WEBVTT - How to be unapologetically yourself & have meaningful conversations with Flex Mami 👑 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.680 Part of what I'm learning in therapy is that I 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.160 have this preoccupation with control, and that I feel as 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.440 though I have the ability and the free will to 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.360 control my outcome and my environment and all that good stuff. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:12.040 And I do to a point. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.520 But I think what some people forget to let you 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.319 know about making choices that you're only responsible for half 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.760 of the result. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:21.920 You can do the exact right. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.000 Thing, say in the exact right way, produce it in 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.240 the exact right way, and it still might not work 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.080 because you can't control how other people perceive you, or 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.360 your ideas or your experiences. So when you are building 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.920 a sense of trust in yourself, do it knowing that 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.879 you can't control the outcome, but that you can only 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.840 set yourself up just enough to ensure that you've done 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.559 everything on your part to make sure it happens with 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.840 the way that you intend. But you can also build 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.120 resilience to keep going if it doesn't work the first 0:00:51.120 --> 0:01:02.560 time you try. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.959 Welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm your host, 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:12.200 Georgie Stevenson, former lawyer turned entrepreneur, social media personality and 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.600 personal development junkie. This podcast is for my girl gang 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.360 who want to feed their mind with positive and expansive 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.600 thoughts to help them step into their power and live 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.280 their most authentic life. We chat a variety of topics 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:32.920 including mindset, business, relationships, health, and so much more. Basically, 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.760 wherever you are on your journey, I want to help 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.520 you feel inspired and empowered to rise up and conquer 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.360 your next bold move. I know that's going to look 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.399 different for everyone, but just no, I'm right here by 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.920 your side, and that you have the RNC community behind you, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:02:00.920 let's do this. Hello and welcome to the Rise and 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.720 Conquer Podcast. It is your host, Georgie, and today I 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:09.640 am joined by the marvelous Lily Ahinken. But you probably 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.360 know her as flex Mammy on Instagram. So Flex is 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.120 in an absolute ray of sunshine. She brings light to 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.240 so many important issues and she's just a really great 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.880 person to have a chat with, as you will soon 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.680 find out in this episode. So Flex is definitely someone 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:33.239 you could call multi passionate. She's an influencer, a business owner, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:39.520 dj TV presenter, podcaster, author, model, and I'm sure more things. 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.760 She certainly has so many achievements under her belt, and 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.120 we do chat in the podcast how she is definitely 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.520 a high achiever and that is her type, I guess. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:51.120 So. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:56.360 She's also a creator of the incredible company called flex Factory, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.320 which sells so many different things. I actually I remember 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.440 the first thing I bought off flex Factory was chicken salt. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.520 And also I have bought her conversation games. But this 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.040 website sells so many fun games. And she's also given 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.040 us a code at the end, so make sure you 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.040 listen for that. In the chat, we talk about her 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.040 brand new book that is now out on pre order 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.080 and that comes out a bit later in the year 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.440 and the title is The Success Experiments. We get into 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.280 what her book is about and what success means to her. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:37.720 We also chat about how she got into the industry, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.880 her leap from PR to being a DJ to where 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:47.400 she is now, and just a whole bunch of other topics. Honestly, 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:53.440 I loved, loved, loved this episode with Flex, and we 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.280 also did like a quick fire questions with her conversation 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.720 cards at the end too. So really fun, really interesting. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.920 You guys are going to love this, so I really 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.760 hope you enjoy the podcast. Let's get straight into it. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:11.400 Lillian aka Flex, Welcome to the Rising Counker podcast. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:11.840 Thank you. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.280 I'm so excited you're here and we're going to chat 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:22.400 all things, your new book, business, your cards, lots and 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.680 lots of things. But before we get into that, do 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.000 you want to just give the audience a bit of 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.320 a rundown of who you are and what you do. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.839 Yeah, that's a good one. So my name is technically Lillian, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.120 but I think that most people would know me by 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:40.400 Flex in terms of what I do. Again, I feel 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.520 like based on where you know me from, you'd have 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.200 a different opinion of what I do. But if I 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.320 had to list out my CV, I would be a 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:56.000 TV presenter, a DJ, a podcaster, an author, a model, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:01.039 an influencer, and a business owner of a online store 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:05.359 called Flex Factory that sells predominantly conversation card games that 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.799 help you have chit chats that actually matter. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:15.960 You are definitely a multi passionate person, which I absolutely love, 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.440 and I was so interested. So I remember I started 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.080 following you maybe a couple of years ago, where you 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.840 were more in the DJ space and you had just 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.920 launched the Flex Store, and I remember my first purchase 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.400 from you was the chicken salt. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.840 Yeah. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:37.200 Yeah, it's interesting because which is it's wild that like 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.680 chicken salt right, it's odd, but I you're right, I 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.480 do have like an entrepreneurial spirit, and it's one of 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.400 those things where if you know me from DJing, the transition. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.920 Seems really bizarre because you're thinking, what's a DJ doing 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.120 doing all of these other things? But I think I 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:56.560 know that I am a DJ by career, not by passion. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.360 So I'm not someone who's like. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.680 Oh, music is like the one thing that I just love. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.480 I was given an opportunity when I was younger to DJ, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.520 and I did it, and I was able to turn 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.039 it into a career. So I see the confusion for 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.400 a lot of people, but it's the same kind of 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.599 mentality I use for most things. I was given an 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.880 opportunity or I saw an opportunity and I just did it. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.400 No, I absolutely love that, and I love that you 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.560 actually pointed that out because I think sometimes people think, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.839 if they, you know, are going to go out and 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.400 do something, it has to be their one and only passion, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:31.800 it has to be the thing they do for the 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.960 rest of their life, and there's almost like a lot 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.880 of pressure on it. Whereas I know kind of your background, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.520 where like you said, it was an opportunity, it popped up, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.440 you took it. It led to many other cool things, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:43.919 and I know you kind of still do it on 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.279 the side. Do you want to tell us about the 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.600 journey from I know you started in like PR and 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.719 then you went to a DJ and now you have 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.479 your own business. Tell us how you got to where 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:55.160 you currently are. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.560 Yeah, I would say, I mean it's it's a very 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.479 long window story that doesn't make a lot of sense. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.920 But basically the way it started. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.599 Was I was working in PR and digital marketing because 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.880 I watched the hills and thought that it looked cool. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.320 There was no really rhyme or reason. And because I 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.680 didn't have a good understanding of the business landscape, I 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.480 was really unprepared for how hard it was going to be. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.559 And I'm not a behind the scenes type of girly. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.520 I like to take credit for my work, and that's 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.960 not what PR is. PR is doing everything, getting it done, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.040 and the only way you get credit is if you 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.080 win an award. So I recognize that I'm also someone 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.800 who can put a lot of effort, and I garner 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.840 a lot of my self worth from my output, and 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.480 I create a lot of value from what I do 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.240 not necessarily who I am, and so I recognized when 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.280 I was about twenty that I just needed a hobby 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.280 or something to distract me from kind of like the 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:57.200 monotony of this day job. So I wasn't drinking. I mean, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.280 I don't drink, so I was going out a lot still, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.960 but really felt like, gosh, this gets boring when you're 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.920 not drinking. So I thought like it would be sick 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.280 if I could just have a I could get paid 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.400 to be here. And I had some friends who adore 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.520 girls who got paid to be in the club, so 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:13.480 I was like, I want to do what you do. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:14.680 So I did that. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.840 Met some guys who were promoters, and I offered to 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.400 help them with some pr and some business management. And 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.040 essentially the thing that catapulted it all was that they 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.760 were I was a door girl from nine to three am, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.840 but from nine to midnight I didn't really have a 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.440 job because it was free entry, so I would just 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.040 stand around talking to promoters all night. And these promoters 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.640 were hosting this event and they had DJs from nine 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.560 to midnight, DJs they were paying for. And I was saying, 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.360 you know, that's a really bad use of your money. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.240 Because nobody's here, but you're you know, your expenses are 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.680 so high because you know you're paying for people to 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.640 be here, So why don't you just DJ and do 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.360 it for free save yourself and your business and money. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:56.920 And they were like, oh yeah, but no, we don't 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.760 really want to do that. We want to, you know, 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.559 amplify other PEO people. And I was like that sounds good. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.600 I'm like, I want to DJ then if that's the case, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.720 and they said, well, you don't know how to, and 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.000 I said, well I could learn. So the combination of 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:15.480 YouTube those guys teaching me my brothers also knows how 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.480 to produce music. And then suddenly, because I was have 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.920 always been an outlandish dresser and you know, a person 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.000 who's been interesting to look at people, just they bought 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.480 into that. They were like, great, now we can have 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.520 you at our club with your interesting looks and your 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.800 interesting friends, and that'll encourage other interesting people to come 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.240 to this club. And it did, and so before you 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.800 knew it, within three to six months, I was doing 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.000 maybe like twenty five hours of DJing a week, which 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.840 is starting to cannibalize into my day job. And for 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.880 the first time I was like, I could do something risky, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.160 you know, I could just quit my job and do 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.480 this thing and be a DJ. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.600 How ridiculous, And. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.800 I was like, whatever worst case scenario, if it doesn't 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.440 work out, I can just you know, go back and 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.199 get a real job. But it did work out, and 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.120 ever since then, I've just been kind of I don't 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.680 even know if they're risky moves because they're calculated to 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:18.000 some degree, but I've just been accepting opportunities when they 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.600 present themselves because really, the worst that could happen is 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.360 that I have to go and get a quote unquote 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:24.520 real job. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.400 I quote unquote real job. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:28.840 I love that. 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.360 I think when you say the whole you don't know 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.200 if they are risks, I think they one hundred percent 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:40.000 are because in society's eyes, like to do something like that, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.040 it's like a oh what is she doing? This might 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.280 waste time, it's not a quote unquote real job. So 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.360 to a lot of people it is a huge, huge risk. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.920 But I think for you, you're like, yeah, like let's 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.880 do this, Let's see what comes and do you find that, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.079 Like after you took that initial risk with the DJing, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.679 that kind of taking risks got easier. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.240 Absolutely, I felt invincible. I was like, let's line it up, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.040 what else can I do? Because it did get easier, 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.400 because it was it became a really clear proof of concept. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.640 I did something that was risky and it worked out 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.360 and it was beneficial, and it wasn't as hard as 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.640 I had thought it was going to be. And that's 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.120 not because the industry itself isn't a difficult one. It 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.720 is really hard to become skilled and to market yourself 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.840 and to monetize a creative skill. But I think my 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.680 insecurities were and my projections of what it could be 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.880 like were far more difficult. And so yeah, it made 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:44.560 me invincible, But it also instilled me with a different 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.679 sense of confidence, the confidence to try, which I think 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.200 a lot of people struggle with because they wrap up 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.080 a lot of their identity in the sphere of failing. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.520 Whereas I recognized that I'm going to probably fail quite 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.800 a bit, but who cares, nobody's going to remain. People 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.839 barely remember your success, let alone your failure. Just keep 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.199 going at it. Honestly, I really think people only remember 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.120 what sticks because it's sticky, and the rest just becomes 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.600 a figment of the imagination. 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:14.439 I really believe that. 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.280 I love that little rant, and I couldn't agree more. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.080 I come from a background, Lilian, where I left my 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.360 corporate law job to continue you know, on social media 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.560 and then start my couple of businesses. And I remember 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.280 I had, you know, done six years of study, got 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.840 to that end point, done my pelty, got admitted, you know, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.520 to the bar or whatever they call it, and I 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.040 remember people being like, are you serious, Like they just 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.240 couldn't fathom in their head taking a different step. But 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.560 for me, I was just like in my knowing of 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.560 like it was so risky and so like it wasn't 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.280 necessarily easy, but one hundred percent I do agree. Like 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.880 then once you do that risky thing and you take 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:03.000 it and you have that sort of feeling of like 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.439 I can literally do anything, and also it's like yeah, yeah, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:12.439 it's that feeling of like no, kind of like what's 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.920 the worst that could happen? But also I remember that 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.240 feeling of if I don't try this, I think I'm 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.840 going to regret it, which for me was like too heavy. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.720 Then the absolutely and I personally think indecision is a 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.920 far It's a far harder place to be than making 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.040 a choice and sticking with it. Conviction is really easy 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.600 because you only have yourself to blame if things go 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.000 left or right, if things go good or bad, if 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:41.960 things are right and wrong. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.200 But it's the indecision. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.800 That plagues you because you're so wrapped up in the 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.760 fear of possibility, and possibility for a lot of people 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.200 isn't hopeful. It's very fear inducing. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.600 If I don't, If I do, but this could happen, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:56.960 but I could get fired, blah blah. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.560 Make a choice, and I promise you you'll feel better 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.640 knowing that you chose something, because even if it doesn't 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.840 turn out, you can say with certainty it didn't work 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:05.560 and you can move on. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.760 M I love that I use someone who's like quite 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.360 in well, like I know you are better, I'll ask 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.640 the question anyway, I use someone who's quite intuitive. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.800 Yeah, but I actually I balance that intuition with a 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:25.440 rational logic. I have this grandiose sense of self, which 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.280 I feel like my mum instilled in me. She really 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:31.080 made me feel confident about things that I had no 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.720 business being confident about. I remember when I was younger, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.280 like I really wanted to get the gap in my 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.280 tooth closed. I really want embraces for no good reason 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.480 except that other people didn't have gaps in their teeth. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.160 And my mom was like, oh, no, like, I think 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:49.040 that looks really lovely, and so many like culturally in Africa, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.960 usually gaps and teeth are signs of wealth and health 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.160 and it's a really esteemed trait to have, and she 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.800 was like, no, I think it's really lovely. And so 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.000 only did she convince me that it was lovely because 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.320 she thought it was lovely, and I believed what she believed, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.760 but also she went to the dentist and got a 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.680 gap shaved in her tooth and like that to me, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.240 she didn't do it because she wanted me to feel better. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.840 She did it because she really believed that. She thought 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.760 that I was beautiful. She thought my teeth are beautiful. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.400 She's like, what the fuck, Like, yes, this of course 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:21.960 about the gap shaved in my tooth, what do you 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.920 think this is? And so seeing her being so convicted, 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.520 I was like, yeah, fuck, that's so true, like I 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.080 like it or you know, I don't feel insecure about 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.760 my weight. I don't feel insecure about my level of 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.720 intellect because I either have grown to feel comfortable with it. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.320 I've chosen to feel comfortable with it, or I'm working 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.840 towards being better. So it's this kind of thing where 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.640 I can recognize when I am giving advice or when 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.320 I'm giving any kind of motivation of any kind, it's 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.320 coming from a place where I trust myself and I 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.520 have a level of confidence that allows me to feel 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.800 secure in the things that I choose to do. And 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.040 so I'm I'm not naive, and I understand that people 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.360 don't have that same level of conviction, but if you 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.360 do want to be the person who does things, it's 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.920 important to develop some level of trust in yourself, whether 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.520 your intuition or your skill set or your ability to rationalize. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.920 Give yourself a reason to trust yourself and the decisions 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:23.800 that you end up making. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.800 M Wow, I love that story about like with your 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.920 mum and the teeth. Like, I think the vibe that 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.560 I got them was like, you're so self accepting that 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.280 you're like, well, this is me, this is you know, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.760 my belief of who I am and how I show up. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.760 And yeah, like the confidence just like radiates off that too. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.840 Yeah, I guess self accepting is a lovely phrase, And yeah, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.320 I guess that is it, Like it I am what 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.360 I am until I decide to change. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.800 Yes, But also I think with self acceptance, like I 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.400 think in order to change in the first place, like 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.800 there always needs to be self acceptance because if you 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.159 can accept yourself, like I talk about this concept of 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.919 like you know, for me, confidence isn't walking into a 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.560 room and thinking I'm better than all the people there. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.720 For me, confidence is walking into the room and not 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.600 comparing myself because I have accepted myself, like you know, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.719 the flaws plus the attributes, and it's like I know 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.520 who I am, I know where I stand. So I'm 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.360 very grounded in that and I yeah, I very much 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.560 get that feeling, with which I love absolutely and I 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.439 would love also to chat about so you were so 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.720 you were talking about, you know, you have this confidence 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.360 which is huge and I love that your mum instilled 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.719 that with you. And also, like you said, like you 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.160 go on throughout your timeline where you're making these risky choices, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.600 but then it gets easier and you trust yourself more. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.000 And I think I think that's also huge because on 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.200 this podcast, I have a lot of people and women who, 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.440 you know, maybe they have a side hustle, maybe they're 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.400 about to leave their job and A huge thing is 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.080 instilling that trust. And I just love what you spoke 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.840 about in regards to like, if you don't trust yourself 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.040 and if you don't make those moves, then it's like 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.359 who will? And I would love to finish this little 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.560 bit of the conversation before we go on to your 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.800 brand new book with just any advice you would have 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.880 for someone who is about to make that big, at 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.159 you know, risky choice. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.040 Yeah. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.040 I think the part of what I'm learning in therapy 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.080 is that I have this preoccupation with control and that 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.520 I feel as though I have the ability and the 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.240 free will to control my outcome and my environment and 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.040 all that good stuff. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:46.720 And I do to a point. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.199 But I think what some people forget to let you 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.000 know about making choices, that you're only responsible for half 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.680 of the result. You can do the exact right thing, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.680 say in the exact right way, produce it in the 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.240 exact right way, and it still might not work because 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.000 you can't control how the people perceive you, or your 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.119 ideas or your experiences. So when you are building a 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.000 sense of trust in yourself, do it knowing that you 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.840 can't control the outcome, but that you can only set 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.960 yourself up just enough to ensure that you've done everything 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.359 on your part to make sure it happens with the 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.080 way that you intend. But you can also build resilience 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.960 to keep going if it doesn't work the first time 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:26.560 you try. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.439 Oh wow, I love that. That's the most original little 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.040 piece of advice we've had on the podcast. And I 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.080 love that you're very open about, you know, going to therapy. 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.640 I see a psychologists and it was the best thing 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.640 I ever did. All right, Flex, let's and I am 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.160 going in between Lily and Flex and I do apologie. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:51.359 I love it. It feels it feels natural. But let's chat 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.720 about your book. So you have a brand new book 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.400 that has just gone on pre sale. I'm so excited. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.120 I'm like a bit of a so of help junkie. 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.439 I need to say any sort of yeah, like anything 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.879 like that. I'm like, oh, yes, I cannot wait. So 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:10.840 I'm very excited. And first of all, congratulations, that's like. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.600 Huge, very huge. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.240 Can you tell the listeners at just a little brief 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.320 overview of what the book is about. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.800 Yes, So the book is called The Success Experiment, and 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.720 for some context, basically I think for the for the 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:29.800 for the larger part of my career, people have been 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.719 asking me to essentially explain how I did what I 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.040 did to get to where I got, and I feel 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.320 I don't feel insecure with giving people advice, because all 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.520 advice is good advice, But there are so many different 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.320 variables that pertain to why I was able to achieve 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.600 success in the way that I did it because I 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.359 am me and I wanted the things that I want, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:48.720 and I did it in the way that I wanted 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.800 to and the industry received me in a certain way. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:52.639 And blah blah blah. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.159 So I didn't feel convicted in telling people that this 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.600 is what you could do for your own bespoke kind 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.560 of success, and so my publisher ended up ask me, well, 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.399 what do you want, Like, what can you give people 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.399 if you don't feel confident that what you did is 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.280 what they can do to achieve their kind of success. 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.919 And then it hit me. I told my publisher, and 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.040 this is what the book's about, that I wanted to 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:18.480 conduct an experiment and I'm hypothesizing that if people replicate 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.000 and imitate the steps that I use to create my 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.240 own bespoke form of success, they two in some way, 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.280 can create their own form of success and by doing that, 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:32.160 it requires six distinct steps that I can give you, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:33.760 but it's up to you to figure out how to 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.720 integrate that in your own personal story. And those six 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.480 steps of figuring out who you are number one, because 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.080 I think what people don't recognize is that who you 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.760 are will impact what you want and how you can 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.880 get it far more than you recognize. We can all 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:53.320 read the same quote, the same business book, the same message, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.919 and interpret it a thousand different ways. And what you 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.240 need to understand is how you're interpreting and perceiving your 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.119 environment and the success that you make. The second step 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.440 is who you want to be, because I think that 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.240 a big part of growth is understanding that, yes, we 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.760 can be self accepting and we can know who we are, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.000 but you need to recognize that changes need to be 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:14.439 made in order for you to have the thing you 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:18.000 don't have. We can't just be sitting here in a vacuum, 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.720 untouched by the world around us and expect to gain 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.560 this sense of growth. It doesn't happen that way. And 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.800 then step three is discovering what you want. Because again 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.879 people do not know what they want. They start to 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.320 look for these arbitrary queues to tell them like, this 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.760 is what success is. Therefore, I want that, I want 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.040 a business, I want money, I want that partner. But 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.440 when you strip away all those really arbitrary ideas, what 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.119 do you want? Do you want to feel seen? Do 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:45.720 you want to feel valued? Do you want to feel heard? 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.720 Do you want to feel motivated? Do you want enough 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.760 money to live on a farm. That's really important to understand. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:52.920 And then the fourth step is why do you want 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.560 that thing? What do you think getting that will do 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:55.959 for you? 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:56.520 Actually? 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.360 What ideas have you projected onto this fantasy it's going 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.520 to fulfill you? Because we need to break that down 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.520 immediately and become as objective as we can about the 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.320 things that we want and what we feel they'll do 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.959 for us. Then step five is how to get it? 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.160 Because that's what these books never fucking tell you, How 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.760 do I actually get the thing? So I created a 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.840 fifteen step system that will help you do exactly that. 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.800 It's a system that I use quite often. I think 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.560 it's very self explanatory. But the reason why I put 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.640 it a step five is because you can't skip all 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.440 these really crucial foundational building blocks to get what you want. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.919 You have to do all that foundational work. So whatever 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.439 you build on top is built on top of a 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:42.000 surface that isn't breakable. It's built with trust and conviction 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.800 and certainty that you as a person is not self 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.159 sabotaging your goals. And then the sixth step is what 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.040 to do when you get it? Because I think a 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.359 lot of us are under the impression that success is 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.560 a linear journey, like once I get it, it's done. No, 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.720 the bench post always moves, the ideas always change. Your 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.440 want to needs are malleable and they are going to change. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.680 So what's going to happen when you've done a year, 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.480 two years, three years, six months of pinning for this 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.720 one thing only to realize that you want something else? 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.440 And that is the success experiment. So I'm really proud 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.560 of it, and I think, finally I'm at this point 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:22.240 where I'm so comfortable giving this insight because it relies 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.639 on me to have known that that's what I do 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.159 and that's what works for me. But it's also putting 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.520 the onus on the reader to understand. I can't tell 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.680 you who you are, I can't tell you what you want, 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.199 I can't tell you why you want it, but I 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.000 can tell you that if you learn those things about 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:41.439 yourself and then use this tool for how to get it, 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:45.600 you'll get as close as you possibly humanly can. Wow. 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.080 I was just taking that all in and I am 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:54.040 so excited. I love steps. I'm a step person, so 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.520 the fact that it has six steps, I'm all about it. 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.720 And I thought you broke it, broke down down so 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.159 well and I would love for you to touch on 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.959 So A huge thing that I also chat about too 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:11.160 is like knowing what you want, and I think I 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.119 love that you are, like that's step three. And I 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.600 think some people, yeah, like you said, they have these 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:20.640 like kind of arbitrary things of I want money or 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:26.680 I want this car I want to yeah. But then really, 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:30.240 when we unpack that, it's like, do you just want 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.199 that because you know, to impress your neighbor, yeah, or 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.080 because you think that job is super easy and kind 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:41.760 of getting like the I guess the behind reason of it. 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.920 Do you find that sometimes when you decide what you want, 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.320 then you really get into like why you want it, 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:49.399 that it might change. 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:50.760 Absolutely. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.919 I'm constantly fighting between what i want and why I 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.200 want it, only because I'm someone who at the core 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.760 I'm very motivated by value and having my value recognized. 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.240 So I end up seeking opportunities that validate me rather 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.120 than nourish me. So it becomes a slippery slope because 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.280 I'm like, oh, my goodness, Like here I am doing 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.800 these amazing things. Everybody thinks I'm great, But then in reality, 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.359 I just want five days to sit down and play 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:18.359 with some crafts. 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:18.800 You know. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.680 I want to paint, I want to like plant something. 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.760 I want to cultivate and nurture and exercise my creative 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.200 liberties and these things. You know, if you're somebody who creates, 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.800 often those things you feel sensitive about it. 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:31.640 I don't want people. 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.240 Critiquing my art, and so some of the things that 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.720 I hold so closely I don't want to share. But 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.280 I'm in the business of sharing, you know, and letting 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.040 people in and giving and giving. So I'm always trying 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.440 to find that balance between how much can I give 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.840 without literally taking for myself so the benefit of people 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.040 who don't recognize how hard it is for me to 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.119 give this part of myself and leave it up to critique. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.720 So it is it is like a push and pull. 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:58.879 But like I said, the only reason why I know 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.360 that I'm motivated buy value and having my value recognized 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.960 is from knowing who I am, and that's step number one. 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.679 I couldn't have got to know what I want unless 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:12.680 I knew fundamentally who I am and why I am 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:18.479 that way. And you know, I think that when I 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.600 wrote that chapter, it wasn't I didn't write it for 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.560 people to for people to know how to explain who 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:26.439 they are in twenty five words or less. No, I 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:28.760 did it so you could have more context for yourself, 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.439 and so you wouldn't feel limited by, you know, the 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.360 success that it's available to other people. Because if you're 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.560 motivated by helping people and you feel a lot of 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.120 value within yourself when you can be of service to others, 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.640 then maybe don't go work in an industry that requires 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:47.919 you to exploit people. That's not going to work for 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.200 you. You know. Maybe don't work in an industry where it's 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.439 sales based because that's not intrinsically helping people. You know, 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.960 Maybe work in an industry where you can, or maybe 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:01.080 don't work. Maybe be the person who's always there to 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.359 lend a helping hand, Be the person who offers to 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.400 walk somebody across the road, Be the person who offers 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.520 to help somebody move like that could be a source 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:14.200 of value and success for you. But yeah, it all matters. 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.040 A one hundred percent, And I think that's huge in 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.680 regards to your final step of like what you do 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.520 once you get there, because if you're chasing this thing 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:28.240 that realistically it's just because you know, society has put 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.159 this expectation on you. Let's just say, for example, to 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.720 buy a house. But in your true like nature and 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.080 who you are, and you know your alignment with who 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.520 you are, if that's not actually important, then once you 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.920 get to the end, it's not going to feel successful, 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.120 if that makes exactly. And I would also love to 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.280 chat about So number six is you know what you 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.680 do once you get it? And this is this is 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:56.200 a bit of a selfish crushing because I am the 0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:01.160 worst for achieving something and then literally looking to the 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.680 next goal. And I am one hundred percent think I'm 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.800 a I'm a bit addicted, let's be honest, because I do. 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.840 I love I just love like doing things and putting 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.560 ideas out there and then seeing them, you know, come 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.080 to life. And I really love the hustle and the grind, 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.560 even though a lot of the time it burns me out. 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.920 So a huge thing that I'm actually trying to do 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.440 right now is like sit in the receivership of like 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.880 when you actually you know, finish something or a you know, 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:36.560 quote unquote, are successful of actually like sitting in that 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.720 and seeing what that feels like, because I think so 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.560 many times I just brush over it, and what are 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.240 your thoughts on that? And what's something that you do? 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.240 You know, sort of at that end point. 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.920 I'm with you exactly. And for the longest time, I 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.200 think I had the same perspective you had, which is, 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.040 oh no, I recognize that I'm not taking the time 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.800 to relish in my achievements. What can I do? And 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.520 I think we have a similar mindset when we try 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.480 to logic and achieve our way out of like just 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.680 the logic of being like, oh no, I can't take 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.840 the time to settle into my achievement. Let me figure 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.280 it out, let me apply a solution, let me do this. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.600 And that's like the antithesis of what you need to 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.080 be doing. It's almost like to really accept it or 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.200 to really celebrate it, you do nothing. You accept whatever 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.560 feeling is coming across and you recognize it like, oh okay, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.400 that's how I'm feeling, then that's how I'm feeling. I 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.000 think a part of me recognized early on is that 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.560 I've set myself up in the way that like, I'm 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.240 not recognizing that I'm someone who likes to achieve for 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.680 achieving sake. And then it's not that I know I 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:48.200 can fix, it's the it's the reality of this situation 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.800 I'm in. And so long as I keep putting myselves 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.240 in situations where I'm creating to create value to be 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.640 validated for that value, that it's going to be a 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.760 cyclical loop that I can't get out of unless I 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.479 cate value for me and not for the validation of others. 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.600 So in the last chapter we talk a lot about 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.120 retrospectively figuring out why you're even in this spot where 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.640 we now have to talk about success and what it 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.480 means to you and why you're achieving. 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.600 Did you scratch that itch? 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.360 Or are we now literally back at square one when 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.720 we're going back to self analysis? 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:24.840 Who am I? 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.080 Because I'm the person like like, why am I this 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:29.920 way that I can get to the end of a 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.680 book about succeeding and want to talk about what to 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.400 do now that I've succeeded. In reality, we should be done. 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.080 You know, we did it, but no, the nature of 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.120 it is that, like we go back to square one, 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.160 and while we may not be looking for material success 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.640 this time, we might be looking for spiritual success. So 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.400 we start from scratch. Who am I? I'm a person 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.920 motivated by material things? Why is that the case? I 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.160 don't know, it feels good, blah blah blah, and then 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:58.240 you know, the cycle continues. So that's the spoiler that 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:04.040 the success experiment never. 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.440 I was just thinking then, I was like, I need 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:11.280 a journal because she's got a point one hundred percent that. 0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:15.280 It is interesting though, because it's like very typical of 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.520 my personality to go, oh, well, now I'm you know, 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:23.440 aka successful. How should I feel? And I'm not feeling 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:23.720 that way? 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.520 So what do I do? Now? Yeah, that's really funny. 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.040 Have you done your niogram? 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.440 You skilled me there, puddon. 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:31.840 Have you done your eneagram? 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:33.360 I haven't? 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:37.520 Oh I really recommend what are you? Three? 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.160 Like, I'm kind of okay, So niagram is it's what's 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:42.640 the three? 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.720 So basically, don't think of this as like the Mayers 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.120 Briggs because as much as I have utilized that tool 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.280 in the past. It really isn't sophisticated enough to really 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.840 understand the scope and depth of human behavior. The enneagram 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:01.160 is essentially it's not a typing system. It's a it's 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.440 like a self analysis tool where you can figure out, 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.920 you know, if you're operating in a healthy form, how 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.920 are you being perceived? What type are you perceived as? 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.200 When you're healthily operating, what type are you perceived as? 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.560 And when you are in a state of you know, 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.160 deterioration or you're going with the flow or whatever, what 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.480 are you what are you being perceived as? So I'm 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.520 a three, which means that my archetype is an achiever. 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.320 I like to do things. I like to be validated 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.959 for doing things. I like a system. I like winning, 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:35.080 I like succeeding. I like also I like people knowing 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.520 that I am these things. So it's it's I if 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.440 I achieve in a room and nobody sees did I achieve? 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.960 No, what's even the point? 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:45.920 What's the point. 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.520 So so that's that's what I know about myself. And 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.560 so it talks about you're giving like this fifty page 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.920 pdf about yourself, but it talks about the basic fears 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.640 of a three and the motivations of A three. And 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.560 what we've recognized with three achievers myself, is that achievers 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.880 don't just do it for this internal sense of gratitude, 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.680 because most achievers know they could sit in a room 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.359 and watch Netflix for six hours and not feel. 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:13.759 Bad about it. 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:15.960 But it's this idea of like, once you've set your 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.200 mind to achieving, now everybody needs to know. Everybody has 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.359 to validate it. Everybody has to know you're own track. 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.200 Everybody has to know that you're doing the right thing. 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.439 And it's great until you get to a point where 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.400 the validation doesn't feel good anymore because you already know 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.960 you have the capacity. If you knew how to write, 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:32.919 if you knew how to run a business in twenty ten, 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.680 and you're still getting compliments in twenty twenty, well that's 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.120 not that exciting. You've been doing it, and so you 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.160 look for new ways to be validated, and then it 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:44.879 becomes a really empty transaction because you're not looking for real, 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:49.719 sustaining self celebration. You're looking for really empty indicators that 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.799 you're on the right track, but you already know it. 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:54.879 And so the thing about the enneagram is it puts 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.120 into perspective that. 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:58.600 It just puts. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.200 It just helps you reflect yourself back at you and 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.600 helps you kind of recognize the areas where you might 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:06.840 be your own enemy of progress and you might be 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.880 the reason for you know, this internal dissatisfaction. So me 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.439 a three and achiever fascinated with success, writing a book 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.440 on how to succeed getting to step six and starting 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.520 it at step one now that the book is finished 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.040 is inherently my problem. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:28.520 But here I am, Oh my god, I'm actually losing it. 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.640 Do you think I'm a three two? Because I'm kind 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:32.000 of feeling think you're a three? 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.120 Threes everything recognize threes because I'm. 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.560 Like, yeah, sorry, you go realistically if. 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.160 It doesn't really work, the same with other types, like 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.279 I don't think of a one season one and says 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:46.880 you're a one, I'm a one. But the three is 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.440 in particular. So much of what we do is this. 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.680 It's not necessarily external validation, but it's externalizing our achievements. 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.040 Threes don't achieve quietly, and it's not like we're going 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.640 to be sitting here being like, look at me, I'm succeeding, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.120 but it's clear to others that we have achieved. You 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.120 know even if we said I don't feel successful, somebody 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.600 around us, whether it be a friend a stranger, will 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:14.040 validate that, No, you are in fact successful. So that's 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.920 why I think threes can find it easy to see 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.320 each other, Because if I'm looking at you and I 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.160 can recognize that you're successful, part of me is like, Okay, 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:23.520 am I mirroring? 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.520 Am I reflecting? Am I am? I? Like? Thirsty for that? 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.200 Do I want some of that? Do I want to 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:30.279 bask in it? You know? 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.319 It's very interesting, but I think it would If you're 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.600 already someone who's interested in self development, then that's a 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.520 natural extension that I think is far more beneficial than 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:43.040 a lot of these very basic one dimensional typing systems are. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.359 I absolutely love that one hundred percent. I love doing 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.480 tests in myself too. A bit of a sign I 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:55.080 would do that I did. Have you had your human design, ran, Yeah, 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:55.839 I have? 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.080 What are you? I'm a manifesting generator? 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.920 Fucking stop it? So am I though? 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:04.080 Of course? 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.359 Oh my god, that's why I was like, I bet 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.479 she's a myth person generator. Well, I'm one hundred percent 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.400 of three too. I just know it. I feel like 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.839 I'm self aware enough but I will do it and 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.680 then confirm email or DM. Yeah, i'd love to know 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.440 you know, we're on point. I love that and I 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.759 think it is huge. Also what you said of like 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.640 being self aware enough about Yeah, like we were talking 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.000 about of what makes you you know, what tickles your 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.440 fancy and what lets you up, because that's the whole 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.440 thing of being successful. It's going to be so different 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.560 for everything. And just to finish off our confo about 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.600 the book, can you kind of define and I don't 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.600 know if you will, but what does success mean to you? 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:48.920 Yeah? 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:54.560 Personally, success is the ability to like try, achieve and 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:59.080 sustain a form of contentment that works for you in 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.400 that time. And I think for me, once I developed 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:06.920 that own definition for myself, it allowed me to It 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.480 allowed me to create moments of success in anything I 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.839 was doing. Instead of saying the business, you know, the 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:14.759 money or whatever, it was like, No, I just need 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.560 to try and sustain any form of contentment and that 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.800 will be enough for me because I think what I 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:25.919 only realized through doing stuff is that I felt far 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:31.319 better doing far less, you know, like somehow spending eight 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.120 hours making a pair of pants for myself because I 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.919 wanted them can in some ways feel far greater than 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.920 you know, running a really profitable business some days like 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.040 a who would have thought? 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:44.920 But now I know? 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.480 Oh my god, that is like so funny but so 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.120 so true and well, like you said, that's the whole 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.520 thing of like knowing yourself. So I love that definition 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.799 of success. I'm not gonna lie. I'll have to like 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:02.560 debunk it. I really listened to this episode because it 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:06.839 was like intricate, but I did, I did enjoy it. 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:12.480 What's yours definition? Putting me on. 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.680 The spot, I guess my this is this basic bitch. 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.600 I feel like a basic bitch now after your definition, bit, 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:26.239 I think my definition of success is like again, contentment 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:31.400 and happiness in the right now, so in the process 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.080 as well, Like I'm a huge person of enjoying the process, 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.040 not just the end result. So you don't get to 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.359 like what am I even doing? So that's why I 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:45.520 had very much created my life where and I never 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.600 used to be like that previously. I used to be 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.400 that person who lived for the weekend, lived for the holidays, 0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:53.399 like that was you know, in my corporate box. But 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.279 now I very much like for me, success is if 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:01.160 I'm finished a workday, and I'm like, you know, I've 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.959 enjoyed it and I'm not, you know, wishing away my life. 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:04.920 If that makes sense. 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:08.440 Yeah, I'm with you. Happiness is a tricky one for me. 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:12.520 I steer clear of that one just in case. It 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.440 feels so fleeting that I'm kind of like, I'll do contentment. 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.000 And part of me thinks because of the industries that 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.480 we're in, you know, like I was saying to myself, 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.680 I don't when I was talking to my business partner 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:26.920 the other day and I was like, I don't want 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:28.920 to do things that don't feel good, like it doesn't 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.239 feel right, and she was like, I get it, and 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:32.760 I was like, you know what, fuck, I just sound 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.360 so entitled because we've been able to create this reality 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.839 where we can just do things that feel good because 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.439 it's the privilege we've been given from you know, being 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.400 an influencer, running your own business, whatever you want to 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:47.000 call it. But it doesn't necessarily translate outside of this 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:51.560 direct type of living, you know, Like I think about 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.279 all the other people who don't have the privilege of 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:57.520 just choosing happiness, because like everything around you is like, no, 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.800 you've got to choose stability, you've got to chose use security, 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:05.200 you've gotta choose consistency. You can't choose happiness, which is 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:05.840 so unfair. 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:10.200 But that's I literally you said that, and I was 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.919 resonating so much because I think sometimes and it's it's 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.279 funny you said that because my marketing manager for Naked 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.480 Harvest the other day we were talking about something and 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.160 she wanted to do something like kind of like a 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:24.720 proper PR way, and I was like, no, it doesn't 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.239 feel good to me. We're doing it this way, which 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.640 like really didn't make sense. So she's just looking at 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.080 me like, all right, fucking hell, we'll do it this way, Georgie. 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:32.359 Yeah. 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.640 But for me, that's how I run my business, where 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.799 it's like very much intuition, like does it feel good 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:39.880 to me? And it just works out. And I one 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.360 hundred percent do realize that comes with so much privilege 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:47.560 in regards to me living the life I do and whatnot. 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.920 I just thought that's so interesting that you said that, 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.960 because I just had that conversation. 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:53.440 I think. 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:59.439 I was like laughing. I think also though, if it's 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.239 not like it's not like every single workday, I'm like, fuck, 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.239 that was the best workday. 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But let's get back into the episode. 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:51.000 Well let's switch gears and before we get onto your 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.640 flex Factory and your flex card games, which I'm literally 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.600 obsessed with, and I've got them in front of me 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.080 so we can play a little bit at the end. 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:02.760 But I just wanted to touch on social media because I 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.279 started following you a couple of years ago, and you 0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.960 really are someone I enjoy on social media, Like I 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.880 have muted so many people just because I'm like, what 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.440 are you even giving to my life apart from you know, 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.279 I don't know some shitty products that I know you 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.280 probably don't use. So I absolutely love you on Instagram, 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.920 and I just wanted to know your thoughts, like how 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.759 do you feel about yourself? And I know you are 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.040 super self aware, how do you feel about yourself on 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:36.080 social media? Do you like you know the role you play? 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.120 And I know also you won that award for was 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.160 it social Media Staff from E. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:47.319 Yeah, Social Star of the Year twenty twenty from eo. 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:51.239 Oh, that's like yeah from either It's like so impressive 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.120 and like big congratulations, so well deserved, but yeah, how 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.799 do you feel about the whole social media thing? 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.759 It's interesting because I could critique it for days and 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.200 days and days and pull it apart, but realize that 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.600 I benefit from the system that's so corrupt. Similar to you, 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.120 there are a lot of people that I just feel like, Gosh, 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.600 give me something. And that's not to say I want 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:16.040 people to be like educators, entertainers or whatever, but we 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:22.319 really have outgrown the need for like vapid influencers and celebrities. 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.000 And that's not to say you overcorrect and become a 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:30.160 a lecturer, but there's something about the vapid nature of 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.960 celebrity that really fit our lifestyle a couple of years ago, 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.360 when we were living in delusions and life was just 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.439 you know, life was a fairy tale. But like, we're 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:43.320 in a pandemic, where in an environment where we're acutely 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.080 aware of how systemic issues are impacting people. 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.560 We are aware of like the disparity. 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:52.080 Between people who are able to live comfortably in people 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.359 whose governments don't even exist for their own benefit. So 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.400 when you log on the internet and you have someone 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.439 being like, oh my god, like I need your help. 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.400 Do I do the red lipstick or do I do 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.600 the orange lipstick? Hey, everyone, I need your help. Do 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.040 you want me to wear this Apple watch band or 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.319 this Apple watch band, and it's like, I don't care. 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.799 So I I found it. 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.160 I used to find it really hard being an influencer 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.840 a couple of years ago, because I wanted so dearly 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.200 to fit the stereotype and to try and do it 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.240 the way it had been done, because that was getting 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:28.239 so much success. If you were a flat lay, bikini 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:34.040 shot fitness, a skewed influencer five years ago, you know, 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:41.080 healthy meals, outfit of the day, quote influencer, that really 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.960 was the space for you, hyper positive, all that shit. 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.200 That was so great, but it didn't really reflect the 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:49.160 conversation I was having. And I already had struggled with 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:54.839 feeling like a caricature of myself only because like being 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.320 a black Australian person, especially people only really know Black 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:02.160 American culture, not like African culture or Australian culture. So 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:05.320 I was constantly having to like fit this mold for people. 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:07.760 I'm like, babes, I don't have an accent, I don't 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.480 know about American culture like that, I can't help you. 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.520 So I think I was just a little bit sensitive 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.480 to being perceived as somebody I was not that I 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.520 personally overcorrected and was like, they have to know everything 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.320 about me, they have to know that I'm being real, authentic. 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.600 I took a shit today, I'm on my period, like 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.960 this is what I think, this is what I believe, whatever. 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.480 And it was great because it created this standard that 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.680 I could be myself completely online, which I love. But 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.960 it's also created this standard that people you know, feel 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.839 and to some extent, are entitled to my thoughts at 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.480 any given time, and my opinions and my wants and 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.560 my needs. And as much as I love to talk, 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.160 I don't want to talk to strangers all day like 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.640 I and not necessarily just strangers, but strangers I have 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.160 no context for you and I had can have this 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.440 conversation because there's a context for why we're doing it 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:58.480 and who we are. But a lot of the time 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.960 it feels like I'm just giving us like things that 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.080 I hold dearly to myself, like my thoughts, for nothing, 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.480 and then being scrutinized or then having to justify them. 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:11.440 I don't want to justify myself. So it's a tricky 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:14.280 landscape to exist in. Because I can recognize the benefits 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.600 of what I get from existing in this place but 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:21.719 I think it's definitely reached a point where it's not 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:25.080 as valuable to me as it once was, in the 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.319 sense that there's a cap on how much you can 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.600 make based on how many follows you can have, based 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:31.440 on how much effort you want to put in and 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.640 how much time you want to spend on the internet, 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.920 and when you want to manage your social media in 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.320 a manageable way. It literally like it's not as beneficial, 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.279 Like you literally have to give everything you have in 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.600 order for it to be beneficial, and that's not worth 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.360 it for me. And that's where I'm at currently. 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:55.160 I'm just taking it all in one hundred percent. I 0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.960 agree with what you're saying in regards to it being tricky, 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.680 because there's this on one side of social media where 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:04.920 me and you both like get so much from it 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:09.799 and have that privilege of yeah, earning money from it 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:13.919 and having status and those sorts of things which would 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.640 have been such a catalyst and so many things that 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.360 you have then done, you know, after social media. So 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:24.239 one hundred percent, it's not like it's a platform that 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:28.000 I hate or I can't stand. But I am also 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:33.279 loving that people are being more smart and are I 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:39.239 guess expecting more substance from influences, Like I think it 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:42.799 can kind of go almost too far sometimes, Like I 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:46.400 know recently, well just in twenty twenty, we had so 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.680 many political movements and we had a lot going on, 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:54.080 and I remember feeling some pressure of having to speak 0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:57.080 about things that I really, you know, didn't have any 0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:00.600 knowledge about, and if you took time to have knowledge 0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.719 and to read, it was, oh, well you're you were, yeah, scrutinized. 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.080 So it can be almost this hard space to navigate, 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:11.160 but also this really positive space. But in saying that, 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.360 I do agree in regards, so I think we are 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:18.919 going into a better place where influencers also do have 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:22.440 more of a responsibility. Like I can't remember who I 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.360 was chatting to the other day, but it was almost 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.360 like I remember, the influencer space was like the wild 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:31.320 wild West. Literally they could do anything. Everything was believed, 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:36.200 whereas now people more Chloe, people do expect more substance, 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.440 like they do want to not just see an emoji 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.560 in a photo. Yeah, well some you know, some people. 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.880 Yeah, still there's a lot of but yeah. 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.680 Yeah, exactly, And I am kind of liking that people 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.400 are going that way, and it to be completely honest 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.080 with you, like I used to be one of those 0:51:55.239 --> 0:52:00.719 very one dimensional because yeah, like that's like or that's 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.400 all I kind of knew and all that was expected. 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:07.160 And that's honestly like where a lot of my account 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.279 grew because I was the back in the day, you know, 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:14.000 before and after girl with the fitness photo. And I 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:19.920 remember also, yeah, just I remember feeling like there was 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.160 this pivotal moment where I'm like, I can even keep 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:26.440 doing this one dimensional shit where I know in you know, 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.000 myself and who I am that it's like, I know 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.440 I'm more than this. I know I have an actual voice. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.600 Like who knows if anyone wants to hear it or not, 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.520 But for me, it was like I couldn't be on 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:40.719 the platform and not share my authentic self because it 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.080 was just to that you know, pivotal moment. So I 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.319 feel like we are kind of similar in that thing. 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.239 And I guess for the longest time, it's been influencers 0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.839 dictating what the platform is and how it should go. 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:55.600 Like influencers among them created trends, and then other influencers followed, 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.040 and then that created the tone for the rest of 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.360 the Internet. Now it's consumers like, they set the tone. 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:04.719 Who you give your likes to, who you engage with 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.120 is who gets to be on top. It's algorithmic. It's 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:12.280 not about preferences. It's literally about consumer and user behavior. 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:16.800 And so I feel as though once audience members, consumers, 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.560 whatever you want to call them, recognize that they are 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.080 responsible for a lot of the people who remain on top, 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.759 suddenly they've got to be more discerning with who you 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.960 choose to hate, watch, hate, follow, because on the algorithm's end, 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.120 a watch is a watch, a follows a follow, a 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.160 like is a like, A share as a share, And 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.640 the more you do those things, the more it amplifies 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.640 those content creators. And so if you want to see 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.760 more enriching stuff on your feet, and I'm not talking 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.160 just educational, like, if you want to see people who 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:46.359 look like you, who think like you, who like what 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.560 you like, then you have to validate those creators for existing. 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.759 They might only have one thousand followers two thousand followers, 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.120 but like, they need your like and follow more than 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.760 a celebrity with sixteen million needs your like and follow. 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.480 No, I love that, and that's huge. Like, I think 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.080 we all kind of know by now, we get to 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.560 choose what shows up in our feed, and we should 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:13.400 be super picky because yeah, these are the people who 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.480 you're you know, even by following these people and liking 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.959 their stuff, you're enriching them, You're amplifying them. So it's 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:24.279 just about being very conscious of that. And also I 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:30.239 think like a huge thing too, is is realizing that 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:34.280 the whole what you're saying about, you know, the hate 0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:37.600 follow like just kind of checking up on people and 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:42.080 that sort of thing, it's like you're still amplifying that person. 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:46.120 And also just touching on one last thing, I love 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.880 what you said about the consumer has a lot of 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:52.360 the control now. Like I remember it was only maybe 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.040 a couple of months ago where I got a DM 0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:58.360 that was like Georgie, you're using like filters too much 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:02.279 and I was likectually struggling through a bit of a 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:06.760 you know, time I had a surgery and anyway whatnot. 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.560 And I remember kind of taking that on board and 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.040 being like, yeah, fuck, what am I doing sort of thing, 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.920 And don't I'm not to say like I don't agree 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:19.879 with followers dictating everything because again, it's my platform. It's 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:23.319 so not my platform. It's MySpace I'm allowed to show 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.680 up and do what I want. But I do love that, 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.160 you know, followers and consumers do have a bit of 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:34.600 control and makes the influencer have somewhat of the responsibility too. 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:36.320 Yeah. Absolutely, all right. 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.319 Flex, we are going to move on to our last 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.759 little section of the pod. I've just looked and we've 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.520 been going for a good fifteen minutes. So to wrap 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.400 things up, I want to play your Flex game and 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:50.600 I hope that's okay. 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:51.920 Yeah, let's do it quick. 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.719 Side note, and so literally sitting in my car recording 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.200 this and my laptop will die shortly, so if it 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.319 happens to cut off, I hope you have like a 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:03.520 nice area to like round out the podcast. 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:04.400 I'm so sorry. 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.759 No, no, you're so okay, You're so okay. Will be 0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.239 super quick before we get into the games, do you 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.120 want to just quickly explain to the audience your games 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:14.920 and where they can find them, just in case you 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:15.640 do get cut off. 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:19.400 Absolutely so. I have conversation card games. You've got Flex 0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:22.719 Factory ones and Reflex card games. The Reflex ones are 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:27.440 the most popular, and we call them critical thinking card games. 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.960 And what you're meant to do is each of these 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.359 set of cards has a question on them, and you're 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:35.200 meant to answer it really honestly and truthfully, and then 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.759 after you answer it, you're meant to unpack why you 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.160 answered it that way, What influence is the way you think? 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.360 Why you think that way, And it's really fantastic just 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.919 to get a better understanding of who you are as 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.239 a person. Of course, you can play it as like 0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:50.800 a drinking game. Plenty of people do, but I'm assuming 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:52.880 if you're listening to this, then you like self development 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.040 and you like personal growth, and you like looking for 0:56:55.400 --> 0:57:00.720 really easy, attainable ways to be a better personal shortcut 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.000 to growth vibes like if you want a real quick, 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:06.640 easy shortcut to learn more about yourself, then play Reflex. 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:10.640 And I absolutely love the game Flex with my husband 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:14.880 because he's not the biggest conversationist. So I will literally 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.600 bring the cards to like date nights and stuff so 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.720 we can have these like interesting convos. Yea, and like 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.400 we do this thing where every Sunday we do Sunday 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.800 morning coffee and I literally will bring cards so we 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.000 can have a chat and yeah, you unpack it, you 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.520 talk about it. I could talk underwater. So I love 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:34.080 the same. It's just it's and I've definitely played it 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:38.240 drinking too, and it's a lot of fun. Well, let's 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.400 get straight into it. To finish the pod, guys, we're 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:43.280 going to answer some Flex cards and then make sure 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:48.520 you go and check out Lilian Akaflex her cards everything. 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.840 I will link it all in the show notes. I'm 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.040 just doing a quick outro in case you're flat off 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.640 you guys, But Flex, when was the last time you 0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:58.240 had pure fun? 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:00.560 I think that. 0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:04.880 If I reflect, and the first n it comes up 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:08.040 is Coachella, as bad as that sounds, and not because 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.800 the festival was anything amazing. But I went with some 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:14.600 of my closest and oldest friends and our objective was 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.200 just to do things that felt good. So, yes, we 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:19.720 might have on a few dangerous things, you know, we 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:21.800 might have gotten a few cars that we shouldn't have 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:23.960 gotten into. We might have stayed up too late, we 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.360 might have gotten up too early, whatever it was, but 0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.000 our only objective was to do what feels good, follow 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:32.000 the fun. And it felt so nice to like not 0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:37.000 have responsibilities. We felt like children with adult privileges. Everything 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.680 was funny, everything was silly, Everything was totally made with 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:43.960 pleasure in mind, and I think that's a really hard 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.000 feeling to replicate because real life isn't like a holiday 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:49.960 that you paid thousands of dollars to go on, and 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.400 it's really hard to replicate that sense of freedom when 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.920 you're literally stuck in your city or your hometown or 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:55.440 your suburb. 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:58.560 But pure fun that definitely comes to mind. 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:01.360 Oh that was a good That was a bloody good answer. 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:05.680 My answer is like again being a basic bitch. But 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.160 literally three days ago or last week, I went to 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:11.560 Byron with Naked Harvest and it was like a little 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.840 retreat that we did for some of our influences, and 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:19.120 we did this our workout class called Hustle, which was 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:22.080 like pilates, And I'm not gonna lie. I'm usually that 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:25.400 person who's like, oh, pilates, because I'm more of like 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.160 a person I love strength training, I love weights, I 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:30.800 love like kind of hit, get it done, let's leave 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.920 bigger sort of movements. And this class they had like 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:39.240 these old R and B beats pumping. The chick was 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:42.320 she was like Spanish, she had this amazing accent and 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:45.120 she was so much fun and I don't know the 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:47.640 whole like every it was a private class too, so 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.720 it was just us girls and the vibe and everything. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.840 I've literally never laughed and had so. 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:59.640 Much oh exercising, and like I literally went and went 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:03.320 in enjoy the exact same like hustle at the Gold 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:05.400 Coast where I live, because I was like, fuck, I 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:06.320 need this in my life. 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:10.880 Oh, because I haven't enjoyed excising since my I haven't 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.960 enjoyed exercising since my surgery last year and really like 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:16.160 just felt in a bit of a funk and that 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:19.400 is like my happy place. So love that for me. 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:23.120 And now I'm doing the classes daily and loving life. 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:26.600 That's a good answer because now right next question, oh yea, yeah, 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:27.400 we're gonna run on time. 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:32.120 No, okay, So this is going to be an interesting one. 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.240 Would you rather live without love or money? 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:38.280 I would rather live without love, I think for a 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:41.200 long time. I've thought about that question a lot, and 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:43.880 only because there are so many other ways you can 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.680 give and receive kindness that aren't loving. And we live 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.520 like I think a lot of people aren't loving to me, 1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:51.920 but they treat me with fairness, They treat me with kindness, 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:54.000 and they treat me with compassion, and I think I 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:56.280 can live with that, I think I don't appreciate the 1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.640 love I have in my life a lot, and so 1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.360 there are some days that I don't recognize that what 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:05.240 could turn this day around is love and it's loving behavior. 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.600 But I just let like money and you know, buying 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.000 happiness motivate me. 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:11.360 So I think I. 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.440 Could actually physically live without love for longer than I 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:16.920 could live without money if you took all the money 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.800 I had away from me. Today, I can't pay my rent, 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:22.440 like where am I living? 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:26.720 Like I can't eat, like I can't like forage. It's done. 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.240 But I could really make adjustments around having an absence 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.520 of love in my life because there are other ways 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:36.760 that can mimic love without actually being love or giving love. 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.400 What about you go, go, oh. 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:41.640 My god, this is a fucking interesting card. And I, 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.240 oh my god. See it's hard because I've been with 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:48.720 my husband since I'm seventeen, so obviously I have so 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:51.600 much love for him and our life and whatnot. Been 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:54.200 saying that I really do not agree with the saying 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:58.640 that like you can't buy happiness. I really see that 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:03.080 since having more money and having yeah, like to be 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:07.000 completely honest, well, it can buy a lot of things 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:10.360 that make you feel good and make you feel loved. 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:11.040 That's it. 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:12.680 Oh, it's so hard. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:14.080 And you can have hair. 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:17.040 Honestly, you can have tenderness, you can have security, you 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:19.880 can have comfort, you can have compliments. Without love, you 1:02:19.880 --> 1:02:22.800 can still have good stuff. There's no money. Light. 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:27.560 Yeah, honestly, I think I'd rather be like an independent 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:31.240 person who can feel secure and like actual live life, 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:35.280 because you cannot live life without money. So I'm confused, unfortunately. 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:38.040 So yeah, I'm yeah, I'm kind of with you on 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:41.600 that one. Bloody love these cards. As you can see, Guys, 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.440 they are so much fun. They would create conbos. Make 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.720 sure you get onto it. I really need to. I've 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:49.760 just got the I think the game one Flex, and 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:52.200 I really need to get on to the explicits. 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.000 I think I will send you every single game we have, 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:56.880 and I will give you a discount coach to share 1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:59.480 with everyone, because everyone should have it. 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:00.400 It's it's a blast. 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.480 Oh did you hear that? Guys? Can we make the 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:05.240 discount code rise and Conquer? 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.480 Yes we can, and we'll do twenty percent off. 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:12.440 Oh thank you so much, Flex, We do appreciate it. Guys. 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:15.320 Please get onto these cards and also make sure you 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:19.440 check out flex Insta or all her handles and stuff 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:21.280 will be in the show notes. I will put that 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:25.360 code in there, and honestly, yeah, you'll have so much fun. 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:29.200 It's like it's making me laughing thinking of the times 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:32.000 I've had my girlfriends doing these cards. So thank you 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.760 so much, Flex you, thank you delight on the show 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:39.080 and yeah, thank you so much. 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:40.440 You're the best. Let's talk to you. 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:43.400 So thanks Flex. I will chat to you later. 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