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: readers or viewers exactly what was happening. 190 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: Mm hm, And so what happened. 191 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: So on Friday last week, lawyers for the alleged murderer 192 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: actually dropped the suppression order request themselves, meaning media could 193 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: reveal that the man accused of murder is twenty two 194 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: year old Victorian man Patrick Orn Stephenson. And there's been 195 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: a lot of commentary about how media are reporting this 196 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: next part of information, But a lot of media reports 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: follow up by saying that he's the son of former 198 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: AFL player Arren Stevenson. 199 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: And so what do we know about the alleged perpetrator 200 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: other than I guess what his dad did for a job. 201 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of almost as much as we 202 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: do know. We don't know a lot about this man. 203 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: We do know that he's from the Ballarat area. We 204 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know how he was connected to Samantha Murphy. Police 205 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: have said though that they believed this was quote a 206 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: deliberate attack. 207 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: You said there that his legal team actually dropped the 208 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: case for a suppression order. 209 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, his legal team withdrew the request. 210 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: Why would they do that? 211 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: So as lawyers spoke in court on Friday, and according 212 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: to the ABC, one of his lawyers said, the current 213 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: media storm has now become inclusive of the family of 214 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: the accused and the defense intention to assist. So their 215 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: application to have that suppression order has only become far 216 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: more destructive as a mechanism to the client. 217 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: Right, because everyone was focusing on that suppression order and 218 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: who it was about, it. 219 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Became a bit of a kind of guessing game of 220 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: who this person was. And the lawyer also kind of 221 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: criticized how much attention, as you said, the suppression order 222 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: itself was receiving. Stevenson has also not entered a plea deal, 223 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: meaning we don't know if he will plead guilty or 224 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: not guilty, so basically can't give him any answers. But 225 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: this will be a developing story. 226 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: Sam. I think it's interesting to understand how suppression orders 227 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: work because it's something that we have to abide by 228 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: in media, and you know, I often see comments on 229 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: other posts that were we do asking why, for example, 230 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: we've turned off comments or asking why we've made a 231 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: certain decision not to name an alleged perpetrator. So I 232 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: think this idea of media literacy is really important and 233 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: is something that we will continue to try and do 234 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: here at the Daily Ods. 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