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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 2: That is so fat thank you. I can remember when

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Speaker 2: we've just signed the contracts and I've said, look, I'm

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Speaker 2: really worried because I've just watched all this the last season.

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Speaker 2: There isn't going to be It's not gonna be like

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 3: Is that there's not going to be all.

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Speaker 2: That, And like executive producers like no, no, no, we

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Speaker 2: found someone. He's like, you're gonna love him. I'm just like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I believe U.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what.

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Speaker 2: You're going to do in a particular situation. I can

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Speaker 2: remember sitting there like three or four weeks in and

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Speaker 2: thinking I can't do this, and like you know and

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Speaker 2: that you think, why did they cheat in the last seasons. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know why they cheated because they're bought. I went

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Speaker 2: through phases where I wanted to get out of the exprement,

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Speaker 2: and there's no one you can talk to. You can't

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Speaker 2: talk to the psyche because they're just telling the producers,

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Speaker 2: and you can't talk to anyone.

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Speaker 1: On today's Under the Influence episode, we're joined by the

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Speaker 1: amazing Michelle from Married at First Sight. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much Michelle for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Basually, i'd love to find out what you've been doing

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Speaker 1: since Maths, and I suppose how you're coping during isolation.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of a continuation of Maths isolation, isn't it,

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Speaker 2: because it's almost like we did the three and a

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Speaker 2: half months in maths and then now we're doing COVID isolation.

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Speaker 2: I had a few weeks where I could do stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I had a Christmas holiday, which was awesome, but

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Speaker 2: working from home. So I was firstly educated as a naturopath,

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Speaker 2: so that's my first profession. And then I went back

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Speaker 2: to UNI and started education and I did secondary education,

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Speaker 2: so science, maths, English, and then I thought I'd go

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Speaker 2: back and study literacy and numacy, and then I went

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Speaker 2: so yeah. Now, because I have been medically retired from

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Speaker 2: Queensland Education, I'm working with the police.

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Speaker 1: Well, and can you tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: why you were medically retired because you mentioned before that

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Speaker 1: you get asked so many questions about your voice, and

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Speaker 1: so this is my answer some people's questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So about eight or nine years ago, I was

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Speaker 2: teaching class and my students kept laughing at me. They

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Speaker 2: were saying, oh, you sound like comit the frog, miss,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just like, no, I don't I sound fine. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I got checked and I basically had tumors growing on

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Speaker 2: my vote courts and basically they just cut them out

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Speaker 2: and I had to rest my voice where you're not

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Speaker 2: then a year later they came back. So then I

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Speaker 1: Do they recognize you from maths?

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Speaker 2: They they do, but because of like our kind of

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Speaker 1: Were you so, were you scouted for the show? No?

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Speaker 2: And then this year I just got an email to say,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I already knew basically the producers, and I

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Speaker 1: I wonder who you were going to be set up

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Speaker 2: I think it was all five it was. I think

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Speaker 1: So obviously you watched Maths before going on it, because

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Speaker 1: we spoke to Drew last week and he'd never seen

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Speaker 2: No, so well, I think i'd watched that's like the

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Speaker 2: but then we yeah, we binged watched the last season

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Speaker 1: Did you feel apprehensive watching last seasons before you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like three or four years ago, except like

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Speaker 1: But do you think it was different in your season?

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Speaker 2: Probably not. Yeah, Like, I think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: Do you think that was pushed by producers or do

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Speaker 2: Haley just say that was a weird situation because I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know why they got that impression.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there was something that they were told that this

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Speaker 2: the girls said to get on really well, especially on

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Speaker 2: the Hens night, and first I couldn't say that anyone

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the producers had to step in and

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Speaker 2: And yeah, before we got the intruders, Like seriously, we

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because I think that's what Elizabeth, when she

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah we were, but but we were because like

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Speaker 2: you know, so that's quite a boring conversation apparently for TV.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I was actually listening

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Speaker 1: and she spoke about how she used to get so

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Speaker 1: up the psychologist Carmel to have a chat. It kind

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Speaker 1: of sounds like you guys are like, you know, just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that, well, because you're stuck in the

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Speaker 2: Even if it was like like like your true one,

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Speaker 2: often we'd go there and we'd see Stacey and Michael

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Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like what isolation is like for

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Speaker 1: a lot of couples, but they don't have the outlet

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Speaker 1: of talking to babysitters or producers. It's quite funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is just that's what I say about COVID.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like maths, but at on a larger scale.

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Speaker 2: But this time, but this time, I've got like a

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Speaker 2: I can get onto the internet. I can do like

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Speaker 2: I can watch something if I wanted to, you know,

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, we found someone.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you're gonna love him, and just like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I got good TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could tell that we didn't know, but

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, I think that everyone knows about the dinner party, Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's that was like.

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Speaker 2: That was the worst part of the So I'd never

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Speaker 2: They had to get they had to pull her out.

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Speaker 2: So that Girl's Night, there was a few people that

435
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: had come back, like Poppy, and she was already quite

436
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: distraught coming back, and Lizzie had given her a really

437
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: hard time. Puppy left crying like within three minutes for

438
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: the Lizzie questioning it. And then then Vanessa comes in,

439
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 2: who's also traumatized, and Lizzie's like going for her, and

440
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you better stop, girl, because this is

441
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: not cool. You cannot do that. You don't know these people.

442
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: And anyway, so and then she starts on Hailey and

443
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: and then eventually they pulled me out because I kept

444
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: putting out fires, like I was trying to put out

445
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: the fire between Haley and Stacy as well. But I

446
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: think that other people had other agendas and the big

447
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: statement would have been like, yeah, Lizzy going all out.

448
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: Why do you think it wasn't shown? Do you think

449
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: it was just too out there to show? Or do

450
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: you think that the producers were favoring some of the

451
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: maths you know, you perhaps.

452
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: Well, we all watched it, so with the reunion, when

453
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: we sat down with the experts, we all got to

454
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: watch it, and our reaction was like it was distressing.

455
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: So I know from that night, like Connie and Casey,

456
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: they were very traumatized because of the violence, and and

457
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: Hayley was not violent at all, like you know, she

458
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: was like you know, she didn't know what was coming

459
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: for her, and they were quite traumatized, and and they're

460
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: both lovely girls. And I think that the other girls,

461
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: like Vanessa and Poppy, like they didn't expect to be attacked, like,

462
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, by someone that they've never met before. And yeah,

463
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: it it didn't look good because it wasn't good. It

464
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: wasn't actually good, like you know, but then they still

465
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 2: ended up showing Stacy throwing the bread, so which I

466
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: don't understand why they showed Stacy throwing something, but they

467
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: didn't show Lizzie's or all of her actions.

468
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's anyway, it didn't fit with the storyline

469
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: that they were producing because I feel like, I mean,

470
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion from watching the show, but

471
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: it seemed like they brought Lizzie into kind of do

472
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: a little bit maybe of their work stir things up

473
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: a bit that maybe they were pushing her too hard

474
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: and she kind of completely overreacted, but they mld look

475
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: bad on them. They wanted a love story with Lizzie,

476
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: That's what they wanted.

477
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also wanted her to be like complete

478
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: and other girl code and that from that night, I

479
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: think that they tried to make her out as she

480
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: was the one sticking up for Stacy and everything like that.

481
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: I just it wasn't like that. It just like, yeah,

482
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: it was totally the opposite. And that's you know, when

483
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: you don't and not up holding girl code, you know

484
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: that's bad. But when you're actually physically attacking someone, no,

485
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: that's wrong and there is nothing acceptable in that. And

486
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: I think she knew that that was coming up, and

487
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: she did a public apology because it was going to

488
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: come out, and then then they didn't end up showing it,

489
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: but we all saw it sitting on the couch and

490
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: we were just mortified. The boys were just like, these

491
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: are animals, like you are actual animals. It was fairer

492
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you must be brought up in a

493
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: particular mindset to feel that that you have to attack

494
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: another person. And God, you're taking on Haley. She's like

495
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: she's like like eighty kilos of muscle or whatever, like

496
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, and she's pretty tall, Like you're not.

497
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: Going to take her on, Like I don't know anyway, And.

498
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wouldn't have fit Lizzie's nice school agenda

499
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: and like her love story and yeah, stuff like that.

500
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: Being a mum because you've got is it eighteen and

501
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: twenty year old? Was it hard to sit there because

502
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: obviously you've you know, you've got kids, you're a teacher,

503
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: and these people are maybe they're older, but similar ages.

504
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: It would have been really hard to just be like

505
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: just cut the crap, you know. And I think that's

506
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: what we liked about you that you did in your

507
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: way call people out, but it was in such a

508
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: lovable way that it was kind of like, you know,

509
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: your mum telling you to stop being so ridiculous.

510
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's what people probably found, like you

511
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: know what, everyone was like would listen, like I kind

512
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: of say, you know what, that's not cool or whatever.

513
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think that.

514
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Once Stacy yelled back at me, and everyone's like, oh,

515
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: Stacy yelled at her, it's like and it was it

516
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: was really quite funny actually, but it was like and

517
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: everyone was like, oh my god, yelled at me. Show

518
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: it's like kneeling at your mom. It was always funny.

519
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that there was a lot of

520
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: bullshit that you just didn't want to tolerate and you're

521
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: just like, for Fox's sake, oh sorry, I'm not that's

522
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: just to stop this and just like you know, act

523
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: like a freaking human like the toothbrush thing, like seriously, gosh,

524
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: do what you would do on the outside. But it

525
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: is it's a different mentality you're in, like this situation.

526
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're going to do, so just

527
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: try to be the person you are. But yeah, like

528
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: I think sometimes because I've been a month for so

529
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: long and a teacher, it just like would it's still overtake.

530
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that sort of toilet you know,

531
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: putting someone's toilet. Sorry, if someone's putting someone's toothbrush in

532
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: the toilet. That seems so juvenile and like a prank

533
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: you pull at school, not on national TV in front

534
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: of everyone.

535
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: It was just I don't think he did it like

536
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: for that reason. And yeah, and like to and in

537
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: Dave's defense, like he had probably like he was suffering

538
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: with his own bits as well. So you know, you

539
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: don't know what you're going to do in a particular situation.

540
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: And like when I can remember sitting there like three

541
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 2: or four weeks in and thinking I can't do this,

542
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: and like you know, and that you think, why did

543
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: they cheat in the last seasons? Yeah, I know why

544
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: they cheated because they're bored. They're actually like just like

545
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, you'd actually do anything just to make your

546
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: life a little bit more interesting, or because you don't

547
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: think about it being on TV and how it's going

548
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: to look like to everyone, because you kind of forget

549
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: you're filming a show you really do, and yeah, you

550
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: just kind.

551
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: Of want to like, oh, I don't know.

552
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: But Dave, yeah, he made a really bad mistake, but

553
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: I think he's apologized that he feels really bad about it.

554
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, but you just don't know what you're going

555
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: to do in that sort of situation.

556
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: Not talking about being bored. I don't know if this

557
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: played into the boredom. But you mentioned on your Instagram

558
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: that you and some of the other contestants had a

559
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: relationship with the paparazzi, which I was so interested in

560
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: because you know, we obviously see lots of photos of

561
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: you guys up on sort of Daily Mail and other

562
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: online sites. Can you explain to us how does that

563
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: relationship start and what is the relationship between you guys?

564
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: Oh so the first day, the first day they follow.

565
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: You and it's fear so.

566
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you like you you don't.

567
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's called a relationship yet, but

568
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: well it is. Everything's a relationship. So you basically start

569
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: out and you can react in certain different ways to

570
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: these people because they know who you are. I don't

571
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: know how they know you who you are, but they do.

572
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: And Daily Mail was in the same street that we

573
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: were actually living in. Oh well, so, like was that like,

574
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: how convenient. Yeah, that was really convenient. And so the

575
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: guy from Daily Mail he had to go past our

576
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: building to get lunch, so he'd have his camera with

577
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: him and just take photos anyway, So like the first

578
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: that your producers don't trust him, don't trust them, and

579
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: we hide and do stuff, and then eventually, like you

580
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: might say hello, and then you see them. They followed

581
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: you to like out on your day off, and you're

582
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: like you might have a conversation, you might meet their friends,

583
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: and then basically, yeah, like some people never become friendly

584
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: with them, and some people do.

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: So I feel like it pays to be friends with

586
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: them because the three of us used to work in

587
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: TV media and you're always friends with the camera guy

588
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: because they're going to shoot you and either they're going

589
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: to make you look good or look bad. It's always

590
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: good to have them as a friend. You don't want

591
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: those like double chin angles.

592
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: But but well, I don't know. I really didn't think

593
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: about it. And then like after a while, like you

594
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: see them every day, like they're there every day, and

595
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: he kind of just asked them how are they and

596
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: you start this relationship and then yeah, I don't know.

597
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: It is like and then and you have the opportunity

598
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: to talk about stuff that's really bothering you because you

599
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: know you want it. Like I went through phases where

600
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to get out of the experiment and all

601
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: I want to do is get out, and there's no

602
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: one you can talk to. You can't talk to the

603
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: psyche because then she's telling the producers and you can't

604
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: talk to anyone. And you know, you might say to

605
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: like you talk to you don't really trust your partners

606
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: to tell them, and you talk to a journalist and

607
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: then like, yeah, there's a story.

608
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the psyche is not like they actually have a

609
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: relationship with the producers. It's not someone independent. That's that's

610
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: really disturbing.

611
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, what they have the math psyche that's there

612
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: so for all the dinner parties for like for us,

613
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: but any information that you do share that can be

614
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: shared with the producers as well. Yeah yeah that's so. Yeah.

615
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: And but I went to their doctor and even that

616
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: was shit, so to their GP. So and it's just

617
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: like I don't know if that yeah, because I really

618
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: wanted to go see a different doctor. But anyway, that's

619
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: what happened, and you don't realize until a little while,

620
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: and I didn't even realize the babysitter was a producer

621
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: and like taking notes from all the things we were

622
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: telling them. So wow. Yeah, So like I'm probably naive

623
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: to this stuff anyway.

624
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: But if you've never been on who in their life?

625
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, if I went on a reality show, I

626
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: might be a bit more cluey having worked in TV before.

627
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: But if you're a tea, I can imagine my mum

628
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: going on and she'd have no idea. There's so many

629
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: people that just haven't dealt with TV producers before. How

630
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: are you to know what's going on?

631
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: I know? And the thing is like you just think, well, wow,

632
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm talking to them, and then and then,

633
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 2: like you know, I was missing my family so much,

634
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: and I kept talking about that, and then all of

635
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was allowed a weekend to go home,

636
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, and then I said, oh,

637
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: why am I let to go home? And they said, oh,

638
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Teresa said you were struggling. Okay, all right, we can

639
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: use this to our advantage now. So that was maybe

640
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: something that you'd kind of people worked out.

641
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's talking about the media. There's been a lot

642
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: of articles recently popping up, and they all seem to

643
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: revolve around rumors about work you've had done in your appearance,

644
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: and as women, that kind of does tend to annoy us,

645
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: that it's just focusing on your appearance. But I did

646
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: love your honesty how you came out and said you'd

647
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: had a few was it some fillers and things like

648
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: that because you wanted to do it.

649
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: It's botox? Yeah, so yeah, no, And I said, if

650
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: I have more, like I'll take you on the journey,

651
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: like you can see the whole process. But yeah, because

652
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: I think that with my host, I don't know, like

653
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: someone I had doesn't really like me or they know,

654
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: because yeah, I took that photo with the filter and

655
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: I was lying down and apparently I look like an alien.

656
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: And feeling you were just lying on your back.

657
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: That was, and yeah, and like it's blanked out all

658
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: my things, so all my features. But anyway, I thought

659
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: people use Instagram filters and use filters.

660
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: Who doesn't do that to their photos?

661
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really conscious of it now, I believe me.

662
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: I love it.

663
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: I love that you said that. They because you I

664
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: think it was a Daily Mail article you shared and

665
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: they had some experts say that you altered this, and

666
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: you'd altered that, but I loved your honesty that the

667
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: reason you'd altered it was because he had was it

668
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: bits of white on your black hat, like bits of.

669
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I don't know, yeah, yeah, I've made

670
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: a huge mistake because I have, like you know now,

671
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: like washing my hat with a white town and they're

672
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that, Like that's that's something your

673
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: mom teaches you the first I don't know, she teaches

674
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: you pretty much straight up. I don't watch anything in

675
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: her light house anyway. But then I did and I

676
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: wore that hat and then I just colored it in

677
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: and the coloring in is even really bad. So I

678
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen it. And then then I

679
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: get another another I don't know why, Yeah, I don't

680
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: know what the go is. But then I get another

681
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: story to say, oh, there's a rare photo of her

682
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: unfiltered selfie with no makeup, just like gosh, I wear

683
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: no makeup every day. Yeah, it was on TV that

684
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 2: I did, So I don't know. Yeah, but I've had yeah,

685
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: I have had photos and I probably will get lots

686
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: more because I think it's great and yeah, and I've had.

687
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're turning fifty this year because you

688
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: look bloody amazing before after whenever, like you know, before

689
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: the botox, after the botox, you were looking so good.

690
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so MRD.

691
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: I remember when you're on the show, like the first episode,

692
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not just saying this, you look

693
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: stunning like you absolutely. I think it's just also the

694
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: confidence that you had. And I think what people are

695
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: forgetting is as Amy said, people are surprised that you

696
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: actually are turning fifty. And you know, if some people

697
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: want to use two plastic, sorry, some people want to

698
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: use feelers, other people don't. But I suppose it's not

699
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: like it's a twenty year old that's going out and

700
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: getting feelers, if you know what I mean. Like it's

701
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: something that you should be allowed to do if you

702
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: want to.

703
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: But like if my daughter wanted to get fellers, like

704
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: i'd letter, like you know, and the thing with the

705
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: permanent tattoos, Like we both got our eyebrows done because

706
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: like she's got alopecia so and I don't have very

707
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: much eyebrows either, So yeah, we got that done for

708
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: medical reasons. But then getting the rest done is just convenience.

709
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it just works out quite like it's easy.

710
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: I wake up and I go to work like that.

711
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: Some days I comb my hair and other days I don't.

712
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think that even if you are

713
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: twenty or whatever and you want just a little bit

714
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: of enhancement, like, just do it if you want to.

715
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you don't love yourself. Like I'm not

716
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: changing my nose entirely, or I'm not changing like the

717
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: shape of my eyes. I'm just doing something that makes

718
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: me feel a tiny bit better, just like my hair.

719
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Like I've had blonde hair, I've had black hair, I've

720
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: had purple hair, I've had every color hair, Like, how

721
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: is that different to my face? That's the thing.

722
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: If there's something that bothers you, sometimes it's best just

723
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: to go, Okay, well I really don't like this, and

724
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: if this makes me feel a little bit better. I

725
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: think it's important if the motivation's coming from you. It

726
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: would be different if you were doing something to impress

727
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: someone else. But I think if it's you, you know

728
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: you're helping yourself, and that's something that you really want

729
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: to do, then why not, Like a who are we

730
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: to tell you what to do with yourself.

731
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think. I think everyone has their own

732
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: free will and they can do whatever they want. But

733
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: I know my friend is sick of defending me, like

734
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: why is she wearing makeup at the beach? Why? It's

735
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: just like, that's why I put the picture. I wake

736
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: up like that, I look like I've got makeup, and

737
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: if it wasn't COVID, I have my lashes done, so yeah,

738
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: so then I kind of yeah anyway, but it's and

739
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I look gorgeous when I wake

740
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: up like I feel gorgeous, because that's the best version

741
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: of me right now. But yeah, I'm just showing you

742
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: exactly what I look like.

743
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, we touched on that you're turning fifty later this year, which,

744
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: as we said, we're surprised about. And while you're already,

745
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: in our eyes, very fit and fabulous, we understand that

746
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: you have some big fitness goals that you're wanting to

747
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: achieve by your birthday.

748
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: Yes. So I've actually gained quite a bit of weight

749
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: when I was on Maths. So I gained something like

750
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: thirteen kilos during Maths.

751
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: You couldn't tell you I didn't because I did see

752
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: the file that you put on your Instagram as a comparison,

753
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: but when you're watching, like you definitely don't pick up

754
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: on that.

755
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: Oh really, I think I can see it when I've

756
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: the Hen's Night and then like the final vows, Like

757
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: I think I've got like an additional neck.

758
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's probably just use you know, when you notice yourself.

759
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: But so many people do say they've put on weight

760
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: being on reality shows. On The Bachelor, I know Sam

761
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Frost put and I think she put on about ten

762
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: kilos is it? What do you think it is that?

763
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: Are you eating to comfort yourself because you're away from

764
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: family or what do you think it is?

765
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're eating to comfort you're also eating like

766
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: at odd times, and you're eating whenever you can or

767
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: when they give you food, and you'll eat whatever they

768
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: give you, and you're not in your routine. And I

769
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: know everyone says, oh, you had a gym and stuff

770
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: like that, but we can't use the gym if somebody

771
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: else is using it, and so like, yeah, there's not

772
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: enough time for everyone to go to the gym separately

773
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: or yeah, so we didn't get our normal routines where

774
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: we exercise in the morning and do like those everyday

775
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: things that you would normally do. And yeah, I was

776
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: quite depressed, I can tell you, like quite honestly. I

777
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: got to a really really low place and I started

778
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: eating Haig's chocolate like I was addicted to Haiges's chocolate.

779
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Different so good.

780
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't the Academia crunch bar like you can't

781
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: even I can't even order it online.

782
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: Like I can't even order it to get.

783
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: Here because they don't they won't ship it online. It's

784
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: just like we don't have stores. It's good because I'm

785
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: on this diet.

786
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, because from where we are from South Australia.

787
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we'll have to send you some,

788
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: but maybe not if it's not going to help you.

789
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh well, you can't send me some like I'd really

790
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: love it treat Yeah no, yeah, because I fell in

791
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: love with those bars. I think I'd spend about thirty dollars.

792
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: A day of us. Yeah.

793
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm joking, but you do. And the thing is

794
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: you're like your eating is so sporadic, and you're eating

795
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: like a pie at twelve or one o'clock at night

796
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: and you don't normally do that.

797
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: I can imagine getting like macas on the way home

798
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: from the dinner party. You know those dinner parties that

799
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: drag on and you're hungry by the time you leave

800
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: because it seems so long ago. I feel like that

801
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: would probably be an occurrence on maths.

802
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And if somebody got maccas and you didn't,

803
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: and then you just like try to steal a chip

804
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: or a chicken nugget or whatever. And I hate chicken nuggets,

805
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: but you know why I started eating them.

806
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: So you can't just have one macas chip like you

807
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: you can't stop it.

808
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: But it's just like that. And yeah, I think even

809
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: Hayley said she put on quite a bit of weight.

810
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: I think that a few of us did. Well.

811
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: We were talking before briefly about how the fact that

812
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: you have three sisters, and we were kind of bonding

813
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: about the fact that, you know, I think anyone who

814
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: has sisters knows what it's like. Because my boyfriend gets

815
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: He's always like, what are you guys always arguing and stuff.

816
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's just normal.

817
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: It is. Well, we're not arguing, we're having a discussion, right.

818
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: So you were saying you've got a younger sister, and

819
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: then is it are you in the middle or what's

820
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: it like?

821
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: So there's the three of us that like, there's one

822
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: a year older than me and one that's a year

823
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: younger than me. So I am the middle of the

824
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: first three. And then we've got a little sister that's

825
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: fourteen or fifteen years younger. Wow, and she has all

826
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: the answers, so she knows everything. You just ask her

827
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: listeners everything. So yeah, I should always admit it, so

828
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: you always have one. We have spelling tests, like who

829
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: does like like family dinner, Like we'll sit there and say, okay,

830
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: we're doing spelling tests now because we want to be

831
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: the best.

832
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like spelling b when you can

833
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: ask for the origin of the word or are you

834
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: just given the word?

835
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: No, it's just because Melissa thinks she's a really good speller,

836
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: and so do I. So yeah, And then I got

837
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: my older sister who's very caring and just yeah. And

838
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: then the younger sister signed Sancha, and then Betty she's

839
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: basically she just would give you her heart if she could,

840
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: should do anything for you.

841
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what did they all think about you

842
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: going on the show? Because it kind of seems like

843
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: when you went home, and that was sort of when

844
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: you had that moment where you're like, hang on, I

845
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: think Steve's gaslighting me. Were they helpful in you making

846
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: your decision?

847
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like my mom and my mom's reaction, like

848
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, when I told everyone, my mom had no idea,

849
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: and she thought it was quite genuine. She'd never watch

850
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: the show. Neither had my sisters, so that was a

851
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: real genuine reaction. And they're just like, yeah, so excited

852
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: getting married. And I think the type of people were

853
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: like is because like my mum always told us to

854
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: be nice, be nice, always be nice. If you're not nice,

855
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: then don't be not don't do anything other anyway, And

856
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: it was like, I think it was more my fan

857
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: my friends telling me that I wasn't acting the same.

858
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then my sister and my daughter is.

859
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: My daughter's very pragmatic. She's like so like, yeah, this

860
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: doesn't seem right, No, that's wrong. So yeah, she's black

861
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: and white and just like yeah, tells you. And she's

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Speaker 2: quite smart, that would be helpful. Yeah, she's really good.

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Speaker 2: And Betty's kind of no nonsense as well, and they

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Speaker 2: just said yeah, doesn't sound right, doesn't Yeah, if it

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Speaker 2: like walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then

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Speaker 2: it must be a duck. I don't know so, And

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Speaker 2: that was really like you could see like I don't

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Speaker 2: I can't act like that. I it was so genuine

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Speaker 2: my reaction. It was it's like you see the light

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Speaker 2: bulb just go off. Yeah, in my head at that moment,

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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know so. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what we love so much about you,

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Speaker 1: how genuine you are. And I suppose we got I know,

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Speaker 1: you've got to get back to your police recruit. So

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Speaker 1: we'll probably wrap it up now. But thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. We love chatting. I feel like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, girls, I really really appreciate it.

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