1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 2: I finished watching ABC Exposed last night. It wrapped up 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: its Ghost Trained fire investigation. It's kind of curious that 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: where the only media outlet that sort of had any 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: interest in this, other than the ABC. 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 3: You know, I looked at the papers this morning. I 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: would have thought the revelation that Carro the journalists made 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 3: on our show yesterday and was on the program last night, 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: that the fire that killed those people, many of the 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: most of them kids, in the Lunar Park ghost train 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: was deliberately lit, was orchestrated by Abe Saffron, and the 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: links went all the way through the top lawmaker in 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Australia who was Lionel Murphy and our premier or in 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: your South Wales and our premier never ran. Why isn't 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: that a story this morning? 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Assistant Police Commissioner Bill Allen, who had his finger in 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: every pie Litel Murphy, the corrupt High Court judge. 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: And the policeman in charge of the whole investigation was 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: hugely corrupt. 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Why where's the out strangers? And fourteen Mates? Two small 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: boys and their dad they died in the fire and 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: there's some great interviews in this fourteen Mates for fourteen 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: four teammates. Yes, there are many extraordinary interviews from witnesses, 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 2: all of the witnesses, so a lot of other things 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: about it. There were thirty people on the go, thirty 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: seven people on the ghost train, not including the people 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: that perished. There were thirty witnesses that were called and 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: they all said that there was about seven of them 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 2: that said we saw a bunch of bikeis they're hanging 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: around the ride ten minutes before the ride caught on fire. 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: There's the mention of kerosene and matches, and all these 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: witnesses were verbaled and silenced from saying their story, and 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: all those leads were led cold and the victim's parents 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: and that's quite the heartbreaking thing one thing about it. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: And around that time in the seventies, there was a 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: lot of dodgy deals being done, but seven people did die. 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: And the heart breaking story especially with Mary Carroll. She 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: was the mother of Richard, who, alongside three of his 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: other mates, would perish in the fire. That night, Richard 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: and his mates were going to meet some girls at 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: the park, but for some reason those girls didn't show. 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: Years later, Mary would receive a call from one of 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: the girls that were supposed to be at Luna Park 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: that night. This is where Mary picks up the story. 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: She was obviously quite distressed when she rang me, distressed, anxious, 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: almost wanting to tell me or so forgive me. That 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: was the feeling I got. I was very distressed for her. 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: I said, what is it. You're troubled about something, and 49 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: she was trying to get her words out, and she said, 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: we were going to Luna Park with the boys and 51 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: we were stopped. My dad told everyone we couldn't go. 52 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: There was something happening at Luna Park that he was 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: scared for the girls to go. 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: That girl's father was Jack Rooklyn, who was a well 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: known associate of organized crime. 56 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: So other people's children died. 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, it's a nineteen seventies New South Wales. All 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: the deals were done in brand paper bags. 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: It's never too late to be outraged, or to be prosecuted, 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: or to find redemption to these poor families who've lived 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 3: with this. It is outrageous. 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's gamenation