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Speaker 2: That is so fat thank you. I can remember when
Speaker 2: we've just signed the contracts and I've said, look, I'm
Speaker 2: really worried because I've just watched all this the last season.
Speaker 2: There isn't going to be It's not gonna be like
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: Is that there's not going to be all.
Speaker 2: That, And like executive producers like no, no, no, we
Speaker 2: found someone. He's like, you're gonna love him. I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 2: I believe U.
Speaker 3: You don't know what.
Speaker 2: You're going to do in a particular situation. I can
Speaker 2: remember sitting there like three or four weeks in and
Speaker 2: thinking I can't do this, and like you know and
Speaker 2: that you think, why did they cheat in the last seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know why they cheated because they're bought. I went
Speaker 2: through phases where I wanted to get out of the exprement,
Speaker 2: and there's no one you can talk to. You can't
Speaker 2: talk to the psyche because they're just telling the producers,
Speaker 2: and you can't talk to anyone.
Speaker 1: On today's Under the Influence episode, we're joined by the
Speaker 1: amazing Michelle from Married at First Sight. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much Michelle for joining us.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Basually, i'd love to find out what you've been doing
Speaker 1: since Maths, and I suppose how you're coping during isolation.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of a continuation of Maths isolation, isn't it,
Speaker 2: because it's almost like we did the three and a
Speaker 2: half months in maths and then now we're doing COVID isolation.
Speaker 2: I had a few weeks where I could do stuff,
Speaker 2: and I had a Christmas holiday, which was awesome, but
Speaker 2: working from home. So I was firstly educated as a naturopath,
Speaker 2: so that's my first profession. And then I went back
Speaker 2: to UNI and started education and I did secondary education,
Speaker 2: so science, maths, English, and then I thought I'd go
Speaker 2: back and study literacy and numacy, and then I went
Speaker 2: back and did a postgrade in English as a second language,
Speaker 2: so yeah. Now, because I have been medically retired from
Speaker 2: Queensland Education, I'm working with the police.
Speaker 1: Well, and can you tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: why you were medically retired because you mentioned before that
Speaker 1: you get asked so many questions about your voice, and
Speaker 1: so this is my answer some people's questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So about eight or nine years ago, I was
Speaker 2: teaching class and my students kept laughing at me. They
Speaker 2: were saying, oh, you sound like comit the frog, miss,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, no, I don't I sound fine. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I got checked and I basically had tumors growing on
Speaker 2: my vote courts and basically they just cut them out
Speaker 2: and I had to rest my voice where you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to talk at all, which is so difficult. And
Speaker 2: then a year later they came back. So then I
Speaker 2: was medically retired. So I had to find another career
Speaker 2: where I don't use bomb voice so much, and I
Speaker 2: ended up in the Queensland Police Service and now I'm
Speaker 2: in the academy at doing training. So it's really good.
Speaker 1: Do they recognize you from maths?
Speaker 2: They they do, but because of like our kind of
Speaker 2: our chain of command, they basically would not approach me
Speaker 2: and say something, but some of them kind of look
Speaker 2: at me and like why to ask, and then some
Speaker 2: do ask, but yeah, it's okay, Like I don't mind
Speaker 2: if they ask, I'd rather than mask.
Speaker 1: Were you so, were you scouted for the show? No?
Speaker 2: I actually I was set to go on the show
Speaker 2: about three years ago, so I think it was about
Speaker 2: season four or I don't know, or five, and I
Speaker 2: started dating someone from school, and about four weeks into
Speaker 2: dating him, I pulled out of the whole maths process.
Speaker 2: And then this year I just got an email to say,
Speaker 2: do you want to apply? And I said, okay, I will,
Speaker 2: and yeah I did. So it kind of worked out
Speaker 2: like that, so I still had to go back and
Speaker 2: do my audition tape and and like all the other processes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I already knew basically the producers, and I
Speaker 2: had met them before. I didn't know them like I
Speaker 2: just met them.
Speaker 1: I wonder who you were going to be set up
Speaker 1: with in season four? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2: I think it was all five it was. I think
Speaker 2: it would have been John from Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so that's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah so another Melbourne person, Yes, So I that's what
Speaker 2: I think who it would have been, but I'm not
Speaker 2: sure now.
Speaker 1: So obviously you watched Maths before going on it, because
Speaker 1: we spoke to Drew last week and he'd never seen
Speaker 1: an episode but signed up, which blew our minds.
Speaker 2: No, so well, I think i'd watched that's like the
Speaker 2: season of when I had applied then like a few
Speaker 2: years ago, and then I kind of didn't really watch it,
Speaker 2: but then we yeah, we binged watched the last season
Speaker 2: with my girlfriend just to see kind of what we
Speaker 2: were getting into. So because I don't really watch television,
Speaker 2: so and that was something that like Steve and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't like. He found it really difficult because he watches
Speaker 2: television a lot and I never had the TV on
Speaker 2: at all, so like, we actually never turned the TV
Speaker 2: off unless we're watching something.
Speaker 1: Did you feel apprehensive watching last seasons before you were
Speaker 1: about to go on it, because obviously it was pretty
Speaker 1: explosive with Sorrel throwing wine and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Were you a bit concerned because it seems to have
Speaker 1: gone up a level since you know, three or four
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like three or four years ago, except like
Speaker 2: quite legit, so you know, and then well, was it
Speaker 2: Martha that threw the wine or.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, yeah, sorry, was the recipient, wasn't she?
Speaker 2: Yeah she got she got the wine? Yeah, but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I think it was. It was eye opening, and it
Speaker 2: was like very frustrating as well. But I thought because
Speaker 2: the women were so disjointed and they weren't like together
Speaker 2: and they were so anti each other, and yeah, that's
Speaker 2: something that bothered me and I didn't want that to
Speaker 2: be the same in our season.
Speaker 1: But do you think it was different in your season?
Speaker 2: Probably not. Yeah, Like, I think that a lot of
Speaker 2: us had good intentions and we tried, and I think
Speaker 2: that I could honestly say that I would talk to
Speaker 2: everyone on the series and I would be kind or
Speaker 2: nice to them, But I think that some personalities just
Speaker 2: couldn't get on, and they were never going to get on.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much I tried or anyone tried
Speaker 2: to get them to get along, they weren't going to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was pushed by producers or do
Speaker 1: you think it was just that some people just didn't click.
Speaker 2: Well, it's strange because the thing is, like Stacey and
Speaker 2: Haley just say that was a weird situation because I
Speaker 2: think that they both thought they didn't like that the
Speaker 2: other didn't like each other from the first day, but
Speaker 2: when you watch it on when we rewatched it, they're
Speaker 2: actually quite friendly for the first couple of dinner parties.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know why they got that impression.
Speaker 2: Maybe there was something that they were told that this
Speaker 2: person doesn't like you. I don't know, because everyone said
Speaker 2: the girls said to get on really well, especially on
Speaker 2: the Hens night, and first I couldn't say that anyone
Speaker 2: was annoying at all.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the producers had to step in and
Speaker 1: sort of stir the pot a little bit.
Speaker 2: And yeah, before we got the intruders, Like seriously, we
Speaker 2: could have fallen asleep at a didner part because we
Speaker 2: were all like we were basically like all friends. Like
Speaker 2: we we'd like even if we had an argument like
Speaker 2: on TV or whatever, we'd come out and just like okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, and we're just like making food or sharing
Speaker 2: food or whatever, like not that we're allowed to talk,
Speaker 2: but like, you know, somebody might make something and then
Speaker 2: give everyone banana bread that was Hailey's things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I think that's what Elizabeth, when she
Speaker 1: came in as an intruder, kind of said during the
Speaker 1: dinner party, She's like, Wow, this is boring. I need
Speaker 1: to stir things up. So it kind of puts into
Speaker 1: perspective that maybe that obviously was the producer's intentions, and
Speaker 1: like these people are getting on too.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah we were, but but we were because like
Speaker 2: we're kind of like and you put Stacy and Meeting
Speaker 2: next to each other and we just start talking about
Speaker 2: our kids, and no one wants to hear about our kids,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's quite a boring conversation apparently for TV.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's really exciting. And you see that
Speaker 2: one dinner party where I'm talking about, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: had bunyan surgery, and then somebody saying it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was our dinner parties, and then yeah, unless somebody
Speaker 2: stirred something up, then yeah, we're getting so comfortable because
Speaker 2: you end up feeling almost like a family because we're
Speaker 2: there in that place on the same level. We've got
Speaker 2: a babysitter that looks after us, a producer, and we
Speaker 2: can always go there and hang out. So if you're
Speaker 2: really sick of your partner, you can just hang out
Speaker 2: in the producer in the babysitter's room. You're not a
Speaker 2: a talk production or anything like that. But you can
Speaker 2: just sit there and just have a general conversation.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I was actually listening
Speaker 1: to an interview I don't know if you want the
Speaker 1: first season of Big Brother twenty years ago when Sarah
Speaker 1: Marie was on, but she was getting interviewed on a podcast,
Speaker 1: and she spoke about how she used to get so
Speaker 1: sick of all the housemates that she'd actually just ring
Speaker 1: up the psychologist Carmel to have a chat. It kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like you guys are like, you know, just
Speaker 1: chatting with the producers to talk to someone new.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, well, because you're stuck in the
Speaker 2: room with the same person and you can't get along.
Speaker 2: Even if it was like like like your true one,
Speaker 2: true love and you were like you know, or even
Speaker 2: your brother or sister or your mum, you'd fight with
Speaker 2: them anyway, and you get annoyed with people. So when
Speaker 2: you're with them all the time, then you just need
Speaker 2: a break sometimes and sometimes you both go in and
Speaker 2: just sit there and speak to the like babysitter, the producer,
Speaker 2: that's it, and you know, and you might see like
Speaker 2: often we'd go there and we'd see Stacey and Michael
Speaker 2: sitting in there having a chat, and like Drew came
Speaker 2: in once and brought everyone donuts and we're just like,
Speaker 2: look that out.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like what isolation is like for
Speaker 1: a lot of couples, but they don't have the outlet
Speaker 1: of talking to babysitters or producers. It's quite funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is just that's what I say about COVID.
Speaker 2: It just feels like maths, but at on a larger scale.
Speaker 2: But this time, but this time, I've got like a
Speaker 2: little bit more freedom. I can go into my garden,
Speaker 2: I can get onto the internet. I can do like
Speaker 2: I can watch something if I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 2: use my phone.
Speaker 1: So were you guys allowed to use the internet and
Speaker 1: your phones during filming or was that off limits?
Speaker 2: Not while we're filming, So no, we couldn't use our phones.
Speaker 2: Like they actually take them off you, so you can't
Speaker 2: even leave it in your room. They take them off you.
Speaker 2: So you have a production phone and you have your
Speaker 2: phone and they collect it before you film.
Speaker 1: They needed to take lessons off him a little bit more,
Speaker 1: it seems because Connie kept getting annoyed that he was
Speaker 1: on Instagram all the time.
Speaker 2: I think that that was like, well he wasn't. I
Speaker 2: don't know. That might have been one little argument about something,
Speaker 2: but that could have been on there downtime, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. Everyone was like doing something on their phone,
Speaker 2: like when they could, like you know, Steve would have said,
Speaker 2: oh wow, you're always talking to your family and any
Speaker 2: opportunity I FaceTime anyone.
Speaker 1: Do you think the producers might have been reading through
Speaker 1: your messages because in the last Dinner party it obviously
Speaker 1: came out all the scandalous affair between Mikey and apparently Stacey.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they might have known about that
Speaker 1: from reading his messages?
Speaker 2: Well, we're not out of send me message. The production
Speaker 2: phone doesn't have a sin card, so we only use
Speaker 2: it for filming and taking photos. But the thing is
Speaker 2: what you don't really realize your producer. So you adopt
Speaker 2: a produce or producer adopts you, and you become best
Speaker 2: friends with this person. And I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 2: like unreal. You know the series on stand and you
Speaker 2: you believe that they're your best friend and they're kind
Speaker 2: and they do whatever you want, and you know this
Speaker 2: is wrong and they'll fix it and whatever. See, so
Speaker 2: there you'll go to all the time. So you end
Speaker 2: up trusting him so much that you reveal a lot
Speaker 2: of information that you probably just slip up. And also,
Speaker 2: like somebody might have said something like with the Stacy
Speaker 2: and Mikey thing, Well, Alex and Stacy were quite close
Speaker 2: on the show, and then when the Alex kind of
Speaker 2: scandal came up. I think Alex felt portrayed by Stacy
Speaker 2: a little bit because and maybe she changed alliances or
Speaker 2: I don't know, and said something about the messages because
Speaker 2: Stacy might have confined I don't know, speculation, but because
Speaker 2: alliances changed all the time, and if you got dirt
Speaker 2: on someone, maybe you use it.
Speaker 1: Definitely just a on yourself, Yeah, depend on your morals,
Speaker 1: I suppose. Just going back to I suppose your motivation
Speaker 1: for going on Maths, you were very open about some
Speaker 1: of your previous relationships, and you did say that seven
Speaker 1: out of your eight relationships you were cheated on, which
Speaker 1: is awful. I mean, you must have met some real
Speaker 1: assholes along the way. You were you worried that they
Speaker 1: were going to match you up with someone that might
Speaker 1: cheat on you.
Speaker 2: I'd never thought that at all. I actually like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I didn't think that that would be like the
Speaker 2: focus of my character because there were so many other
Speaker 2: things that I talked about. But yeah, I haven't dated
Speaker 2: a lot. I've had a couple long term relationships and
Speaker 2: oh I've actually had one since my divorce and the
Speaker 2: others have been only like seven months or three months
Speaker 2: or something, So I haven't really dated a lot. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and I never let anyone move in. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: was probably I didn't expect it because I didn't know
Speaker 2: that that was going to be the thing that they
Speaker 2: focus on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's understandable.
Speaker 2: And like, well, but cheating is like one of my
Speaker 2: big bona's I think. You know, once you've cheated, you're
Speaker 2: kind of always like yeah, I said that, so.
Speaker 1: Always a cheatah as Rachel Green from Friends would say.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I just think that, and I just didn't
Speaker 2: imagine that they would. So even like I can remember
Speaker 2: when we've just signed the contracts and I've said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm really worried because I've just watched all this the
Speaker 2: last season. There isn't going to be It's not gonna
Speaker 2: be like last year, is it. There's not going to
Speaker 2: be all that and like the executive producers like.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we found someone.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're gonna love him, and just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I believe us, you know so. And the thing is like,
Speaker 2: you tell me something, I believe you, yes, because I
Speaker 2: wouldn't tell you a lie. So I don't think people lied.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good to take people on face value.
Speaker 1: It's disappointing when people use that to their advantage. I
Speaker 1: suppose that being said, there was a lot of talk
Speaker 1: online that Steve was, you know, the term gas lighting
Speaker 1: you because he'd make up sort of excuses, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not tall enough and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But then lead you on did you feel that did
Speaker 1: you think he was gas lighting.
Speaker 2: You at the time. I did really feel like that. Yes,
Speaker 2: I've really felt like that because there were two different
Speaker 2: situations on camera off camera, and then when that whole
Speaker 2: thing happened at the beach, it didn't really work out
Speaker 2: like that, but it was and then like the next
Speaker 2: couple of days it just kind of wow, And that
Speaker 2: was a producer instigated thing. So I think the day
Speaker 2: at the beach, because we were like, we were quite
Speaker 2: close Steve and I like we were friendly. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: had lots of arguments, like we'd argue, but we'd argue
Speaker 2: over him closing the door, and then I'd argue with
Speaker 2: him because he shut because he opened the door, like,
Speaker 2: you know, whichever, why did you shut it? Why did
Speaker 2: you open it? Like, you know, just stupid. And like
Speaker 2: if you saw our home videos, which one day I
Speaker 2: hope I release, they're actually quite funny because they're really
Speaker 2: just yeah, stupid. But it was we weren't quite comfortable,
Speaker 2: and that day I think they picked that particular day
Speaker 2: because you know, I had bought him breakfast as a surprise,
Speaker 2: and he's so overwhelmed with happiness. And then the producer said,
Speaker 2: I think this is the day that you need to
Speaker 2: tell her that you're not attracted to it. So and
Speaker 2: he was like the whole time, and he's trying to
Speaker 2: say stuff to me, but they don't let you talk,
Speaker 2: so he's trying to give me any warning signs and
Speaker 2: and but we've got when miked up, we can't really talk,
Speaker 2: and he's just saying, don't believe it, don't believe it,
Speaker 2: don't say this, you know, and he's like trying to
Speaker 2: give me signs. And we sit down and then I
Speaker 2: just and he goes, yeah, I'm not feeling attraction. I say,
Speaker 2: okay anyway, and then they're just like, how do you
Speaker 2: feel about that? I'm just like, it's all right, It's okay.
Speaker 2: What do we do? He's not attracted? And then we
Speaker 2: left like that. We actually left laughing and left the
Speaker 2: beach and we didn't have a fight. I wasn't upset.
Speaker 2: We got back to the unit and no one's allowed
Speaker 2: to come over, but that night we got people come
Speaker 2: over for a cup of tea and juices, come in
Speaker 2: and have a chat, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the conversation comes up to, oh, yeah, like Steve's been
Speaker 2: telling us this all the time, and that's why it
Speaker 2: comes out like, you know, why has he been telling
Speaker 2: everyone for the last six weeks and he hasn't told me?
Speaker 2: But in reality, like when I watched the series, he'd
Speaker 2: never said it into the screen, but I'd been told
Speaker 2: that he had been saying it the whole time. And
Speaker 2: so then you know, like we were we were fine,
Speaker 2: like up until everyone left that night, and like we
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to have visitors, but we did, and they've
Speaker 2: said that and they've made it really clear. So was
Speaker 2: that planned. I don't know you would have.
Speaker 1: Been thinking it was like the Elizabeth Sam situation where
Speaker 1: Sam was just bagging her out the whole time, and
Speaker 1: then it came as a shot. Because I remember hearing
Speaker 1: your reaction and I was I thought to myself, I
Speaker 1: wonder if she's being told differently that because it was
Speaker 1: clear that Steve wasn't saying that at all. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it would be like an embarrassing sort of you know,
Speaker 1: you feel a bit betrayed, whereas it's not like you
Speaker 1: I said about the comment, it's about the betrayal itself,
Speaker 1: but this didn't actually.
Speaker 2: Happen, and that's what That's what I was saying. I
Speaker 2: was just like, everyone's like, what's the betrayal? What's the betrayal?
Speaker 2: I was just like, okay, do you know, like because
Speaker 2: when we left that day, I was just like yeah.
Speaker 2: And like my producer's like, so you're okay with that?
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, worry what's wrong with that? Like of
Speaker 2: course we can't just like each other, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's fine, and like I'm not attracted to him either,
Speaker 2: so you know, it doesn't matter, Like it really didn't matter,
Speaker 2: So it's manipulated. What was that it got a reaction.
Speaker 3: I got good TV.
Speaker 1: They did their job.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, like I think Steve got ripped
Speaker 2: for that because like you know, saying that to me,
Speaker 2: But there was such a process to get to that. Actually,
Speaker 2: like that was like that was good editing.
Speaker 1: It was because I really enjoyed because you talked about
Speaker 1: it that you would fight just petty things that everyone
Speaker 1: fights about with Steve, and I really enjoyed the friendship
Speaker 1: that formed. Are you guys still friends now or is
Speaker 1: it kind of since filming stopped, it sort of hard
Speaker 1: to catch up.
Speaker 2: Oh so like during like once we were like friends,
Speaker 2: like after the reunion, we started talking and it was
Speaker 2: and it was fine. But then once that that actual
Speaker 2: episode aired, that kind of like really hit me and
Speaker 2: and I just like I just couldn't be friends. I
Speaker 2: couldn't talk to him, and yeah, I kind of felt
Speaker 2: really betrayed and I kind of blamed Steve about it
Speaker 2: as well. And yeah, so we've recently started just messaging
Speaker 2: and yeah, and I think that we will like be
Speaker 2: like like friends. There will be some sort of friendship,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like not super close or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but just the same as anyone else on the show.
Speaker 2: But it's a shame to not be friends definitely, like
Speaker 2: you know, because out of everyone, we're probably the best
Speaker 2: friends ever. Like, we did have a lot of fun
Speaker 2: and we just did.
Speaker 3: Laugh a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could tell that we didn't know, but
Speaker 2: we didn't know each other.
Speaker 1: You mentioned previously at the beach scene and how that
Speaker 1: was a little bit manipulated. Were there any other huge
Speaker 1: moments that happened on Maths that didn't make it on
Speaker 1: air that you can tell us about.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, I think that everyone knows about the dinner party, Like,
Speaker 2: not the dinner party, the girls night that was horrific.
Speaker 2: So that's been talked about. That's probably the most disturbing part.
Speaker 2: And I can understand why they didn't play it, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't give Haley a really good read.
Speaker 1: So for those who haven't heard, what I suppose, what
Speaker 1: can you say happened during that?
Speaker 2: Go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's that was like.
Speaker 2: That was the worst part of the So I'd never
Speaker 2: seen the girls be mean to each other really, So
Speaker 2: even when Haley and Stacey were arguing about Michael, there
Speaker 2: was never really anything quite like vindictive or really like
Speaker 2: mean when they were talking. It was that girl's night,
Speaker 2: and I just think that they just wanted to add
Speaker 2: a little bit extra and I think Lizzie knew the
Speaker 2: recipe and and basically she like, yeah, she ended up
Speaker 2: breaking a glass and I think she went for Hailey's throat.
Speaker 2: They had to get they had to pull her out.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was really it was traumatic for everyone
Speaker 2: that witnessed it. But it wasn't just that I just like,
Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that I had
Speaker 2: a problem with. Everyone says that, d why do you dislike Lizzie.
Speaker 2: I don't dislike her. I just don't like the way
Speaker 2: that she behaved and a few things that she did.
Speaker 2: So that Girl's Night, there was a few people that
Speaker 2: had come back, like Poppy, and she was already quite
Speaker 2: distraught coming back, and Lizzie had given her a really
Speaker 2: hard time. Puppy left crying like within three minutes for
Speaker 2: the Lizzie questioning it. And then then Vanessa comes in,
Speaker 2: who's also traumatized, and Lizzie's like going for her, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you better stop, girl, because this is
Speaker 2: not cool. You cannot do that. You don't know these people.
Speaker 2: And anyway, so and then she starts on Hailey and
Speaker 2: and then eventually they pulled me out because I kept
Speaker 2: putting out fires, like I was trying to put out
Speaker 2: the fire between Haley and Stacy as well. But I
Speaker 2: think that other people had other agendas and the big
Speaker 2: statement would have been like, yeah, Lizzy going all out.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it wasn't shown? Do you think
Speaker 1: it was just too out there to show? Or do
Speaker 1: you think that the producers were favoring some of the
Speaker 1: maths you know, you perhaps.
Speaker 2: Well, we all watched it, so with the reunion, when
Speaker 2: we sat down with the experts, we all got to
Speaker 2: watch it, and our reaction was like it was distressing.
Speaker 2: So I know from that night, like Connie and Casey,
Speaker 2: they were very traumatized because of the violence, and and
Speaker 2: Hayley was not violent at all, like you know, she
Speaker 2: was like you know, she didn't know what was coming
Speaker 2: for her, and they were quite traumatized, and and they're
Speaker 2: both lovely girls. And I think that the other girls,
Speaker 2: like Vanessa and Poppy, like they didn't expect to be attacked, like,
Speaker 2: you know, by someone that they've never met before. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it it didn't look good because it wasn't good. It
Speaker 2: wasn't actually good, like you know, but then they still
Speaker 2: ended up showing Stacy throwing the bread, so which I
Speaker 2: don't understand why they showed Stacy throwing something, but they
Speaker 2: didn't show Lizzie's or all of her actions.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's anyway, it didn't fit with the storyline
Speaker 1: that they were producing because I feel like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion from watching the show, but
Speaker 1: it seemed like they brought Lizzie into kind of do
Speaker 1: a little bit maybe of their work stir things up
Speaker 1: a bit that maybe they were pushing her too hard
Speaker 1: and she kind of completely overreacted, but they mld look
Speaker 1: bad on them. They wanted a love story with Lizzie,
Speaker 1: That's what they wanted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also wanted her to be like complete
Speaker 2: and other girl code and that from that night, I
Speaker 2: think that they tried to make her out as she
Speaker 2: was the one sticking up for Stacy and everything like that.
Speaker 2: I just it wasn't like that. It just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was totally the opposite. And that's you know, when
Speaker 2: you don't and not up holding girl code, you know
Speaker 2: that's bad. But when you're actually physically attacking someone, no,
Speaker 2: that's wrong and there is nothing acceptable in that. And
Speaker 2: I think she knew that that was coming up, and
Speaker 2: she did a public apology because it was going to
Speaker 2: come out, and then then they didn't end up showing it,
Speaker 2: but we all saw it sitting on the couch and
Speaker 2: we were just mortified. The boys were just like, these
Speaker 2: are animals, like you are actual animals. It was fairer
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you must be brought up in a
Speaker 2: particular mindset to feel that that you have to attack
Speaker 2: another person. And God, you're taking on Haley. She's like
Speaker 2: she's like like eighty kilos of muscle or whatever, like
Speaker 2: you know, and she's pretty tall, Like you're not.
Speaker 3: Going to take her on, Like I don't know anyway, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wouldn't have fit Lizzie's nice school agenda
Speaker 2: and like her love story and yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Being a mum because you've got is it eighteen and
Speaker 1: twenty year old? Was it hard to sit there because
Speaker 1: obviously you've you know, you've got kids, you're a teacher,
Speaker 1: and these people are maybe they're older, but similar ages.
Speaker 1: It would have been really hard to just be like
Speaker 1: just cut the crap, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what we liked about you that you did in your
Speaker 1: way call people out, but it was in such a
Speaker 1: lovable way that it was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: your mum telling you to stop being so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people probably found, like you
Speaker 2: know what, everyone was like would listen, like I kind
Speaker 2: of say, you know what, that's not cool or whatever.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think that.
Speaker 2: Once Stacy yelled back at me, and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: Stacy yelled at her, it's like and it was it
Speaker 2: was really quite funny actually, but it was like and
Speaker 2: everyone was like, oh my god, yelled at me. Show
Speaker 2: it's like kneeling at your mom. It was always funny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that there was a lot of
Speaker 2: bullshit that you just didn't want to tolerate and you're
Speaker 2: just like, for Fox's sake, oh sorry, I'm not that's
Speaker 2: just to stop this and just like you know, act
Speaker 2: like a freaking human like the toothbrush thing, like seriously, gosh,
Speaker 2: do what you would do on the outside. But it
Speaker 2: is it's a different mentality you're in, like this situation.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're going to do, so just
Speaker 2: try to be the person you are. But yeah, like
Speaker 2: I think sometimes because I've been a month for so
Speaker 2: long and a teacher, it just like would it's still overtake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that sort of toilet you know,
Speaker 1: putting someone's toilet. Sorry, if someone's putting someone's toothbrush in
Speaker 1: the toilet. That seems so juvenile and like a prank
Speaker 1: you pull at school, not on national TV in front
Speaker 1: of everyone.
Speaker 2: It was just I don't think he did it like
Speaker 2: for that reason. And yeah, and like to and in
Speaker 2: Dave's defense, like he had probably like he was suffering
Speaker 2: with his own bits as well. So you know, you
Speaker 2: don't know what you're going to do in a particular situation.
Speaker 2: And like when I can remember sitting there like three
Speaker 2: or four weeks in and thinking I can't do this,
Speaker 2: and like you know, and that you think, why did
Speaker 2: they cheat in the last seasons? Yeah, I know why
Speaker 2: they cheated because they're bored. They're actually like just like
Speaker 2: you know, you'd actually do anything just to make your
Speaker 2: life a little bit more interesting, or because you don't
Speaker 2: think about it being on TV and how it's going
Speaker 2: to look like to everyone, because you kind of forget
Speaker 2: you're filming a show you really do, and yeah, you
Speaker 2: just kind.
Speaker 3: Of want to like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But Dave, yeah, he made a really bad mistake, but
Speaker 2: I think he's apologized that he feels really bad about it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but you just don't know what you're going
Speaker 2: to do in that sort of situation.
Speaker 1: Not talking about being bored. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: played into the boredom. But you mentioned on your Instagram
Speaker 1: that you and some of the other contestants had a
Speaker 1: relationship with the paparazzi, which I was so interested in
Speaker 1: because you know, we obviously see lots of photos of
Speaker 1: you guys up on sort of Daily Mail and other
Speaker 1: online sites. Can you explain to us how does that
Speaker 1: relationship start and what is the relationship between you guys?
Speaker 2: Oh so the first day, the first day they follow.
Speaker 3: You and it's fear so.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you like you you don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's called a relationship yet, but
Speaker 2: well it is. Everything's a relationship. So you basically start
Speaker 2: out and you can react in certain different ways to
Speaker 2: these people because they know who you are. I don't
Speaker 2: know how they know you who you are, but they do.
Speaker 2: And Daily Mail was in the same street that we
Speaker 2: were actually living in. Oh well, so, like was that like,
Speaker 2: how convenient. Yeah, that was really convenient. And so the
Speaker 2: guy from Daily Mail he had to go past our
Speaker 2: building to get lunch, so he'd have his camera with
Speaker 2: him and just take photos anyway, So like the first
Speaker 2: that your producers don't trust him, don't trust them, and
Speaker 2: we hide and do stuff, and then eventually, like you
Speaker 2: might say hello, and then you see them. They followed
Speaker 2: you to like out on your day off, and you're
Speaker 2: like you might have a conversation, you might meet their friends,
Speaker 2: and then basically, yeah, like some people never become friendly
Speaker 2: with them, and some people do.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it pays to be friends with
Speaker 1: them because the three of us used to work in
Speaker 1: TV media and you're always friends with the camera guy
Speaker 1: because they're going to shoot you and either they're going
Speaker 1: to make you look good or look bad. It's always
Speaker 1: good to have them as a friend. You don't want
Speaker 1: those like double chin angles.
Speaker 2: But but well, I don't know. I really didn't think
Speaker 2: about it. And then like after a while, like you
Speaker 2: see them every day, like they're there every day, and
Speaker 2: he kind of just asked them how are they and
Speaker 2: you start this relationship and then yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It is like and then and you have the opportunity
Speaker 2: to talk about stuff that's really bothering you because you
Speaker 2: know you want it. Like I went through phases where
Speaker 2: I wanted to get out of the experiment and all
Speaker 2: I want to do is get out, and there's no
Speaker 2: one you can talk to. You can't talk to the
Speaker 2: psyche because then she's telling the producers and you can't
Speaker 2: talk to anyone. And you know, you might say to
Speaker 2: like you talk to you don't really trust your partners
Speaker 2: to tell them, and you talk to a journalist and
Speaker 2: then like, yeah, there's a story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the psyche is not like they actually have a
Speaker 1: relationship with the producers. It's not someone independent. That's that's
Speaker 1: really disturbing.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, what they have the math psyche that's there
Speaker 2: so for all the dinner parties for like for us,
Speaker 2: but any information that you do share that can be
Speaker 2: shared with the producers as well. Yeah yeah that's so. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And but I went to their doctor and even that
Speaker 2: was shit, so to their GP. So and it's just
Speaker 2: like I don't know if that yeah, because I really
Speaker 2: wanted to go see a different doctor. But anyway, that's
Speaker 2: what happened, and you don't realize until a little while,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even realize the babysitter was a producer
Speaker 2: and like taking notes from all the things we were
Speaker 2: telling them. So wow. Yeah, So like I'm probably naive
Speaker 2: to this stuff anyway.
Speaker 1: But if you've never been on who in their life?
Speaker 1: You know, if I went on a reality show, I
Speaker 1: might be a bit more cluey having worked in TV before.
Speaker 1: But if you're a tea, I can imagine my mum
Speaker 1: going on and she'd have no idea. There's so many
Speaker 1: people that just haven't dealt with TV producers before. How
Speaker 1: are you to know what's going on?
Speaker 2: I know? And the thing is like you just think, well, wow,
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm talking to them, and then and then,
Speaker 2: like you know, I was missing my family so much,
Speaker 2: and I kept talking about that, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was allowed a weekend to go home,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, and then I said, oh,
Speaker 2: why am I let to go home? And they said, oh,
Speaker 2: Teresa said you were struggling. Okay, all right, we can
Speaker 2: use this to our advantage now. So that was maybe
Speaker 2: something that you'd kind of people worked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's talking about the media. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of articles recently popping up, and they all seem to
Speaker 1: revolve around rumors about work you've had done in your appearance,
Speaker 1: and as women, that kind of does tend to annoy us,
Speaker 1: that it's just focusing on your appearance. But I did
Speaker 1: love your honesty how you came out and said you'd
Speaker 1: had a few was it some fillers and things like
Speaker 1: that because you wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: It's botox? Yeah, so yeah, no, And I said, if
Speaker 2: I have more, like I'll take you on the journey,
Speaker 2: like you can see the whole process. But yeah, because
Speaker 2: I think that with my host, I don't know, like
Speaker 2: someone I had doesn't really like me or they know,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I took that photo with the filter and
Speaker 2: I was lying down and apparently I look like an alien.
Speaker 1: And feeling you were just lying on your back.
Speaker 2: That was, and yeah, and like it's blanked out all
Speaker 2: my things, so all my features. But anyway, I thought
Speaker 2: people use Instagram filters and use filters.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't do that to their photos?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really conscious of it now, I believe me.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that you said that. They because you I
Speaker 1: think it was a Daily Mail article you shared and
Speaker 1: they had some experts say that you altered this, and
Speaker 1: you'd altered that, but I loved your honesty that the
Speaker 1: reason you'd altered it was because he had was it
Speaker 1: bits of white on your black hat, like bits of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I don't know, yeah, yeah, I've made
Speaker 2: a huge mistake because I have, like you know now,
Speaker 2: like washing my hat with a white town and they're
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that, Like that's that's something your
Speaker 2: mom teaches you the first I don't know, she teaches
Speaker 2: you pretty much straight up. I don't watch anything in
Speaker 2: her light house anyway. But then I did and I
Speaker 2: wore that hat and then I just colored it in
Speaker 2: and the coloring in is even really bad. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen it. And then then I
Speaker 2: get another another I don't know why, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the go is. But then I get another
Speaker 2: story to say, oh, there's a rare photo of her
Speaker 2: unfiltered selfie with no makeup, just like gosh, I wear
Speaker 2: no makeup every day. Yeah, it was on TV that
Speaker 2: I did, So I don't know. Yeah, but I've had yeah,
Speaker 2: I have had photos and I probably will get lots
Speaker 2: more because I think it's great and yeah, and I've had.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're turning fifty this year because you
Speaker 1: look bloody amazing before after whenever, like you know, before
Speaker 1: the botox, after the botox, you were looking so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so MRD.
Speaker 1: I remember when you're on the show, like the first episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not just saying this, you look
Speaker 1: stunning like you absolutely. I think it's just also the
Speaker 1: confidence that you had. And I think what people are
Speaker 1: forgetting is as Amy said, people are surprised that you
Speaker 1: actually are turning fifty. And you know, if some people
Speaker 1: want to use two plastic, sorry, some people want to
Speaker 1: use feelers, other people don't. But I suppose it's not
Speaker 1: like it's a twenty year old that's going out and
Speaker 1: getting feelers, if you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 1: something that you should be allowed to do if you
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: But like if my daughter wanted to get fellers, like
Speaker 2: i'd letter, like you know, and the thing with the
Speaker 2: permanent tattoos, Like we both got our eyebrows done because
Speaker 2: like she's got alopecia so and I don't have very
Speaker 2: much eyebrows either, So yeah, we got that done for
Speaker 2: medical reasons. But then getting the rest done is just convenience.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it just works out quite like it's easy.
Speaker 2: I wake up and I go to work like that.
Speaker 2: Some days I comb my hair and other days I don't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think that even if you are
Speaker 2: twenty or whatever and you want just a little bit
Speaker 2: of enhancement, like, just do it if you want to.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you don't love yourself. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: changing my nose entirely, or I'm not changing like the
Speaker 2: shape of my eyes. I'm just doing something that makes
Speaker 2: me feel a tiny bit better, just like my hair.
Speaker 2: Like I've had blonde hair, I've had black hair, I've
Speaker 2: had purple hair, I've had every color hair, Like, how
Speaker 2: is that different to my face? That's the thing.
Speaker 1: If there's something that bothers you, sometimes it's best just
Speaker 1: to go, Okay, well I really don't like this, and
Speaker 1: if this makes me feel a little bit better. I
Speaker 1: think it's important if the motivation's coming from you. It
Speaker 1: would be different if you were doing something to impress
Speaker 1: someone else. But I think if it's you, you know
Speaker 1: you're helping yourself, and that's something that you really want
Speaker 1: to do, then why not, Like a who are we
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do with yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think. I think everyone has their own
Speaker 2: free will and they can do whatever they want. But
Speaker 2: I know my friend is sick of defending me, like
Speaker 2: why is she wearing makeup at the beach? Why? It's
Speaker 2: just like, that's why I put the picture. I wake
Speaker 2: up like that, I look like I've got makeup, and
Speaker 2: if it wasn't COVID, I have my lashes done, so yeah,
Speaker 2: so then I kind of yeah anyway, but it's and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I look gorgeous when I wake
Speaker 2: up like I feel gorgeous, because that's the best version
Speaker 2: of me right now. But yeah, I'm just showing you
Speaker 2: exactly what I look like.
Speaker 1: Well, we touched on that you're turning fifty later this year, which,
Speaker 1: as we said, we're surprised about. And while you're already,
Speaker 1: in our eyes, very fit and fabulous, we understand that
Speaker 1: you have some big fitness goals that you're wanting to
Speaker 1: achieve by your birthday.
Speaker 2: Yes. So I've actually gained quite a bit of weight
Speaker 2: when I was on Maths. So I gained something like
Speaker 2: thirteen kilos during Maths.
Speaker 1: You couldn't tell you I didn't because I did see
Speaker 1: the file that you put on your Instagram as a comparison,
Speaker 1: but when you're watching, like you definitely don't pick up
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think I can see it when I've
Speaker 2: the Hen's Night and then like the final vows, Like
Speaker 2: I think I've got like an additional neck.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's probably just use you know, when you notice yourself.
Speaker 1: But so many people do say they've put on weight
Speaker 1: being on reality shows. On The Bachelor, I know Sam
Speaker 1: Frost put and I think she put on about ten
Speaker 1: kilos is it? What do you think it is that?
Speaker 1: Are you eating to comfort yourself because you're away from
Speaker 1: family or what do you think it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're eating to comfort you're also eating like
Speaker 2: at odd times, and you're eating whenever you can or
Speaker 2: when they give you food, and you'll eat whatever they
Speaker 2: give you, and you're not in your routine. And I
Speaker 2: know everyone says, oh, you had a gym and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, but we can't use the gym if somebody
Speaker 2: else is using it, and so like, yeah, there's not
Speaker 2: enough time for everyone to go to the gym separately
Speaker 2: or yeah, so we didn't get our normal routines where
Speaker 2: we exercise in the morning and do like those everyday
Speaker 2: things that you would normally do. And yeah, I was
Speaker 2: quite depressed, I can tell you, like quite honestly. I
Speaker 2: got to a really really low place and I started
Speaker 2: eating Haig's chocolate like I was addicted to Haiges's chocolate.
Speaker 1: Different so good.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't the Academia crunch bar like you can't
Speaker 2: even I can't even order it online.
Speaker 3: Like I can't even order it to get.
Speaker 2: Here because they don't they won't ship it online. It's
Speaker 2: just like we don't have stores. It's good because I'm
Speaker 2: on this diet.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because from where we are from South Australia.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we'll have to send you some,
Speaker 1: but maybe not if it's not going to help you.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you can't send me some like I'd really
Speaker 2: love it treat Yeah no, yeah, because I fell in
Speaker 2: love with those bars. I think I'd spend about thirty dollars.
Speaker 3: A day of us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm joking, but you do. And the thing is
Speaker 2: you're like your eating is so sporadic, and you're eating
Speaker 2: like a pie at twelve or one o'clock at night
Speaker 2: and you don't normally do that.
Speaker 1: I can imagine getting like macas on the way home
Speaker 1: from the dinner party. You know those dinner parties that
Speaker 1: drag on and you're hungry by the time you leave
Speaker 1: because it seems so long ago. I feel like that
Speaker 1: would probably be an occurrence on maths.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And if somebody got maccas and you didn't,
Speaker 2: and then you just like try to steal a chip
Speaker 2: or a chicken nugget or whatever. And I hate chicken nuggets,
Speaker 2: but you know why I started eating them.
Speaker 1: So you can't just have one macas chip like you
Speaker 1: you can't stop it.
Speaker 2: But it's just like that. And yeah, I think even
Speaker 2: Hayley said she put on quite a bit of weight.
Speaker 2: I think that a few of us did. Well.
Speaker 1: We were talking before briefly about how the fact that
Speaker 1: you have three sisters, and we were kind of bonding
Speaker 1: about the fact that, you know, I think anyone who
Speaker 1: has sisters knows what it's like. Because my boyfriend gets
Speaker 1: He's always like, what are you guys always arguing and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's just normal.
Speaker 2: It is. Well, we're not arguing, we're having a discussion, right.
Speaker 1: So you were saying you've got a younger sister, and
Speaker 1: then is it are you in the middle or what's
Speaker 1: it like?
Speaker 2: So there's the three of us that like, there's one
Speaker 2: a year older than me and one that's a year
Speaker 2: younger than me. So I am the middle of the
Speaker 2: first three. And then we've got a little sister that's
Speaker 2: fourteen or fifteen years younger. Wow, and she has all
Speaker 2: the answers, so she knows everything. You just ask her
Speaker 2: listeners everything. So yeah, I should always admit it, so
Speaker 2: you always have one. We have spelling tests, like who
Speaker 2: does like like family dinner, Like we'll sit there and say, okay,
Speaker 2: we're doing spelling tests now because we want to be
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like spelling b when you can
Speaker 1: ask for the origin of the word or are you
Speaker 1: just given the word?
Speaker 2: No, it's just because Melissa thinks she's a really good speller,
Speaker 2: and so do I. So yeah, And then I got
Speaker 2: my older sister who's very caring and just yeah. And
Speaker 2: then the younger sister signed Sancha, and then Betty she's
Speaker 2: basically she just would give you her heart if she could,
Speaker 2: should do anything for you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what did they all think about you
Speaker 1: going on the show? Because it kind of seems like
Speaker 1: when you went home, and that was sort of when
Speaker 1: you had that moment where you're like, hang on, I
Speaker 1: think Steve's gaslighting me. Were they helpful in you making
Speaker 1: your decision?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like my mom and my mom's reaction, like
Speaker 2: you know, when I told everyone, my mom had no idea,
Speaker 2: and she thought it was quite genuine. She'd never watch
Speaker 2: the show. Neither had my sisters, so that was a
Speaker 2: real genuine reaction. And they're just like, yeah, so excited
Speaker 2: getting married. And I think the type of people were
Speaker 2: like is because like my mum always told us to
Speaker 2: be nice, be nice, always be nice. If you're not nice,
Speaker 2: then don't be not don't do anything other anyway, And
Speaker 2: it was like, I think it was more my fan
Speaker 2: my friends telling me that I wasn't acting the same.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then my sister and my daughter is.
Speaker 2: My daughter's very pragmatic. She's like so like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: doesn't seem right, No, that's wrong. So yeah, she's black
Speaker 2: and white and just like yeah, tells you. And she's
Speaker 2: quite smart, that would be helpful. Yeah, she's really good.
Speaker 2: And Betty's kind of no nonsense as well, and they
Speaker 2: just said yeah, doesn't sound right, doesn't Yeah, if it
Speaker 2: like walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then
Speaker 2: it must be a duck. I don't know so, And
Speaker 2: that was really like you could see like I don't
Speaker 2: I can't act like that. I it was so genuine
Speaker 2: my reaction. It was it's like you see the light
Speaker 2: bulb just go off. Yeah, in my head at that moment,
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what we love so much about you,
Speaker 1: how genuine you are. And I suppose we got I know,
Speaker 1: you've got to get back to your police recruit. So
Speaker 1: we'll probably wrap it up now. But thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. We love chatting. I feel like
Speaker 1: we could chat all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, girls, I really really appreciate it.
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