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Speaker 3: I ever did. All right, Flex, let's and I am

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Speaker 3: I love it. It feels it feels natural. But let's chat

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Speaker 1: that thing? What do you think getting that will do

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Speaker 1: for you?

438
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Speaker 2: Actually?

439
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Speaker 1: What ideas have you projected onto this fantasy it's going

440
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Speaker 1: to fulfill you? Because we need to break that down

441
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: immediately and become as objective as we can about the

442
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Speaker 1: things that we want and what we feel they'll do

443
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Speaker 1: for us. Then step five is how to get it?

444
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Speaker 1: Because that's what these books never fucking tell you, How

445
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Speaker 1: do I actually get the thing? So I created a

446
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Speaker 1: fifteen step system that will help you do exactly that.

447
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Speaker 1: It's a system that I use quite often. I think

448
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Speaker 1: it's very self explanatory. But the reason why I put

449
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Speaker 1: it a step five is because you can't skip all

450
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Speaker 1: these really crucial foundational building blocks to get what you want.

451
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Speaker 1: You have to do all that foundational work. So whatever

452
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Speaker 1: you build on top is built on top of a

453
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Speaker 1: surface that isn't breakable. It's built with trust and conviction

454
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Speaker 1: and certainty that you as a person is not self

455
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Speaker 1: sabotaging your goals. And then the sixth step is what

456
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Speaker 1: to do when you get it? Because I think a

457
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Speaker 1: lot of us are under the impression that success is

458
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Speaker 1: a linear journey, like once I get it, it's done. No,

459
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Speaker 1: the bench post always moves, the ideas always change. Your

460
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Speaker 1: want to needs are malleable and they are going to change.

461
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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen when you've done a year,

462
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Speaker 1: two years, three years, six months of pinning for this

463
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Speaker 1: one thing only to realize that you want something else?

464
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Speaker 1: And that is the success experiment. So I'm really proud

465
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Speaker 1: of it, and I think, finally I'm at this point

466
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Speaker 1: where I'm so comfortable giving this insight because it relies

467
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Speaker 1: on me to have known that that's what I do

468
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Speaker 1: and that's what works for me. But it's also putting

469
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Speaker 1: the onus on the reader to understand. I can't tell

470
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Speaker 1: you who you are, I can't tell you what you want,

471
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you why you want it, but I

472
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Speaker 1: can tell you that if you learn those things about

473
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Speaker 1: yourself and then use this tool for how to get it,

474
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Speaker 1: you'll get as close as you possibly humanly can. Wow.

475
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Speaker 3: I was just taking that all in and I am

476
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Speaker 3: so excited. I love steps. I'm a step person, so

477
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Speaker 3: the fact that it has six steps, I'm all about it.

478
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Speaker 3: And I thought you broke it, broke down down so

479
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Speaker 3: well and I would love for you to touch on

480
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Speaker 3: So A huge thing that I also chat about too

481
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Speaker 3: is like knowing what you want, and I think I

482
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Speaker 3: love that you are, like that's step three. And I

483
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Speaker 3: think some people, yeah, like you said, they have these

484
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Speaker 3: like kind of arbitrary things of I want money or

485
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Speaker 3: I want this car I want to yeah. But then really,

486
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Speaker 3: when we unpack that, it's like, do you just want

487
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Speaker 3: that because you know, to impress your neighbor, yeah, or

488
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Speaker 3: because you think that job is super easy and kind

489
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Speaker 3: of getting like the I guess the behind reason of it.

490
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Speaker 3: Do you find that sometimes when you decide what you want,

491
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Speaker 3: then you really get into like why you want it,

492
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Speaker 3: that it might change.

493
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

494
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Speaker 1: I'm constantly fighting between what i want and why I

495
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Speaker 1: want it, only because I'm someone who at the core

496
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Speaker 1: I'm very motivated by value and having my value recognized.

497
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Speaker 1: So I end up seeking opportunities that validate me rather

498
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Speaker 1: than nourish me. So it becomes a slippery slope because

499
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, my goodness, Like here I am doing

500
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Speaker 1: these amazing things. Everybody thinks I'm great, But then in reality,

501
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: I just want five days to sit down and play

502
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Speaker 1: with some crafts.

503
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Speaker 2: You know.

504
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Speaker 1: I want to paint, I want to like plant something.

505
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Speaker 1: I want to cultivate and nurture and exercise my creative

506
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Speaker 1: liberties and these things. You know, if you're somebody who creates,

507
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Speaker 1: often those things you feel sensitive about it.

508
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Speaker 2: I don't want people.

509
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Speaker 1: Critiquing my art, and so some of the things that

510
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Speaker 1: I hold so closely I don't want to share. But

511
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Speaker 1: I'm in the business of sharing, you know, and letting

512
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Speaker 1: people in and giving and giving. So I'm always trying

513
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Speaker 1: to find that balance between how much can I give

514
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Speaker 1: without literally taking for myself so the benefit of people

515
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Speaker 1: who don't recognize how hard it is for me to

516
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Speaker 1: give this part of myself and leave it up to critique.

517
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Speaker 2: So it is it is like a push and pull.

518
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Speaker 1: But like I said, the only reason why I know

519
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Speaker 1: that I'm motivated buy value and having my value recognized

520
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: is from knowing who I am, and that's step number one.

521
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: I couldn't have got to know what I want unless

522
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Speaker 1: I knew fundamentally who I am and why I am

523
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Speaker 1: that way. And you know, I think that when I

524
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Speaker 1: wrote that chapter, it wasn't I didn't write it for

525
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Speaker 1: people to for people to know how to explain who

526
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Speaker 1: they are in twenty five words or less. No, I

527
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: did it so you could have more context for yourself,

528
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Speaker 1: and so you wouldn't feel limited by, you know, the

529
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Speaker 1: success that it's available to other people. Because if you're

530
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Speaker 1: motivated by helping people and you feel a lot of

531
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Speaker 1: value within yourself when you can be of service to others,

532
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Speaker 1: then maybe don't go work in an industry that requires

533
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Speaker 1: you to exploit people. That's not going to work for

534
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Speaker 1: you. You know. Maybe don't work in an industry where it's

535
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Speaker 1: sales based because that's not intrinsically helping people. You know,

536
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Speaker 1: Maybe work in an industry where you can, or maybe

537
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Speaker 1: don't work. Maybe be the person who's always there to

538
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Speaker 1: lend a helping hand, Be the person who offers to

539
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Speaker 1: walk somebody across the road, Be the person who offers

540
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Speaker 1: to help somebody move like that could be a source

541
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Speaker 1: of value and success for you. But yeah, it all matters.

542
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Speaker 3: A one hundred percent, And I think that's huge in

543
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Speaker 3: regards to your final step of like what you do

544
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Speaker 3: once you get there, because if you're chasing this thing

545
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Speaker 3: that realistically it's just because you know, society has put

546
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Speaker 3: this expectation on you. Let's just say, for example, to

547
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Speaker 3: buy a house. But in your true like nature and

548
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: who you are, and you know your alignment with who

549
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Speaker 3: you are, if that's not actually important, then once you

550
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Speaker 3: get to the end, it's not going to feel successful,

551
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Speaker 3: if that makes exactly. And I would also love to

552
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Speaker 3: chat about So number six is you know what you

553
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Speaker 3: do once you get it? And this is this is

554
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Speaker 3: a bit of a selfish crushing because I am the

555
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Speaker 3: worst for achieving something and then literally looking to the

556
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Speaker 3: next goal. And I am one hundred percent think I'm

557
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: a I'm a bit addicted, let's be honest, because I do.

558
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: I love I just love like doing things and putting

559
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: ideas out there and then seeing them, you know, come

560
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: to life. And I really love the hustle and the grind,

561
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Speaker 3: even though a lot of the time it burns me out.

562
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Speaker 3: So a huge thing that I'm actually trying to do

563
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Speaker 3: right now is like sit in the receivership of like

564
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Speaker 3: when you actually you know, finish something or a you know,

565
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Speaker 3: quote unquote, are successful of actually like sitting in that

566
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Speaker 3: and seeing what that feels like, because I think so

567
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Speaker 3: many times I just brush over it, and what are

568
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Speaker 3: your thoughts on that? And what's something that you do?

569
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Speaker 3: You know, sort of at that end point.

570
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm with you exactly. And for the longest time, I

571
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Speaker 1: think I had the same perspective you had, which is,

572
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: oh no, I recognize that I'm not taking the time

573
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Speaker 1: to relish in my achievements. What can I do? And

574
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Speaker 1: I think we have a similar mindset when we try

575
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Speaker 1: to logic and achieve our way out of like just

576
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Speaker 1: the logic of being like, oh no, I can't take

577
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Speaker 1: the time to settle into my achievement. Let me figure

578
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Speaker 1: it out, let me apply a solution, let me do this.

579
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Speaker 1: And that's like the antithesis of what you need to

580
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Speaker 1: be doing. It's almost like to really accept it or

581
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: to really celebrate it, you do nothing. You accept whatever

582
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Speaker 1: feeling is coming across and you recognize it like, oh okay,

583
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Speaker 1: that's how I'm feeling, then that's how I'm feeling. I

584
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: think a part of me recognized early on is that

585
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Speaker 1: I've set myself up in the way that like, I'm

586
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Speaker 1: not recognizing that I'm someone who likes to achieve for

587
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Speaker 1: achieving sake. And then it's not that I know I

588
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: can fix, it's the it's the reality of this situation

589
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm in. And so long as I keep putting myselves

590
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Speaker 1: in situations where I'm creating to create value to be

591
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Speaker 1: validated for that value, that it's going to be a

592
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Speaker 1: cyclical loop that I can't get out of unless I

593
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Speaker 1: cate value for me and not for the validation of others.

594
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Speaker 1: So in the last chapter we talk a lot about

595
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Speaker 1: retrospectively figuring out why you're even in this spot where

596
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: we now have to talk about success and what it

597
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: means to you and why you're achieving.

598
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: Did you scratch that itch?

599
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Or are we now literally back at square one when

600
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Speaker 1: we're going back to self analysis?

601
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Speaker 2: Who am I?

602
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Because I'm the person like like, why am I this

603
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: way that I can get to the end of a

604
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: book about succeeding and want to talk about what to

605
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: do now that I've succeeded. In reality, we should be done.

606
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, we did it, but no, the nature of

607
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: it is that, like we go back to square one,

608
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Speaker 1: and while we may not be looking for material success

609
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: this time, we might be looking for spiritual success. So

610
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: we start from scratch. Who am I? I'm a person

611
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: motivated by material things? Why is that the case? I

612
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it feels good, blah blah blah, and then

613
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, the cycle continues. So that's the spoiler that

614
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: the success experiment never.

615
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: I was just thinking then, I was like, I need

616
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Speaker 3: a journal because she's got a point one hundred percent that.

617
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Speaker 3: It is interesting though, because it's like very typical of

618
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: my personality to go, oh, well, now I'm you know,

619
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Speaker 3: aka successful. How should I feel? And I'm not feeling

620
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: that way?

621
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Speaker 2: So what do I do? Now? Yeah, that's really funny.

622
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: Have you done your niogram?

623
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Speaker 3: You skilled me there, puddon.

624
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: Have you done your eneagram?

625
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Speaker 3: I haven't?

626
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: Oh I really recommend what are you? Three?

627
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Like, I'm kind of okay, So niagram is it's what's

628
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: the three?

629
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Speaker 1: So basically, don't think of this as like the Mayers

630
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Speaker 1: Briggs because as much as I have utilized that tool

631
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Speaker 1: in the past. It really isn't sophisticated enough to really

632
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: understand the scope and depth of human behavior. The enneagram

633
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: is essentially it's not a typing system. It's a it's

634
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Speaker 1: like a self analysis tool where you can figure out,

635
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you're operating in a healthy form, how

636
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: are you being perceived? What type are you perceived as?

637
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: When you're healthily operating, what type are you perceived as?

638
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: And when you are in a state of you know,

639
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: deterioration or you're going with the flow or whatever, what

640
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: are you what are you being perceived as? So I'm

641
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Speaker 1: a three, which means that my archetype is an achiever.

642
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: I like to do things. I like to be validated

643
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: for doing things. I like a system. I like winning,

644
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I like succeeding. I like also I like people knowing

645
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Speaker 1: that I am these things. So it's it's I if

646
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Speaker 1: I achieve in a room and nobody sees did I achieve?

647
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Speaker 3: No, what's even the point?

648
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: What's the point.

649
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: So so that's that's what I know about myself. And

650
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Speaker 1: so it talks about you're giving like this fifty page

651
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: pdf about yourself, but it talks about the basic fears

652
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Speaker 1: of a three and the motivations of A three. And

653
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: what we've recognized with three achievers myself, is that achievers

654
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Speaker 1: don't just do it for this internal sense of gratitude,

655
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: because most achievers know they could sit in a room

656
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: and watch Netflix for six hours and not feel.

657
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Speaker 2: Bad about it.

658
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: But it's this idea of like, once you've set your

659
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Speaker 1: mind to achieving, now everybody needs to know. Everybody has

660
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: to validate it. Everybody has to know you're own track.

661
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Speaker 1: Everybody has to know that you're doing the right thing.

662
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Speaker 1: And it's great until you get to a point where

663
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the validation doesn't feel good anymore because you already know

664
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Speaker 1: you have the capacity. If you knew how to write,

665
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Speaker 1: if you knew how to run a business in twenty ten,

666
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Speaker 1: and you're still getting compliments in twenty twenty, well that's

667
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: not that exciting. You've been doing it, and so you

668
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: look for new ways to be validated, and then it

669
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: becomes a really empty transaction because you're not looking for real,

670
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: sustaining self celebration. You're looking for really empty indicators that

671
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: you're on the right track, but you already know it.

672
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Speaker 1: And so the thing about the enneagram is it puts

673
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Speaker 1: into perspective that.

674
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Speaker 2: It just puts.

675
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: It just helps you reflect yourself back at you and

676
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: helps you kind of recognize the areas where you might

677
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: be your own enemy of progress and you might be

678
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: the reason for you know, this internal dissatisfaction. So me

679
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: a three and achiever fascinated with success, writing a book

680
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: on how to succeed getting to step six and starting

681
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: it at step one now that the book is finished

682
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: is inherently my problem.

683
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: But here I am, Oh my god, I'm actually losing it.

684
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Speaker 3: Do you think I'm a three two? Because I'm kind

685
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: of feeling think you're a three?

686
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Threes everything recognize threes because I'm.

687
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, sorry, you go realistically if.

688
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't really work, the same with other types, like

689
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't think of a one season one and says

690
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: you're a one, I'm a one. But the three is

691
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: in particular. So much of what we do is this.

692
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily external validation, but it's externalizing our achievements.

693
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Threes don't achieve quietly, and it's not like we're going

694
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: to be sitting here being like, look at me, I'm succeeding,

695
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: but it's clear to others that we have achieved. You

696
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: know even if we said I don't feel successful, somebody

697
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: around us, whether it be a friend a stranger, will

698
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: validate that, No, you are in fact successful. So that's

699
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Speaker 1: why I think threes can find it easy to see

700
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Speaker 1: each other, Because if I'm looking at you and I

701
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: can recognize that you're successful, part of me is like, Okay,

702
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Speaker 1: am I mirroring?

703
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: Am I reflecting? Am I am? I? Like? Thirsty for that?

704
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: Do I want some of that? Do I want to

705
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: bask in it? You know?

706
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Speaker 1: It's very interesting, but I think it would If you're

707
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: already someone who's interested in self development, then that's a

708
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: natural extension that I think is far more beneficial than

709
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot of these very basic one dimensional typing systems are.

710
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Speaker 3: I absolutely love that one hundred percent. I love doing

711
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: tests in myself too. A bit of a sign I

712
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: would do that I did. Have you had your human design, ran, Yeah,

713
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: I have?

714
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Speaker 2: What are you? I'm a manifesting generator?

715
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Speaker 3: Fucking stop it? So am I though?

716
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Of course?

717
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's why I was like, I bet

718
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 3: she's a myth person generator. Well, I'm one hundred percent

719
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: of three too. I just know it. I feel like

720
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 3: I'm self aware enough but I will do it and

721
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: then confirm email or DM. Yeah, i'd love to know

722
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: you know, we're on point. I love that and I

723
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: think it is huge. Also what you said of like

724
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Speaker 3: being self aware enough about Yeah, like we were talking

725
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: about of what makes you you know, what tickles your

726
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: fancy and what lets you up, because that's the whole

727
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: thing of being successful. It's going to be so different

728
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Speaker 3: for everything. And just to finish off our confo about

729
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Speaker 3: the book, can you kind of define and I don't

730
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Speaker 3: know if you will, but what does success mean to you?

731
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Personally, success is the ability to like try, achieve and

733
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Speaker 1: sustain a form of contentment that works for you in

734
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Speaker 1: that time. And I think for me, once I developed

735
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: that own definition for myself, it allowed me to It

736
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: allowed me to create moments of success in anything I

737
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: was doing. Instead of saying the business, you know, the

738
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: money or whatever, it was like, No, I just need

739
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: to try and sustain any form of contentment and that

740
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: will be enough for me because I think what I

741
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: only realized through doing stuff is that I felt far

742
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: better doing far less, you know, like somehow spending eight

743
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: hours making a pair of pants for myself because I

744
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: wanted them can in some ways feel far greater than

745
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, running a really profitable business some days like

746
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: a who would have thought?

747
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: But now I know?

748
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is like so funny but so

749
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: so true and well, like you said, that's the whole

750
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: thing of like knowing yourself. So I love that definition

751
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: of success. I'm not gonna lie. I'll have to like

752
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: debunk it. I really listened to this episode because it

753
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: was like intricate, but I did, I did enjoy it.

754
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: What's yours definition? Putting me on.

755
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: The spot, I guess my this is this basic bitch.

756
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: I feel like a basic bitch now after your definition, bit,

757
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: I think my definition of success is like again, contentment

758
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: and happiness in the right now, so in the process

759
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: as well, Like I'm a huge person of enjoying the process,

760
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: not just the end result. So you don't get to

761
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: like what am I even doing? So that's why I

762
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: had very much created my life where and I never

763
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: used to be like that previously. I used to be

764
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: that person who lived for the weekend, lived for the holidays,

765
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 3: like that was you know, in my corporate box. But

766
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: now I very much like for me, success is if

767
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm finished a workday, and I'm like, you know, I've

768
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 3: enjoyed it and I'm not, you know, wishing away my life.

769
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: If that makes sense.

770
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Happiness is a tricky one for me.

771
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I steer clear of that one just in case. It

772
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: feels so fleeting that I'm kind of like, I'll do contentment.

773
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: And part of me thinks because of the industries that

774
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: we're in, you know, like I was saying to myself,

775
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: I don't when I was talking to my business partner

776
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: the other day and I was like, I don't want

777
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: to do things that don't feel good, like it doesn't

778
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: feel right, and she was like, I get it, and

779
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, fuck, I just sound

780
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: so entitled because we've been able to create this reality

781
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: where we can just do things that feel good because

782
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: it's the privilege we've been given from you know, being

783
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: an influencer, running your own business, whatever you want to

784
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: call it. But it doesn't necessarily translate outside of this

785
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: direct type of living, you know, Like I think about

786
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: all the other people who don't have the privilege of

787
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: just choosing happiness, because like everything around you is like, no,

788
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: you've got to choose stability, you've got to chose use security,

789
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: you've gotta choose consistency. You can't choose happiness, which is

790
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: so unfair.

791
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: But that's I literally you said that, and I was

792
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: resonating so much because I think sometimes and it's it's

793
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795
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796
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797
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: feel good to me. We're doing it this way, which

798
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: like really didn't make sense. So she's just looking at

799
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: me like, all right, fucking hell, we'll do it this way, Georgie.

800
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

801
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: But for me, that's how I run my business, where

802
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: it's like very much intuition, like does it feel good

803
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: to me? And it just works out. And I one

804
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: hundred percent do realize that comes with so much privilege

805
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: in regards to me living the life I do and whatnot.

806
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: I just thought that's so interesting that you said that,

807
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: because I just had that conversation.

808
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: I think.

809
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: I was like laughing. I think also though, if it's

810
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: not like it's not like every single workday, I'm like, fuck,

811
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: that was the best workday. Ever, Like, definitely, I have

812
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: a cool job, but I do some cool things, but

813
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,920
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814
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Speaker 3: I think for me, the definition of success is is

815
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: there some part of my day that I found joy?

816
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm a huge person on like my

817
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,759
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818
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820
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Speaker 3: Well let's switch gears and before we get onto your

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Speaker 3: But I just wanted to touch on social media because I

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Speaker 3: started following you a couple of years ago, and you

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Speaker 3: and I just wanted to know your thoughts, like how

864
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Speaker 3: do you feel about yourself? And I know you are

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Speaker 3: super self aware, how do you feel about yourself on

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Speaker 3: social media? Do you like you know the role you play?

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Speaker 3: And I know also you won that award for was

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Speaker 3: it social Media Staff from E.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Social Star of the Year twenty twenty from eo.

870
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: Oh, that's like yeah from either It's like so impressive

871
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: and like big congratulations, so well deserved, but yeah, how

872
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: do you feel about the whole social media thing?

873
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I could critique it for days and

874
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: days and days and pull it apart, but realize that

875
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: I benefit from the system that's so corrupt. Similar to you,

876
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that I just feel like, Gosh,

877
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: give me something. And that's not to say I want

878
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: people to be like educators, entertainers or whatever, but we

879
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: really have outgrown the need for like vapid influencers and celebrities.

880
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's not to say you overcorrect and become a

881
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: a lecturer, but there's something about the vapid nature of

882
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: celebrity that really fit our lifestyle a couple of years ago,

883
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: when we were living in delusions and life was just

884
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, life was a fairy tale. But like, we're

885
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: in a pandemic, where in an environment where we're acutely

886
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: aware of how systemic issues are impacting people.

887
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: We are aware of like the disparity.

888
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Between people who are able to live comfortably in people

889
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: whose governments don't even exist for their own benefit. So

890
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: when you log on the internet and you have someone

891
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, like I need your help.

892
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Do I do the red lipstick or do I do

893
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: the orange lipstick? Hey, everyone, I need your help. Do

894
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: you want me to wear this Apple watch band or

895
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: this Apple watch band, and it's like, I don't care.

896
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: So I I found it.

897
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: I used to find it really hard being an influencer

898
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, because I wanted so dearly

899
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: to fit the stereotype and to try and do it

900
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: the way it had been done, because that was getting

901
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: so much success. If you were a flat lay, bikini

902
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: shot fitness, a skewed influencer five years ago, you know,

903
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: healthy meals, outfit of the day, quote influencer, that really

904
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: was the space for you, hyper positive, all that shit.

905
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: That was so great, but it didn't really reflect the

906
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: conversation I was having. And I already had struggled with

907
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: feeling like a caricature of myself only because like being

908
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: a black Australian person, especially people only really know Black

909
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: American culture, not like African culture or Australian culture. So

910
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: I was constantly having to like fit this mold for people.

911
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, babes, I don't have an accent, I don't

912
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: know about American culture like that, I can't help you.

913
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: So I think I was just a little bit sensitive

914
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: to being perceived as somebody I was not that I

915
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: personally overcorrected and was like, they have to know everything

916
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: about me, they have to know that I'm being real, authentic.

917
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: I took a shit today, I'm on my period, like

918
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: this is what I think, this is what I believe, whatever.

919
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: And it was great because it created this standard that

920
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I could be myself completely online, which I love. But

921
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: it's also created this standard that people you know, feel

922
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: and to some extent, are entitled to my thoughts at

923
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: any given time, and my opinions and my wants and

924
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: my needs. And as much as I love to talk,

925
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to strangers all day like

926
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: I and not necessarily just strangers, but strangers I have

927
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: no context for you and I had can have this

928
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: conversation because there's a context for why we're doing it

929
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: and who we are. But a lot of the time

930
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm just giving us like things that

931
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: I hold dearly to myself, like my thoughts, for nothing,

932
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: and then being scrutinized or then having to justify them.

933
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to justify myself. So it's a tricky

934
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: landscape to exist in. Because I can recognize the benefits

935
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: of what I get from existing in this place but

936
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely reached a point where it's not

937
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: as valuable to me as it once was, in the

938
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: sense that there's a cap on how much you can

939
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: make based on how many follows you can have, based

940
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: on how much effort you want to put in and

941
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: how much time you want to spend on the internet,

942
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: and when you want to manage your social media in

943
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: a manageable way. It literally like it's not as beneficial,

944
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: Like you literally have to give everything you have in

945
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: order for it to be beneficial, and that's not worth

946
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: it for me. And that's where I'm at currently.

947
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm just taking it all in one hundred percent. I

948
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: agree with what you're saying in regards to it being tricky,

949
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: because there's this on one side of social media where

950
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: me and you both like get so much from it

951
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: and have that privilege of yeah, earning money from it

952
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 3: and having status and those sorts of things which would

953
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: have been such a catalyst and so many things that

954
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: you have then done, you know, after social media. So

955
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, it's not like it's a platform that

956
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: I hate or I can't stand. But I am also

957
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: loving that people are being more smart and are I

958
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: guess expecting more substance from influences, Like I think it

959
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: can kind of go almost too far sometimes, Like I

960
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: know recently, well just in twenty twenty, we had so

961
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: many political movements and we had a lot going on,

962
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: and I remember feeling some pressure of having to speak

963
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: about things that I really, you know, didn't have any

964
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: knowledge about, and if you took time to have knowledge

965
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: and to read, it was, oh, well you're you were, yeah, scrutinized.

966
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: So it can be almost this hard space to navigate,

967
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: but also this really positive space. But in saying that,

968
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: I do agree in regards, so I think we are

969
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 3: going into a better place where influencers also do have

970
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: more of a responsibility. Like I can't remember who I

971
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: was chatting to the other day, but it was almost

972
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: like I remember, the influencer space was like the wild

973
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: wild West. Literally they could do anything. Everything was believed,

974
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: whereas now people more Chloe, people do expect more substance,

975
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: like they do want to not just see an emoji

976
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: in a photo. Yeah, well some you know, some people.

977
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, still there's a lot of but yeah.

978
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And I am kind of liking that people

979
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: are going that way, and it to be completely honest

980
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: with you, like I used to be one of those

981
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: very one dimensional because yeah, like that's like or that's

982
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: all I kind of knew and all that was expected.

983
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: And that's honestly like where a lot of my account

984
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: grew because I was the back in the day, you know,

985
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: before and after girl with the fitness photo. And I

986
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: remember also, yeah, just I remember feeling like there was

987
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: this pivotal moment where I'm like, I can even keep

988
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: doing this one dimensional shit where I know in you know,

989
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: myself and who I am that it's like, I know

990
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm more than this. I know I have an actual voice.

991
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: Like who knows if anyone wants to hear it or not,

992
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: But for me, it was like I couldn't be on

993
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: the platform and not share my authentic self because it

994
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 3: was just to that you know, pivotal moment. So I

995
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 3: feel like we are kind of similar in that thing.

996
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: And I guess for the longest time, it's been influencers

997
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: dictating what the platform is and how it should go.

998
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Like influencers among them created trends, and then other influencers followed,

999
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: and then that created the tone for the rest of

1000
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: the Internet. Now it's consumers like, they set the tone.

1001
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: Who you give your likes to, who you engage with

1002
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: is who gets to be on top. It's algorithmic. It's

1003
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: not about preferences. It's literally about consumer and user behavior.

1004
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: And so I feel as though once audience members, consumers,

1005
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, recognize that they are

1006
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of the people who remain on top,

1007
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: suddenly they've got to be more discerning with who you

1008
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: choose to hate, watch, hate, follow, because on the algorithm's end,

1009
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: a watch is a watch, a follows a follow, a

1010
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: like is a like, A share as a share, And

1011
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: the more you do those things, the more it amplifies

1012
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: those content creators. And so if you want to see

1013
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: more enriching stuff on your feet, and I'm not talking

1014
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: just educational, like, if you want to see people who

1015
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: look like you, who think like you, who like what

1016
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: you like, then you have to validate those creators for existing.

1017
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: They might only have one thousand followers two thousand followers,

1018
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: but like, they need your like and follow more than

1019
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: a celebrity with sixteen million needs your like and follow.

1020
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 3: No, I love that, and that's huge. Like, I think

1021
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: we all kind of know by now, we get to

1022
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: choose what shows up in our feed, and we should

1023
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: be super picky because yeah, these are the people who

1024
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: you're you know, even by following these people and liking

1025
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 3: their stuff, you're enriching them, You're amplifying them. So it's

1026
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: just about being very conscious of that. And also I

1027
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: think like a huge thing too, is is realizing that

1028
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 3: the whole what you're saying about, you know, the hate

1029
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: follow like just kind of checking up on people and

1030
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, it's like you're still amplifying that person.

1031
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: And also just touching on one last thing, I love

1032
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: what you said about the consumer has a lot of

1033
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: the control now. Like I remember it was only maybe

1034
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago where I got a DM

1035
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: that was like Georgie, you're using like filters too much

1036
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: and I was likectually struggling through a bit of a

1037
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 3: you know, time I had a surgery and anyway whatnot.

1038
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: And I remember kind of taking that on board and

1039
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: being like, yeah, fuck, what am I doing sort of thing,

1040
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: And don't I'm not to say like I don't agree

1041
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: with followers dictating everything because again, it's my platform. It's

1042
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: so not my platform. It's MySpace I'm allowed to show

1043
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: up and do what I want. But I do love that,

1044
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, followers and consumers do have a bit of

1045
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: control and makes the influencer have somewhat of the responsibility too.

1046
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, all right.

1047
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: Flex, we are going to move on to our last

1048
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: little section of the pod. I've just looked and we've

1049
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: been going for a good fifteen minutes. So to wrap

1050
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 3: things up, I want to play your Flex game and

1051
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: I hope that's okay.

1052
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it quick.

1053
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: Side note, and so literally sitting in my car recording

1054
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: this and my laptop will die shortly, so if it

1055
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: happens to cut off, I hope you have like a

1056
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: nice area to like round out the podcast.

1057
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

1058
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: No, no, you're so okay, You're so okay. Will be

1059
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: super quick before we get into the games, do you

1060
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: want to just quickly explain to the audience your games

1061
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: and where they can find them, just in case you

1062
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: do get cut off.

1063
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I have conversation card games. You've got Flex

1064
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: Factory ones and Reflex card games. The Reflex ones are

1065
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: the most popular, and we call them critical thinking card games.

1066
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: And what you're meant to do is each of these

1067
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: set of cards has a question on them, and you're

1068
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: meant to answer it really honestly and truthfully, and then

1069
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: after you answer it, you're meant to unpack why you

1070
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: answered it that way, What influence is the way you think?

1071
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Why you think that way, And it's really fantastic just

1072
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: to get a better understanding of who you are as

1073
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: a person. Of course, you can play it as like

1074
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: a drinking game. Plenty of people do, but I'm assuming

1075
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, then you like self development

1076
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: and you like personal growth, and you like looking for

1077
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: really easy, attainable ways to be a better personal shortcut

1078
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: to growth vibes like if you want a real quick,

1079
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: easy shortcut to learn more about yourself, then play Reflex.

1080
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: And I absolutely love the game Flex with my husband

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Speaker 3: because he's not the biggest conversationist. So I will literally

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Speaker 3: bring the cards to like date nights and stuff so

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Speaker 3: we can have these like interesting convos. Yea, and like

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Speaker 3: we do this thing where every Sunday we do Sunday

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Speaker 3: morning coffee and I literally will bring cards so we

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Speaker 3: can have a chat and yeah, you unpack it, you

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: talk about it. I could talk underwater. So I love

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00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: the same. It's just it's and I've definitely played it

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Speaker 3: drinking too, and it's a lot of fun. Well, let's

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Speaker 3: get straight into it. To finish the pod, guys, we're

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Speaker 3: going to answer some Flex cards and then make sure

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Speaker 3: you go and check out Lilian Akaflex her cards everything.

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00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: I will link it all in the show notes. I'm

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Speaker 3: just doing a quick outro in case you're flat off

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Speaker 3: you guys, But Flex, when was the last time you

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Speaker 3: had pure fun?

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 1: If I reflect, and the first n it comes up

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Speaker 1: is Coachella, as bad as that sounds, and not because

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Speaker 1: the festival was anything amazing. But I went with some

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00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: of my closest and oldest friends and our objective was

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Speaker 1: just to do things that felt good. So, yes, we

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00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: might have on a few dangerous things, you know, we

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Speaker 1: might have gotten a few cars that we shouldn't have

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00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: gotten into. We might have stayed up too late, we

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00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: might have gotten up too early, whatever it was, but

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Speaker 1: our only objective was to do what feels good, follow

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Speaker 1: the fun. And it felt so nice to like not

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Speaker 1: have responsibilities. We felt like children with adult privileges. Everything

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Speaker 1: was funny, everything was silly, Everything was totally made with

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00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: pleasure in mind, and I think that's a really hard

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Speaker 1: feeling to replicate because real life isn't like a holiday

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Speaker 1: that you paid thousands of dollars to go on, and

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Speaker 1: it's really hard to replicate that sense of freedom when

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Speaker 1: you're literally stuck in your city or your hometown or

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Speaker 1: your suburb.

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Speaker 2: But pure fun that definitely comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was a good That was a bloody good answer.

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Speaker 3: My answer is like again being a basic bitch. But

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Speaker 3: literally three days ago or last week, I went to

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Speaker 3: Byron with Naked Harvest and it was like a little

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00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: retreat that we did for some of our influences, and

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Speaker 3: we did this our workout class called Hustle, which was

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: like pilates, And I'm not gonna lie. I'm usually that

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Speaker 3: person who's like, oh, pilates, because I'm more of like

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Speaker 3: a person I love strength training, I love weights, I

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00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: love like kind of hit, get it done, let's leave

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Speaker 3: bigger sort of movements. And this class they had like

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: these old R and B beats pumping. The chick was

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00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: she was like Spanish, she had this amazing accent and

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Speaker 3: she was so much fun and I don't know the

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Speaker 3: whole like every it was a private class too, so

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Speaker 3: it was just us girls and the vibe and everything.

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Speaker 3: I've literally never laughed and had so.

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Speaker 5: Much oh exercising, and like I literally went and went

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Speaker 5: in enjoy the exact same like hustle at the Gold

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Speaker 5: Coast where I live, because I was like, fuck, I

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Speaker 5: need this in my life.

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Speaker 3: Oh, because I haven't enjoyed excising since my I haven't

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Speaker 3: enjoyed exercising since my surgery last year and really like

1141
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: just felt in a bit of a funk and that

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Speaker 3: is like my happy place. So love that for me.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm doing the classes daily and loving life.

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Speaker 1: That's a good answer because now right next question, oh yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run on time.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, So this is going to be an interesting one.

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Speaker 3: Would you rather live without love or money?

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Speaker 1: I would rather live without love, I think for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I've thought about that question a lot, and

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01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: only because there are so many other ways you can

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Speaker 1: give and receive kindness that aren't loving. And we live

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people aren't loving to me,

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01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: but they treat me with fairness, They treat me with kindness,

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Speaker 1: and they treat me with compassion, and I think I

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01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: can live with that, I think I don't appreciate the

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01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: love I have in my life a lot, and so

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Speaker 1: there are some days that I don't recognize that what

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: could turn this day around is love and it's loving behavior.

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Speaker 1: But I just let like money and you know, buying

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Speaker 1: happiness motivate me.

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Speaker 2: So I think I.

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Speaker 1: Could actually physically live without love for longer than I

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01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: could live without money if you took all the money

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Speaker 1: I had away from me. Today, I can't pay my rent,

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Speaker 1: like where am I living?

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Speaker 2: Like I can't eat, like I can't like forage. It's done.

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Speaker 1: But I could really make adjustments around having an absence

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Speaker 1: of love in my life because there are other ways

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01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: that can mimic love without actually being love or giving love.

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Speaker 2: What about you go, go, oh.

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Speaker 3: My god, this is a fucking interesting card. And I,

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Speaker 3: oh my god. See it's hard because I've been with

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Speaker 3: my husband since I'm seventeen, so obviously I have so

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Speaker 3: much love for him and our life and whatnot. Been

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Speaker 3: saying that I really do not agree with the saying

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Speaker 3: that like you can't buy happiness. I really see that

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Speaker 3: since having more money and having yeah, like to be

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01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: completely honest, well, it can buy a lot of things

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Speaker 3: that make you feel good and make you feel loved.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so hard.

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01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: And you can have hair.

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, you can have tenderness, you can have security, you

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: can have comfort, you can have compliments. Without love, you

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: can still have good stuff. There's no money. Light.

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, I think I'd rather be like an independent

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01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: person who can feel secure and like actual live life,

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 3: because you cannot live life without money. So I'm confused, unfortunately.

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm yeah, I'm kind of with you on

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Speaker 3: that one. Bloody love these cards. As you can see, Guys,

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01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: they are so much fun. They would create conbos. Make

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Speaker 3: sure you get onto it. I really need to. I've

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: just got the I think the game one Flex, and

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Speaker 3: I really need to get on to the explicits.

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Speaker 1: I think I will send you every single game we have,

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01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: and I will give you a discount coach to share

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01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: with everyone, because everyone should have it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a blast.

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Speaker 3: Oh did you hear that? Guys? Can we make the

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: discount code rise and Conquer?

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01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: Yes we can, and we'll do twenty percent off.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you so much, Flex, We do appreciate it. Guys.

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01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: Please get onto these cards and also make sure you

1204
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 3: check out flex Insta or all her handles and stuff

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01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: will be in the show notes. I will put that

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 3: code in there, and honestly, yeah, you'll have so much fun.

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01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 3: It's like it's making me laughing thinking of the times

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 3: I've had my girlfriends doing these cards. So thank you

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: so much, Flex you, thank you delight on the show

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01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 3: and yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're the best. Let's talk to you.

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01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: So thanks Flex. I will chat to you later. And

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: rn C fam, the code is a Rise and concer.

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: I'll put everything in the show notes. Thank you so

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: much for listening. Thank you for listening for another R

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: and C episode. I really appreciate taking the time to

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01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: be here with me, and also for taking the time

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: for yourself. If you've found this episode helpful, it would

1219
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: be so amazing if you shared it on your stories

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: and tagged us, or simply just send it on to

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01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 3: a girlfriend or family member who would benefit from listening.

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01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: We are an independent podcast run by me and my

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Speaker 3: amazing podcast manager, so it would mean the world to

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01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: us if you left a review on the Apple podcast app. Also,

1225
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: if you're vibing this podcast and the concepts we're chatting about,

1226
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 3: and your craving community. Please come and join us over

1227
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: at the RNC podcast community Facebook group. Just search Rise

1228
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: and Conquer Podcast Community on Facebook and I will be

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Speaker 3: in there to chat to you. Until next time

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Speaker 1: You have to