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Speaker 1: We are very excited today to bring you this bonus

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Speaker 1: episode with none other than Amy Girard.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Amy Girard. You may know her from her escapades

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Speaker 2: on Instagram as a mum influencer. Of course, I would

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Speaker 2: say the most asked for mum that we've Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: when we put a call out, they'd be like, who

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Speaker 2: do you want us to speak to?

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Speaker 1: The floodgates opened down and everyone's like Amy Girard. Amy Girard,

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Speaker 1: My sister has been like annoying me for weeks, being like,

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Speaker 1: when are you going to fucking speak to her?

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Speaker 2: Same with my wife. So she's not just a mum

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Speaker 2: influenced she's also an author.

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Speaker 1: Author, podcast host as well, two podcasts being.

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Speaker 3: Beyond the Likes and Beyond the Chaos.

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Speaker 1: Only Chaos both brilliant and I would call her an

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, she's got a lot of fingers in pies, my

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Speaker 2: friend pies.

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Speaker 1: So here it is. Here's the episode.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy.

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Speaker 1: We are about to start recording it. Just as we

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Speaker 1: press start. I don't know if people can hear what's

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Speaker 1: in the background. It's a fucking Whooper Snipper.

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Speaker 3: It's a full blown whip.

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Speaker 1: Roonda my lovely neighbor. Her gardeners have arrived and they

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Speaker 1: are getting stuck into the backyard.

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Speaker 3: She saw a set malp and she was like wow.

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Speaker 3: I was definitely like the neighbor on the other side,

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Speaker 3: She's like, get it out.

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Speaker 1: I can't control everybody buzzing noise. That This is the

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Speaker 1: downside of recording at a home. You get whipper snippers

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Speaker 1: in the background. You do anyway, Welcome back to two

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Speaker 1: doting dads and one doting mum.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my name is Mattie Jay and I'm.

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Speaker 5: Ash and I am Amy Gerard.

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Speaker 3: I really forgot you were.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast all about parenting. It's the good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, and the relatable. And if you have come

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Speaker 1: for any advice, it's not going to happen from myself.

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Speaker 1: Maybe from Amy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, take it with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we always say that too, just to cover us,

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Speaker 2: just so people they'd be like, you're not experts.

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Speaker 1: Sam. Let's go straight into sleep schedules.

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Speaker 2: The hard hitting questions, which is how do you get

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Speaker 2: your kids to sleep?

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Speaker 3: Melt okay, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That's what we have time for. Amy. I have to

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Speaker 1: apologize one for the gardener's next door that's fine. And

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Speaker 1: two for the fact that we've been talking to you

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Speaker 1: about this. I know we spoke. First time was last year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we pushed it back, we did.

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Speaker 1: I got sick.

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Speaker 6: Yep, I got sick.

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Speaker 1: People kept messaging me being like, where the hell is

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Speaker 1: the Amy, but like that be deleted already.

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Speaker 6: I'm always around, And to be honest, I feel like

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Speaker 6: this time is better anyway, because last year I was

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Speaker 2: I scattered if we were calling the podcast curse. He

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Speaker 2: was like, ash, You're never sick. And then we went

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Speaker 2: literally just.

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Speaker 1: Like one of us was always ill. But Todd Wood, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a tickle Amy. Let's let's get right back.

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Speaker 1: I kind of imagine that as a teenager, you would

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Speaker 1: have been someone that was quite a prankster. Have you

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Speaker 1: always been like the funny gal?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the class clown. It's cool.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was very much the tomboy. Didn't have a

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Speaker 6: Grew up with brothers. So I remember a guy asking

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Speaker 6: quite flattered. But the way I said yes was by

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Speaker 2: Now running races on, let's gop open and yes, and

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Speaker 2: now you're married.

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Speaker 5: I didn't marry that one.

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Speaker 6: But yes, definitely a bit of a prankster, always the one,

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Speaker 3: Self deprecating is always nice.

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Speaker 1: Always, that's prizes me. I mean right now people can't

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Speaker 5: But wouldn't be tomboy, not at all, full blown tomboy.

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Speaker 6: I'd look like sideshow bob. I've been like putting forks

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up with dolls at all?

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Speaker 5: We not? No, No, I'm pretty sure that the chainsaw.

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Speaker 1: Out there, he won't be He surely won't be the

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Speaker 3: The window, over the window recording through this. Did you

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 3: I had two brothers, I might explain it a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Two brothers.

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Speaker 6: Spent majority of my childhood outside riding bikes, pushing each

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Speaker 1: So did you have any thought at all of like, oh,

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Speaker 6: Yes, I definitely always wanted to have children. I wanted

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Speaker 6: to have six children. In fact, I had all of

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Speaker 6: their names in a diary.

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Speaker 1: No more, do you remember what the names were.

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Speaker 6: My favorite name of all time has always been Charlie. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So when I fell pregnant, I said to my husband,

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Speaker 5: No, I like Charlie for a girl only.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, I know how you like to wrestle.

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Speaker 3: So you were the class clown ish tomboy. We are

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Speaker 6: I was very academic until I found, not found, but

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Speaker 6: He wasn't a bad boy. He was really nice. I

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Speaker 6: Oh no, they actually called my parents and he's got

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Speaker 6: I was skipping classes. I was Yeah, anyway, there you go.

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Speaker 6: Once you pop, you can't stop right it.

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Speaker 1: Did your parents try and get you back on track?

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Speaker 5: They tried desperately.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What sort of methods did they try?

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Speaker 6: Locking me in my room, that's surrounding me.

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Speaker 3: They're all things that are known to work.

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Speaker 6: Nothing really worked. I used to wait till they went

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Speaker 3: No chastity bell, yeah like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but well, my dad was really strict. He was

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Speaker 1: Do you remember then bringing your boyfriend at the time home.

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Speaker 1: Did he meet your dad?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: How did he respond?

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Speaker 6: No? He was fine, he wasn't. It's a two story

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Speaker 5: We used to call him Big Daz.

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Speaker 6: Nickname because he wasn't big at all. He was beginning boyfriend. No,

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Speaker 6: my dad's big b Oh, there's lots of bigs, right, No, Darren.

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Speaker 6: His nickname was Big Daz or Tripod because he had

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to say.

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Speaker 3: It, so they called yeah.

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Speaker 6: No. He had to.

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Speaker 5: He had to be obviously very respectful.

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Speaker 6: My dad is very big on respect and manners, and

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Speaker 6: do whatever. We dated for two years as well. I

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Speaker 6: don't think he ever stepped foot in my bedroom that your.

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Speaker 3: Dad knows of. Anyway, my dad knows was listening.

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Speaker 6: But what happened, let's never tell my dad about this podcast.

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Speaker 6: All that did was make me go outside of the

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Speaker 6: But in his head he was like, ou out of mind.

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Speaker 6: As long as it's not happening under my roof, I

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Speaker 1: Well, then when did your now husband? Where did he

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Speaker 6: I met Brian when I was twenty eight. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 6: he came over to my house. He met my parents.

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Speaker 6: We were playing a game of winking murder around the table.

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Speaker 1: What is w's winking murder?

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Speaker 6: You divvy out cards and whoever gets I think it's

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Speaker 6: the joker or the king, you're the murderer and then

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Speaker 6: everyone It's quite odd, right, It's a weird game to play,

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Speaker 6: especially when you're introducing your new partner and you're all

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Speaker 3: Ah, and other people have to work out who did that?

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Speaker 1: So why was Ryan in your house at a time?

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Speaker 3: Who initiated that?

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Speaker 6: So we had like a family dinner, Yeah, and he

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Speaker 5: Mum and dad.

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Speaker 3: Very daunting.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So we had the dinner. My brothers were there

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Speaker 6: with their partners. Ryan came over, We played winking murder.

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Speaker 6: Ryan's fiercely competitive. Somehow managed to win Winking Murder, and

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Speaker 1: Interesting because your dad having a prosecutor, you'd think he'd

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Speaker 1: be all over that, what.

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Speaker 6: You would, but you know what, he was all over

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Speaker 6: So Ryan, Ryan does this thing where he gets when

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Speaker 6: he gets really nervous, he gets extra loud and boisterous,

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Speaker 6: he won Winking Murder and he's kind of picked me

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Speaker 6: he slams me over his knee. God like, it didn't

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Speaker 1: I never wanted to touch my daughter.

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Speaker 1: He's quite the hunk.

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Speaker 6: He's. Yeah, look the dark hair and the blue eyes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's key.

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Speaker 6: I think a big component of our marriage is we're

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Speaker 1: I don't want six kids.

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Speaker 3: Also get values like values too.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like you could be happy, go luck,

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Speaker 2: you're having so much funer. Then it's like, I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't believe in that. I think it's really important

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Speaker 3: Fine some sort of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we also love the same things, like we

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Speaker 5: He's an exceptional cook. I'm a fantastic eater.

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Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure I spoke about it on our first date.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I'm not fucking around.

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Speaker 6: I'd just gotten out of a pretty hectic, shitty, toxic

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Speaker 6: And I was like, yeah, I do, Victor. Now right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah at twenty eight as well.

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Speaker 5: Around thirty two, so like early twenties you were.

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Speaker 3: Clog sticken pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Did you plan this is when we're going to have

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Speaker 5: This story is wild. No, nothing was planned.

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Speaker 6: I I didn't make him wait as long as I

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Speaker 6: made Big Das wait, Big Da.

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Speaker 3: Just big Daer did have a decent sized cock.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, Ryan did. I still made him wait a

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Speaker 6: little bit. My thing is if you're into them, you

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Speaker 3: That's actually better than most people today.

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Speaker 6: But we had gone to the city to serf, you know,

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Speaker 5: I was living in Bellby Hill.

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Speaker 1: For anyone who doesn't know outside of Sydney is what

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Speaker 1: It's like fourteen It's massive. Everyone runs and then gets

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it sounds amazing.

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Speaker 6: It's yeah, I definitely don't do the running part. I'm

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Speaker 6: just there to get And so I had been at

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Speaker 6: then we somehow met at Icebergs. It's all a very

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Speaker 5: Was like, wow, like I am so hungover.

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Speaker 6: And he was like yeah, same, and he goes, so,

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Speaker 6: I think you've wet the bed. I was like, what, No,

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Speaker 6: then I've realized, no, it's definitely coming from Amy's side.

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Speaker 5: But I also was just too hungover.

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Speaker 6: He was like, I kind of wanted to leg it,

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Speaker 6: in that very moment, it's all comes down to how

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Speaker 6: I was going to play it right, Like if I

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Speaker 5: Straight to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, I was just like, oh, yes, pissed, did that

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Speaker 5: And I just kind of made a joke about.

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Speaker 3: It, like it always happens.

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Speaker 6: It's a thing in our family, Like it's not in

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Speaker 6: the med it's in the corner. That's what happens after

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Speaker 5: I didn't we on the shower, but I actually didn't

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Speaker 6: And I woke up the next morning, I was like,

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Speaker 6: when I go my hair, like I always think about

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Speaker 6: the Bachelor. You know, you go on these dates and

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Speaker 6: all these girls jump in the water.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, how me. I'd jump in the water.

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Speaker 6: Looking like this, and then I'd come out looking like

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Speaker 6: Hagrid from Harry Potter, right, like full afro, curly hair.

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Speaker 5: Real met and I was like, why the fuck is

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Speaker 6: He was like, oh, we had a shower, and then I

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Speaker 6: spent together off to Flying Star Beautiful. Yeah, you try

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Speaker 6: to get to the first time we had sex was.

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Speaker 1: Going to lead to like getting pregnant.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't get pregnant the first time we.

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Speaker 2: Had set I thought.

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Speaker 5: That did get pregnant very early on.

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Speaker 1: Though, But I'm enjoying the first Let's move to the

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Speaker 6: That's where I got pregnant.

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Speaker 1: And so when you felt pregnant? Was that one planned

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Speaker 6: No, We've been dating for about five and a half months, oh,

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Speaker 6: up with his ex. He was meant to go to Coachella,

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Speaker 5: So he was like, do you want to go on

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Speaker 6: And I was like, sure, with you, it's probably going

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Speaker 6: Santa Barbara, La, over to Mexico, Player del Carmen, onto Tulum.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what best thing we ever did, because

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 6: Right, okay, so we've had this incredible holiday which kind

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Speaker 6: of just cemented our love for each other. Came back,

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Speaker 6: moved together in Surrey Hills, went to the races. I

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Speaker 6: A couple of weeks and my girlfriend tells me that

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be funny?

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Speaker 6: And she's like, oh, I do a test and I

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Speaker 5: Know Ryan's middle name, Like I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, okay, And then I did a test and

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Speaker 6: my eggs were fertilized.

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Speaker 1: We've spoken about this before, very stupidly. Do you pee

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Speaker 3: That's what we said that don't you dip the stick in?

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Speaker 5: So it depends how full my bladdery is.

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Speaker 6: If I know that there's a huge amount of weed

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Speaker 5: But if I know do I need to pee? Do

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Speaker 5: I not? I'll get a cup.

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Speaker 3: Clever, then you can dip it.

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Speaker 2: Look at these two white idiots try to work out

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Speaker 2: shove it across.

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Speaker 3: We were just like, fuck, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I put the stick in, and then you will, and

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Speaker 5: I got the digital ones.

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Speaker 6: So told me that not only I was pregnant, but

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Speaker 6: makes me, I think, I'll say the two plus or

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Speaker 2: When were you living a party lifestyle around then? So

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Speaker 6: I bet my twenties were like a party lifestyle. Lived

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Speaker 5: Good time, I didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 6: I called my mom first, which was a huge mistake

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Speaker 6: would have been to like talk to Ryan face to

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00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 6: face when I got home. But I just sent him

450
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 6: a photo of the pregnancy desk and send it to

451
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 6: him at work and then just waited mid meetings.

452
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 5: Anyway, I was quite taken back. He was pretty excited. Yeah, so.

453
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 6: That was basically how our first child was conceived.

454
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 3: Did you get married before?

455
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 6: It was after He proposed to me when I was

456
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 6: nine months pregnant and looking like.

457
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 5: A whale, a luga whale.

458
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 6: I turned into like a rectangle, so not overly attractive

459
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 6: engagement photos. But we had my daughter in December on

460
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 6: Christmas Eve, and then we got married the following year

461
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 6: in November, so she was at our wedding, which is really.

462
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: Weirdly similar to me. And yeah, we got got engaged

463
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: when she was like eight months pregnant, and then got

464
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: married in Evan. But what that? Oh what it's just

465
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: like looking into.

466
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 3: It also mean on the Bachelor. Wow?

467
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: And then the transition into motherhood was that beautiful? Was

468
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: it elegant? Was it a fairy tale? Was it everything

469
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: you imagined?

470
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 6: Oh?

471
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 5: No, No, I always loved kids.

472
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 6: I love babysitting, I love babies, I love looking after kids.

473
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 6: I was probably a small child myself until I had one,

474
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 6: So I actually thought I was a bit of a

475
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 6: I don't know, a bit confident over cold almost Yeah,

476
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 6: I was like, oh sweet, But the pregnancy ruined me,

477
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 6: and then the birth kind of ruined me. And then

478
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 6: when she came out, she obviously arrived early, she was

479
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 6: thirty seven weeks, she was tiny, she had jaundice. The

480
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 6: midwife was like, you've got a breastfeed her every two hours.

481
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: It's going to sound really dumb here jaundice is.

482
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: When you're I was going to ever grow out of it?

483
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: Yellow kid, I've got a really brown kid and a

484
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: really white kid.

485
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, I feel like you can be the

486
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 6: most confident and prepared as possible, but it still hits

487
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 6: you like a freight train.

488
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 2: We always say that you'll never be prepared enough. No

489
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: matter how much you read or you know or get advice,

490
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: You're never going to be prepared. What's actually going to

491
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: be in front of you when it happens.

492
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think like there's so much contradicting feedback

493
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 6: out there, Like you've got Save our Sleep that tells

494
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 6: you to put them into a routine from birth, and

495
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 6: you've got everyone else saying that it's bloody cruel to

496
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 6: do that and to let them cry out. And so

497
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 6: for everything that you come across, you've got conflicting evidence

498
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 6: as to why you shouldn't do that way. And so

499
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm just going to lean into my

500
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 6: mother's intuition and instinct. And I remember walking in the

501
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 6: door when I got home and I was like, Hey,

502
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 6: where is the manual?

503
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 5: Like what do I do next?

504
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: There's no manual, all instinct, right.

505
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 6: It is instinct, and I think a lot of women

506
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 6: probably do struggle with that because a lot of people

507
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 6: are very heavy, routine based. I've never been routine based.

508
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 6: I'm a bit of a fly by your seat kind

509
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 6: of pants, no, fly by your pants kind of see. Well,

510
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 6: you know what I'm trying to say, and just kind

511
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 6: of go with the flow, which I feel like helps

512
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 6: with motherhood because babies throw so many curveballs.

513
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: When you're getting figured out one week and.

514
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: Change it with that ongoing thing where it's like, oh,

515
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: I slept so good last night, Let's repeat.

516
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: Exactly what we did last night.

517
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: What time did I feed them?

518
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 6: Yes, so it was it was hard. I feel like

519
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 6: any mum who says it's easy would be lying. It's

520
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 6: always a transition, but it does. I feel like the

521
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 6: first six weeks it's just like you're getting used to

522
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 6: your new role. The baby's like, what the fuck? Who's

523
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 6: looking after me? You know, if you're breastfeeding, that can

524
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 6: be quite challenging. Well, so it was intense.

525
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: How can I ask eight years ago now? Yes, what

526
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: was it like back then with men taking matt leave?

527
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Because it's changed quite a lot in recent years. Did

528
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: Ryan get much time off? Work.

529
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 6: He took about two three weeks off, but I mean,

530
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 6: he wasn't that helpful that.

531
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: Was going to be The next question was like how

532
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: did he adapulate?

533
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 6: Like I would rather have had my mom there, just

534
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 6: because I feel like Ryan, he's a simple dude, right

535
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 6: Like if I say to him, hey, can you do

536
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 6: this for me, he'll absolutely do it. But he won't

537
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 6: take the initiative and do it. He's better there, he's

538
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 6: better now.

539
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 3: Sounds like sounds like my house. It was like, if

540
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: I'd ever told you to do it, that's right, you

541
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't do it, that's right.

542
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 5: Whereas my mum would walk in the door and she

543
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 5: just hits the ground running.

544
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 6: She's putting on loads of washing, she's putting on dinner,

545
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 6: she's making the beds, changing the sheets, blah blah blah.

546
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 6: She just she's doing all the things that I.

547
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: Need to do and don't need to ask her.

548
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: So, if there's any dads out there who were making

549
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: just about.

550
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: To become a parent and clear, what.

551
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: Would your advice be to them? What are the things

552
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: they can do to help out with their partner around

553
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: the house.

554
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 5: Just stay on top of the washing for your partner.

555
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: Just one thing.

556
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, just get my list out I would

557
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 6: be doing, especially if your wife is breastfeeding, because the

558
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: onus is all on you. I breastfed Charlie, and again

559
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 6: because she was small and she had breast milk jaundice,

560
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 6: they were like, you need to keep pumping her with

561
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: breast milk. So I was breastfeeding her every two hours

562
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 6: and then burping, changing napp is, settling, and then basically

563
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 6: breastfeeding again.

564
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like a dairy cow.

565
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 6: And so for me, what would have really helped in

566
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 6: that situation would have been if he had just kind

567
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 6: of started, you know, helping around the house with the washing.

568
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: And he was always.

569
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Speaker 6: Pretty good with the food. He makes sure that we

570
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 6: were always fed. But make sure you're fed, make sure

571
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 6: there's always water nearby, stay on top of the the

572
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 6: household judies.

573
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Washing yea. Yeah, there's only like a split second,

574
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: maybe like once every two or three months, where the

575
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: washing is done, and then that shit just piles.

576
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: Right straight away. April does two loads a day. It's crazy.

577
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, sometimes I feel like she's just doing loads

578
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: for the sake of it to happen.

579
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: She's just looking there and it's like two things. And

580
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: then taking the washing out from the war drovee. I'm

581
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: just leave it.

582
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: If I stop now, I won't pick it back up again.

583
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: With your relationship with Ryan, because you guys have been

584
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: together for the five months five minutes. Yeah, obviously you

585
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: then have that time when you're pregnant, but you can't travel.

586
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: You can't you're not the same as you were before pregnancy.

587
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: So you guys, so early on, how did you adjust

588
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: to that change of being, you know, parents, when you've

589
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: only been together for such a short period of time.

590
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny, you asked, because I feel like even

591
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 6: now we've been together for what nine years, and I

592
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 6: feel like I'm still getting to know him. I feel

593
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: like only in the last couple of years have I

594
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 6: been like, wow, like you are quite a slob. Like

595
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 6: I feel like all of this stuff is coming out,

596
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 6: and I think I don't know whether it was a

597
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 6: blessing or a curse. But because I felt pregnant really

598
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 6: early on, and because we had Charlie and then we

599
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 6: got married, and then we had another child, and then

600
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 6: we had another child, and I was just heavily balls

601
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: deep in mum life and stay at home mum life

602
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 6: and had all these kids that I was quite preoccupied with.

603
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 6: Our relationship just coasted along. But now that I'm stepping

604
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 6: away from that a little bit, I'm like, Wow, have

605
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 6: you got irritable.

606
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: Bout you're becoming his mum?

607
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 6: I think I just missed all this stuff. So I'm

608
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 6: kind of getting to still know him. He was a

609
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 6: fantastic partner in terms of taking on parenting head on.

610
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 6: After knowing him for you know, a year or so,

611
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 6: I feel like if I had done it with anybody else,

612
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 6: it would have gone tits up real quick.

613
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 5: I think I knew that.

614
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if I would have had a baby

615
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 6: with anybody else that soon after meeting them. I know

616
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 6: that sounds cliche and corny, but I was meant to be.

617
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: I knew that Ryan was my guy.

618
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: Trying to make up for it after calling him a slow.

619
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: It's pissing on the.

620
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 6: Bed, that's like, and he stayed with me after that.

621
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: If anyone wants to, it's like the easiest way to

622
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: just like sense, check if they're a lifetime partner or not.

623
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: Just piss on them and then wake up and be like,

624
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: what's it going to be?

625
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: Very good?

626
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: And then with baby number two and number three. Obviously

627
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: when you were younger, you wanted to have a family

628
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: of six. After the trials and tribulations of baby number one,

629
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: did you want to jump straight back into being a

630
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: second time mom.

631
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: Yes.

632
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: Charlie was the Dalai Lama. She was a really easy,

633
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: textbook baby. She slept pretty early on. She like, we

634
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 6: breastfed for a year and I loved it. She was chill,

635
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 6: she was a happy little girl.

636
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 5: Well whatever.

637
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: So then yes, we got married and I was like,

638
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 6: let's go for gold. You know, let's keep pumping, you know, six,

639
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 6: five to.

640
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Go, right, If you said five more, I'd be like, whoa.

641
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 6: So then I had my second son, no, my second child, Bobby,

642
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 6: and he was even easier as a baby. He was

643
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 6: an absolute legend. Couldn't breastfeed him. He had a really

644
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 6: severe tongue tie. And the first thing I said when

645
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 6: he came out, he kind of like cannon balled out

646
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 6: of me ninety minutes.

647
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: And they like pulled him up and I.

648
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 6: Was like, where is his chin? He's got a tiny,

649
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 6: teeny tiny little chin and it's quite recessed.

650
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: And it was the first I mean, I love him.

651
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: He's gorgeous.

652
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 6: But I was like, that was the first line that

653
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 6: came out of my mouth.

654
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 5: That I saw him.

655
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: She was like, it's there.

656
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 5: The fuck he's a beautiful baby.

657
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: Amy nice chin man.

658
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 6: So it's the family he's been born into. Like that's

659
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 6: how we show our love with softly bullied.

660
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

661
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 6: So we had quite a lot of issues with him breastfeeding.

662
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 6: I couldn't breasfeed him. He had his tongue TI revised, but.

663
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: That fucking sucks. So I swear breastfeeding. If that's good,

664
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: life is great. If it's bad, that can derail everything everything.

665
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think the biggest thing is if I

666
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: had had because I really wanted to breastfeed and I

667
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 6: loved breastfeeding Charlie.

668
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: We had a great journey with it.

669
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 6: But my thing is all that matters is that the

670
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 6: baby's feded and is happy and I'm happy, and if

671
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 6: that's through breastfeeding, great, And if it's not through breastfeeding,

672
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 6: it's sure shit going to be formula feeding. So I

673
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 6: tried with Bobby, and I tried, and I tried, and

674
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 6: he was just screaming and he wasn't putting on weight.

675
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 6: And my Titi is like volcanoes. They're angry, they want

676
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 6: to be milked, and he just couldn't get it. So

677
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 6: I was basically like milking myself into his mouth. Went

678
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 6: to get his tongue tie revised, and they had like

679
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 6: ultra sounded my boob and he was barely connecting with

680
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 6: my nipple. Revised, snipped his tongue, brought him back two

681
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 6: weeks later, and then he wasn't even connecting with my nipples.

682
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: So it almost sent him backwards. And the lady was like, Hey,

683
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 6: I'm just going to give you too, you straight. You

684
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: will never be able to breastfeed, but his anatomy won't

685
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 6: allow it. His chin is recessed, He's got a tiny

686
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 6: time and so she was like, I mean, if you

687
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 6: want him to have breastmeat, you'll have.

688
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 5: To express every feed.

689
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 6: I also had a twenty two month at home, so

690
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 6: I was like fuck that, straight onto formula. Happiest kid

691
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 6: on earth, slept through the night straight away from eight months. Great,

692
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 6: loved having two kids, super confident, Mum went out, we

693
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: did everything, started a mum's group. Let's go, let's go

694
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 6: for gold with a third. We'd spoken about it.

695
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Ryan was on board.

696
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: Ryan was on board.

697
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 6: Kind of he Ryan's one of two. Ryan was like,

698
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 6: do you want a third? Like two is great? My nan,

699
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: who had six, was like, two is really good.

700
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got six.

701
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: You had six, and she goes, but two is like

702
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 6: you have a really easy life and you've got one.

703
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: Kid's always got one. Parent got too strongly.

704
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 6: I do understand what she's saying now, because three is

705
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I was one of three, but I do

706
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 6: always feel like with three one kind of sometimes gets

707
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 6: a little bit left out.

708
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: Which one is it?

709
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 6: It's always the middle child?

710
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: Is it just you the middle child? You're bang in

711
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: the middle of five? Though everyone forgot man, were you

712
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: fourth or sex?

713
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 5: Smack bang in the middle.

714
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's tough.

715
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 5: You're right, you want to talk about it.

716
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: I'm one of two and I'm the favorite.

717
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was the first one.

718
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's like it's funny. Where at the

719
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: point now Ash has had the snip where debating whether

720
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: or not to go for a third Yep, And it's

721
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: not me or I yeah, like is it good or bad?

722
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: Give it to me straight?

723
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 6: Well, listen, I had all three under four years, so

724
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 6: my I did want four, but I also wanted four

725
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 6: when I had one at school, so I only ever

726
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 6: really wanted two at home.

727
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: That was the game plan. It didn't work out like that.

728
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I know how babies are created, but I

729
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: also am pretty in tune with my cycle, and I

730
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 6: know when the danger zone is and wh're not.

731
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: And I distinctly remember Ryan and I.

732
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: Say that and you got pregnant accident.

733
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what the danger zone is.

734
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: I think we all know where the danger zone is.

735
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 6: But I distinctly remember Ryan and I having some adult

736
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 6: fun one night and I said to him. He was like, oh,

737
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 6: should I pull out? And I was like, yeah, just

738
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 6: to be safe, and he was like, I thought.

739
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: We were playing the winking I'm sorry, and then sure, shit.

740
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 6: I was pregnant with Kobe. So when my third was born,

741
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 6: Charlie was only three years old and three and eight

742
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 6: months three at home absolutely pushed me over the edge.

743
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 6: I do have girlfriends who have three when the first

744
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 6: one or the first two are at school, and they

745
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: love it. It's chaos, but it's good, like it's a

746
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 6: I feel like it's a noisy house. I also feel

747
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 6: like it's the boys like for me, Charlie again. Dalai

748
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 6: Lama up fingerpainting in her room makes no noise. But

749
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 6: my boys do not stop fighting. So it's like WWA

750
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 6: wrestling all day every time.

751
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like as they get older too, it's just

752
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: going to be like then they'll get like all sudden,

753
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: all this testosterone. Then I'll go in to pubery and

754
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: I'll be in the house beating each other up.

755
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 6: Yeap, yeah, well they already do that.

756
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

757
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: My kind of routine at the moment is the girls

758
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: aren't in daycare on Thursdays, in daycare every other day,

759
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: but sometimes like recently, Marley was six, so I had

760
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And I absolutely love my

761
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: children to dath, but Monday morning sending them off to daycare, I'm.

762
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 5: Like, hellelujah.

763
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.

764
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: I always think, like full time stay at home parents,

765
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: especially to three kids, like when you're battling, when you're exhausted,

766
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: when the kids are being a nightmare, how do you

767
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of pull yourself out of that rut?

768
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: Can I tell you When I had Charlie and then

769
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 6: I had Bobby and Kobe, and I was a stay

770
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 6: at home mum. I had fully immersed myself into that

771
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: and I knew no different, right. I actually feel like

772
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 6: what I'm doing now is harder because I'm one foot out,

773
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 6: but I've still got Kobe Monday and Tuesday. And then

774
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 6: what I'm still doing is I'm still doing all the

775
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 6: stay at home mum shit.

776
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 5: So I'm still doing all the school lunches and.

777
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 6: The dropping to school and then picking them up from

778
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: school and the extracurriculum activities and all of that kind

779
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 6: of stuff. But I'm also working. So all I've done

780
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 6: is increase my workload. But when I was just a

781
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: state at home mum, it is relentless, but I was

782
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 6: so used to it, I knew no difference, So I

783
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: was kind of just like, I made sure that I

784
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 6: was always getting out play days, mums, group fucking rhyme

785
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 6: and time as long as I had other moms there,

786
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 6: and I was always trying to converse with adults, it

787
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 6: was fine.

788
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: Kids are always around house.

789
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 6: Always looked like I've bin ransacked by bin chickens, but

790
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 6: it was fine. Whereas now and I'm loving my work

791
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 6: and I'm loving being able to jump onto the podcast

792
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: and talk and be creative on socials and all that

793
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. But then trying to switch back into

794
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 6: mum mode. It's that I find quite difficult.

795
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's the balance, Like, yeah, I suppose

796
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: that you're saying you're fully focused on one thing, it's

797
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: much easier.

798
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: But if you're half focused on something, that's kind of like, I.

799
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 5: Feel like I'm doing everything in my life. Yeah, at

800
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 5: fifty percent.

801
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: But also it's like your work. The schedule is always changing,

802
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: so it's not as if your work can be confined

803
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: to just one day, like on a Wednesday, because it's

804
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: always going to spill out to the other day. So

805
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: if you're trying to hang out with your child and

806
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, your phone's ringing and then

807
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: you've got emails and.

808
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: You tat Nash, you got to go and record.

809
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's exactly right as well, like with Instagram

810
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 6: and content creating, there's no structure and writing the book,

811
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 6: I just had to write it around my kids and

812
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 6: podcasting and trying to get guests on and the emails

813
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 6: are constantly going off, so you're trying to be a

814
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 6: present parent, but you're also like, I would rather be

815
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 6: doing my emails because I don't want to play cafe

816
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: with you for the.

817
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: Time, and you really.

818
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes you catch yourself and you're like, fuck, I can

819
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: do this later, yeah, and then ten seconds later your baculate,

820
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: I could do this now.

821
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: So here is cocomelon.

822
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

823
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask about Charlie and her relationship with

824
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: your husband, because I've spoken a lot about the fact

825
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: that Lola, who's my second born, absolutely hates me, hates

826
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: me so much, yeah, but will kick me in the

827
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: face on purpose multiple times if I even look at

828
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: her when she's in our bed. And you've mentioned that

829
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: Charlie and Ryan don't quiet get along as well as

830
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: the other kids.

831
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 5: She's not as violent as Lola.

832
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 6: But Charlie, even from birth, has just been a mummies girl,

833
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 6: through it through. It's not even she has an aversion

834
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 6: to her dad. She just doesn't. She kin'd of just

835
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 6: not interested in men. Great, let's hold onto that.

836
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: Let's be like.

837
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 6: Ryan, so I think as well, because we are done

838
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 6: having kids. Ryan when it had the snip after the

839
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 6: third Ryan desperately wants to have a little daddy's girl,

840
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 6: and the more he tries, the more she.

841
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: Is just pushing back on him.

842
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: You can smell the desperation she can a mile away.

843
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 6: She's also start she's very switched on now, so now

844
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 6: she uses it to her advantage. So if I am

845
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 6: going out or something and she's like, you know, Lev,

846
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: you're not going leaving me with Dad, and she is

847
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 6: so familiar, and then Ryan will be like, but Charlie, Charlie,

848
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 6: I'll let you stay up. Like you can have vice cream,

849
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 6: you can have desperation, you can watch, you can watch YouTube.

850
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 5: Kids are an extra hour.

851
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 6: And she's like, if I say no to things, which

852
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 6: I say no to her a lot of times she

853
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 6: goes and ask.

854
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 5: Dad anything she wants.

855
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 6: Like the bribing of Charlie to to get her to

856
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 6: love him is pathetic.

857
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 5: And it doesn't work.

858
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 6: I can say, only him, Ryan, it's not working, Like

859
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 6: maybe just play it cool and let her.

860
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 5: Come to you, but he can't. I don't know what

861
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: it is. She's even like that with my dad, with

862
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 5: her pa. She's a girly girl. She loves the girls,

863
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 5: she loves the Army.

864
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: What you're saying, keep working at it.

865
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: But it's comforting to know there's other dads out there

866
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: going through it, but also ship to know that.

867
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 3: Also, just don't be desperate treated me and keeping keen.

868
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: Maybe you've got to try that, said that to him.

869
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's treated me and he he doesn't know

870
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 6: how to quite do that. Like he'll get really angry

871
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: at her and then she's hysteric, crying in tears, and

872
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 6: I was like, oh.

873
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: It just made it worse. Yeah, yeah, but you.

874
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 6: Know what, I was a bit like that. I'm actually

875
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 6: only close now with my dad and.

876
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: I what age did that kind of start to shift?

877
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 6: Shifted when I moved out, when I stopped living with

878
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 6: You've got.

879
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: A long way to go, But I have faith because

880
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: I feel like she's she hasn't always been like this, right.

881
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: She did used to love like I've seen footage of

882
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: them together and it was like there was love there

883
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: and just lately, so I think that you've got an opportunity.

884
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: What Amy's saying is from day dot, girly girl, I

885
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: think you've got an opportunity to turn it around.

886
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 6: Did something happen?

887
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah, did you drop her?

888
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: I think the dummy well kind of similar to your situation.

889
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: It was always a case of like from birth, I

890
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: couldn't really settle her. It was always Laura. She would

891
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: only and then she didn't sleep that well in the

892
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: cot would sleep in your arms, but not in my arms,

893
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: in Laura's arms. So it was always a case of

894
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: she definitely preferred mum. But then the real changer was

895
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: when we took away the dummy, and that was just like.

896
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't me, it was he got blamed though. I

897
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: think it was kind of like I remember we were

898
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: recording over that time. It was close to Christmas and

899
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: like it was it was very tense about yeah, yeah,

900
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: and then you had to give.

901
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: It back eventually, didn't you.

902
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: We folded, folded, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

903
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: I was just with some friends on the weekend. It

904
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: did the similar to you, like the Santa thing, and

905
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: then they folded baby and they were like.

906
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: Nah, dummies is one that was really really hard. Is

907
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: it any part of parenting, like big transitions that you've

908
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: struggled with?

909
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 6: Charlie had a dummy, But this is probably where I

910
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 6: went wrong as a first time mum. I had given

911
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 6: her a dummy, not just for sleep, just for at

912
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 6: any point on the day.

913
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, for sure, it's kind of like

914
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: a mute button.

915
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 6: She would be sitting on the couch just watching the Wiggles.

916
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 6: I'm like, dummy, I don't know why and so she

917
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 6: was like a dummy addict. And then at about eight

918
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 6: months I found I had I had put about forty

919
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 6: dummies in her cot because she would wake up and

920
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 6: she'd be looking for it.

921
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 5: So I was like, here you go, here's forty of them.

922
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 6: I'll scatter them around and she would just pick them

923
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 6: up and she just throw them out of the cot. Mam,

924
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 6: pick them up, throw them out of cot. And I

925
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 6: remember ringing Chicillian and they were like, you're gonna have

926
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 6: to wean her off the dummy k because she's playing

927
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: with you now. Even when we were at Westfield, she'd

928
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 6: put it in, she just throw it and so I'd

929
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 6: be like, oh, he's another one. I've got forty of

930
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 6: them in my back and just throw it. So I

931
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 6: was talking to my mom about it, my mom mother Teresa,

932
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: a but also very tough love. I said, I've got

933
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 6: to win Charlie off the dummies.

934
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 5: But I'm a massive pussy.

935
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 6: Like and I love sleep, so I can't do the

936
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 6: first night and she was like, bring around, and so

937
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 6: I remember I was like perfect. I had a wedding

938
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 6: to go to. Mum was already going to be babysitting

939
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 6: and Mom was like, I'll do the first night for you.

940
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 5: My mom was up the.

941
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 6: Entire night and she was just settling her without the dummy.

942
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 6: And I got there the next day and she was

943
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 6: like bags under her eyes, and she said, don't you

944
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 6: dare give her a dummy tonight. I've done the first night.

945
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 6: I've broken the camel's back for you. You got a hold firm.

946
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 6: And so the second night it was.

947
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 5: My mom would have killed me. The second night was

948
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 5: a little bit.

949
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 6: Tough, and she did wake a couple of times, and

950
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 6: I just went in and suited her.

951
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 5: Third night she slept straight through.

952
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: There you go it. I mean, I don't know if

953
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: that was it. You were more than that.

954
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.

955
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: We did a couple of weeks and then it just

956
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks would have broken me.

957
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 6: I would have been like, have all stiffy tape one

958
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 6: to your mouth.

959
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: I never had that problem. I thankfully. Once we just

960
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: took them off, that was it.

961
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny because with the boys they were so easy.

962
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: With Bobby, I was like, fuck, I'm not making that

963
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 6: mistake again. So his dummy was only for bedtime.

964
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 5: And then when.

965
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 6: Bobby was about three, I was like Hey, buddy, it's Easter,

966
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 6: and what happens tonight is Easter Bunny comes around and

967
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 6: he collect every single dummy and he takes them to

968
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 6: all the newborn babies, and.

969
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: So let's go around.

970
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 6: We collected every single dummy of his and I said,

971
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 6: and we'll put it in the basket and then he

972
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 6: might leave you some chocolate instead, and he asked yep.

973
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 6: He asked for it once the next night, and then

974
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 6: never again. And then Kobe again had the dummy for sleep.

975
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 6: And then when he got a big boy bed at two,

976
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 6: which was the worst mistake of my life, I was like, hey,

977
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 6: they were sharing a room. I was like, Bobby's got

978
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 6: a big boy bed. You've got a big boy bed.

979
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 6: Now dummy's gone, and he was like, yeah, big boy

980
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 6: threw the dummy at me, never asked for it again.

981
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 6: The boys were surprisingly really easy. Yeah.

982
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: I don't even remember Macie having a dummy, to be honest,

983
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: Oscar had it more, but like I only really young,

984
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: and then he sort of I don't really recall.

985
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know if it was hard work.

986
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: As I know, you have to head off very soon.

987
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I actually do have a couple of listening questions before

988
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: you go, if I can just fire them at you. Yeah,

989
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: the first one is one that I don't understand, but

990
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: you might. I hope you can enlighten me, they said.

991
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: Ask her about the pair?

992
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, actually April. April asked me the same thing.

993
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: What's the pair?

994
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 6: Pair?

995
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: We have a pair at home, do you what's the pair?

996
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 6: Is an incredible Let's call it a sex toy, because

997
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 6: that's what it is. But it's not like a big, phalic,

998
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 6: pink looking thing that you ram up inside you. It

999
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 6: could pass as a paperweight. It is in the shape

1000
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 6: of a pair. It's called the Essential Vibe, but I

1001
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 6: nicknamed it the Pair about two years ago.

1002
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 5: And it is stuck.

1003
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those suction ones. No, I've actually never

1004
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: used a toy.

1005
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: When you come over and excellent use my wife.

1006
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 5: No, it's not for you, although you could probably press

1007
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: it against.

1008
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: Your I've never used a toy with Laura.

1009
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 5: You need to get her a pair. You might become redundant.

1010
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 6: Though.

1011
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 5: It's a good time. Does April like it?

1012
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

1013
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Loves it?

1014
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1015
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: Do you use it?

1016
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: Yeah? So you use it together?

1017
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: How during during?

1018
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Not on yourself?

1019
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 6: No? No, No, it's waterproof, so we take it in

1020
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 6: the shower.

1021
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 5: Is this appropriate for a parenting?

1022
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 3: Appropriate mums?

1023
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 5: All moms need the pair Amy fifth.

1024
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: Good guys, we'll put in the notes of the show.

1025
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: What's your biggest fear?

1026
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 6: My biggest fear is losing my parents because I am

1027
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 6: a small child all of a sudden, all over again.

1028
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1029
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 6: I think when I had my own children, I was like, well,

1030
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 6: I was such an asshole to my mom and dad

1031
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 6: and I love them so much and they were so

1032
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 6: good to me, and I have I always respected them

1033
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 6: and I've always loved them, but I have so much

1034
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 6: more respect since becoming a parent myself, and I will

1035
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 6: perish when they pass on.

1036
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like, now my mom is seventy three.

1037
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: She just left the house before we started recording, and

1038
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, you're really old.

1039
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 6: Yes, my dad just had a birthday and I rang

1040
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 6: him to say happy birthday.

1041
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: Was it was like, do you know how old I am?

1042
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 6: I was like sixty one, sixty two and he was

1043
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: like plus six and I was like, what, you're sixty eight?

1044
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: All yeah?

1045
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, I felt weirdly anxious about it.

1046
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 3: Don't no one startle him?

1047
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Very last question is from Madeline, and she says, what

1048
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: is the secret to successfully juggling everything? Fuck?

1049
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1050
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: I would live.

1051
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: One of those parents who was nailing the juggle being

1052
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: a mum, but also then doing multiple other projects. For example,

1053
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: after this, you're going to go straight into recording the

1054
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: audio book.

1055
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, for your book.

1056
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 6: No, I'm going to the podcast tomorrow. I actually don't

1057
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 6: think there is a secret to it. I actually don't

1058
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 6: think anybody knows the answer. I think every mum and parent,

1059
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 6: every dad out there as well. I think everybody's always

1060
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 6: just doing the best that they can. It's funny because

1061
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 6: Madeline is it. Maddie obviously perceives me to be able

1062
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 6: to like she probably thinks that I'm doing a really

1063
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 6: great job at juggling it. I mean, I sent my

1064
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 6: kids to school in the wrong uniform yesterday. I am

1065
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 6: constantly dropping balls, and I get riddled with guilt. I'm like, oh,

1066
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 6: I didn't you know. I didn't get back to this

1067
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 6: email in time. And I also didn't spend enough time

1068
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 6: with one of my kids, and one always feels left out.

1069
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 6: And I've seen with Ryan again, I have served nuggets

1070
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 6: for like five nights in a row, and there's no

1071
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 6: I'm definitely not juggling. I don't think anybody is. I

1072
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 6: think we're all just doing the best we can.

1073
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: That's all you can do.

1074
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: You're constantly working at it, right, and next year it's

1075
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: going to be completely different because your kid's going to

1076
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: be older.

1077
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

1078
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: Goes back to when you said if any parent out

1079
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: there says that it's easy.

1080
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: And Matt mentioned your book. You've got a book that's

1081
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: currently pre sale yourself in.

1082
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.

1083
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 6: Myself.

1084
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: Although you can get no work done into that pair.

1085
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 6: Strap yourself in. Yes, that is my biggest achievement. I

1086
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 6: mean after having three children. Of course that was hard.

1087
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 6: That was a hard.

1088
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: Slog writing that.

1089
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 6: But I think it will be a good read. It's

1090
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: mostly for women, I'm going to probably say that. And

1091
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 6: it's not just a parenting book. It's all about the

1092
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: expectations that we have that we put on ourselves sometimes

1093
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: in life and what the reality of them actually look

1094
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 6: like and how they never fucking marry up right. But

1095
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 6: it's not just parenting and stuff. It's it's marriage. You know,

1096
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 6: what we thought marriage was going to look like versus

1097
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 6: what it really is like. And your sex life and

1098
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 6: your career and friendships and all of that kind of stuff.

1099
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: So and it's it's not out right now, but it's available.

1100
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: For pre It is available for pre sale. It is

1101
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: coming out on the third of April. There'll be a

1102
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: few little a huge pr schedule, which is wild Na

1103
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 6: will be there.

1104
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you better be as.

1105
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Two of your biggest male supporters.

1106
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to bring my par along, bring your.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and get ge Laura a pair.

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Speaker 3: We'll add a link to the presale in the show

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Speaker 3: notes for.

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Speaker 1: Amy Gerard, thank you so much and sorry it's taken

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Speaker 1: so long to sit down and get this interview done,

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Speaker 1: but it's been an absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Than you so much for coming. You appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: If you've liked this episode, please of course leave a

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Speaker 2: little review on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where We've started getting some really nice reviews? Spotify?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you can do it there too, do it on both.

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Speaker 1: I mean you asked my preferences is the old Apple podcast.

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Speaker 1: But mate, some lovely reviews that I've read read through.

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Speaker 1: You should have a look. They will fill your cup

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Speaker 1: right up good.

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Speaker 2: And we also mentioned in that episode that Amy has

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Speaker 2: a book on presale, so we'll also put that in

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Speaker 2: the show notes for you as well. Maybe we'll check

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Speaker 2: that little pair discount play in there as well.

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Speaker 1: Was keen to sink their teeth into pair for one

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Speaker 1: of the ras?

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Speaker 3: Very good And.

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Speaker 1: If there's any other mums or dads you would like

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Speaker 1: us to interview, please throw your suggestions waging. We'll do

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Speaker 1: our best to make it happen and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: guys next Wednesday for a normal f Thank Give F

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Speaker 1: two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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Speaker 1: throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea and community.

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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all.

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Speaker 3: Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander peoples today. This episode was recorded

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Speaker 3: on gadagal Land